#arpnetworks 2015-05-17,Sun

mnathani_

kvr 09, 14, 15, 16

RandalSchwartz

well - I got nothing. Would have been nice to at least flag it out in nagios so pagerduty wasn't screaming.

m0unds

last night was 03, 04, 17, 22, 23, 24

RandalSchwartz

some of those sound familiar... although I can never keep track of them any more. :)
yeah... chris1 is on 24... that explains last night
chris0 is on 13... that was a couple of nights ago
mabel is on 7... must not have happened yet.

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up_the_irons

RandalSchwartz: we actually did send emails

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RandalSchwartz

hmm.
maybe to neil. :)

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grody

dang.. my little trick didn't work
was hoping my vps went into hibernation when the acpi shutdown was sent, and resumed when powered back up
another thing that doesn't work as it did in 8.x

[15:22]

__pyro__

I got an email yesterday about maintenance window, but it's not 12pm utc yet and the thing is unreachable

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mercutio

it may be an error on your system, try vnc'ing to it.

[15:25]

grody

hmm, odd.. mine seemed to have rebooted 10 hours ago, but looking at the email, it's due in just over half hour

[15:25]

m0unds

12PM UTC on 5/17 was 0600 MDT
which was..10 hrs ago

[15:25]

mercutio

my system didn't appear to fsck, but i had no /bsd, only /bsd.mp and openbsd didn't boot the /bsd.mp

[15:26]

grody

it's 11:24PM BST (UTC+1) on 17th May atm

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mercutio

i haven't seen the more recent email. my vps was in the earlier window.

[15:27]

grody

hmm, might still get chance to test

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m0unds

yea, mine was overnight

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grody

oh right, mine was done at lunch time

__pyro__

everything looks good from vnc

grody

my head is so not working tonight

mercutio

including networking?

__pyro__

but none of my tcp things connect
i don't know how to debug networking really :(

mercutio

can you get out?
can you ping 4.2.2.1 or such

__pyro__

that works

[15:36]

grody

without firing up a browser.. how much would a real small VPS (single core, smallest disk possible (5GB would be enough) and a handful of RAM (256MB)?
nvm.. the small package would do the trick

[15:42]

RandalSchwartz

I think $20 is the minimum

[15:43]

grody

$10 one atm

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RandalSchwartz

$5 at digitalocean.com with 20GB of SSD and 512M ram. and it would launch in 55 seconds.

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grody

nah will need it here, ideally want it to run pfsense on, then allocate other VMs behind it

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RandalSchwartz

there's no way garry can compete with that. :)

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grody

grody likes here

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BryceBot

That's what she said!!

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RandalSchwartz

except on one aspect... they won't do ZFS for the FreeBSD.
I've asked, but not yet.
and they don't have "boot from fixit shell"
so if you hose your /, you're dead.

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grody

would digitalocean let you run a pfsense vm, then let you network other vm's behind it, with a /48 block routed to you and any IP4s you have too?

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mercutio

RandalSchwartz: zfs takes up more ram
i thjink the fixit shell for freebsd got fixed.

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grody

fixit shell?

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RandalSchwartz

not sure

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mercutio

there was a problem with the freebsd install iso not having rescue shell

[15:48]

grody

RandalSchwartz

fixit shell = boot off the DVD and attack your broken disk

mercutio

zfs root on freebsd would be cool.

grody

was gonna say, just boot the vDVD and break your way out of installer into a shell

mercutio

i just don't know how well it'd work on the smallest instances.

RandalSchwartz

well - DO doesn't let you mount a DVD.

mercutio

oh you wer talking about do

RandalSchwartz

so you're limited to their configurations.

mercutio

someone was complaining about arp having issues with freebsd rescue shells

RandalSchwartz

yes... I've typically built my own here with mount DVD.
mercutio - was me
fixed now
8.4 DVD is selectable
don't need it for 9 or 10

mercutio

cool.

RandalSchwartz

disc1 has fixit shell
and nobody should be building an 8.4 machine within a month of EOL :)

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grody

im gonna miss 8.x

RandalSchwartz

in fact. red.stonehenge.com is probably the last 8.x machine here. :)
I'm gonna push it to 9 in a week or two

mercutio

i dunno why they don't just do a 8.5

RandalSchwartz

because 8.4 is eol

grody

just spending time reading up on what else they've changed before i go into rebuilding my persyserver

RandalSchwartz

it has seen better days.

grody

freebsd do do weird numbering, but so does google with android

RandalSchwartz

heh... the girl I was chatting up at the bar just walked on her tab

mercutio

freebsd's numbering is fine to me.

m0unds

the only weird android thing was 3.x

RandalSchwartz

but the bar has the last laugh, they have her CC.

grody

hah

m0unds

whoops
hahah

grody

tbh, i have unintentionally walked out on tabs before (usually when i get called off in a rush)

RandalSchwartz

I think they put an automatic 25% service fee on walks as well

grody

but i always go back as soon as i can

RandalSchwartz

some sign around here says that

grody

ouch

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grody

you wooed her so much, she wandered off in a fluster

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RandalSchwartz

no... that's never the case.
she had to be somewhere at 5pm for a job
and she was yelling at her boss for scheduling her.
definitely not altogether there.
so she's yelling at him on the phone, and says "I gotta take this outside"
that was 20 minutes ago :)

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mercutio

who goes to a bar during the daytime?

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RandalSchwartz

I hope you don't expect an answer to that. :)

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mercutio

heh
a little provocative :)

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grody

i sometimes work from a bar

mercutio

ahh the english do :)
although isn't that usually pubs?

grody

lol yea

mercutio

here bar usually means more nightclubish

grody

we do have some nice pubs though, not very many i trust getting out my laptop/tablet/phone etc.

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mercutio

more drinking orientated than food etc.
i hate getting a laptop out in public

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grody

ahh, pubs here do it all really.. during the day sorta like a cafe/pub/resteraunt and at night the boozer

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mercutio

heh anywhere called a pub here would have terrible coffee :)

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grody

my local has a cool little seat, wall to my back and camera looking over at me from other end.. no snoopers and anyone knicking it has to get oassed the bar
yea the coffee isn't all too great
few shots of whiskey usually fixes that though

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mercutio

hardly anyone here seems to have laptops at cafe's
but occassionally you see someone
and i did it once

grody

crap, gonna have to wait til payday to get this new vps
thought i had money left on the naughty card.. bloody missus

mercutio

you don't want to uuse any wifi they may provide though
it'll be worse than mobile tethering

grody

nah the wifis i wouldn't trust
open and can be seen by anyone in shot, not even comfortable using my vpn over it
usually have my own 3G hotspot or unlimited mobile data on the phone and just tether
i do like my little 3g router.. it gets very warm and makes a brilliant pocket warmer on a cold day

mercutio

my cellphone seems to bug out sometimes and get really warm in my pocket
bloody annoying

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RandalSchwartz

heh... the bar owner and bartender are laughing
this girl gave me all her contact info including friending me on facebok

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grody

message her to tell her she left her card and unpaid bill

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RandalSchwartz

so I've given that all to them... I wonder if she'll have legal ramifications for walking out

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grody

dont know about US law, but in UK, if it was genuinely an accident, it wont matter.. usually they pre-auth the card on tabs here, so if you do walk out they have a right to charge your card without your pin or signature

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mercutio

she may be back

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RandalSchwartz

no... she had to be at her other job at 5pm
and was already looking at mass-transit schedules

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mercutio

but the next day

RandalSchwartz

well - that'll be for the judge to decide

mercutio

what?

RandalSchwartz

dunno if I said this, but the mayor of this city *owns* this bar

mercutio

she may just do the right thing

RandalSchwartz

she's messing with the mayor

mercutio

is this the same bar you say the mayor at?

RandalSchwartz

her credit card was declined
yes

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mercutio

we pay $25 for declined credit card here

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grody

painful
usually the embarassment is enough here

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RandalSchwartz

I would message her, but I don't want to spoil the surprise that the bar is likely to loft on her. :)

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grody

that's just mean

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RandalSchwartz

hey... just met her. and she was LA-bat-crap-crazy
just chatting about that with the bartender.
she saw me on facebook, and said "you should be my friend"
that was completely unsolicitied
then she pointed me at one of her business websites, and within two clicks, I had NSFW pics, which I had to immediately close.

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grody

hmm, i wont diss hyper-v again.. in windows 10, it is creaming for a freebsd guest
it feels near native when i run freebsd on host
as when*

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RandalSchwartz

renoni.net - click portfoloi
whoa. her phone number is in the whois for that

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grody

heh
why i ♥ .uk domains, can have all persy info witheld

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RandalSchwartz

you can do that here too with the right registrar

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grody

just go to watch out for nominet police, they like to suspend domains because they can't verify personal details in their records
the records they use are far from reliable too

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m0unds

yea, gandi offers free obfuscation for certain domain types
i use it on my .nets

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grody

phone records, if you are x-directory, wont show. Sole traders don't show up in public records and persons on the voters register can opt out of an edited register, which anyone can see (the edited version), opt out and you don't appear on it
.net (.net.uk) here have to be registered to companies with intent to use them for naming networking devices
ofc i can just register out in US for a .net instead and not need that
im actually still surprised nominet have allowed a domain i do use for network naming has a totally abstract postal address and contact information, but a valid contact email and phone number

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m0unds

i hate mouse shopping

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RandalSchwartz

shopping for a mouse
shopping with a mouse?
shopping on behalf of a mouse?
RandalSchwartz hasn't used a mouse in years

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m0unds

m0unds uses a mouse every day

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RandalSchwartz

a mouse would take my hands too far away from the keyboard
I'm not sure how people put up with that kind of delay

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m0unds

somehow, i manage

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acf__

trackpoint ftw!

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m0unds

haha, mousenipple

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RandalSchwartz

I mean my primary machines have all had trackpads since 1993 or so.
heh... bartender just bought me a shot of jamieson for helping them out

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m0unds

i work on a desktop and a laptop and the laptop naturally uses a trackpad

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RandalSchwartz

and he tells me the owner/mayor is definitely worked up, and will push hard to resolution

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mercutio

RandalSchwartz: 10keyless keyboard maybe?

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RandalSchwartz

mercutio what?

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mercutio

RandalSchwartz: no numeric pad so mouse is closer.

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RandalSchwartz

I've never owned a machine with a numeric pad
No - I take that back. My Sol-20 had that
... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Processor_Technology#/media/File:Processor_Technology_SOL_20_Computer.jpg

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BryceBot

Processor Technology :: Processor Technology Corporation was a personal computer company founded in April 1975 by Gary Ingram and Bob Marsh in Berkeley, California. Their first product was a 4K byte RAM board that was compatible with the MITS Altair 8800 computer but more reliable than the MITS board. This was followed by a series of memory and I/O boards including a video display module. Popular Electronics magazine wanted a feature article...

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RandalSchwartz

I still have that machine in storage!

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mercutio

i only have one 10keyless keyboard.
i dununo why they call them 10keyless
becuase they skip like 17 keys

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RandalSchwartz

still never understood a keyboard with such redundancy

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mercutio

i like the right enter key
can use it with the right left thuumb from mouse
helpful for urls that complete

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m0unds

my kb is 10keyless
i like having the extra space on my desk

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mercutio

i haev 10keyless in my other area
i've been thinking about swapping to it
cos it's mx brown vs mx red, and i keep typoing

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m0unds

my desk just isn't very big, and i only occasionally used the 10key at all. i had a little slim backlit keyboard for a long time (branded by creative labs, but i don't remember the oem) and it didn't have a 10key either
i'm trying out a steelseries mouse because it was the most comfortable for my big, stupid hands

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mercutio

my desk is huge, but i like having useful things nearby.
i tried having 3 monitors for a while, and while it fits ok, it's just much more comfortable condensing.

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RandalSchwartz

I can't imagine having anything more than my single laptop screen.

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m0unds

i gave up my second display because i just didn't use it often enough

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mercutio

i'm using a steelseries mouse
ahh i usue two all the time
3 i used a lot too
but it's hard to look from 1st to 3rd
oh hangon it's corsair, not steelseries
i had a steelseries mouse pad

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m0unds

i had a silly number of monitors at my old workplace

mercutio

but i've shifted to razor golaithus
i have heaps of monitors here, :/
i have uhh 3 .. 4.. 5.. 7?

m0unds

i had 5 at one point, it was obnoxious

mercutio

but i only use 2+1

m0unds

2 for surv env and 3 for workstation

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mercutio

i even downsized my monitor in my test area.
just because it's more convenient
it's a really cheap 24" ips.
or maybe 22"
must be 22"

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mercutio

i can't stand laptops.
there's just not enough desktop space etc.
fans always spinning up and down
m0unds: how well do you find 3 monitors works for you?

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m0unds

it was alright for what i was doing at the time, but it's utter overkill for anything else
i had 5 on my desk, 3 on arms, two on the desk

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mercutio

i found with 3 monitors i really had to be careful about things that would show on the screen
like if something's always updating it's distracting

m0unds

surv env stuff on my far left, incident tracker on the leftmost workstation monitor, browsing or reading stuff in the center and logging stuff on the right
yeah, i agree

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mercutio

well something like mtr isn't too bad, but anything that makes "big" differences

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m0unds

yea, my incident tracker had flashing stuff

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mercutio

because it can end up on your peripheral vision it's like much more distracting.
i hide this irc window sometimes :)

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mkb

ail

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RandalSchwartz

heh... the mayor just picked up a guy passed out on the sidewalk across the street
people in here were gonna call 911
*there* is a proactive mayor

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mercutio

weird
you wouldn't think of a mayor of being at all proactive :)

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RandalSchwartz

yeah - this guy is pretty f'ing cool
I can see how he ended up being the mayor
sadly, he's 3 years younger than me, and sometimes I think people like him are a lot more accomplished than me.
but then I think... ok, how many google hits for his name vs mine.
or... does he have a wikipedia page? :)
there are clearly some ways that I have permanently impacted the world.

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mercutio

normally a mayor wouldn't own a bar either.

RandalSchwartz

if I was mayor, I'd do that. :)

mercutio

heh

RandalSchwartz

he's trusted by the local business community because of that
part of how he got elected
just like mayor bud clark in portland
.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bud_Clark

BryceBot

Error in Wikipedia's response:

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mercutio

randal is a hacker i see :)
geek cruises?

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RandalSchwartz

what?

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mercutio

it says you've been on every geek cruise?
although the link goes from geekcruises.com redirecting to insightcruises.com
which seems to have a cruise every month..

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RandalSchwartz

I've been on 65-ish of the 83-ish events

mercutio

wow

RandalSchwartz

exact numbers would require me opening a numbers spreadsheet :)

mercutio

i was just lokoing at your web page
you made it so encouraging to stalk you :)

RandalSchwartz

yeah. I like friends.

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mercutio

so is geek cruise and insightcruuise the same thing?

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RandalSchwartz

geekcruise original name. insightcruise modern name
geekcruise was more about neil promoted cruises.
insightcruise about partnered events
magazine provides two pages of ads per month...
neil runs the show
they split the profits
before that, neil bought ads, and showed up at conferences.

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mercutio

i noticed new zealand was on it heh

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RandalSchwartz

much better now

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mercutio

well on insight

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RandalSchwartz

Yeah - I'm not on that one
cannot get a reliable ETA to their
there

mercutio

yeah i imagine it's too far away :)

RandalSchwartz

no - not too far away

mercutio

oh?

RandalSchwartz

but last few times I've tried for ETA to Oz, failed.

mercutio

for flying there?

RandalSchwartz

so I'm not trying any more
yeah

mercutio

weird
it's pretty easy to fly to australia from here :)

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RandalSchwartz

even though I've been in Oz six times already

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mercutio

i have no idea what it's like from US
well i sort of know a bit
ie you have to get to california first

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RandalSchwartz

I haven't tried in past two years... might give it a go someday soon.
maybe next year.

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OK - I just applied for an ETA
if that works, I may be coming to new zealand!

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mercutio

haha
i'm biased, but i think nz is pretty cool

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RandalSchwartz

very likely though they'll just deny it, as they have.

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mercutio

how does that eta stuff work?
is that like a travel agent?

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RandalSchwartz

ETA = electronic travel authorization
it's like a visa, but easier to apply for

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mercutio

oh
i thought it meant estimated time of arrival :)

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RandalSchwartz

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mercutio

ok that's why i didn't understand.

RandalSchwartz

US to AU can use ETA's

mercutio

is it because you were a hacker?

RandalSchwartz

but I keep getting denied
felon
apparently AU has full felon quota :)

mercutio

i thought it got wiped?

RandalSchwartz

yeah, but only at the state level

mercutio

nz has these clean slate laws, so you could probably get in anyway

RandalSchwartz

at the federal level, I'm still apparently infringed.