#arpnetworks 2013-12-12,Thu

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ant	up_the_irons: thanks for the insight btw..."signon: Fri Oct 18 14:41:59 2013" <- that's how long freenode has been stable for me (i'm connected to calvino via ipv6)	[00:22]
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plett	I'm on leguin.freenode.net via IPv6 and whois says "signon: Thu Nov 7 12:17:15 2013"	[01:18]
up_the_irons	how do you find the signon timestamp?	[01:23]
ant	i did /whois ant ant	[01:23]
plett	I just did /whois plett	[01:25]
CaZe	I wonder what's wrong with mine.	[01:25]
plett	09:24 [freenode] -!- idle : 0 days 0 hours 6 mins 41 secs [signon: Thu Nov 7 12:17:15 2013]	[01:25]
ant	oh..right the second ant wasn't necessary	[01:26]
up_the_irons	signon at: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 23:16:45 lol my node sucks "holmes"	[01:26]
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SpaceDum1	Since you ask about your self you only have to specify the nickname once. Twice for asking about another user and their server..	[02:24]
mercutio	is it any word as the second word? cos i've always used servername before?	[02:25]
SpaceDum1	Otherwise it will just give you the information about the client that the server you are connected too have.	[02:25]
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mercutio	doing /whois spacedump and /whois spacedump spacedump returns the same info for me and it tells your idle time but not signon time	[02:26]
SpaceDump	Hm. :] Perhaps some sort of feature in your client that always asks using the nick twice then. Only the server holding the client knows about the idle time.	[02:27]
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hazardous	signon timestamp shows for anyone on your server if ytou're both on leguin or wolfe or whatever if you want a timestamp for another server, need to repeat the name	[03:51]
SpaceDump	Excactly. That information is only held by the server that the user is connected to.	[04:00]
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CaZe	Great, now that you have that figured out, you can fix my problem. :D	[04:25]
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hazardous	happy holidays everyone	[05:24]
SpaceDump	CaZe: Choose a better server? :p	[05:29]
CaZe	I've been on asimov, calvino, morgan, wolfe, hobana, and leguin. Within the past 24 hours.	[05:33]
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SpaceDump	I've never felt that this network was stable... :p	[07:16]
m0unds	haha	[07:28]
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SpaceDump	I'm mostly on ircnet. Very stable. :]	[07:59]
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mercutio	i dunn owhy freenode is so unstable isn't it meant to be for programmers and open source projects and linux and so on if it was some warez network or something i'd understand i assume it must be due to ddos attacks, but i dunno who would wnat to ddos freenode	[13:47]
brycec	IRC networks are an easy target. For nubs cutting their teeth on such attacks, a big, well-known network is prime.	[13:52]
m0unds	well, it's not /just/ ddos or targeted attacks that cause instability lots of different varying quality hardware, networks, etc	[13:57]
mercutio	maybe too many servers	[13:57]
m0unds	yeah, probably plays a role too i don't particularly like freenode	[13:58]
CaZe	But it appears that I'm the only one with the problem.	[13:58]
m0unds	womp womp	[13:59]
mercutio	it's only the instabliity that bothers me and only slightly my client auto reconnects	[13:59]
m0unds	i disable /part /quit or disco msgs in every channel i'm in so i just never see people leave hahaha	[13:59]
mercutio	haha for some reason on arp channel i see disconnects all the time	[13:59]
CaZe	I do too.	[14:00]
mercutio	like ap age of them i think it just means people need to talk more	[14:00]
m0unds	yeah, haha	[14:00]
mercutio	like this channel has no-one talking for 12 hours sometimes i think	[14:00]
m0unds	oh, i guess i suppress join msgs too only way i can tell CaZe is having issues is this : 14:45 -!- CaZe` is now known as CaZe hahaha	[14:00]
mercutio	oh caze is high on the list of reconnects heh	[14:00]
CaZe	What's my quit reason, btw?	[14:00]
mercutio	09:52:57 <-- ? CaZe (~caze@2607:f2f8:a678::2) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) _ ant 09:53:11 --> ? CaZe` (~caze@2607:f2f8:a678::2) has joined #arpnetworks that was from like 25 hours ago	[14:01]
CaZe	Is it ping out?	[14:01]
mercutio	a whole lot of crap like that	[14:01]
CaZe	Hmm.	[14:01]
m0unds	which client do you use CaZe?	[14:01]
CaZe	irssi	[14:01]
mercutio	the _ant is just cos he's in the online list btw	[14:01]
m0unds	hm i'm using irssi too, but i'm not having any issues	[14:01]
mercutio	i think it's cos he's using ipv6	[14:01]
m0unds	i am too	[14:01]
mercutio	oh	[14:01]
m0unds	haha, yeah that's why it's weird	[14:01]
mercutio	openbsd used to have ethernet timeouts	[14:02]
m0unds	you're on the same version of irssi as me	[14:02]
mercutio	maybe it's something like that	[14:02]
m0unds	yeah, maybe	[14:02]
CaZe	Yeah, it's fine when I switch over to ipv4.	[14:03]
mercutio	oh	[14:03]
CaZe	Oh, wait.	[14:03]
mercutio	what OS are you using caze?	[14:03]
CaZe	lag_max_before_disconnect = 30sec Maybe I should set that higher.	[14:03]
m0unds	hm	[14:03]
CaZe	OpenBSD	[14:03]
mercutio	shouldn't need to 30 seconds is ages what version of openbsd?	[14:03]
m0unds	lag_max_before_disconnect = 5min	[14:04]
CaZe	SOme old snapshot.	[14:04]
m0unds	mine's default 5min is ridiculously high	[14:04]
mercutio	do you get the e1000g0 timeouts? or em0 or whatever it is	[14:04]
lteo	i sometimes wonder if ipv6 privacy addresses will cause irssi to drop	[14:04]
mercutio	e1000g0 is what solaris calls it heh	[14:04]
CaZe	OpenBSD 5.3-current (GENERIC) #181: Sat Jun 8 11:55:10 MDT 2013	[14:04]
mercutio	hmm i'm using something aqround there too	[14:05]
CaZe	No, I disabled mpbios.	[14:05]
mercutio	wow I'm on Jun 3 self compiled kernel	[14:05]
lteo	mercutio: are you talking about these timeouts? "em0: watchdog timeout -- resetting"	[14:05]
mercutio	i sohuld update sometime lteo: yeh sounds aboutr right i don't have any in my dmesg to compare to though	[14:05]
CaZe	Yes, that's the old mpbios problem.	[14:06]
lteo	i still get those timeouts even on recent snapshots	[14:06]
mercutio	lteo: weird i think i did something or other to fix it maybe i adjusted timeouts in em driver god knows :) i remember it annoyed me before	[14:06]
CaZe	Heh. User Kernel Config UKC> disable mpbios 53 mpbios0 disabled I have that in my dmesg. That should be three lines though.	[14:07]
lteo	i disabled mpbios as well, otherwise openbsd won't even boot ;)	[14:08]
avj	yeah, i also still have to disable mpbios to even get my openbsd vm to boot here	[14:08]
mercutio	i can't see anything obvious if_em.h:#define EM_TX_TIMEOUT 1 /* set to 5 seconds */ i wonder if that's default i lowered timeout of transmit	[14:09]
lteo	default is: #define EM_TX_TIMEOUT 5 /* set to 5 seconds */	[14:10]
mercutio	not raised it hmm maybe i was hoping it'd trigger easier if it was broken still	[14:10]
lteo	as far as i can tell though, the watchdog timeout timestamps don't coincide with the times my irssi drops	[14:11]
mercutio	i also lowered EM_MAX_TXD hmm	[14:11]
CaZe	I was talking with sthen@ awhile back.	[14:13]
mercutio	someone should look into why those timesouts happen properly.	[14:13]
CaZe	A different interrupt table is used depending on if mpbios is enabled or not.	[14:13]
mercutio	it used to hapepn to me heaps	[14:14]
CaZe	Let me grep my logs.	[14:16]
mercutio	11:16AM up 192 days, 22:41, 1 user, load averages: 0.14, 0.18, 0.16 i haven't had it once and logs fit in dmesg	[14:16]
CaZe	02/16/11 13:04:12 <toddf> it tracks back to the bios itself providing a bogus mpbios table with a single cpu	[14:17]
mercutio	clock: unknown CMOS layout is my last message	[14:17]
CaZe	02/16/11 13:04:24 <toddf> if that were fixed, 'disable mpbios' would be a thing of the past in kvm 02/16/11 13:04:42 <toddf> now for bonus points, arpnetworks is interested in a newer bios without this restriction, and infact there exists such an animal 02/16/11 13:05:02 <toddf> problem however is that newer biosen don't have the 'hit f12 for booting off a cdrom' which arpnetworks considers crutial for customers	[14:17]
mercutio	you don't need disable mpbios on the new node	[14:17]
CaZe	01/13/12 17:36:03 <sthen> there are different interrupt tables depending on whether mpbios is used Well, it's not really a big deal.	[14:17]
mercutio	i've had so many cut and paste problems with linux recently grr i swear i've had cut and paste issues for over 10 years and it's still not fixed :/	[14:19]
mike-burns	It's getting worse. There's no respect for primary & secondary buffers anymore.	[14:28]
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toddf	whats even worse than that is stooopid webkit pwsafe has a nice little feature put something into the clipboard, once it's pasted once, remove it webkit reads the clipboard 3 times trying to figure out which encoding it should use for a pasted event	[14:44]
mike-burns	Hah. Of course it does. Kids these days.	[14:45]
toddf	because nobody ever thought you could read data off the clipboard, then parse it three different ways, you have to call methods which directly read the clipboard in three different ways	[14:46]
mike-burns	I find browsers to be the biggest UI offenders. Most people full-screen their browser and consider it their desktop environment, which means that those of us who don't just aren't cared for.	[14:46]
m0unds	i don't know many people who use full screen browsers, tbh	[14:48]
ant	i don't know many who don't...	[14:49]
mike-burns	Designers measure browsers using terms like "screen size", not "window size".	[14:49]
toddf	when you can emulate a pc in a web browser I think we've reached the point of diminishing returns in native apps	[14:50]
avj	the constant fullscreen browser seems to be a windows thing	[14:50]
m0unds	and smart designers make efficient use of available space	[14:50]
mike-burns	Definitely a Windows thing, but I've been seeing it more and more on OS X.	[14:50]
lteo	i think it started with os x lion	[14:51]
mike-burns	The Epiphany browser starts maximized by default. The Xombrero browser is targeting us, but it hasn't seen any commits for a month.	[14:51]
brycec	I usually maximize my browser... But that's because A) My monitors are relatively small. B) It's the only thing I need to focus on... or I put a console on my second (3rd, 4th, etc) monitor Also, using a tiling WM lends itself well to full-screen everything	[14:53]
m0unds	the only hting i regularly run in fullscreen is the incident tracker i use at work, and that's only because the ui doesn't scale at all	[14:54]
toddf	typically I'm interacting with the browser as a reference for what I'm working on or copying data to/from the browser for interacting with a remote site. this pretty much means I'll be having some terms to look at with my browser, kindof requiring the browser not to be full screen lest the terms and the browser play footsy on who is gonna get the z order	[14:55]
mike-burns	Yeah I do what toddf does. The browser is a very unimportant and tiny part of my computing life.	[14:56]
CaZe	I have click to raise, and mouse gets focus.	[14:56]
staticsafe	i always have a browser open and am constantly using it, I also have Putty open all the time	[14:56]
CaZe	Pretty handy for situations like that.	[14:57]
mike-burns	That's another thing Kids These Days don't appreciate enough: alternative window focus/raise strategies.	[14:57]
m0unds	staticsafe: same here	[14:58]
staticsafe	i suppose I can be classified under the Kids These Days category	[14:58]
mike-burns	When I was your age I wrote my XF86Conf by hand, and I liked it!	[14:59]
m0unds	haha	[14:59]
CaZe	I remember going to the computer lab to print out the Linux XFree86 HOWTO.	[14:59]
staticsafe	what is XF86Conf?	[14:59]
m0unds	haha	[14:59]
CaZe	It was somethign like 80 pages.	[14:59]
staticsafe	The configuration file XF86Config of the XFree86 project is used by the X server to set necessary configuration parameters. oic yea its not necessary anymore	[15:00]
CaZe	Back in the day, when the chances of X just working at a decent resolution after an install were pretty slim. Like, you'd be lucky to get 640x480.	[15:00]
mike-burns	I was always worried about my monitor catching fire. The HOWTO warned me about it!	[15:01]
CaZe	Or emitting x-rays.	[15:01]
staticsafe	CRTs :D	[15:01]
m0unds	wee	[15:06]
brycec	lol email, tickets, and reference stuff are a very large part of my job, hence the browser open fullscreen 24/7. The other "half" of my job is sysadmin and code, so I always have at least one terminal open on every workspace	[15:11]
toddf	some of us don't use the browser to access our notes on how to do things nor do we use a browser for email	[15:20]
brycec	I know. I'm just explaining my usage scenario and reason(s) for using it fullscreen	[15:20]
m0unds	...	[15:25]
toddf	I played with the chromebook a little bit in the store once. It certainly caters to your use case. suggesting you're not the only one ;-(	[15:26]
brycec	lol	[15:28]
plett	For me, it depends on the size of the monitor Here on my laptop, I run a browser full screen At work, where I have a 30" monitor, it's only ever half or a third of the screen In both cases the browser window is somewhere approximately a thousand pixels wide And yes, tiling window manager in both places	[15:28]
mike-burns	Looks like my browser is 847px wide.	[15:31]
toddf	xombrero -> default_zoom_level=0.65 -> 640pxx480px	[15:35]
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mercutio	this channel is off-topic so much :)	[18:05]
m0unds	haha, there's a topic? get stuff set up and it just kinda hums along, moreso than any provider i've used	[18:06]
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m0unds	whoa	[18:41]
mercutio	yeh i haven't really had many problems	[18:46]
m0unds	only issue i've had was nlayer's fault for being lame	[18:47]
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jbourne	Hello to room!	[19:31]
staticsafe	hi	[19:41]
jbourne	Hello staticsafe :)	[19:51]
m0unds	exciting night	[20:01]
jbourne	indeed	[20:02]
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CaZe	Over six hours, and no disconnect. I've seen my lag go over 30s a few times.	[20:21]
m0unds	cool, so raising that seems to have stabilized it?	[20:26]
CaZe	Yell, it just tolerates a larger lag.	[20:27]
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CaZe	Spoke too soon.	[21:29]
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brycec	lol	[22:22]
up_the_irons	nothing wrong with off topic. what else would we talk about? ;)	[22:35]
mnathani	its not like our services are not rock solid that we have people complaining about outages (That was meant as a compliment)	[22:36]
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up_the_irons	:)	[22:55]
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up_the_irons	mnathani : appreciated :) up_the_irons wanders off	[23:32]
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