#arpnetworks 2013-12-12,Thu

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antup_the_irons: thanks for the insight
btw..."signon: Fri Oct 18 14:41:59 2013" <- that's how long freenode has been stable for me (i'm connected to calvino via ipv6)
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plettI'm on leguin.freenode.net via IPv6 and whois says "signon: Thu Nov 7 12:17:15 2013" [01:18]
up_the_ironshow do you find the signon timestamp? [01:23]
anti did /whois ant ant [01:23]
plettI just did /whois plett [01:25]
CaZeI wonder what's wrong with mine. [01:25]
plett09:24 [freenode] -!- idle : 0 days 0 hours 6 mins 41 secs [signon: Thu Nov 7 12:17:15 2013] [01:25]
antoh..right the second ant wasn't necessary [01:26]
up_the_ironssignon at: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 23:16:45
lol my node sucks
"holmes"
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SpaceDum1Since you ask about your self you only have to specify the nickname once.
Twice for asking about another user and their server..
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mercutiois it any word as the second word?
cos i've always used servername before?
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SpaceDum1Otherwise it will just give you the information about the client that the server you are connected too have. [02:25]
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mercutiodoing /whois spacedump and /whois spacedump spacedump returns the same info for me
and it tells your idle time but not signon time
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SpaceDumpHm. :]
Perhaps some sort of feature in your client that always asks using the nick twice then.
Only the server holding the client knows about the idle time.
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hazardoussignon timestamp
shows for anyone on your server
if ytou're both on leguin or wolfe or whatever
if you want a timestamp for another server, need to repeat the name
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SpaceDumpExcactly.
That information is only held by the server that the user is connected to.
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CaZeGreat, now that you have that figured out, you can fix my problem. :D [04:25]
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hazardoushappy holidays everyone [05:24]
SpaceDumpCaZe: Choose a better server? :p [05:29]
CaZeI've been on asimov, calvino, morgan, wolfe, hobana, and leguin.
Within the past 24 hours.
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SpaceDumpI've never felt that this network was stable... :p [07:16]
m0undshaha [07:28]
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SpaceDumpI'm mostly on ircnet. Very stable. :] [07:59]
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mercutioi dunn owhy freenode is so unstable
isn't it meant to be for programmers and open source projects and linux and so on
if it was some warez network or something i'd understand
i assume it must be due to ddos attacks, but i dunno who would wnat to ddos freenode
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brycecIRC networks are an easy target. For nubs cutting their teeth on such attacks, a big, well-known network is prime. [13:52]
m0undswell, it's not /just/ ddos or targeted attacks that cause instability
lots of different varying quality hardware, networks, etc
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mercutiomaybe too many servers [13:57]
m0undsyeah, probably plays a role too
i don't particularly like freenode
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CaZeBut it appears that I'm the only one with the problem. [13:58]
m0undswomp womp [13:59]
mercutioit's only the instabliity that bothers me
and only slightly
my client auto reconnects
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m0undsi disable /part /quit or disco msgs in every channel i'm in
so i just never see people leave
hahaha
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mercutiohaha
for some reason on arp channel i see disconnects all the time
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CaZeI do too. [14:00]
mercutiolike ap age of them
i think it just means people need to talk more
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m0undsyeah, haha [14:00]
mercutiolike this channel has no-one talking for 12 hours sometimes i think [14:00]
m0undsoh, i guess i suppress join msgs too
only way i can tell CaZe is having issues is this : 14:45 -!- CaZe` is now known as CaZe
hahaha
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mercutiooh caze is high on the list of reconnects heh [14:00]
CaZeWhat's my quit reason, btw? [14:00]
mercutio09:52:57 <-- ? CaZe (~caze@2607:f2f8:a678::2) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) _ ant
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that was from like 25 hours ago
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CaZeIs it ping out? [14:01]
mercutioa whole lot of crap like that [14:01]
CaZeHmm. [14:01]
m0undswhich client do you use CaZe? [14:01]
CaZeirssi [14:01]
mercutiothe _ant is just cos he's in the online list btw [14:01]
m0undshm
i'm using irssi too, but i'm not having any issues
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mercutioi think it's cos he's using ipv6 [14:01]
m0undsi am too [14:01]
mercutiooh [14:01]
m0undshaha, yeah
that's why it's weird
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mercutioopenbsd used to have ethernet timeouts [14:02]
m0undsyou're on the same version of irssi as me [14:02]
mercutiomaybe it's something like that [14:02]
m0undsyeah, maybe [14:02]
CaZeYeah, it's fine when I switch over to ipv4. [14:03]
mercutiooh [14:03]
CaZeOh, wait. [14:03]
mercutiowhat OS are you using caze? [14:03]
CaZelag_max_before_disconnect = 30sec
Maybe I should set that higher.
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m0undshm [14:03]
CaZeOpenBSD [14:03]
mercutioshouldn't need to
30 seconds is ages
what version of openbsd?
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m0undslag_max_before_disconnect = 5min [14:04]
CaZeSOme old snapshot. [14:04]
m0undsmine's default
5min is ridiculously high
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mercutiodo you get the e1000g0 timeouts?
or em0
or whatever it is
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lteoi sometimes wonder if ipv6 privacy addresses will cause irssi to drop [14:04]
mercutioe1000g0 is what solaris calls it heh [14:04]
CaZeOpenBSD 5.3-current (GENERIC) #181: Sat Jun 8 11:55:10 MDT 2013 [14:04]
mercutiohmm i'm using something aqround there too [14:05]
CaZeNo, I disabled mpbios. [14:05]
mercutiowow
I'm on Jun 3
self compiled kernel
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lteomercutio: are you talking about these timeouts? "em0: watchdog timeout -- resetting" [14:05]
mercutioi sohuld update sometime
lteo: yeh
sounds aboutr right
i don't have any in my dmesg to compare to though
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CaZeYes, that's the old mpbios problem. [14:06]
lteoi still get those timeouts even on recent snapshots [14:06]
mercutiolteo: weird
i think i did something or other
to fix it
maybe i adjusted timeouts in em driver
god knows :)
i remember it annoyed me before
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CaZeHeh.
User Kernel Config
UKC> disable mpbios 53 mpbios0 disabled
I have that in my dmesg.
That should be three lines though.
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lteoi disabled mpbios as well, otherwise openbsd won't even boot ;) [14:08]
avjyeah, i also still have to disable mpbios to even get my openbsd vm to boot here [14:08]
mercutioi can't see anything obvious
if_em.h:#define EM_TX_TIMEOUT 1 /* set to 5 seconds */
i wonder if that's default
i lowered timeout of transmit
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lteodefault is:
#define EM_TX_TIMEOUT 5 /* set to 5 seconds */
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mercutionot raised it
hmm
maybe i was hoping it'd trigger easier if it was broken still
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lteoas far as i can tell though, the watchdog timeout timestamps don't coincide with the times my irssi drops [14:11]
mercutioi also lowered EM_MAX_TXD
hmm
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CaZeI was talking with sthen@ awhile back. [14:13]
mercutiosomeone should look into why those timesouts happen properly. [14:13]
CaZeA different interrupt table is used depending on if mpbios is enabled or not. [14:13]
mercutioit used to hapepn to me heaps [14:14]
CaZeLet me grep my logs. [14:16]
mercutio11:16AM up 192 days, 22:41, 1 user, load averages: 0.14, 0.18, 0.16
i haven't had it once
and logs fit in dmesg
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CaZe02/16/11 13:04:12 <toddf> it tracks back to the bios itself providing a bogus mpbios table with a single cpu [14:17]
mercutioclock: unknown CMOS layout
is my last message
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CaZe02/16/11 13:04:24 <toddf> if that were fixed, 'disable mpbios' would be a thing of the past in kvm
02/16/11 13:04:42 <toddf> now for bonus points, arpnetworks is interested in a newer bios without this restriction, and infact there exists such an animal
02/16/11 13:05:02 <toddf> problem however is that newer biosen don't have the 'hit f12 for booting off a cdrom' which arpnetworks considers crutial for customers
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mercutioyou don't need disable mpbios on the new node [14:17]
CaZe01/13/12 17:36:03 <sthen> there are different interrupt tables depending on whether mpbios is used
Well, it's not really a big deal.
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mercutioi've had so many cut and paste problems with linux recently
grr
i swear i've had cut and paste issues for over 10 years
and it's still not fixed :/
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mike-burnsIt's getting worse.
There's no respect for primary & secondary buffers anymore.
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toddfwhats even worse than that
is stooopid webkit
pwsafe has a nice little feature
put something into the clipboard, once it's pasted once, remove it
webkit reads the clipboard 3 times trying to figure out which encoding it should use for a pasted event
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mike-burnsHah. Of course it does.
Kids these days.
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toddfbecause nobody ever thought you could read data off the clipboard, then parse it three different ways, you have to call methods which directly read the clipboard in three different ways [14:46]
mike-burnsI find browsers to be the biggest UI offenders.
Most people full-screen their browser and consider it their desktop environment, which means that those of us who don't just aren't cared for.
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m0undsi don't know many people who use full screen browsers, tbh [14:48]
anti don't know many who don't... [14:49]
mike-burnsDesigners measure browsers using terms like "screen size", not "window size". [14:49]
toddfwhen you can emulate a pc in a web browser I think we've reached the point of diminishing returns in native apps [14:50]
avjthe constant fullscreen browser seems to be a windows thing [14:50]
m0undsand smart designers make efficient use of available space [14:50]
mike-burnsDefinitely a Windows thing, but I've been seeing it more and more on OS X. [14:50]
lteoi think it started with os x lion [14:51]
mike-burnsThe Epiphany browser starts maximized by default.
The Xombrero browser is targeting us, but it hasn't seen any commits for a month.
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brycecI usually maximize my browser... But that's because A) My monitors are relatively small. B) It's the only thing I need to focus on... or I put a console on my second (3rd, 4th, etc) monitor
Also, using a tiling WM lends itself well to full-screen everything
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m0undsthe only hting i regularly run in fullscreen is the incident tracker i use at work, and that's only because the ui doesn't scale at all [14:54]
toddftypically I'm interacting with the browser as a reference for what I'm working on or copying data to/from the browser for interacting with a remote site. this pretty much means I'll be having some terms to look at with my browser, kindof requiring the browser not to be full screen lest the terms and the browser play footsy on who is gonna get the z order [14:55]
mike-burnsYeah I do what toddf does. The browser is a very unimportant and tiny part of my computing life. [14:56]
CaZeI have click to raise, and mouse gets focus. [14:56]
staticsafei always have a browser open and am constantly using it, I also have Putty open all the time [14:56]
CaZePretty handy for situations like that. [14:57]
mike-burnsThat's another thing Kids These Days don't appreciate enough: alternative window focus/raise strategies. [14:57]
m0undsstaticsafe: same here [14:58]
staticsafei suppose I can be classified under the Kids These Days category [14:58]
mike-burnsWhen I was your age I wrote my XF86Conf by hand, and I liked it! [14:59]
m0undshaha [14:59]
CaZeI remember going to the computer lab to print out the Linux XFree86 HOWTO. [14:59]
staticsafewhat is XF86Conf? [14:59]
m0undshaha [14:59]
CaZeIt was somethign like 80 pages. [14:59]
staticsafeThe configuration file XF86Config of the XFree86 project is used by the X server to set necessary configuration parameters.
oic
yea its not necessary anymore
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CaZeBack in the day, when the chances of X just working at a decent resolution after an install were pretty slim.
Like, you'd be lucky to get 640x480.
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mike-burnsI was always worried about my monitor catching fire. The HOWTO warned me about it! [15:01]
CaZeOr emitting x-rays. [15:01]
staticsafeCRTs :D [15:01]
m0undswee [15:06]
bryceclol
email, tickets, and reference stuff are a very large part of my job, hence the browser open fullscreen 24/7. The other "half" of my job is sysadmin and code, so I always have at least one terminal open on every workspace
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toddfsome of us don't use the browser to access our notes on how to do things nor do we use a browser for email [15:20]
brycecI know. I'm just explaining my usage scenario and reason(s) for using it fullscreen [15:20]
m0unds... [15:25]
toddfI played with the chromebook a little bit in the store once. It certainly caters to your use case. suggesting you're not the only one ;-( [15:26]
bryceclol [15:28]
plettFor me, it depends on the size of the monitor
Here on my laptop, I run a browser full screen
At work, where I have a 30" monitor, it's only ever half or a third of the screen
In both cases the browser window is somewhere approximately a thousand pixels wide
And yes, tiling window manager in both places
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mike-burnsLooks like my browser is 847px wide. [15:31]
toddfxombrero -> default_zoom_level=0.65 -> 640pxx480px [15:35]
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mercutiothis channel is off-topic so much :) [18:05]
m0undshaha, there's a topic?
get stuff set up and it just kinda hums along, moreso than any provider i've used
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m0undswhoa [18:41]
mercutioyeh i haven't really had many problems [18:46]
m0undsonly issue i've had was nlayer's fault for being lame [18:47]
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jbourneHello to room! [19:31]
staticsafehi [19:41]
jbourneHello staticsafe :) [19:51]
m0undsexciting night [20:01]
jbourneindeed [20:02]
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CaZeOver six hours, and no disconnect.
I've seen my lag go over 30s a few times.
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m0undscool, so raising that seems to have stabilized it? [20:26]
CaZeYell, it just tolerates a larger lag. [20:27]
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CaZeSpoke too soon. [21:29]
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bryceclol [22:22]
up_the_ironsnothing wrong with off topic. what else would we talk about? ;) [22:35]
mnathaniits not like our services are not rock solid that we have people complaining about outages
(That was meant as a compliment)
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up_the_irons:) [22:55]
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up_the_ironsmnathani : appreciated :)
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