| ↑back Search ←Prev date Next date→ Show only urls | (Click on time to select a line by its url) |
| Who | What | When |
|---|---|---|
| mike-burns | Every time I have to install GNU Bash for some program it makes me think: this developer could have picked any programming language, with any amount of expressivity and capability, and they picked GNU Bash? | [01:55] |
| up_the_irons | I tend to pick bash for simple tasks. It's always installed everywhere, so I don't need to worry about it being a dependency. | [01:57] |
| mike-burns | I don't have it installed on anything, so I tend not to use it. | [02:00] |
| up_the_irons | i c | [02:08] |
| mercutio | i don't install bash on openbsd | [02:09] |
| ....... (idle for 34mn) | ||
| *** | plett_ is now known as plett | [02:43] |
| ................. (idle for 1h20mn) | ||
| mhoran_ | Also not installed on FreeBSD. | [04:03] |
| *** | mhoran_ is now known as mhoran | [04:04] |
| mercutio | i think lots of ports depend on it in freebsd? | [04:04] |
| mhoran | I guess I don't have any of those ports installed. | [04:05] |
| mercutio | a lot of stuff needs gmake
bloody gnu | [04:05] |
| mhoran | [mhoran@friction] ~% bash
zsh: correct 'bash' to 'hash' [nyae]? n | [04:05] |
| mercutio | hahaha
you don't need hash i installed zsh on opensolaris | [04:05] |
| mhoran | I also uninstall gmake every time a port installs it for build, and generally use packages so long as they don't pull X11 or something else insane. | [04:06] |
| ............ (idle for 58mn) | ||
| mike-burns | Yeah same. Switching to packages has helped remove any GNU dependencies. | [05:04] |
| .................. (idle for 1h26mn) | ||
| *** | qbit has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5) | [06:30] |
| ...... (idle for 25mn) | ||
| qbit has joined #arpnetworks | [06:55] | |
| .......................... (idle for 2h9mn) | ||
| mkb has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) | [09:04] | |
| mkb has joined #arpnetworks | [09:14] | |
| .... (idle for 16mn) | ||
| brycec | I've come across a number of scripts that "relied on" bash only as far as calling it in the shabang, but didn't actually utilize bash-isms, the developer just didn't know any better to use /bin/sh :( | [09:30] |
| mike-burns | Or scripts with bash in the shebang but only so that they can declare functions using the GNU Bash syntax. | [09:31] |
| .................................. (idle for 2h47mn) | ||
| *** | neish_ is now known as neish | [12:18] |
| ........................................................... (idle for 4h53mn) | ||
| nathani | https://www.facebook.com/owendelong/posts/10153204974284649 | [17:11] |
| ...... (idle for 25mn) | ||
| up_the_irons | someone correct me if I'm wrong.. but is the "service" command in Ubuntu Trusty part of Upstart, but on Xenial, it is systemd ?
mercutio: ^^ :) | [17:36] |
| mhoran | Yup.
On debian it routes to systemd somefuckinghow. I don't even understand how Linux works anymore. | [17:37] |
| mercutio | up_the_irons: it can also link to init.d i think | [17:37] |
| up_the_irons | well that's not confusing , is it
up_the_irons facepalms | [17:38] |
| mercutio | systemv started the confusion
it escalated from there | [17:38] |
| up_the_irons | no wonder the etcd service script on my Xenial nodes don't work, yet the scripts are using it like upstart
i swear to god i'm going to make my own linux distro | [17:38] |
| mercutio | systemd isn't actually too bad to use
up_the_irons: good luck :) | [17:39] |
| up_the_irons | haha
ARP Linux™ LOL | [17:39] |
| mhoran | I just have to learn all new tools that are different than the ones I've been using for 20 years. | [17:39] |
| up_the_irons | yeah it's so annoying | [17:39] |
| mercutio | then you can learn to love to hate autoconf, automake, etc. | [17:39] |
| mhoran | ... and different from the tools that I have to use on other systems. | [17:39] |
| up_the_irons | and you have to re-learn them every 2 years when the whole thing changes | [17:40] |
| mhoran | Yup. | [17:40] |
| mercutio | i haven't found much has changed really
rc.local vs systemd is the main thing probably lots of things i'm missing | [17:40] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: so is /etc/init still used by systemd (was Upstart) | [17:41] |
| mercutio | nope
but ubuntu has lots of legacy stuff systemd isnt' too hard | [17:41] |
| mhoran | Hard isn't the point. Unnecessary change is.
mhoran hugs FreeBSD rc.d | [17:42] |
| mercutio | systemctl start ssh.service
systemctl enable ssh.service | [17:42] |
| up_the_irons | mhoran: yeah unnecessary changes are totally annoying | [17:42] |
| mercutio | i think that kind of way of doing things is pretty easy | [17:42] |
| up_the_irons | as is over-engineering | [17:42] |
| mercutio | sure it's different, and seems really confusing at first
but it's not altogether bad | [17:42] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: OK, so if I have an Upstart file in /etc/init, and I want to port it to work with systemd, where's the systemd version of /etc/init ? | [17:43] |
| mhoran | I still have to manage init.d scripts from services that haven't migrated, and then know to use systemctl vs /etc/init.d when I use different distros that haven't ugraded, and then balance that with FreeBSD /etc/rc.d ... and then OS X launchctl ... | [17:43] |
| mercutio | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers | [17:44] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: thanks :) | [17:45] |
| mercutio | /usr/lib/systemd/user i think
i use system/ though | [17:45] |
| up_the_irons | ok | [17:50] |
| ........................ (idle for 1h57mn) | ||
| brycec | What's wrong with /etc/systemd/{system,user} or is that not "in" Ubuntu?
I've always left /usr/lib/systemd for packaged services (sockets, timers, etc) and put my own hand-rolled in /etc/systemd/ | [19:47] |
| ........ (idle for 38mn) | ||
| *** | dj_goku has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | [20:25] |
| mercutio | well /etc is kind of meant to be local isn't it?
so if you want to have the units on multiple systems /usr seems to make sense | [20:25] |
| *** | dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks
dj_goku has quit IRC (Changing host) dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks | [20:27] |
| ...... (idle for 25mn) | ||
| erratic_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) | [20:52] | |
| .......... (idle for 46mn) | ||
| brycec | I'd still argue that /usr/local/* would be better-suited. But I have no idea if systemd itself uses/recognizes /usr/local for anything. | [21:38] |
| mercutio | i don't think it does. but yeh /usr/local was the standard
man hier seems to suggest that /usr/local isn't supported | [21:38] |
| brycec | According to systemd.unit(5) it's /{etc,run,lib}/systemd/
Plus various user-level directories. /etc/systemd/system │ Local configuration, /run/systemd/system │ Runtime units, /lib/systemd/system │ Units of installed packages | [21:40] |
| *** | erratic has joined #arpnetworks | [21:41] |
| mercutio | what's /run/systemd
damn i'm behind aren't i | [21:50] |
| brycec | /var/run is a symlink to /run these days
and /run is a tmpfs (Manpage from Debian Jessie) | [21:50] |
| mercutio | yeh i thought run had pid etc in it
so run having systemd units sounded strange | [21:55] |
| brycec | I guess "runtime units" means temporary in this context | [21:55] |
| mercutio | does anyone here pay for lwn? | [21:59] |
| ................ (idle for 1h16mn) | ||
| andol | I do | [23:15] |
| brycec | HOORAY! Now that the console server is running a moderately recent OpenBSD, I can use ed25519 keys :D | [23:16] |
| up_the_irons | :) | [23:23] |
| ↑back Search ←Prev date Next date→ Show only urls | (Click on time to select a line by its url) |