#arpnetworks 2014-11-26,Wed

i was thinking of getting mx100s before
they have higher block size ;(
i kind of decided to wait.
i think they shifted to 16k block size from 8k block size

[10:43]

BryceBot

That's what she said!!

[10:45]

mnathani

Brycebot: no

[10:51]

BryceBot

Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'i think they shifted to 16k block size from 8k block size'

[10:51]

mercutio

what happened to seagate 600s
last black friday they were really cheap iirc
but i had no idea if they were good

[10:55]

RandalSchwartz

anyone here used ipmiview (java) before?
having trouble firing up the console.

[10:59]

mercutio

oh god
that program is terrible :)
you mean the downloadable ipmi tool from supermicro right?

[11:00]

RandalSchwartz

yeah, the 20 files or so

[11:03]

mercutio

yeah i didn't like it
try the commandline ipmitool

[11:04]

RandalSchwartz

where do I get that?
and I need to see the screen
to see what went wrong if it won't reboot

[11:05]

mercutio

it comes with most os's
except windows :)
setup serial console?

[11:05]

RandalSchwartz

I don't know anything about serial consoles like this.

[11:06]

brycec

http://www.paranoid.nl/~marieke/freebsd/ipmi/ipmicons.html should guide you on setting up the SoL console
(More recent FreeBSD's won't require recompiling the bootloader, according to http://serverfault.com/questions/574351/serial-over-lan-on-freebsd-10-0-with-supermicro-x9-scm-f)

[11:07]

RandalSchwartz

Garry says "I used IPMIView. It's the "KVM Console" tab and then click "Launchr KVM Console". Do you see the row of tabs on the bottom after your login?r"

[11:08]

brycec

The tl;dr of it is that the SoL enumerates as just another serial port, and setting up SoL on the server is no different than setting it up for a standard serial console.

[11:09]

RandalSchwartz

again, something I'm not familiar with.

[11:09]

brycec

(Pffft what does "Garry" know, he's know up_the_irons </sarcasm>)
s/know/no/

[11:09]

BryceBot

<brycec> (Pffft what does "Garry" no, he's no up_the_irons </sarcasm>)

[11:09]

brycec

(d'oh)

[11:09]

RandalSchwartz

I dont see the KVM Console tab this time
and the one time it showed up, when I clicked on it, and the screen opened and immediatley closed.
I tried that repeatedly.
now i'm not even sure how to get to there. :)

[11:09]

mercutio

ipmitool -L USER -I lanplus -H <ip> -U <user> -P <pass> sol activate
try that to access it
where ip is the ip of the vpn thingy
err through the vpn
and user and pass is listed on same page as ip

[11:12]

RandalSchwartz

Invalid privilege level USER
ahh, and my error message doesn't show -I anything

[11:14]

mercutio

oh
i had to add -L USER in
maybe you don't need it?

[11:15]

RandalSchwartz

when I remove -L USER, still balks at that -I

[11:16]

mercutio

different implementations are different :)
it doesn't liek -I ?

[11:16]

RandalSchwartz

oh I left out the IP

[11:16]

mercutio

-I intf Interface to use
wtf

[11:16]

RandalSchwartz

Not in my error message

[11:17]

mercutio

oh
it doesn't mean physical interface

[11:17]

RandalSchwartz

oooh... got this:
[SOL Session operational. Use ~? for help]

[11:17]

mercutio

sweet
you got it then

[11:17]

RandalSchwartz

and then what?

[11:17]

mercutio

now you just haev to make sure it's outputting to serial :)
so you didn't need to use -L USER?
without it i get Set Session Privilege Level to ADMINISTRATOR failed: Unknown (0x80)

[11:17]

RandalSchwartz

I hit return and it said ProcessSOLUserInput - entered
ProcessSOLUserInput - read 1 chars
no - didn't need the -L or -I
-L level Remote session privilege level [default=ADMINISTRATOR]

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[11:18]

RandalSchwartz

is this supposed to show me something when it boots up?

[11:19]

mercutio

ok :)
yeah

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[11:19]

RandalSchwartz

how do I get the same view as the VNC console

[11:19]

mercutio

and while in system
you don't :)
you setup your system for that
use the web interface to do the beginning bits
you're still struggling to get the web interface to go at all?

[11:19]

RandalSchwartz

I can see the console
but I can't interact with it

[11:21]

mercutio

with the web interface?
i didn't actually try typing anything into it i think :)

[11:22]

RandalSchwartz

Hmm. now I can't find it again. silly web interface
oh, the first thing was "preview"
where am I supposed to be trying to type on the console?

[11:22]

mercutio

remote control
console redirection -> launch console

[11:25]

RandalSchwartz

I do that and nothing happens.

[11:27]

BryceBot

That's what she said!!

[11:27]

mercutio

does it open a popup?

[11:27]

RandalSchwartz

nope
nothing. nada.

[11:27]

mercutio

it should have a launch.jlp or something file

[11:27]

RandalSchwartz

"have", as in how? in the window?

[11:28]

mercutio

it trys to download it in chrome for me
then you click on it
and it says it may harm your computer too :)

[11:28]

RandalSchwartz

oh maybe it doesn't work in safari

[11:28]

mercutio

then there's a black screen with some menus at top etc and you press a key
nah it should download the same i think
look at the downloads?
it's .jnlp
but you could try chrome if it's not coming up with a download or a pop up

[11:28]

RandalSchwartz

ahh... chrome is better
I get launch.jnlp

[11:30]

mercutio

ok click on that

[11:30]

RandalSchwartz

but now I can't open it as it is from an unidentified developer

[11:30]

mercutio

turn off the unidentified developer crap?

http://support.apple.com/kb/PH14369

[11:30]

RandalSchwartz

now that doesn't open up. :)

[11:31]

mercutio

weird

[11:31]

RandalSchwartz

worked in chrome, not safari

[11:31]

mercutio

does your vpn try and default route ?

[11:31]

RandalSchwartz

I think this thing spooked safari :)
ok, reading that page, it's what I tried

[11:32]

mercutio

settings in security & privacy preferences allows you to run untrusted apps by default
which is probably good :)

[11:33]

RandalSchwartz

but there's no java setting to allow this now. apple removed it.

[11:33]

mercutio

unless you're into the mac app store.
it's the general os x blocking afaik
android doesn't let you run untrusted apk's by default too
which is annoying if you want to sideload something not from app store, like from a recent build or such

[11:33]

RandalSchwartz

yes... the "medium" setting is now gone.

[11:34]

mercutio

from what i can tell it's not the java setting that it's hitting but the normal unidentified developer thing?

[11:34]

RandalSchwartz

anyway, can't run it

[11:35]

mercutio

that's why i was saying you should disable normal os x blocking
which is under security & privacy preferences

[11:35]

RandalSchwartz

I'm familiar with the other popup
this is specificially getting past that, and getting to a java exception

[11:35]

mercutio

[11:36]

RandalSchwartz

java used to have three levels
now just two

[11:36]

mercutio

so now it's low and high?

[11:36]

RandalSchwartz

apple took away the bottom one for security reasons
yeah, just high and super-high

[11:36]

mercutio

ahh

[11:36]

RandalSchwartz

medium is ogne
gone

[11:36]

mercutio

damn
this sounds frustrating :)

[11:36]

RandalSchwartz

you're telling me

[11:36]

mercutio

do you have a windows vm?

[11:37]

RandalSchwartz

especially when up_the_irons said he was able to get it to work
no... nothing windows
I want to watch him do it.
I no longer believe I have the same tools as what he says is working

[11:37]

mercutio

he got it working on os x?

[11:38]

RandalSchwartz

and this is stopping two other important things
we need to upgrade openssh, and that's a core os thing
so I need to get the machine to freebsd 8.4 patch 19
but I don't dare update the kernel without a console

[11:38]

mercutio

yeah

[11:38]

RandalSchwartz

and eventually, this machine needs to be freebsd 10
or 11 if we wait long enough :)

[11:39]

mercutio

it's 10.1 already i think

[11:39]

RandalSchwartz

well 8.4 is EOLed in a few months
so I have to get this machine up
jun 2015 I think

[11:39]

mercutio

i prefer the hp lights out
on freebsd i have console="comconsole" but it's on a hp system
in /boot/loader.conf
but freebsd disables normal console when enablign serial
that may have changed, but this is freebsd 9.2

[11:40]

RandalSchwartz

yeah - I don't have any console="" there
just zfs and a few tunings for postgres

[11:42]

mercutio

oh i still do have normal console
i dunno why i thought i didn't
hp you can show text mode console withotu serial too :)
just with ssh

[11:43]

brycec

mercutio: "comconsole vidconsole" should enable both, according to the links I shared earlier

[11:44]

mercutio

but yeah i'd try and get java workign first.
brycec: it seems i have both anyway?

[11:44]

brycec

brycec shrugs

[11:44]

mercutio

i really thought i didn't have both for some reason

[11:44]

brycec

brycec has no ipmi boxes

[11:44]

RandalSchwartz

... https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/serialconsole-setup.html

[11:45]

mercutio

i hate ipmi
but i like it too
it's nice that there's a semi-standardised way for computers to get serial console etc.
but i find just having ssh easier
the recent hp stuff lets you stick your key on too

[11:46]

BryceBot

That's what she said!!

[11:48]

brycec

HP stuff has ssh-on-bmc/ipmi?
(Or are we talking about http://www.xenoclast.org/nca/ now? :p)

[11:48]

mercutio

yeah
dell and hp have had ssh for ages

[11:48]

brycec

cool

[11:49]

mercutio

it's dropbear
actually it's romsshell
it seems
with the dropping prices of nand etc, i wouldn't be surprised if there's proper embedded servers etc soon with automatic updates and the like

[11:49]

m0unds

saw some sandisk extreme ii 960GB disk for ~$499 usd

[11:54]

mercutio

wireless routers are already shifting to nand. nand has better wear leveling.
so doing updates all the time and treating them like a normal file system isn't so bad

[11:54]

RandalSchwartz

ugh... still have a bit of hangover, and it's noon already.
normally don't get hangovers, but drank some wine yesteray.

[12:06]

mercutio

wine can be special like that
white wine can give me headaches when normal alcohol doesn't

[12:06]

RandalSchwartz

pdx sky club doesn't have hard liquor

[12:07]

mercutio

even before the next day.

[12:07]

RandalSchwartz

just beer/wine

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hangover happily gone... replaced by a vodka/soda buzz. :)

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acf_

can anyone confirm Google's PMTU issue still exists?
it started for me long before anyone else..

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mnathani

DNS Made Easy sent this to me back in 2010 : http://pastebin.com/UceGKXpP

[21:06]

mercutio

i like it when people notify of issues
but what made you suddenly bring this up from years bacK? amazon's outage?

[21:19]

mnathani

It came up in a discussion I had with someone regarding how folks generally dont like disclosing issues
I think you mean Azure's outage

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mercutio

cloudfront?

[22:21]

mnathani

nvm, I see the outage report now

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mercutio

so azure also had an outage today?

[22:43]

seems samsung 850 pros are down in cost now

[22:49]

mnathani

Azure was like a week / 10 days ago: http://azure.microsoft.com/blog/2014/11/19/update-on-azure-storage-service-interruption/

[22:55]

mercutio

are any big web sites hosted on them?
i didn't notice anything

[22:55]

mnathani

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/11/azure-went-down-and-people-actually-noticed/

[22:55]

mercutio

i do half remember hearing about azure problems at some point though

[22:55]

BryceBot

Ars Technica: "Azure went down, and people actually noticed"

[22:55]

mercutio

wow people lost data in the azure thing

[22:57]

mnathani

One of the comments: "If you want to run a big portion of the Internet then you need to act like an infrastructure provider and not a desktop applications vendor. "

[23:07]

mercutio

haha

[23:11]

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