#arpnetworks 2015-05-17,Sun

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mercutiohttps://blog.xenproject.org/2015/05/14/hardening-hypervisors-against-venom-style-attacks/ [05:38]
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RandalSchwartzI realize up_the_irons doesn't have the bandwidth to email every customer before rebooting their boxes, but I wish he would at least announce it here.
we've had the second spooky reboot so far. and not a peep.
[09:02]
mnathani_I got an email
2 actually
one for my customer
Subject: ARP Networks, Inc. EMERGENCY Maintenance Notice
[09:03]
m0undsyea, i got one too [09:04]
mnathani_kvr 09, 14, 15, 16 [09:04]
RandalSchwartzwell - I got nothing. Would have been nice to at least flag it out in nagios so pagerduty wasn't screaming. [09:04]
m0undslast night was 03, 04, 17, 22, 23, 24 [09:04]
RandalSchwartzsome of those sound familiar... although I can never keep track of them any more. :)
yeah... chris1 is on 24... that explains last night
chris0 is on 13... that was a couple of nights ago
mabel is on 7... must not have happened yet.
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up_the_ironsRandalSchwartz: we actually did send emails [10:09]
RandalSchwartzhmm.
maybe to neil. :)
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grodydang.. my little trick didn't work
was hoping my vps went into hibernation when the acpi shutdown was sent, and resumed when powered back up
another thing that doesn't work as it did in 8.x
[15:22]
__pyro__I got an email yesterday about maintenance window, but it's not 12pm utc yet and the thing is unreachable [15:23]
mercutioit may be an error on your system, try vnc'ing to it. [15:25]
grodyhmm, odd.. mine seemed to have rebooted 10 hours ago, but looking at the email, it's due in just over half hour [15:25]
m0unds12PM UTC on 5/17 was 0600 MDT
which was..10 hrs ago
[15:25]
mercutiomy system didn't appear to fsck, but i had no /bsd, only /bsd.mp and openbsd didn't boot the /bsd.mp [15:26]
grodyit's 11:24PM BST (UTC+1) on 17th May atm [15:26]
mercutioi haven't seen the more recent email. my vps was in the earlier window. [15:27]
grodyhmm, might still get chance to test [15:27]
m0undsyea, mine was overnight [15:28]
grodyoh right, mine was done at lunch time [15:35]
__pyro__everything looks good from vnc [15:35]
grodymy head is so not working tonight [15:35]
mercutioincluding networking? [15:35]
__pyro__but none of my tcp things connect
i don't know how to debug networking really :(
[15:35]
mercutiocan you get out?
can you ping 4.2.2.1 or such
[15:35]
__pyro__that works [15:36]
grodywithout firing up a browser.. how much would a real small VPS (single core, smallest disk possible (5GB would be enough) and a handful of RAM (256MB)?
nvm.. the small package would do the trick
[15:42]
RandalSchwartzI think $20 is the minimum [15:43]
grody$10 one atm [15:43]
RandalSchwartzoh
$5 at digitalocean.com with 20GB of SSD and 512M ram. and it would launch in 55 seconds.
[15:43]
grodynah will need it here, ideally want it to run pfsense on, then allocate other VMs behind it [15:44]
RandalSchwartzthere's no way garry can compete with that. :) [15:44]
grodygrody likes here [15:45]
BryceBotThat's what she said!! [15:45]
RandalSchwartzexcept on one aspect... they won't do ZFS for the FreeBSD.
I've asked, but not yet.
and they don't have "boot from fixit shell"
so if you hose your /, you're dead.
[15:45]
grodywould digitalocean let you run a pfsense vm, then let you network other vm's behind it, with a /48 block routed to you and any IP4s you have too? [15:47]
mercutioRandalSchwartz: zfs takes up more ram
i thjink the fixit shell for freebsd got fixed.
[15:47]
grodyfixit shell? [15:48]
RandalSchwartznot sure [15:48]
mercutiothere was a problem with the freebsd install iso not having rescue shell [15:48]
grodyah [15:49]
RandalSchwartzfixit shell = boot off the DVD and attack your broken disk [15:49]
mercutiozfs root on freebsd would be cool. [15:49]
grodywas gonna say, just boot the vDVD and break your way out of installer into a shell [15:49]
mercutioi just don't know how well it'd work on the smallest instances. [15:49]
RandalSchwartzwell - DO doesn't let you mount a DVD. [15:50]
mercutiooh you wer talking about do [15:50]
RandalSchwartzso you're limited to their configurations. [15:50]
mercutiosomeone was complaining about arp having issues with freebsd rescue shells [15:50]
RandalSchwartzyes... I've typically built my own here with mount DVD.
mercutio - was me
fixed now
8.4 DVD is selectable
don't need it for 9 or 10
[15:50]
mercutiocool. [15:50]
RandalSchwartzdisc1 has fixit shell
and nobody should be building an 8.4 machine within a month of EOL :)
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grodyim gonna miss 8.x [15:51]
RandalSchwartzin fact. red.stonehenge.com is probably the last 8.x machine here. :)
I'm gonna push it to 9 in a week or two
[15:51]
mercutioi dunno why they don't just do a 8.5 [15:51]
RandalSchwartzbecause 8.4 is eol [15:52]
grodyjust spending time reading up on what else they've changed before i go into rebuilding my persyserver [15:52]
RandalSchwartzit has seen better days. [15:52]
grodyfreebsd do do weird numbering, but so does google with android [15:52]
RandalSchwartzheh... the girl I was chatting up at the bar just walked on her tab [15:52]
mercutiofreebsd's numbering is fine to me. [15:52]
m0undsthe only weird android thing was 3.x [15:52]
RandalSchwartzbut the bar has the last laugh, they have her CC. [15:52]
grodyhah [15:53]
m0undswhoops
hahah
[15:53]
grodytbh, i have unintentionally walked out on tabs before (usually when i get called off in a rush) [15:53]
RandalSchwartzI think they put an automatic 25% service fee on walks as well [15:53]
grodybut i always go back as soon as i can [15:53]
RandalSchwartzsome sign around here says that [15:53]
grodyouch [15:53]
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grodyyou wooed her so much, she wandered off in a fluster [15:54]
RandalSchwartzno... that's never the case.
she had to be somewhere at 5pm for a job
and she was yelling at her boss for scheduling her.
definitely not altogether there.
so she's yelling at him on the phone, and says "I gotta take this outside"
that was 20 minutes ago :)
[15:55]
mercutiowho goes to a bar during the daytime? [15:56]
RandalSchwartzI hope you don't expect an answer to that. :) [15:56]
mercutioheh
a little provocative :)
[15:56]
grodyi sometimes work from a bar [15:57]
mercutioahh the english do :)
although isn't that usually pubs?
[15:57]
grodylol yea [15:57]
mercutiohere bar usually means more nightclubish [15:57]
grodywe do have some nice pubs though, not very many i trust getting out my laptop/tablet/phone etc. [15:58]
mercutiomore drinking orientated than food etc.
i hate getting a laptop out in public
[15:58]
grodyahh, pubs here do it all really.. during the day sorta like a cafe/pub/resteraunt and at night the boozer [15:58]
mercutioheh anywhere called a pub here would have terrible coffee :) [15:59]
grodymy local has a cool little seat, wall to my back and camera looking over at me from other end.. no snoopers and anyone knicking it has to get oassed the bar
yea the coffee isn't all too great
few shots of whiskey usually fixes that though
[15:59]
mercutiohardly anyone here seems to have laptops at cafe's
but occassionally you see someone
and i did it once
[16:00]
grodycrap, gonna have to wait til payday to get this new vps
thought i had money left on the naughty card.. bloody missus
[16:00]
mercutioyou don't want to uuse any wifi they may provide though
it'll be worse than mobile tethering
[16:00]
grodynah the wifis i wouldn't trust
open and can be seen by anyone in shot, not even comfortable using my vpn over it
usually have my own 3G hotspot or unlimited mobile data on the phone and just tether
i do like my little 3g router.. it gets very warm and makes a brilliant pocket warmer on a cold day
[16:00]
mercutiomy cellphone seems to bug out sometimes and get really warm in my pocket
bloody annoying
[16:02]
RandalSchwartzheh... the bar owner and bartender are laughing
this girl gave me all her contact info including friending me on facebok
[16:03]
grodymessage her to tell her she left her card and unpaid bill [16:04]
RandalSchwartzso I've given that all to them... I wonder if she'll have legal ramifications for walking out [16:04]
grodydont know about US law, but in UK, if it was genuinely an accident, it wont matter.. usually they pre-auth the card on tabs here, so if you do walk out they have a right to charge your card without your pin or signature [16:05]
mercutioshe may be back [16:05]
RandalSchwartzno... she had to be at her other job at 5pm
and was already looking at mass-transit schedules
[16:05]
mercutiobut the next day [16:06]
RandalSchwartzwell - that'll be for the judge to decide [16:06]
mercutiowhat? [16:06]
RandalSchwartzdunno if I said this, but the mayor of this city *owns* this bar [16:06]
mercutioshe may just do the right thing [16:06]
RandalSchwartzshe's messing with the mayor [16:06]
mercutiois this the same bar you say the mayor at? [16:06]
RandalSchwartzher credit card was declined
yes
[16:07]
mercutiowe pay $25 for declined credit card here [16:07]
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grodypainful
usually the embarassment is enough here
[16:11]
RandalSchwartzI would message her, but I don't want to spoil the surprise that the bar is likely to loft on her. :) [16:13]
grodythat's just mean [16:14]
RandalSchwartzhey... just met her. and she was LA-bat-crap-crazy
just chatting about that with the bartender.
she saw me on facebook, and said "you should be my friend"
that was completely unsolicitied
then she pointed me at one of her business websites, and within two clicks, I had NSFW pics, which I had to immediately close.
[16:15]
grodyhmm, i wont diss hyper-v again.. in windows 10, it is creaming for a freebsd guest
it feels near native when i run freebsd on host
as when*
[16:16]
RandalSchwartzrenoni.net - click portfoloi
whoa. her phone number is in the whois for that
[16:17]
grodyheh
why i ♥ .uk domains, can have all persy info witheld
[16:18]
RandalSchwartzyou can do that here too with the right registrar [16:18]
grodyjust go to watch out for nominet police, they like to suspend domains because they can't verify personal details in their records
the records they use are far from reliable too
[16:19]
m0undsyea, gandi offers free obfuscation for certain domain types
i use it on my .nets
[16:20]
grodyphone records, if you are x-directory, wont show. Sole traders don't show up in public records and persons on the voters register can opt out of an edited register, which anyone can see (the edited version), opt out and you don't appear on it
.net (.net.uk) here have to be registered to companies with intent to use them for naming networking devices
ofc i can just register out in US for a .net instead and not need that
im actually still surprised nominet have allowed a domain i do use for network naming has a totally abstract postal address and contact information, but a valid contact email and phone number
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m0undsi hate mouse shopping [16:31]
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RandalSchwartzshopping for a mouse
shopping with a mouse?
shopping on behalf of a mouse?
RandalSchwartz hasn't used a mouse in years
[16:38]
m0undsm0unds uses a mouse every day [16:39]
RandalSchwartza mouse would take my hands too far away from the keyboard
I'm not sure how people put up with that kind of delay
[16:39]
m0undssomehow, i manage [16:40]
acf__trackpoint ftw! [16:44]
m0undshaha, mousenipple [16:45]
RandalSchwartzI mean my primary machines have all had trackpads since 1993 or so.
heh... bartender just bought me a shot of jamieson for helping them out
[16:48]
m0undsi work on a desktop and a laptop and the laptop naturally uses a trackpad [16:51]
RandalSchwartzand he tells me the owner/mayor is definitely worked up, and will push hard to resolution [16:51]
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mercutioRandalSchwartz: 10keyless keyboard maybe? [16:59]
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RandalSchwartzmercutio what? [17:13]
mercutioRandalSchwartz: no numeric pad so mouse is closer. [17:13]
RandalSchwartzI've never owned a machine with a numeric pad
No - I take that back. My Sol-20 had that
... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Processor_Technology#/media/File:Processor_Technology_SOL_20_Computer.jpg
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BryceBotProcessor Technology :: Processor Technology Corporation was a personal computer company founded in April 1975 by Gary Ingram and Bob Marsh in Berkeley, California. Their first product was a 4K byte RAM board that was compatible with the MITS Altair 8800 computer but more reliable than the MITS board. This was followed by a series of memory and I/O boards including a video display module. Popular Electronics magazine wanted a feature article... [17:14]
RandalSchwartzI still have that machine in storage! [17:14]
mercutioi only have one 10keyless keyboard.
i dununo why they call them 10keyless
becuase they skip like 17 keys
[17:21]
RandalSchwartzstill never understood a keyboard with such redundancy [17:24]
mercutioi like the right enter key
can use it with the right left thuumb from mouse
helpful for urls that complete
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m0undsmy kb is 10keyless
i like having the extra space on my desk
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mercutioi haev 10keyless in my other area
i've been thinking about swapping to it
cos it's mx brown vs mx red, and i keep typoing
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m0undsmy desk just isn't very big, and i only occasionally used the 10key at all. i had a little slim backlit keyboard for a long time (branded by creative labs, but i don't remember the oem) and it didn't have a 10key either
i'm trying out a steelseries mouse because it was the most comfortable for my big, stupid hands
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mercutiomy desk is huge, but i like having useful things nearby.
i tried having 3 monitors for a while, and while it fits ok, it's just much more comfortable condensing.
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RandalSchwartzI can't imagine having anything more than my single laptop screen. [18:25]
m0undsi gave up my second display because i just didn't use it often enough [18:25]
mercutioi'm using a steelseries mouse
ahh i usue two all the time
3 i used a lot too
but it's hard to look from 1st to 3rd
oh hangon it's corsair, not steelseries
i had a steelseries mouse pad
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m0undsi had a silly number of monitors at my old workplace [18:26]
mercutiobut i've shifted to razor golaithus
i have heaps of monitors here, :/
i have uhh 3 .. 4.. 5.. 7?
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m0undsi had 5 at one point, it was obnoxious [18:26]
mercutiobut i only use 2+1 [18:26]
m0unds2 for surv env and 3 for workstation [18:26]
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mercutioi even downsized my monitor in my test area.
just because it's more convenient
it's a really cheap 24" ips.
or maybe 22"
must be 22"
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mercutioi can't stand laptops.
there's just not enough desktop space etc.
fans always spinning up and down
m0unds: how well do you find 3 monitors works for you?
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m0undsit was alright for what i was doing at the time, but it's utter overkill for anything else
i had 5 on my desk, 3 on arms, two on the desk
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mercutioi found with 3 monitors i really had to be careful about things that would show on the screen
like if something's always updating it's distracting
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m0undssurv env stuff on my far left, incident tracker on the leftmost workstation monitor, browsing or reading stuff in the center and logging stuff on the right
yeah, i agree
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mercutiowell something like mtr isn't too bad, but anything that makes "big" differences [18:30]
m0undsyea, my incident tracker had flashing stuff [18:30]
mercutiobecause it can end up on your peripheral vision it's like much more distracting.
i hide this irc window sometimes :)
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RandalSchwartzheh... the mayor just picked up a guy passed out on the sidewalk across the street
people in here were gonna call 911
*there* is a proactive mayor
[18:51]
mercutioweird
you wouldn't think of a mayor of being at all proactive :)
[18:51]
RandalSchwartzyeah - this guy is pretty f'ing cool
I can see how he ended up being the mayor
sadly, he's 3 years younger than me, and sometimes I think people like him are a lot more accomplished than me.
but then I think... ok, how many google hits for his name vs mine.
or... does he have a wikipedia page? :)
there are clearly some ways that I have permanently impacted the world.
[18:52]
mercutionormally a mayor wouldn't own a bar either. [18:54]
RandalSchwartzif I was mayor, I'd do that. :) [18:54]
mercutioheh [18:54]
RandalSchwartzhe's trusted by the local business community because of that
part of how he got elected
just like mayor bud clark in portland
.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bud_Clark
[18:54]
BryceBotError in Wikipedia's response: [18:55]
mercutiorandal is a hacker i see :)
geek cruises?
[18:56]
RandalSchwartzwhat? [18:59]
mercutioit says you've been on every geek cruise?
although the link goes from geekcruises.com redirecting to insightcruises.com
which seems to have a cruise every month..
[18:59]
RandalSchwartzI've been on 65-ish of the 83-ish events [19:01]
mercutiowow [19:01]
RandalSchwartzexact numbers would require me opening a numbers spreadsheet :) [19:01]
mercutioi was just lokoing at your web page
you made it so encouraging to stalk you :)
[19:01]
RandalSchwartzyeah. I like friends. [19:02]
mercutioso is geek cruise and insightcruuise the same thing? [19:03]
RandalSchwartzgeekcruise original name. insightcruise modern name
geekcruise was more about neil promoted cruises.
insightcruise about partnered events
magazine provides two pages of ads per month...
neil runs the show
they split the profits
before that, neil bought ads, and showed up at conferences.
[19:03]
mercutioi noticed new zealand was on it heh [19:04]
RandalSchwartzmuch better now [19:04]
mercutiowell on insight [19:04]
RandalSchwartzYeah - I'm not on that one
cannot get a reliable ETA to their
there
[19:05]
mercutioyeah i imagine it's too far away :) [19:05]
RandalSchwartzno - not too far away [19:05]
mercutiooh? [19:05]
RandalSchwartzbut last few times I've tried for ETA to Oz, failed. [19:05]
mercutiofor flying there? [19:05]
RandalSchwartzso I'm not trying any more
yeah
[19:05]
mercutioweird
it's pretty easy to fly to australia from here :)
[19:06]
RandalSchwartzeven though I've been in Oz six times already [19:06]
mercutioi have no idea what it's like from US
well i sort of know a bit
ie you have to get to california first
[19:06]
RandalSchwartzI haven't tried in past two years... might give it a go someday soon.
maybe next year.
[19:07]
OK - I just applied for an ETA
if that works, I may be coming to new zealand!
[19:16]
mercutiohaha
i'm biased, but i think nz is pretty cool
[19:16]
RandalSchwartzvery likely though they'll just deny it, as they have. [19:16]
mercutiohow does that eta stuff work?
is that like a travel agent?
[19:17]
RandalSchwartzETA = electronic travel authorization
it's like a visa, but easier to apply for
[19:18]
mercutiooh
i thought it meant estimated time of arrival :)
[19:18]
RandalSchwartzno [19:18]
mercutiook that's why i didn't understand. [19:19]
RandalSchwartzUS to AU can use ETA's [19:19]
mercutiois it because you were a hacker? [19:19]
RandalSchwartzbut I keep getting denied
felon
apparently AU has full felon quota :)
[19:19]
mercutioi thought it got wiped? [19:19]
RandalSchwartzyeah, but only at the state level [19:19]
mercutionz has these clean slate laws, so you could probably get in anyway [19:19]
RandalSchwartzat the federal level, I'm still apparently infringed. [19:19]
mercutiobut australia may be more difficult. [19:20]
RandalSchwartzwell, we'll see :)
it's been a couple years since I've tried
but I still have the same passport number as when I tried before.
maybe in 5 years when I have a new passport numebr?
[19:20]
mercutioclean slate for australia comes up with tatto removal etc.
so if they do have something similar it's called something different
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