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| brycec | Both of my personal OpenBSD boxes upgraded to 5.6 without issue :D http://ftp3.usa.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/5.6/
(headless boxes, no less) | [00:48] |
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| mercutio | oh it 's out now
i'd checked multipel times hah i was checking ftp5 which is also up to date now it seems arp isn't yet | [02:14] |
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| mnathani | does OpenBSD have ports and packages like FreeBSD? | [13:33] |
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| brycec | Yes
(For varying degrees of "like FreeBSD") It has ports and it has packages, yes. But they don't "work" the same as FreeBSD's ports and packages, especially since FreeBSD moved to pkgng | [13:48] |
| mercutio | well their ports/packages are a bit more stable than freebsd's imo
but freebsd has more oh there's annonucement now for ob and arp has 5.6/ but nothign in i386/amd64 directories hmm i wonder if arp ran out of disk space | [13:56] |
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| hmm is anyone here using nsd yet? | [14:29] | |
| mhoran | Yes. | [14:29] |
| mercutio | how do you find it? | [14:30] |
| mhoran | Great.
Migrating from BIND was easy, since it supports the same file format. | [14:30] |
| mercutio | did you come from bind? | [14:30] |
| mhoran | The master config format is easier. | [14:30] |
| mercutio | i'm using tinydns atm | [14:30] |
| mhoran | It also has a smaller memory footprint, which is great. | [14:30] |
| mercutio | tinydns is a bit annoying for ipv6 | [14:30] |
| mhoran | And I like that I didn't have to disable recursive resolution or anything since it just does authoritative.
I also didn't have to do anything for IPv6 which was reat. | [14:30] |
| mercutio | yeah
i like split too how are you syncing to remote servers? to secondarys what i found easy with tinydns is i could just do scp :) | [14:31] |
| mhoran | Notify. | [14:31] |
| mercutio | ahh
hmm | [14:31] |
| mhoran | I use dns.he.net for secondary, so I just ship them the zones. nsd can do some signed transfer thing but I haven't set that up.
Also haven't set up DNSSEC. Seems like too much work. | [14:32] |
| mercutio | heh | [14:32] |
| mhoran | But maybe some day. mike-burns just set it up. | [14:32] |
| mike-burns | Hi. | [14:32] |
| mercutio | hi | [14:32] |
| mhoran | Anyway, nsd is working well for me. I figured, since I had to install a port, I'd install something different. | [14:33] |
| mercutio | i mostly just saw openbsd is finalyl shifting away from bind | [14:33] |
| mike-burns | DNSSEC was super easy. I owe you the write-up of how I did it but it was like "type a thing into named.conf and reload". | [14:33] |
| mhoran | I'd have to move off of he.net DNS unfortunately. | [14:33] |
| mercutio | dnssec support in unbound is simple
but recursive is prob simpler than authorative | [14:33] |
| mhoran | Yeah. | [14:33] |
| mike-burns | There's still BIND userland in base: dig, host, etc. | [14:34] |
| mercutio | mike-burns: that's good. | [14:34] |
| mhoran | My home router can do recursive DNSSEC validation, which is great. | [14:34] |
| mercutio | i'd like to see openbsd get better desktop support | [14:35] |
| mike-burns | Disappointingly, OpenBSD's resolver no longer respects DNSSEC validation. | [14:35] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [14:35] |
| mercutio | well by desktop i'm actually thinking smp support
and better file systems. | [14:35] |
| mike-burns | You mean the big lock? | [14:35] |
| mercutio | which isn't really desktop i suppose.
yeah. | [14:35] |
| mike-burns | They'd like that too. | [14:35] |
| mercutio | that's starting to change i think
the file system thing is annoying | [14:35] |
| mike-burns | Patches welcome, I'm sure. | [14:35] |
| mercutio | i doubt they're going to support zfs | [14:35] |
| mike-burns | For licensing, yeah. | [14:35] |
| mercutio | licensing wise it's fine.
freebsd took it it's "compatible" but they don't even like gpl software ;) | [14:36] |
| mike-burns | http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/ZFS-on-OpenBSD has much to say about it. | [14:36] |
| mercutio | i'm reading slashot atm
it reminds me of cool things about openbsd in one of the posts | [14:36] |
| mike-burns | I'm running OpenBSD on my laptop. | [14:37] |
| mercutio | like they've got a mixer that doesn't need pulseaudio that just works. | [14:37] |
| mike-burns | sndiod, yeah.
The whole thing Just Works in a very BSD way, but more so. | [14:37] |
| mercutio | pf, manpages.
i suppose lack of binary update path is annoying and lack of 802.11ac freebsd doesn't work with 802.11ac either actually | [14:37] |
| mike-burns | I run snapshots, which is binary. | [14:38] |
| mercutio | does it do wireless n yet? | [14:38] |
| mike-burns | No. | [14:38] |
| mercutio | hmmm | [14:38] |
| mike-burns | Have you run into issues with the big lock? | [14:40] |
| mercutio | network performance not being great. | [14:40] |
| mike-burns | Ah sure. | [14:41] |
| mercutio | on that note there's also no infiniband support | [14:41] |
| mike-burns | Most unix devs are writing for Linux or GNU these days. | [14:41] |
| mercutio | yeah the big lock actually hampens network performance a bit, and it's one of the first places they're working to resolve it looks like. | [14:41] |
| mike-burns | Ah right, I just saw a talk about that. | [14:41] |
| mercutio | ahh cool
i will see the talk then :) | [14:42] |
| mike-burns | It was at EuroBSDCon. | [14:42] |
| mercutio | i actually really like openbsd, ... but i realise it's limitations
oh is it on the net? some conference didn't web cast talks | [14:42] |
| mike-burns | http://www.openbsd.org/papers/tamingdragons.pdf
http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140929075248 - others from the conf. Theo's was good, as was tedu's. | [14:43] |
| mercutio | i wonder if anyone's looking at speeding up openbgpd
for large merges. like when used as route servers. | [14:44] |
| mike-burns | Haven't heard anyone mention it recently, I think. | [14:45] |
| mercutio | i remember reading a few people shifted from openbgpd to bird | [14:45] |
| mike-burns | https://va.ludost.net/files/eurobsdcon/2014/Rodopi/ - videos. | [14:46] |
| mercutio | i wonder why openbsd doesn't support 802.11n
linux uses firmware blobs on ac7260 at least | [14:46] |
| mike-burns | No one has submitted a patch. | [14:46] |
| mercutio | so it's just lack of patches? | [14:47] |
| mike-burns | Yup. | [14:47] |
| mercutio | oh cool thanks
hmm are ports from freebsd ok? | [14:47] |
| mike-burns | On Open?
Oh I see. | [14:47] |
| mercutio | yeah | [14:47] |
| mike-burns | yes.
But it has to work. | [14:48] |
| mercutio | yeah | [14:48] |
| mike-burns | That's often how things go: code from Open on Free, code from Net on Open, etc. | [14:48] |
| mercutio | years ago i took an audrio drive from netbsd.
err audio but then i didn't push it upstream properly. it was just to do digital sound on cmi8738 there was an existing driver without sound i had no idea what i was doing :) but somehow it worked fine. | [14:48] |
| mike-burns | Such is life. | [14:49] |
| mercutio | the interface changes aren't that great. | [14:49] |
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| o traceroute6(8) has been merged into traceroute(8).
i always was disturbed by how windows did that ages ago, and linux and openbsd still hadn't caught up | [16:32] | |
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| mhoran | Oh Linux still isn't caught up.
Pretty silly. ping as well. | [17:20] |
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| mercutio | yeah
oh it's just the man page! mtr does both | [18:25] |
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| mnathani | anyone know how to extract graph images from cacti data, to send out an email with a graph every day? | [19:46] |
| mercutio | nope, looks like there's some plugin to do it though?
http://docs.cacti.net/plugin:nectar | [19:52] |
| mnathani | thanks | [19:58] |
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| Here is a talk on the Datacenter in 2020 if anyone is interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl9mu7hrW1U | [21:08] | |
| BryceBot | YouTube Tech: "FSOSS 2014 Day 1 Chris Tyler" by CDOT Seneca (52m 4s), 10 views. Uploaded 2014-10-30T14:55:41.000Z. | [21:08] |
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