#arpnetworks 2014-11-26,Wed

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up_the_ironsanyone used these? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167192
looks like a wicked price for a 480GB SSD ($199)
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mhoranWhat's with the skull? Haha [06:17]
up_the_ironsit's hip brah
maybe this is better: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148821&cm_re=500gb_ssd-_-20-148-821-_-Product
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m0undsup_the_irons: anandtech seems to like that model w/caveats about hw crypto & power consumption [08:19]
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brycecOoooooooh that's shiny, 480GB for $200, good brand... [09:19]
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acf_we have our own tools for that anyway :P
oops wrong terminal :P
[10:25]
bryceclol [10:29]
mercutiowas that intel 730?
oh mx100
[10:42]
brycecmercutio: yes [10:43]
mercutiois also cheap [10:43]
brycec"Intel 730 Series" [10:43]
mercutioi was thinking of getting mx100s before
they have higher block size ;(
i kind of decided to wait.
i think they shifted to 16k block size from 8k block size
[10:43]
BryceBotThat's what she said!! [10:45]
mnathaniBrycebot: no [10:51]
BryceBotOh, okay... I'm sorry. 'i think they shifted to 16k block size from 8k block size' [10:51]
mercutiowhat happened to seagate 600s
last black friday they were really cheap iirc
but i had no idea if they were good
[10:55]
RandalSchwartzanyone here used ipmiview (java) before?
having trouble firing up the console.
[10:59]
mercutiooh god
that program is terrible :)
you mean the downloadable ipmi tool from supermicro right?
[11:00]
RandalSchwartzyeah, the 20 files or so [11:03]
mercutioyeah i didn't like it
try the commandline ipmitool
[11:04]
RandalSchwartzwhere do I get that?
and I need to see the screen
to see what went wrong if it won't reboot
[11:05]
mercutioit comes with most os's
except windows :)
setup serial console?
[11:05]
RandalSchwartzI don't know anything about serial consoles like this. [11:06]
brycechttp://www.paranoid.nl/~marieke/freebsd/ipmi/ipmicons.html should guide you on setting up the SoL console
(More recent FreeBSD's won't require recompiling the bootloader, according to http://serverfault.com/questions/574351/serial-over-lan-on-freebsd-10-0-with-supermicro-x9-scm-f)
[11:07]
RandalSchwartzGarry says "I used IPMIView. It's the "KVM Console" tab and then click "Launchr KVM Console". Do you see the row of tabs on the bottom after your login?r" [11:08]
brycecThe tl;dr of it is that the SoL enumerates as just another serial port, and setting up SoL on the server is no different than setting it up for a standard serial console. [11:09]
RandalSchwartzagain, something I'm not familiar with. [11:09]
brycec(Pffft what does "Garry" know, he's know up_the_irons </sarcasm>)
s/know/no/
[11:09]
BryceBot<brycec> (Pffft what does "Garry" no, he's no up_the_irons </sarcasm>) [11:09]
brycec(d'oh) [11:09]
RandalSchwartzI dont see the KVM Console tab this time
and the one time it showed up, when I clicked on it, and the screen opened and immediatley closed.
I tried that repeatedly.
now i'm not even sure how to get to there. :)
[11:09]
mercutioipmitool -L USER -I lanplus -H <ip> -U <user> -P <pass> sol activate
try that to access it
where ip is the ip of the vpn thingy
err through the vpn
and user and pass is listed on same page as ip
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RandalSchwartzInvalid privilege level USER
ahh, and my error message doesn't show -I anything
[11:14]
mercutiooh
i had to add -L USER in
maybe you don't need it?
[11:15]
RandalSchwartzwhen I remove -L USER, still balks at that -I [11:16]
mercutiodifferent implementations are different :)
it doesn't liek -I ?
[11:16]
RandalSchwartzoh I left out the IP [11:16]
mercutio-I intf Interface to use
wtf
[11:16]
RandalSchwartzNot in my error message [11:17]
mercutiooh
it doesn't mean physical interface
[11:17]
RandalSchwartzoooh... got this:
[SOL Session operational. Use ~? for help]
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mercutiosweet
you got it then
[11:17]
RandalSchwartzand then what? [11:17]
mercutionow you just haev to make sure it's outputting to serial :)
so you didn't need to use -L USER?
without it i get Set Session Privilege Level to ADMINISTRATOR failed: Unknown (0x80)
[11:17]
RandalSchwartzI hit return and it said ProcessSOLUserInput - entered
ProcessSOLUserInput - read 1 chars
no - didn't need the -L or -I
-L level Remote session privilege level [default=ADMINISTRATOR]
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RandalSchwartzis this supposed to show me something when it boots up? [11:19]
mercutiook :)
yeah
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RandalSchwartzhow do I get the same view as the VNC console [11:19]
mercutioand while in system
you don't :)
you setup your system for that
use the web interface to do the beginning bits
you're still struggling to get the web interface to go at all?
[11:19]
RandalSchwartzI can see the console
but I can't interact with it
[11:21]
mercutiowith the web interface?
i didn't actually try typing anything into it i think :)
[11:22]
RandalSchwartzHmm. now I can't find it again. silly web interface
oh, the first thing was "preview"
where am I supposed to be trying to type on the console?
[11:22]
mercutioremote control
console redirection -> launch console
[11:25]
RandalSchwartzI do that and nothing happens. [11:27]
BryceBotThat's what she said!! [11:27]
mercutiodoes it open a popup? [11:27]
RandalSchwartznope
nothing. nada.
[11:27]
mercutioit should have a launch.jlp or something file [11:27]
RandalSchwartz"have", as in how? in the window? [11:28]
mercutioit trys to download it in chrome for me
then you click on it
and it says it may harm your computer too :)
[11:28]
RandalSchwartzoh maybe it doesn't work in safari [11:28]
mercutiothen there's a black screen with some menus at top etc and you press a key
nah it should download the same i think
look at the downloads?
it's .jnlp
but you could try chrome if it's not coming up with a download or a pop up
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RandalSchwartzahh... chrome is better
I get launch.jnlp
[11:30]
mercutiook click on that [11:30]
RandalSchwartzbut now I can't open it as it is from an unidentified developer [11:30]
mercutioturn off the unidentified developer crap?
http://support.apple.com/kb/PH14369
[11:30]
RandalSchwartznow that doesn't open up. :) [11:31]
mercutioweird [11:31]
RandalSchwartzworked in chrome, not safari [11:31]
mercutiodoes your vpn try and default route ? [11:31]
RandalSchwartzI think this thing spooked safari :)
ok, reading that page, it's what I tried
[11:32]
mercutiosettings in security & privacy preferences allows you to run untrusted apps by default
which is probably good :)
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RandalSchwartzbut there's no java setting to allow this now. apple removed it. [11:33]
mercutiounless you're into the mac app store.
it's the general os x blocking afaik
android doesn't let you run untrusted apk's by default too
which is annoying if you want to sideload something not from app store, like from a recent build or such
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RandalSchwartzyes... the "medium" setting is now gone. [11:34]
mercutiofrom what i can tell it's not the java setting that it's hitting but the normal unidentified developer thing? [11:34]
RandalSchwartzanyway, can't run it [11:35]
mercutiothat's why i was saying you should disable normal os x blocking
which is under security & privacy preferences
[11:35]
RandalSchwartzI'm familiar with the other popup
this is specificially getting past that, and getting to a java exception
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mercutiooh [11:36]
RandalSchwartzjava used to have three levels
now just two
[11:36]
mercutioso now it's low and high? [11:36]
RandalSchwartzapple took away the bottom one for security reasons
yeah, just high and super-high
[11:36]
mercutioahh [11:36]
RandalSchwartzmedium is ogne
gone
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mercutiodamn
this sounds frustrating :)
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RandalSchwartzyou're telling me [11:36]
mercutiodo you have a windows vm? [11:37]
RandalSchwartzespecially when up_the_irons said he was able to get it to work
no... nothing windows
I want to watch him do it.
I no longer believe I have the same tools as what he says is working
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mercutiohe got it working on os x? [11:38]
RandalSchwartzand this is stopping two other important things
we need to upgrade openssh, and that's a core os thing
so I need to get the machine to freebsd 8.4 patch 19
but I don't dare update the kernel without a console
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mercutioyeah [11:38]
RandalSchwartzand eventually, this machine needs to be freebsd 10
or 11 if we wait long enough :)
[11:39]
mercutioit's 10.1 already i think [11:39]
RandalSchwartzwell 8.4 is EOLed in a few months
so I have to get this machine up
jun 2015 I think
[11:39]
mercutioi prefer the hp lights out
on freebsd i have console="comconsole" but it's on a hp system
in /boot/loader.conf
but freebsd disables normal console when enablign serial
that may have changed, but this is freebsd 9.2
[11:40]
RandalSchwartzyeah - I don't have any console="" there
just zfs and a few tunings for postgres
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mercutiooh i still do have normal console
i dunno why i thought i didn't
hp you can show text mode console withotu serial too :)
just with ssh
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brycecmercutio: "comconsole vidconsole" should enable both, according to the links I shared earlier [11:44]
mercutiobut yeah i'd try and get java workign first.
brycec: it seems i have both anyway?
[11:44]
brycecbrycec shrugs [11:44]
mercutioi really thought i didn't have both for some reason [11:44]
brycecbrycec has no ipmi boxes [11:44]
RandalSchwartz... https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/serialconsole-setup.html [11:45]
mercutioi hate ipmi
but i like it too
it's nice that there's a semi-standardised way for computers to get serial console etc.
but i find just having ssh easier
the recent hp stuff lets you stick your key on too
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BryceBotThat's what she said!! [11:48]
brycecHP stuff has ssh-on-bmc/ipmi?
(Or are we talking about http://www.xenoclast.org/nca/ now? :p)
[11:48]
mercutioyeah
dell and hp have had ssh for ages
[11:48]
bryceccool [11:49]
mercutioit's dropbear
actually it's romsshell
it seems
with the dropping prices of nand etc, i wouldn't be surprised if there's proper embedded servers etc soon with automatic updates and the like
[11:49]
m0undssaw some sandisk extreme ii 960GB disk for ~$499 usd [11:54]
mercutiowireless routers are already shifting to nand. nand has better wear leveling.
so doing updates all the time and treating them like a normal file system isn't so bad
[11:54]
RandalSchwartzugh... still have a bit of hangover, and it's noon already.
normally don't get hangovers, but drank some wine yesteray.
[12:06]
mercutiowine can be special like that
white wine can give me headaches when normal alcohol doesn't
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RandalSchwartzpdx sky club doesn't have hard liquor [12:07]
mercutioeven before the next day. [12:07]
RandalSchwartzjust beer/wine [12:07]
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acf_can anyone confirm Google's PMTU issue still exists?
it started for me long before anyone else..
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mnathaniDNS Made Easy sent this to me back in 2010 : http://pastebin.com/UceGKXpP [21:06]
mercutioi like it when people notify of issues
but what made you suddenly bring this up from years bacK? amazon's outage?
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mnathaniIt came up in a discussion I had with someone regarding how folks generally dont like disclosing issues
I think you mean Azure's outage
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mercutiocloudfront? [22:21]
mnathaninvm, I see the outage report now [22:23]
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mercutioso azure also had an outage today? [22:43]
seems samsung 850 pros are down in cost now [22:49]
mnathaniAzure was like a week / 10 days ago: http://azure.microsoft.com/blog/2014/11/19/update-on-azure-storage-service-interruption/ [22:55]
mercutioare any big web sites hosted on them?
i didn't notice anything
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mnathanihttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/11/azure-went-down-and-people-actually-noticed/ [22:55]
mercutioi do half remember hearing about azure problems at some point though [22:55]
BryceBotArs Technica: "Azure went down, and people actually noticed" [22:55]
mercutiowow people lost data in the azure thing [22:57]
mnathaniOne of the comments: "If you want to run a big portion of the Internet then you need to act like an infrastructure provider and not a desktop applications vendor. " [23:07]
mercutiohaha [23:11]

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