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| brycec | For those who don't know https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3167967/screenshot_2015-10-14_00-04-33.png | [00:07] |
| mercutio | it does look a bit off | [00:11] |
| brycec | Off? In what way? | [00:13] |
| mercutio | in that it should say arpnetworks | [00:13] |
| brycec | Is that the aforementioned cosmetic change? | [00:13] |
| mercutio | yes | [00:13] |
| brycec | AH yes, I would agree | [00:14] |
| mercutio | yeah the problem is that it's only that change atm, so it hadn't been pushed yet :)
SeaBIOS (version 1.7.4-20150706_011241-arp) that's what the other one says | [00:14] |
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2VXoI3XTq4 | [00:24] | |
| BryceBot | YouTube video: "Coreboot + Seabios vs Award Bios" by Jonpro03 | [00:24] |
| brycec | :/ seems I can't quite do what I want to do, put my VPS on a VLAN in order to put it "behind" a dedicated machine. Something seems to be stripping the tag. And alas, I can't afford any more downtime to fiddle with things. | [00:29] |
| mercutio | you mean vlan inside vlan? | [00:29] |
| brycec | yes
(technically) | [00:30] |
| mercutio | why not just use internal ip's or such? | [00:30] |
| brycec | Because then I have to nat, for one | [00:31] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [00:31] |
| brycec | BryceBot: no | [00:31] |
| BryceBot | Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'Because then I have to nat, for one' | [00:31] |
| mercutio | you can always do ip routing
and route to the internal ip err route the internet ip to the internal ip but you'd still have to do proxyarp | [00:31] |
| brycec | Yeah, makes rules and such complicated, might have issues with ipsec too, etc | [00:31] |
| mercutio | ahh
i'm not sure what would be stripping tag | [00:32] |
| brycec | I do see tagged packets on both sides, but it seems like some packets end up stripped | [00:32] |
| mercutio | it may be some kind of vlan offload oddity or such
did you try reducing mtu? | [00:32] |
| brycec | maybe. I'll leave it for some other day | [00:33] |
| mercutio | ok | [00:33] |
| brycec | Hm I didn't. But even small ICMP didn't seem to get returned
I did see the ICMP packets arrive on the VPS, on the tagged interface even. But they didn't seem to get returned in the first place. | [00:33] |
| mercutio | it may be a checksum issue | [00:34] |
| brycec | brycec decides to slip in a few more minutes of "maintenance" | [00:34] |
| mercutio | just test on internal ip's first
so that it's not downtime is it freebsd or linux? | [00:34] |
| brycec | It's really annoying to debug in such a tiny window, vnc and serial are both 80x25 | [00:35] |
| mercutio | or oepnbsd. :) | [00:35] |
| brycec | OpenBSD | [00:35] |
| mercutio | hmm | [00:35] |
| brycec | (And FreeBSD on the router side) | [00:35] |
| mercutio | which side was not returning packets? | [00:35] |
| brycec | the "inside" OpenBSD box behind the FreeBSD firewall | [00:36] |
| mercutio | did you try pfctl -d for testing? | [00:36] |
| brycec | I don't think so
brycec is a bit distracted | [00:36] |
| mercutio | openbsd doesn't really allow much network tweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaking
grr for some reason got a huge delay, and synergy meant it didn't register key up :0 | [00:36] |
| brycec | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
lol | [00:36] |
| mercutio | i don't even have a fast repeat rate.
wow wikipedia's ads are over half the page now saying that less than 1% give | [00:37] |
| brycec | I used to give until the ads/begging got so bad | [00:38] |
| mercutio | yeah i'm out of ideas for openbsd already | [00:39] |
| brycec | heh | [00:39] |
| mercutio | hmm
hwfeatures=16<CSUM_TCPv4,CSUM_UDPv4,VLAN_MTU> hardmtu 16000 | [00:39] |
| brycec | Don't fret about it | [00:39] |
| mercutio | can't help it, i'm curious :)
but yeah i'll see if i can figure out anything when the new openbsd comes out | [00:40] |
| brycec | heh sorry for nerd-sniping you | [00:40] |
| mercutio | heh it's that thing where you see a problem and you want to know why :) | [00:40] |
| brycec | Exactly | [00:40] |
| mercutio | most geeks seems to have it :)
at least the ones that stay in IT :) | [00:41] |
| brycec | For now I'm content having this VM in front of the other VM's on my dedi box | [00:41] |
| mercutio | ok | [00:41] |
| brycec | (makes firewall management much simpler :)) | [00:41] |
| mercutio | i'm kind of a fan of firewall per host
but with things like port scans etc it can be nice to block further up | [00:42] |
| brycec | Nothing wrong with that. But maintenance (keeping rules/whitelists synchronized) is annoying.
For me though, I don't like firewalling in non-OpenBSD (or non-pf, really) so this covers my Debian VMs) | [00:43] |
| mercutio | ahh | [00:44] |
| brycec | Also makes an easy ipsec endpoint for me to bridge networks | [00:44] |
| mercutio | are you doing the upgrade to 5.8 soon? | [00:45] |
| brycec | On some hosts, certainly
I have a couple production hosts still on 5.6 - can't handle the risk of extended downtime | [00:45] |
| mercutio | heh
5.6 is recent :) | [00:46] |
| brycec | indeed, it just won't be "current", won't receive errata/patches, etc | [00:47] |
| mercutio | yeah depends what it's running | [00:47] |
| brycec | (which I can't fault OpenBSD for) | [00:47] |
| mercutio | i used to think it was crazy that people would want uptimes of years.
but now i see a lot of sense in it as i grew older :) although when you have 5 year uptimes the hardware is probably getting pretty old | [00:48] |
| brycec | (In my defense, it's not solid update we need for these services, but the risk is that something will break with the upgrade and cause extended downtime, problems etc. And that's on us, we just don't have a testbed for our stuff right now to try an upgrade) | [00:50] |
| mercutio | yeah
i remember a bit of pain with updates back when i used raidframe with openbsd before i had nice lights out etc :) raidframe hasn't been included in ages, so it must have been going back a long time. and openbsd wanted to rebuild the whole raid set before booting. i haven't actually touched software raid on openbsd in ages, any idea what it's like? | [00:53] |
| brycec | Nope 'fraid not | [00:56] |
| "Hurricane Electric is offering existing customers and users a Full 42U cabinet in our data center in Fremont, California, US with 15 amp 120 volt power and 1 Gbps on gige Internet bandwidth for $400/month total."
wow I mean, 15A isn't *that* much still, lot you could do with 42U for the price of a few ARP dedi's | [01:02] | |
| mercutio | one of their fremont data centres had a lot of power issues
and i doubt power is redundant but yeah that's damn cheap if you just want to host a whole lot of cheap servers. | [01:03] |
| brycec | yeah I noted that too (non-redundant power feeds, etc) | [01:05] |
| mercutio | i've got a friend in santa clara, i'm sure he'd love the idea of me suggesting he do a whole lot of server installs hah
hmm 15 amp in US voltage sucks. | [01:06] |
| brycec | Yeah, relatively
eg: Good luck stuffing 42 1U servers in there | [01:07] |
| mercutio | 15 amp with NZ voltage (240v) still means you can't go dense. | [01:07] |
| brycec | 15A over 42U is .02W/U | [01:08] |
| mercutio | 0.2A you mean? | [01:08] |
| brycec | *2.7W/U I meant | [01:08] |
| mercutio | ahh | [01:08] |
| brycec | brycec missed a decimal :p | [01:08] |
| mercutio | hangon that still seems wrong
39.28 watts/u it's .285 but you never round up when talking about power usage :) my home server is using 77watts at idle. speaking of he.net i just got an e-mail from them | [01:08] |
| brycec | Yeah you're right, I just redid my math. Not sure where I messed up. | [01:10] |
| mercutio | oh
that's the same e-mail you got isn't it :) | [01:10] |
| brycec | possibly the same email as I :p
Probably | [01:10] |
| mercutio | yeah it has the $400/month thing in it
i wonder how much space they have it's more expensive than that for colo here even before power and bandwidth | [01:11] |
| brycec | Apparently enough to run a special on it :P Overbuilt? | [01:12] |
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| mercutio | one place is charging $450NZ/month for a cabinet, plus like $200 per killowat of power | [01:12] |
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| mercutio | and then you need bw on top
errr $450 for half a caibnet i meant | [01:13] |
| brycec | @exch 450 NZD USD | [01:14] |
| BryceBot | 450 NZD -> 302.32142545224 USD (as of Wed, 14 Oct 2015 01:00:10 -0700) | [01:14] |
| mercutio | it's $700 for a cabinet
oh and it was actually $400 it seems, but $450 setup fee. but yeah that's actually on the cheap side here interesting, they list layer 2 transport pricing now it's $1000/month on 1 year term from fremont to los angeles it doesn't go up by much to go to europe though cheaper just to use ip transit | [01:14] |
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| mnathani_ | does ARPnetworks accept the American Express credit card? | [19:32] |
| brycec | Good question | [19:35] |
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| mnathani_ | The credit card updating page does not specify which cards they accept | [19:50] |
| brycec | Nor is it addressed in the FAQ or support section | [19:50] |
| mnathani_ | couldnt find it in the knowledgebase either
yea | [19:50] |
| mercutio | you could try just sticking it in | [19:51] |
| brycec | twss | [19:51] |
| BryceBot | Okay! twss! 'you could try just sticking it in' | [19:51] |
| mercutio | hahaa | [19:51] |
| mnathani_ | lol | [19:51] |
| mercutio | it does
go to order you can set visa, mastercard, american express, discover i don't know what discover is | [19:51] |
| brycec | it's a US credit card company
@wiki Discover Card | [19:52] |
| BryceBot | Discover Card :: The Discover Card is a credit card, issued primarily in the United States. It was announced by Sears in 1985 and was introduced nationwide the following year. Discover was part of Dean Witter, and then Morgan Stanley, until 2007, when Discover Financial Services became an independent company. Novus was once the major processing center that partnered with the company.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discover%20Card | [19:52] |
| mercutio | yeah must not have much international spread. | [19:52] |
| brycec | mercutio/up_the_irons: How is the image list populated on the signup form? It lists OpenBSD 4.7 for instance, which really should just be deleted. Same with Debian lenny and squeeze. etc | [19:54] |
| mercutio | it's manually edited. | [19:54] |
| brycec | Just my $.02 but I think the list is way too long as is, and most of that are out of date releases. | [19:55] |
| mercutio | openbsd 4.7 is still available, the rationale being that someone for some unknown reason may want to install an older version for compatibility reasons or such.
yeah | [19:55] |
| brycec | mercutio: sure, that's why the ISO is still around. No reason to keep the image around though.
If someone knows what they're doing... | [19:55] |
| mercutio | hmm over 5 years. | [19:55] |
| brycec | Yep | [19:55] |
| mercutio | true. | [19:56] |
| brycec | Also known as: Don't encourage $lusers to install unmaintained releases. | [19:56] |
| mercutio | heh | [19:56] |
| brycec | Also, the Debian 7.3 semi-duplicates the 7.8 image, since an apt-get upgrade in the 7.3 will take it to 7.9
*7.8 | [19:57] |
| mercutio | so drop freebsd 10.0, 9.0, 7.2, openbsd 4.7 through 5.4, and ubuntu lucid you reckon?
err and debian lenny and squeeze, and centos 6.3. there are a few hmm. | [19:57] |
| brycec | Yes, precisely.
(And the page already says "If it's not listed, you can install it yourself" so that angle is covered) Out of curiosity, do you guys have some parternship deal with "AutumnTECH"? | [19:57] |
| mercutio | no idea | [19:59] |
| brycec | Mmk. Seems sorta like it - all the other images are just operating systems, but that image is someone's product and it's very clearly at the top (because alphabet, I suspect) | [20:00] |
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