#arpnetworks 2016-04-08,Fri

↑back Search ←Prev date Next date→ Show only urls(Click on time to select a line by its url)

WhoWhatWhen
***ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [05:37]
............................................... (idle for 3h52mn)
ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [09:29]
...... (idle for 29mn)
Lucifer333 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [09:58]
...... (idle for 27mn)
Lucifer333 has joined #arpnetworks [10:25]
....................... (idle for 1h51mn)
carvite has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
carvite has joined #arpnetworks
[12:16]
..... (idle for 20mn)
hycer has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
hycer has joined #arpnetworks
[12:39]
.......................... (idle for 2h6mn)
mnathani_We want to let you know about some upcoming changes to OneDrive. On July 13, 2016, the amount of storage that comes with OneDrive will change from 15 GB to 5 GB.
just as storage it becoming a cheaper commodity
[14:46]
mike-burnsApparently not! [14:50]
brycecI imagine it has more to do with abuse of OneDrive's limits. Not long ago they stopped offering their 1TB (or unlimited? Can't remember) due to abuse. [14:51]
......... (idle for 40mn)
up_the_ironsI remember when there were the floods in Thailand or something like that in that region, I couldn't buy more drives to build servers [15:31]
brycecYeah but that was like 4+ years ago now
Still took awhile for the prices to come back down though :/
[15:31]
up_the_ironsyeah i'm not saying it's from that [15:36]
.... (idle for 17mn)
brycecup_the_irons / mercutio: What do you think about including sha256sum in the backup service chroot? The other day I was looking to verify file contents and noticed there was no checksumming tool available so I just went by file size. I think it could be useful for other customers, and myself, if file integrity could be verified storage-side, but I understand too if you're concerned about users eating up
CPU.
(lol, just 4 letters too long for a single line)
(I thought about emailing that, but thought it could benefit from IRC/forum discussion too.
[15:53]
up_the_ironsI think that would be fine [15:57]
brycecWith Germany coming online soon, any plans to offer/move backup space that is geographically separated?
"soon" = "someday" i gues
s
[15:58]
up_the_ironsYep, we want to offer "remote" backup too [15:58]
brycecCan you be price-competitive with S3? :P
"The pricing would be higher to cover bandwidth costs; it is estimated to be $0.20 per GB.
^ Current blurb on the kb
[15:59]
up_the_ironsbrycec: give sha256sum a try
brycec: what pricing would you like to see?
[16:02]
I've also added md5sum and xz [16:09]
mercutio15gb to 5gb is a huge change
it seems bizzare. but i suppose they're not charging for it?
doesn't gmail give like 8gb now days?
[16:13]
mnathani_you are the product, when the product is free :-) [16:14]
mercutio0.96 GB (0%) of 115 GB used
wtf
gmail gives 115gb of space!
[16:14]
mike-burnsIs OneDrive an advertising company? [16:14]
mercutioit's microsfot
i think it comes with windows 10.
[16:14]
up_the_ironsinteresting [16:14]
mercutioi want to see this linux on windows thing
i wonder if it's in beta test
[16:17]
mike-burnsI assume it looks like Ubuntu. [16:17]
up_the_ironsthe article by Dustin Kirkland was interesting [16:17]
mercutioit is! [16:17]
BryceBotThat's what she said!! [16:17]
mercutioi shouldn't be so excited that it includes vim :) [16:18]
mnathani_up_the_irons: you mean this one: ? http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/04/howto-ubuntu-on-windows.html [16:19]
up_the_ironsyup
mercutio: that even excites me
maybe I'll be rocking a Surface by summer ;)
[16:19]
mnathani_this isnt some cygwin crap is it? [16:19]
up_the_ironsmnathani_: no it actually seems pretty good. real-time syscall translation. It's like wine but in reverse.
mnathani_: so the binaries run natively, in a way
[16:25]
brycecThat's a silly question :P 15:58:52 @up_the_irons | brycec: what pricing would you like to see? [16:25]
mike-burnsSimilar to what GNU HURD and Minix do, I suppose -- a POSIX compatibility layer. [16:26]
mnathani_I really should watch the build developer conference presentation on the subject
up_the_irons: thanks for breaking it down for me
[16:26]
brycecmike-burns: It's more than POSIX - Windows has been POSIX for awhile (though recent releases have been shedding some POSIX rules)
It's actual syscall emulation/compatability, meaning binaries themselves work
[16:27]
mike-burnsRight, right -- it's Ubuntu, not POSIX. [16:27]
brycecAnd yes it is in beta test, mercutio. It's rolling out now to those on the "fast track" or whatever it's call "ring" [16:27]
mike-burnsI read somewhere that fork(2) was the hard part. [16:27]
brycecup_the_irons: sha256sum and md5sum both work :) [16:28]
up_the_ironsbrycec: :) [16:28]
mnathani_I just submitted a sales@ request from the portal, but did not get an email confirmation. Is that normal? [16:28]
brycecPS Thanks mercutio
I thought only support@ got confirmation emails
[16:28]
up_the_ironsbrycec: what I mean is, S3 pricing is complicated to me, so if you simply tell me what pricing is attractive to you, I can say whether it's possible or not [16:28]
brycecup_the_irons: Ah thanks for clarifying [16:29]
up_the_ironsmnathani_: i think it's only support@ that has the auto responder [16:29]
mnathani_s3 charges for byte storages as well as bandwidth transfer in+out
arp only charges for byte storages, ie: bandwidth is thrown in
[16:29]
brycecup_the_irons: the simple explanation is that S3 is 3C/GB ($.03) for triple-replication with no cost for uploaded data.
mnathani_: out only
(unless you're referring to PUT/COPY/LIST etc requests)
up_the_irons: So something "competitive" would be around that 3C/GB mark
[16:30]
up_the_ironsOK thanks for the info [16:31]
brycecPersonally, I store my offsite backups in S3's "reduced redundancy storage" meaning it's only double-replicated (sorta RAID-1, ish) which is priced as $.0125/GB/mo [16:31]
up_the_ironsIt might be hard to compete with a company that has probably the most amount of storage in the world, but I'll see what I can do ;) [16:32]
brycecARP's advantage is being able to nfs or ssh access my data with no bandwidth limits/pricing at all (on-network) [16:32]
up_the_ironsyeah we keep it simple that way [16:32]
brycecOh yeah and the pricing is way simpler ;) [16:33]
mercutiomnathani_: your email did come through [16:34]
brycec: so it's cheaper to have two dual-replicated backups than one triple-replicated backup? [16:46]
brycecBear in mind the replication is behind the scenes, invisible to me
(in case that wasn't understood)
[16:47]
mercutioyeah, so it's less effort to use their triple replicated. [16:47]
brycecThe only difference for me to use their standard (triple) vs rrs (double) is the --use-rrs switch in duplicity ;) [16:47]
mercutioi've got a friend who was using amazon virtual machine (or whatever they call it) and the I/O was extremely bad.
there was some kind of auto-throttling where things became near unusable.
that said he was running scripts to create database records.
[16:48]
up_the_ironsduplicity knows the difference between triple and double replicated S3 space? damn... [16:49]
mercutiobut even if with however much they invest in storage it seemed strange there would be those I/O issues.
i suppose that could be their way to encourage people to spend more
[16:50]
the more i read about amazon the more confused i am [17:01]
..... (idle for 22mn)
ntt has confusing names for their locations
i was trying to figure out where lsanca was
apparently it's los angeles, north california?
where sydnau is sydney, australia, and osakjp is osaka, japan
so i thought it might be canada or such :)
oh maybe n is north america not north california
that makes more sense :)
[17:23]
................ (idle for 1h16mn)
JC_Dentonprobably a question for up_the_irons, but does arp have a managed storage product? [18:41]
mercutiowhat is managed storage? [18:54]
JC_Dentoni guess that's a poor term on my part. i'm really looking for something zfs backed that i can mount via nfs/cifs, etc. [18:57]
***ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [19:07]
........ (idle for 36mn)
mnathani_JC_Denton: what zfs feature are you looking for that a standard raid file server would not have? [19:43]
mercutioJC_Denton: so nfs/cifs/iscsi storage? [19:49]
mnathani_how is cifs different from samba? [19:50]
mercutiodo you mean with snapshots etc, or just with checksumming etc?
mnathani_: samba is an implementation of cifs
it's like kleenex vs tissues
[19:50]
..... (idle for 22mn)
mnathani_anyone know of a service that will monitor a nameserver for changes and send an email alert once the nameserver changes? [20:12]
***dj_goku has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) [20:18]
dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [20:23]
JC_Dentonmercutio: yeah
checksumming, snapshotting
i mean i could do sshfs with rsync.net or someone similar since they're zfs backed, but the latency would probably be painful
[20:30]
mnathani_would the cost per gb be a lot more than the current backup product?
considering the management overhead etc
[20:33]
JC_DentonJC_Denton thumps head
i really need to read the support kb a bit
i guess my curiosity is are those checksummed FSes
[20:34]
mercutioJC_Denton: well the idea is interesting, but i don't know what the security implications of having public cifs/nfs/etc are.
i'm kind of a fan of nfs+zfs
you can do exposed snapdir and be able to see files inside individual snapshots
so it's pretty seemless
[20:48]
JC_Dentontunneling it might solve the security issue [20:49]
mercutioi was more thinking that cifs, nfs etc may have security ramifications of elevating privileges or such.
maybe it's not so bad these days
in sunos times, portmap, nfs etc were quite vulnerable
hah so now days i find portmap can be used for ddos amplification attacks.
[20:50]
............ (idle for 56mn)
mnathani_updating windows 10 in a VMware Virtual Machine - signed up for the insider program, so I should get the linux addon feature [21:48]
up_the_ironsJC_Denton: mercutio : i think I'm confused as to what "managed storage" is also ;) [21:53]
JC_Dentonbad terminology on my part ;)
what file system does the backup product use?
[21:54]
up_the_ironsjust straight linux, probably ext3
Are you looking for something where you can 'zfs send' snapshots and stuff? Like, a zfs-based storage / backup solution?
[22:01]
JC_Dentoni'm mostly after the checksumming [22:09]
mercutiofrom that point of view you could use zfs locally though? [22:13]
JC_Dentoni could, but i didn
^'t setup that way :(
[22:13]
mercutioheh
what OS are you using?
[22:14]
JC_Dentonkind of committed at this point
debian, ext4
[22:14]
mercutioyeah on linux zfs root is a bit more iffy
you could get another drive and stick zfs on it?
[22:15]
JC_Dentoni could, i suppose
not sure my metal machine could hold another drive, though
[22:16]
mercutioahh this is on metal [22:16]
JC_Dentonyeah
right now i run my backups over rsnapshot to a ZFS NAS i have at home
[22:16]
mercutiothat is an extra interesting point in a way [22:17]
JC_Dentonbut my home bandwidth sucks obviously
how so?
[22:17]
mercutiowell shared storage would definitely be nifty for vm's to be able to read the same data from different vm's, but on metal machines if you have 2 ssd's or such, it would actually be rather useful to have some bulk storage etc.
and for bulk storage you may not even use it that much
and in metal it means having an extra spinning disk, then at least one more for if there's hard-disk failure etc.
[22:18]
JC_Dentonyeah, i've got two ssds in my metal right now, i've got a root partition on the one disk and then spread across the rest in a LVM configuration
i've got VMs then using LVs right off that setup under KVM
[22:19]
mercutiodid you want space just for backups, or would you rather be able to run vm's on the remote space?
VMs
[22:20]
JC_Dentonjust backups [22:21]
mercutioahh ok [22:21]
JC_Dentonmaybe something live with sshfs, nothing too exciting [22:21]
mercutiowell md5/sha256 should work ok to know if you are not getting corrupt data. [22:23]
JC_Dentonyeah, i've thought about using aide to do the monitoring [22:24]
mercutioin some ways i think using iscsi to somewhere would make the most sense [22:28]
JC_Dentonyeah, most likely [22:28]
mercutiothen running zfs on top of that [22:28]
...... (idle for 26mn)
mnathani_hmm, I dont see the latest windows insider update
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dB0igTfhfg
[22:54]
BryceBotYouTube video: "Build 2016 - Running Bash on Ubuntu on Windows!" by DotNet World [22:58]
mercutioi see it mnathani_
are you on fast path or slow path or what?
[23:06]
mnathani_I set it to fast
but might take a while, as I just set it
[23:07]
mercutioit doesn't always update instantly [23:07]
mnathani_I wonder if there is a way to sideload it [23:07]
mercutioyou want build 14316
actually i only see 14295
i'm on slow path and defer upgrades
but a notification came up about it
my windows 10 ois on 11102
[23:07]

↑back Search ←Prev date Next date→ Show only urls(Click on time to select a line by its url)