#arpnetworks 2014-11-01,Sat

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brycecBoth of my personal OpenBSD boxes upgraded to 5.6 without issue :D http://ftp3.usa.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/5.6/
(headless boxes, no less)
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mercutiooh it 's out now
i'd checked multipel times hah
i was checking ftp5
which is also up to date now it seems
arp isn't yet
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mnathanidoes OpenBSD have ports and packages like FreeBSD? [13:33]
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brycecYes
(For varying degrees of "like FreeBSD")
It has ports and it has packages, yes.
But they don't "work" the same as FreeBSD's ports and packages, especially since FreeBSD moved to pkgng
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mercutiowell their ports/packages are a bit more stable than freebsd's imo
but freebsd has more
oh there's annonucement now for ob
and arp has 5.6/
but nothign in i386/amd64 directories hmm
i wonder if arp ran out of disk space
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hmm is anyone here using nsd yet? [14:29]
mhoranYes. [14:29]
mercutiohow do you find it? [14:30]
mhoranGreat.
Migrating from BIND was easy, since it supports the same file format.
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mercutiodid you come from bind? [14:30]
mhoranThe master config format is easier. [14:30]
mercutioi'm using tinydns atm [14:30]
mhoranIt also has a smaller memory footprint, which is great. [14:30]
mercutiotinydns is a bit annoying for ipv6 [14:30]
mhoranAnd I like that I didn't have to disable recursive resolution or anything since it just does authoritative.
I also didn't have to do anything for IPv6 which was reat.
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mercutioyeah
i like split too
how are you syncing to remote servers?
to secondarys
what i found easy with tinydns is i could just do scp :)
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mhoranNotify. [14:31]
mercutioahh
hmm
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mhoranI use dns.he.net for secondary, so I just ship them the zones. nsd can do some signed transfer thing but I haven't set that up.
Also haven't set up DNSSEC. Seems like too much work.
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mercutioheh [14:32]
mhoranBut maybe some day. mike-burns just set it up. [14:32]
mike-burnsHi. [14:32]
mercutiohi [14:32]
mhoranAnyway, nsd is working well for me. I figured, since I had to install a port, I'd install something different. [14:33]
mercutioi mostly just saw openbsd is finalyl shifting away from bind [14:33]
mike-burnsDNSSEC was super easy. I owe you the write-up of how I did it but it was like "type a thing into named.conf and reload". [14:33]
mhoranI'd have to move off of he.net DNS unfortunately. [14:33]
mercutiodnssec support in unbound is simple
but recursive is prob simpler than authorative
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mhoranYeah. [14:33]
mike-burnsThere's still BIND userland in base: dig, host, etc. [14:34]
mercutiomike-burns: that's good. [14:34]
mhoranMy home router can do recursive DNSSEC validation, which is great. [14:34]
mercutioi'd like to see openbsd get better desktop support [14:35]
mike-burnsDisappointingly, OpenBSD's resolver no longer respects DNSSEC validation. [14:35]
BryceBotThat's what she said!! [14:35]
mercutiowell by desktop i'm actually thinking smp support
and better file systems.
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mike-burnsYou mean the big lock? [14:35]
mercutiowhich isn't really desktop i suppose.
yeah.
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mike-burnsThey'd like that too. [14:35]
mercutiothat's starting to change i think
the file system thing is annoying
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mike-burnsPatches welcome, I'm sure. [14:35]
mercutioi doubt they're going to support zfs [14:35]
mike-burnsFor licensing, yeah. [14:35]
mercutiolicensing wise it's fine.
freebsd took it
it's "compatible"
but they don't even like gpl software ;)
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mike-burnshttp://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/ZFS-on-OpenBSD has much to say about it. [14:36]
mercutioi'm reading slashot atm
it reminds me of cool things about openbsd in one of the posts
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mike-burnsI'm running OpenBSD on my laptop. [14:37]
mercutiolike they've got a mixer that doesn't need pulseaudio that just works. [14:37]
mike-burnssndiod, yeah.
The whole thing Just Works in a very BSD way, but more so.
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mercutiopf, manpages.
i suppose lack of binary update path is annoying
and lack of 802.11ac
freebsd doesn't work with 802.11ac either actually
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mike-burnsI run snapshots, which is binary. [14:38]
mercutiodoes it do wireless n yet? [14:38]
mike-burnsNo. [14:38]
mercutiohmmm [14:38]
mike-burnsHave you run into issues with the big lock? [14:40]
mercutionetwork performance not being great. [14:40]
mike-burnsAh sure. [14:41]
mercutioon that note there's also no infiniband support [14:41]
mike-burnsMost unix devs are writing for Linux or GNU these days. [14:41]
mercutioyeah the big lock actually hampens network performance a bit, and it's one of the first places they're working to resolve it looks like. [14:41]
mike-burnsAh right, I just saw a talk about that. [14:41]
mercutioahh cool
i will see the talk then :)
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mike-burnsIt was at EuroBSDCon. [14:42]
mercutioi actually really like openbsd, ... but i realise it's limitations
oh
is it on the net?
some conference didn't web cast talks
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mike-burnshttp://www.openbsd.org/papers/tamingdragons.pdf
http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140929075248 - others from the conf.
Theo's was good, as was tedu's.
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mercutioi wonder if anyone's looking at speeding up openbgpd
for large merges.
like when used as route servers.
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mike-burnsHaven't heard anyone mention it recently, I think. [14:45]
mercutioi remember reading a few people shifted from openbgpd to bird [14:45]
mike-burnshttps://va.ludost.net/files/eurobsdcon/2014/Rodopi/ - videos. [14:46]
mercutioi wonder why openbsd doesn't support 802.11n
linux uses firmware blobs on ac7260 at least
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mike-burnsNo one has submitted a patch. [14:46]
mercutioso it's just lack of patches? [14:47]
mike-burnsYup. [14:47]
mercutiooh cool thanks
hmm
are ports from freebsd ok?
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mike-burnsOn Open?
Oh I see.
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mercutioyeah [14:47]
mike-burnsyes.
But it has to work.
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mercutioyeah [14:48]
mike-burnsThat's often how things go: code from Open on Free, code from Net on Open, etc. [14:48]
mercutioyears ago i took an audrio drive from netbsd.
err
audio
but then i didn't push it upstream properly.
it was just to do digital sound on cmi8738
there was an existing driver without sound
i had no idea what i was doing :)
but somehow it worked fine.
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mike-burnsSuch is life. [14:49]
mercutiothe interface changes aren't that great. [14:49]
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o traceroute6(8) has been merged into traceroute(8).
i always was disturbed by how windows did that ages ago, and linux and openbsd still hadn't caught up
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mhoranOh Linux still isn't caught up.
Pretty silly.
ping as well.
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mercutioyeah
oh it's just the man page!
mtr does both
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mnathanianyone know how to extract graph images from cacti data, to send out an email with a graph every day? [19:46]
mercutionope, looks like there's some plugin to do it though?
http://docs.cacti.net/plugin:nectar
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mnathanithanks [19:58]
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Here is a talk on the Datacenter in 2020 if anyone is interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl9mu7hrW1U [21:08]
BryceBotYouTube Tech: "FSOSS 2014 Day 1 Chris Tyler" by CDOT Seneca (52m 4s), 10 views. Uploaded 2014-10-30T14:55:41.000Z. [21:08]
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