#arpnetworks 2015-01-09,Fri

up_the_irons

i used reiser ages ago and it was good

mercutio

technoid_: last i knew it was being updated for new kernels. that was reiser4. i used reiser3.
iirc.

RandalSchwartz

too bad about reiser :)

technoid_

well, murdering your wife does tend to get in the way of development

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mercutio

as much as reiser seemed like a mad lunatic, for one guy to push something so strong and make so much impact i think it was significant.
technoid_: i'm not 100% convinced he did it.
but even if he did, the core issue is that it was reliant on him. it's the main issue of charismatic leadership.

[18:04]

technoid_

the bus principle

[18:05]

mercutio

steve jobs was pretty charismatic leadership orientated. i'm suprised apple has done so well in spite of his absence.
i think it's a bit different from the bus thing.

[18:06]

RandalSchwartz

more like a train thing

[18:06]

mercutio

the bus principle is only one person knows how to do something
the charismatic leadership is more like everyone gets direction from one person.
so in charismatic leadership people become like puppets. and the leader is the puppet master.

[18:06]

RandalSchwartz

and in the case of Puppet, doubly so. :)

[18:07]

mercutio

it's actually one of the most effective leadership styles when things are working well.
but if they die things tend to fail

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RandalSchwartz

"Prosecutors agreed to a deal whereby Reiser would reveal the location of his wife's body in exchange for pleading guilty to second-degree murder. "
seems like if he knew where the body was... he likely did it. :)

technoid_

yeah

mercutio

hmm
could be

technoid_

and who just randomly takes the passenger seat out of their car?

RandalSchwartz

and then puts it back in before 9 days later. :)
oh - and the timing of buying the socket set

[18:09]

mercutio

i didn't follow

[18:09]

RandalSchwartz

to remove the seat
and having the precise socket size on the wrench to remove the bolts of the seat. :)

[18:09]

mercutio

hmm apparnetly he tought she would harm their children
and the government wouldn't do shit.

technoid_

i believe he was afraid she would leave the country with them

mercutio

could be
maybe he was crazy

RandalSchwartz

yeah - still doesn't justify murder
although I can see it being a motivation

mercutio

there was also some hoo hah about the pgp author

technoid_

of course he was crazy, he wrote a filesystem

... https://www.flickr.com/photos/ronocdh/2651155110/

RandalSchwartz

but he didn't write *zfs*

[18:11]

mercutio

err phil zimmermann
randal: zfs was designed by committee
it's just an intellgient scientific committee

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RandalSchwartz

and yet, it's nearly sane. go figure.
I saw a screenshot where someone had added "designing this makes you kill your wife" for the wikipedia "filesystems" page
and "No" for all but reiserfs

[18:11]

mercutio

is it just me or does reiser kind of look like the openbsd guy
theo de raadt

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RandalSchwartz

a bit

[18:18]

mercutio

well different nationality

[18:18]

RandalSchwartz

I've met theo face-to-face
debating bsd vs gpl with aaron seigo in brazil

[18:18]

mercutio

wow.

RandalSchwartz

aaron being the kde guy

mercutio

sounds heated.

RandalSchwartz

of course, I was the one that dragged aaron over to theo :)

mercutio

i haven't met any interesting famous open source people
i'd like to meet uhh
that openbsd networks guy
yuhh

RandalSchwartz

I've done indoor racing with Linus
he uses the name "Tux" as his handle there

mercutio

i don't want to meet linus :)

RandalSchwartz

so he's the official "tux racer" :)

mercutio

something irks me about his mannerisms :)

RandalSchwartz

I've also beat him at 9-ball, but he consistently beats me at 8-ball.
for FLOSS Weekly, I've interviewed most of the most interesting people in OSS
the show is a privelege
privilege

merc2

Henning Brauer

[18:22]

mercutio

i still can't paste into this window

[18:22]

technoid_

I met Randal at Texas Linuxfest, but just in passing.

[18:22]

mercutio

and there was someone else too

[18:23]

technoid_

bob beck from obsd would be cool to meet

[18:23]

merc2

Claudio Jeker

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RandalSchwartz

yeah been trying to get beck on floss weekly for a while
a lot of people meet me in passing :)

[18:25]

merc2

oh i'd also like to meet the dragonflybsd guy

[18:26]

RandalSchwartz

we had the pcbsd guy on floss
and also the freebsd-as-firewall guy... forget the project

[18:26]

merc2

is pcbsd popular?
pfsense?

RandalSchwartz

yeah that

merc2

pfsense seems to be kind of popular.
i wish freebsd would update their pf version

RandalSchwartz

... http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/101

merc2

i read somewhere that there was some idea/notion about doing so

RandalSchwartz

I remember doing that show from florida
the problem is the new pf has an incompat syntax

merc2

yeah i tend to not watch videos

RandalSchwartz

I listen to the audio and ignore the video

merc2

i thought the problem was that freebsd screwed with the source in weird ways when they did their smp stuff

RandalSchwartz

but I tell my guests that most of the audience also does

merc2

i prefer to just read normally
transcripts for me :)

RandalSchwartz

so they have to describe things for the audio audience

merc2

scan for the good bits.

RandalSchwartz

yeah, I prefer text to audio or video
except when I'm on a plane or driving

merc2

i don't want hello how are you how is the weather :)

RandalSchwartz

hey - we keep floss weekly tight. :)
unlike many of the other twit shows

technoid_

there is a new pfsense ofrk called opnsense
s/ofrk/fork/

merc2

based on openbsd?

BryceBot

<technoid_> there is a new pfsense fork called opnsense

merc2

there are advertisements for cachefly
hmm

technoid_

no, it is on fbsd

merc2

the cruise was wonderful my mom enjoyed...

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RandalSchwartz

I wonder why pfsense was forked
pfsense seemed to be on the right track

merc2

it seems like the kind of thing that woudl be forked for no good reason.

technoid_

i caught atweet about there being some hate between the fbsd community and pfsense

merc2

maybe they just wanted to change direction a bit.

RandalSchwartz

ahh... answering my comment - http://opnsense.org/about/about-opnsense/

merc2

oh i thought you mistyped it ;)

RandalSchwartz

I remember chuckling with a guy from france because he created a linux distro called "frog linux" with a frog as a logo.
oddly enough, he couldn't understand my amusement.

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merc2

i don't get the amusement either?
it sounds no worse than mint linux to me

[18:34]

RandalSchwartz

the derogatory term in the US for frenchmen is frogs.

merc2

oh
yeah i haven't heard that

RandalSchwartz

neither had he
hence my chuckle

merc2

:)
yeh i get it now

... http://www.knowswhy.com/why-are-french-called-frogs/

RandalSchwartz

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merc2

do you have the term chinks there?
so it'd be like having chink linux here.

RandalSchwartz

"there"? Where are you?

merc2

by chinese.
new zealand.

RandalSchwartz

oh. yeah, and also a derogatory term
and yes.
although I don't think "chink" would make a good logo

merc2

heh

RandalSchwartz

not as good as the frog logo for "frog linux" :)

merc2

i'm trying to think what other one there is

RandalSchwartz

n-word linux :)

merc2

heh
nigger is positive here
probably because of lack of hate crime here

[18:39]

RandalSchwartz

some day, I hope to visit the land of the kiwi
but since I'm not allowed in the land of the felons, it will be hard.

[18:40]

merc2

what?

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RandalSchwartz

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merc2

oh cool, australia is the prison colony not nz
but yeah, why aren't you allowed in oz?

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RandalSchwartz

because I'm a felon, and they've met their quota, apparently.

merc2

technoid_

they never did take that off your record?

merc2

from how many years ago?
i think they generally allow felons here.

RandalSchwartz

in the US, I'm legally allowed to tell everyone "I've never been convicted of a crime"

merc2

at leats to visit and as long as it's not recent

RandalSchwartz

so yes, the record is expunged.
but foreign governments have their own memories and rules.
I'm also not allowed in Canada

merc2

people convicted of offences for which they have been imprisoned
were you imprisoned?

RandalSchwartz

never imprisoned, no.

merc2

charged or convicted of criminal offences over a set threshold .

RandalSchwartz

www.lightlink.com/fors for details

technoid_

I am not allowed to hold political office in Indiana because my charge was plead down to a Alternative Class A misdemenor

merc2

then it's just a question of whether you are over some threshold
we're pretty liberal here in general
you can probably apply if it fails automatically

RandalSchwartz

oddly enough, I've been in 50 countries since the conviction

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merc2

you don't even have to be a citizen to buy land

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RandalSchwartz

but only canada and australia give me grief.

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merc2

http://glossary.immigration.govt.nz/Goodcharacter.htm
so yeah you can't be imprisioned for more than 12 months in the last 10 years.
that seems pretty liberal to me.

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RandalSchwartz

yeah, could probably go to nz
provided I didn't connect in oz

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merc2

most flights dont' connect in australia
but most flights go via california
and california is closer to new zealand than australia.

[18:47]

RandalSchwartz

I heard stories about a guy getting on board a flight in san francisco to go to "oakland", but ended up in "auckland"

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merc2

ouch.
i'm in auckland

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RandalSchwartz

wait... california to new zealand is closer than australia to new zealand?
that doesn't make sense.

merc2

CaZe

RandalSchwartz: Full House.

technoid_

how far into the flight do you have to be before you know there is a problem?

merc2

than california to australia

RandalSchwartz

oh, well, of cours.e

merc2

well some people think differently because australia is further north
and you do have to go north
but the east outweighs it

RandalSchwartz

No... I can look at a globe. :)

merc2

well most people also don't realise how big africa is :)

RandalSchwartz

big enough for all those lions :)

merc2

technoid_: it doesn't really matter, once you're on the flight you can't get off.

technoid_

true

RandalSchwartz

and the sahara

... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_have_lived_at_airports

merc2

if he didn't have a passport
and had to stick around at the airport that'd suck.
actually auckland airport really sucks.
even if he had to stick around the airport or go somewhere close to the airport it still sucks.

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CaZe

RandalSchwartz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS_aZbtDeoQ

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BryceBot

YouTube News: "The Full House girls fly to Auckland" by dannewsservice (2m 43s), 10,076 views, 30 likes and 0 dislikes. Uploaded 2012-08-22T08:47:14.000Z.

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merc2

it's kind of lame that flights got sslower.
i'd much rather a 7 hour flight than a 14 hour one.
like what happened to concordes.

[18:51]

RandalSchwartz

better than that guy stuck at CDG for years.
... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehran_Karimi_Nasseri

[18:55]

BryceBot

Mehran Karimi Nasseri :: Mehran Karimi Nasseri (مهران کریمی ناصری pronounced [mehˈrɒn kʲæriˈmi nɒseˈri]; born 1942), also known as Sir, Alfred Mehran, is an Iranian refugee who lived in the departure lounge of Terminal One in Charles de Gaulle Airport from 26 August 1988 until July 2006, when he was hospitalized for an unspecified ailment. His autobiography has been published as a book (The Terminal Man) and was the basis fo

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merc2

that's pretty amzing

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RandalSchwartz

BryceBot

List of people who have lived at airports :: This is a list of people notable for living for periods of more than a week in airports. The reasons are usually protests, asylum seeking or holiday difficulties. People who have lived at airports See also International zone Statelessness The Terminal Tombés du ciel References...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_have_lived_at_airports

merc2

BryceBot

merc2

haha
the only one onn that list from the US is snowden.