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| RandalSchwartz | I realize up_the_irons doesn't have the bandwidth to email every customer before rebooting their boxes, but I wish he would at least announce it here.
we've had the second spooky reboot so far. and not a peep. | [09:02] |
| mnathani_ | I got an email
2 actually one for my customer Subject: ARP Networks, Inc. EMERGENCY Maintenance Notice | [09:03] |
| m0unds | yea, i got one too | [09:04] |
| mnathani_ | kvr 09, 14, 15, 16 | [09:04] |
| RandalSchwartz | well - I got nothing. Would have been nice to at least flag it out in nagios so pagerduty wasn't screaming. | [09:04] |
| m0unds | last night was 03, 04, 17, 22, 23, 24 | [09:04] |
| RandalSchwartz | some of those sound familiar... although I can never keep track of them any more. :)
yeah... chris1 is on 24... that explains last night chris0 is on 13... that was a couple of nights ago mabel is on 7... must not have happened yet. | [09:05] |
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| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: we actually did send emails | [10:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | hmm.
maybe to neil. :) | [10:14] |
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| grody | dang.. my little trick didn't work
was hoping my vps went into hibernation when the acpi shutdown was sent, and resumed when powered back up another thing that doesn't work as it did in 8.x | [15:22] |
| __pyro__ | I got an email yesterday about maintenance window, but it's not 12pm utc yet and the thing is unreachable | [15:23] |
| mercutio | it may be an error on your system, try vnc'ing to it. | [15:25] |
| grody | hmm, odd.. mine seemed to have rebooted 10 hours ago, but looking at the email, it's due in just over half hour | [15:25] |
| m0unds | 12PM UTC on 5/17 was 0600 MDT
which was..10 hrs ago | [15:25] |
| mercutio | my system didn't appear to fsck, but i had no /bsd, only /bsd.mp and openbsd didn't boot the /bsd.mp | [15:26] |
| grody | it's 11:24PM BST (UTC+1) on 17th May atm | [15:26] |
| mercutio | i haven't seen the more recent email. my vps was in the earlier window. | [15:27] |
| grody | hmm, might still get chance to test | [15:27] |
| m0unds | yea, mine was overnight | [15:28] |
| grody | oh right, mine was done at lunch time | [15:35] |
| __pyro__ | everything looks good from vnc | [15:35] |
| grody | my head is so not working tonight | [15:35] |
| mercutio | including networking? | [15:35] |
| __pyro__ | but none of my tcp things connect
i don't know how to debug networking really :( | [15:35] |
| mercutio | can you get out?
can you ping 4.2.2.1 or such | [15:35] |
| __pyro__ | that works | [15:36] |
| grody | without firing up a browser.. how much would a real small VPS (single core, smallest disk possible (5GB would be enough) and a handful of RAM (256MB)?
nvm.. the small package would do the trick | [15:42] |
| RandalSchwartz | I think $20 is the minimum | [15:43] |
| grody | $10 one atm | [15:43] |
| RandalSchwartz | oh
$5 at digitalocean.com with 20GB of SSD and 512M ram. and it would launch in 55 seconds. | [15:43] |
| grody | nah will need it here, ideally want it to run pfsense on, then allocate other VMs behind it | [15:44] |
| RandalSchwartz | there's no way garry can compete with that. :) | [15:44] |
| grody | grody likes here | [15:45] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [15:45] |
| RandalSchwartz | except on one aspect... they won't do ZFS for the FreeBSD.
I've asked, but not yet. and they don't have "boot from fixit shell" so if you hose your /, you're dead. | [15:45] |
| grody | would digitalocean let you run a pfsense vm, then let you network other vm's behind it, with a /48 block routed to you and any IP4s you have too? | [15:47] |
| mercutio | RandalSchwartz: zfs takes up more ram
i thjink the fixit shell for freebsd got fixed. | [15:47] |
| grody | fixit shell? | [15:48] |
| RandalSchwartz | not sure | [15:48] |
| mercutio | there was a problem with the freebsd install iso not having rescue shell | [15:48] |
| grody | ah | [15:49] |
| RandalSchwartz | fixit shell = boot off the DVD and attack your broken disk | [15:49] |
| mercutio | zfs root on freebsd would be cool. | [15:49] |
| grody | was gonna say, just boot the vDVD and break your way out of installer into a shell | [15:49] |
| mercutio | i just don't know how well it'd work on the smallest instances. | [15:49] |
| RandalSchwartz | well - DO doesn't let you mount a DVD. | [15:50] |
| mercutio | oh you wer talking about do | [15:50] |
| RandalSchwartz | so you're limited to their configurations. | [15:50] |
| mercutio | someone was complaining about arp having issues with freebsd rescue shells | [15:50] |
| RandalSchwartz | yes... I've typically built my own here with mount DVD.
mercutio - was me fixed now 8.4 DVD is selectable don't need it for 9 or 10 | [15:50] |
| mercutio | cool. | [15:50] |
| RandalSchwartz | disc1 has fixit shell
and nobody should be building an 8.4 machine within a month of EOL :) | [15:50] |
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| grody | im gonna miss 8.x | [15:51] |
| RandalSchwartz | in fact. red.stonehenge.com is probably the last 8.x machine here. :)
I'm gonna push it to 9 in a week or two | [15:51] |
| mercutio | i dunno why they don't just do a 8.5 | [15:51] |
| RandalSchwartz | because 8.4 is eol | [15:52] |
| grody | just spending time reading up on what else they've changed before i go into rebuilding my persyserver | [15:52] |
| RandalSchwartz | it has seen better days. | [15:52] |
| grody | freebsd do do weird numbering, but so does google with android | [15:52] |
| RandalSchwartz | heh... the girl I was chatting up at the bar just walked on her tab | [15:52] |
| mercutio | freebsd's numbering is fine to me. | [15:52] |
| m0unds | the only weird android thing was 3.x | [15:52] |
| RandalSchwartz | but the bar has the last laugh, they have her CC. | [15:52] |
| grody | hah | [15:53] |
| m0unds | whoops
hahah | [15:53] |
| grody | tbh, i have unintentionally walked out on tabs before (usually when i get called off in a rush) | [15:53] |
| RandalSchwartz | I think they put an automatic 25% service fee on walks as well | [15:53] |
| grody | but i always go back as soon as i can | [15:53] |
| RandalSchwartz | some sign around here says that | [15:53] |
| grody | ouch | [15:53] |
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| grody | you wooed her so much, she wandered off in a fluster | [15:54] |
| RandalSchwartz | no... that's never the case.
she had to be somewhere at 5pm for a job and she was yelling at her boss for scheduling her. definitely not altogether there. so she's yelling at him on the phone, and says "I gotta take this outside" that was 20 minutes ago :) | [15:55] |
| mercutio | who goes to a bar during the daytime? | [15:56] |
| RandalSchwartz | I hope you don't expect an answer to that. :) | [15:56] |
| mercutio | heh
a little provocative :) | [15:56] |
| grody | i sometimes work from a bar | [15:57] |
| mercutio | ahh the english do :)
although isn't that usually pubs? | [15:57] |
| grody | lol yea | [15:57] |
| mercutio | here bar usually means more nightclubish | [15:57] |
| grody | we do have some nice pubs though, not very many i trust getting out my laptop/tablet/phone etc. | [15:58] |
| mercutio | more drinking orientated than food etc.
i hate getting a laptop out in public | [15:58] |
| grody | ahh, pubs here do it all really.. during the day sorta like a cafe/pub/resteraunt and at night the boozer | [15:58] |
| mercutio | heh anywhere called a pub here would have terrible coffee :) | [15:59] |
| grody | my local has a cool little seat, wall to my back and camera looking over at me from other end.. no snoopers and anyone knicking it has to get oassed the bar
yea the coffee isn't all too great few shots of whiskey usually fixes that though | [15:59] |
| mercutio | hardly anyone here seems to have laptops at cafe's
but occassionally you see someone and i did it once | [16:00] |
| grody | crap, gonna have to wait til payday to get this new vps
thought i had money left on the naughty card.. bloody missus | [16:00] |
| mercutio | you don't want to uuse any wifi they may provide though
it'll be worse than mobile tethering | [16:00] |
| grody | nah the wifis i wouldn't trust
open and can be seen by anyone in shot, not even comfortable using my vpn over it usually have my own 3G hotspot or unlimited mobile data on the phone and just tether i do like my little 3g router.. it gets very warm and makes a brilliant pocket warmer on a cold day | [16:00] |
| mercutio | my cellphone seems to bug out sometimes and get really warm in my pocket
bloody annoying | [16:02] |
| RandalSchwartz | heh... the bar owner and bartender are laughing
this girl gave me all her contact info including friending me on facebok | [16:03] |
| grody | message her to tell her she left her card and unpaid bill | [16:04] |
| RandalSchwartz | so I've given that all to them... I wonder if she'll have legal ramifications for walking out | [16:04] |
| grody | dont know about US law, but in UK, if it was genuinely an accident, it wont matter.. usually they pre-auth the card on tabs here, so if you do walk out they have a right to charge your card without your pin or signature | [16:05] |
| mercutio | she may be back | [16:05] |
| RandalSchwartz | no... she had to be at her other job at 5pm
and was already looking at mass-transit schedules | [16:05] |
| mercutio | but the next day | [16:06] |
| RandalSchwartz | well - that'll be for the judge to decide | [16:06] |
| mercutio | what? | [16:06] |
| RandalSchwartz | dunno if I said this, but the mayor of this city *owns* this bar | [16:06] |
| mercutio | she may just do the right thing | [16:06] |
| RandalSchwartz | she's messing with the mayor | [16:06] |
| mercutio | is this the same bar you say the mayor at? | [16:06] |
| RandalSchwartz | her credit card was declined
yes | [16:07] |
| mercutio | we pay $25 for declined credit card here | [16:07] |
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| grody | painful
usually the embarassment is enough here | [16:11] |
| RandalSchwartz | I would message her, but I don't want to spoil the surprise that the bar is likely to loft on her. :) | [16:13] |
| grody | that's just mean | [16:14] |
| RandalSchwartz | hey... just met her. and she was LA-bat-crap-crazy
just chatting about that with the bartender. she saw me on facebook, and said "you should be my friend" that was completely unsolicitied then she pointed me at one of her business websites, and within two clicks, I had NSFW pics, which I had to immediately close. | [16:15] |
| grody | hmm, i wont diss hyper-v again.. in windows 10, it is creaming for a freebsd guest
it feels near native when i run freebsd on host as when* | [16:16] |
| RandalSchwartz | renoni.net - click portfoloi
whoa. her phone number is in the whois for that | [16:17] |
| grody | heh
why i ♥ .uk domains, can have all persy info witheld | [16:18] |
| RandalSchwartz | you can do that here too with the right registrar | [16:18] |
| grody | just go to watch out for nominet police, they like to suspend domains because they can't verify personal details in their records
the records they use are far from reliable too | [16:19] |
| m0unds | yea, gandi offers free obfuscation for certain domain types
i use it on my .nets | [16:20] |
| grody | phone records, if you are x-directory, wont show. Sole traders don't show up in public records and persons on the voters register can opt out of an edited register, which anyone can see (the edited version), opt out and you don't appear on it
.net (.net.uk) here have to be registered to companies with intent to use them for naming networking devices ofc i can just register out in US for a .net instead and not need that im actually still surprised nominet have allowed a domain i do use for network naming has a totally abstract postal address and contact information, but a valid contact email and phone number | [16:20] |
| m0unds | i hate mouse shopping | [16:31] |
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| RandalSchwartz | shopping for a mouse
shopping with a mouse? shopping on behalf of a mouse? RandalSchwartz hasn't used a mouse in years | [16:38] |
| m0unds | m0unds uses a mouse every day | [16:39] |
| RandalSchwartz | a mouse would take my hands too far away from the keyboard
I'm not sure how people put up with that kind of delay | [16:39] |
| m0unds | somehow, i manage | [16:40] |
| acf__ | trackpoint ftw! | [16:44] |
| m0unds | haha, mousenipple | [16:45] |
| RandalSchwartz | I mean my primary machines have all had trackpads since 1993 or so.
heh... bartender just bought me a shot of jamieson for helping them out | [16:48] |
| m0unds | i work on a desktop and a laptop and the laptop naturally uses a trackpad | [16:51] |
| RandalSchwartz | and he tells me the owner/mayor is definitely worked up, and will push hard to resolution | [16:51] |
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| mercutio | RandalSchwartz: 10keyless keyboard maybe? | [16:59] |
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| RandalSchwartz | mercutio what? | [17:13] |
| mercutio | RandalSchwartz: no numeric pad so mouse is closer. | [17:13] |
| RandalSchwartz | I've never owned a machine with a numeric pad
No - I take that back. My Sol-20 had that ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Processor_Technology#/media/File:Processor_Technology_SOL_20_Computer.jpg | [17:14] |
| BryceBot | Processor Technology :: Processor Technology Corporation was a personal computer company founded in April 1975 by Gary Ingram and Bob Marsh in Berkeley, California. Their first product was a 4K byte RAM board that was compatible with the MITS Altair 8800 computer but more reliable than the MITS board. This was followed by a series of memory and I/O boards including a video display module. Popular Electronics magazine wanted a feature article... | [17:14] |
| RandalSchwartz | I still have that machine in storage! | [17:14] |
| mercutio | i only have one 10keyless keyboard.
i dununo why they call them 10keyless becuase they skip like 17 keys | [17:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | still never understood a keyboard with such redundancy | [17:24] |
| mercutio | i like the right enter key
can use it with the right left thuumb from mouse helpful for urls that complete | [17:25] |
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| m0unds | my kb is 10keyless
i like having the extra space on my desk | [18:19] |
| mercutio | i haev 10keyless in my other area
i've been thinking about swapping to it cos it's mx brown vs mx red, and i keep typoing | [18:21] |
| m0unds | my desk just isn't very big, and i only occasionally used the 10key at all. i had a little slim backlit keyboard for a long time (branded by creative labs, but i don't remember the oem) and it didn't have a 10key either
i'm trying out a steelseries mouse because it was the most comfortable for my big, stupid hands | [18:22] |
| mercutio | my desk is huge, but i like having useful things nearby.
i tried having 3 monitors for a while, and while it fits ok, it's just much more comfortable condensing. | [18:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | I can't imagine having anything more than my single laptop screen. | [18:25] |
| m0unds | i gave up my second display because i just didn't use it often enough | [18:25] |
| mercutio | i'm using a steelseries mouse
ahh i usue two all the time 3 i used a lot too but it's hard to look from 1st to 3rd oh hangon it's corsair, not steelseries i had a steelseries mouse pad | [18:25] |
| m0unds | i had a silly number of monitors at my old workplace | [18:26] |
| mercutio | but i've shifted to razor golaithus
i have heaps of monitors here, :/ i have uhh 3 .. 4.. 5.. 7? | [18:26] |
| m0unds | i had 5 at one point, it was obnoxious | [18:26] |
| mercutio | but i only use 2+1 | [18:26] |
| m0unds | 2 for surv env and 3 for workstation | [18:26] |
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| mercutio | i even downsized my monitor in my test area.
just because it's more convenient it's a really cheap 24" ips. or maybe 22" must be 22" | [18:27] |
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| mercutio | i can't stand laptops.
there's just not enough desktop space etc. fans always spinning up and down m0unds: how well do you find 3 monitors works for you? | [18:27] |
| m0unds | it was alright for what i was doing at the time, but it's utter overkill for anything else
i had 5 on my desk, 3 on arms, two on the desk | [18:28] |
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| mercutio | i found with 3 monitors i really had to be careful about things that would show on the screen
like if something's always updating it's distracting | [18:29] |
| m0unds | surv env stuff on my far left, incident tracker on the leftmost workstation monitor, browsing or reading stuff in the center and logging stuff on the right
yeah, i agree | [18:29] |
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| mercutio | well something like mtr isn't too bad, but anything that makes "big" differences | [18:30] |
| m0unds | yea, my incident tracker had flashing stuff | [18:30] |
| mercutio | because it can end up on your peripheral vision it's like much more distracting.
i hide this irc window sometimes :) | [18:30] |
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| RandalSchwartz | heh... the mayor just picked up a guy passed out on the sidewalk across the street
people in here were gonna call 911 *there* is a proactive mayor | [18:51] |
| mercutio | weird
you wouldn't think of a mayor of being at all proactive :) | [18:51] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah - this guy is pretty f'ing cool
I can see how he ended up being the mayor sadly, he's 3 years younger than me, and sometimes I think people like him are a lot more accomplished than me. but then I think... ok, how many google hits for his name vs mine. or... does he have a wikipedia page? :) there are clearly some ways that I have permanently impacted the world. | [18:52] |
| mercutio | normally a mayor wouldn't own a bar either. | [18:54] |
| RandalSchwartz | if I was mayor, I'd do that. :) | [18:54] |
| mercutio | heh | [18:54] |
| RandalSchwartz | he's trusted by the local business community because of that
part of how he got elected just like mayor bud clark in portland .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bud_Clark | [18:54] |
| BryceBot | Error in Wikipedia's response: | [18:55] |
| mercutio | randal is a hacker i see :)
geek cruises? | [18:56] |
| RandalSchwartz | what? | [18:59] |
| mercutio | it says you've been on every geek cruise?
although the link goes from geekcruises.com redirecting to insightcruises.com which seems to have a cruise every month.. | [18:59] |
| RandalSchwartz | I've been on 65-ish of the 83-ish events | [19:01] |
| mercutio | wow | [19:01] |
| RandalSchwartz | exact numbers would require me opening a numbers spreadsheet :) | [19:01] |
| mercutio | i was just lokoing at your web page
you made it so encouraging to stalk you :) | [19:01] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah. I like friends. | [19:02] |
| mercutio | so is geek cruise and insightcruuise the same thing? | [19:03] |
| RandalSchwartz | geekcruise original name. insightcruise modern name
geekcruise was more about neil promoted cruises. insightcruise about partnered events magazine provides two pages of ads per month... neil runs the show they split the profits before that, neil bought ads, and showed up at conferences. | [19:03] |
| mercutio | i noticed new zealand was on it heh | [19:04] |
| RandalSchwartz | much better now | [19:04] |
| mercutio | well on insight | [19:04] |
| RandalSchwartz | Yeah - I'm not on that one
cannot get a reliable ETA to their there | [19:05] |
| mercutio | yeah i imagine it's too far away :) | [19:05] |
| RandalSchwartz | no - not too far away | [19:05] |
| mercutio | oh? | [19:05] |
| RandalSchwartz | but last few times I've tried for ETA to Oz, failed. | [19:05] |
| mercutio | for flying there? | [19:05] |
| RandalSchwartz | so I'm not trying any more
yeah | [19:05] |
| mercutio | weird
it's pretty easy to fly to australia from here :) | [19:06] |
| RandalSchwartz | even though I've been in Oz six times already | [19:06] |
| mercutio | i have no idea what it's like from US
well i sort of know a bit ie you have to get to california first | [19:06] |
| RandalSchwartz | I haven't tried in past two years... might give it a go someday soon.
maybe next year. | [19:07] |
| OK - I just applied for an ETA
if that works, I may be coming to new zealand! | [19:16] | |
| mercutio | haha
i'm biased, but i think nz is pretty cool | [19:16] |
| RandalSchwartz | very likely though they'll just deny it, as they have. | [19:16] |
| mercutio | how does that eta stuff work?
is that like a travel agent? | [19:17] |
| RandalSchwartz | ETA = electronic travel authorization
it's like a visa, but easier to apply for | [19:18] |
| mercutio | oh
i thought it meant estimated time of arrival :) | [19:18] |
| RandalSchwartz | no | [19:18] |
| mercutio | ok that's why i didn't understand. | [19:19] |
| RandalSchwartz | US to AU can use ETA's | [19:19] |
| mercutio | is it because you were a hacker? | [19:19] |
| RandalSchwartz | but I keep getting denied
felon apparently AU has full felon quota :) | [19:19] |
| mercutio | i thought it got wiped? | [19:19] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah, but only at the state level | [19:19] |
| mercutio | nz has these clean slate laws, so you could probably get in anyway | [19:19] |
| RandalSchwartz | at the federal level, I'm still apparently infringed. | [19:19] |
| mercutio | but australia may be more difficult. | [19:20] |
| RandalSchwartz | well, we'll see :)
it's been a couple years since I've tried but I still have the same passport number as when I tried before. maybe in 5 years when I have a new passport numebr? | [19:20] |
| mercutio | clean slate for australia comes up with tatto removal etc.
so if they do have something similar it's called something different | [19:21] |
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