#arpnetworks 2014-03-20,Thu

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Who	What	When
hazardous	hm, no failcnts	[00:04]
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mercutio	openvz is ick like that mnathani wouldn't touch it :) well actually i think it's the commercial one that's bad i think normal openvz doesn't limit	[02:04]
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brycec	Yeah, OpenVZ has its place... eg I run some smallish internal services from OpenVZ. No reason to have a full VM. It's basically a jail that's much simpler to configure. But for a "VPS" nooooo I avoid that shit like the plague	[10:09]
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m0unds	haha well run virtuozzo stuff isn't too bad just see way too many awful hosts using openvz and not knowing wtf they're doing	[10:45]
brycec	"Get rich quick"	[10:45]
m0unds	yeah high tenant density, low investment hope people don't run away too fast hit that magic $2/mo pricepoint for 512 or 1024MB and rake in the bux	[10:46]
brycec	I think that more often than not, you have to worry about the owners running before the customers in those "get rich quick run openvz" scenarioos	[10:47]
m0unds	http://www.shodanhq.com/ ever seen this?	[10:49]
brycec	maybe	[10:49]
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up_the_irons	brycec: owners running, lol. it's true.	[11:47]
phlux	it is so frustrating watching my wife play video games :\| she's playing "South Park: The Stick of Truth"	[11:54]
brycec	nice Luckily for #arpnetworks, up_the_irons is too fat to run rimshot (j/k)	[11:55]
phlux	you gonna take that, up_the_irons?	[11:56]
up_the_irons	wut	[11:56]
phlux	what would Iron Maiden do?	[11:56]
brycec	Rock out?	[11:56]
phlux	UP THE IRONS bbl	[11:56]
up_the_irons	i'm not fat ;)	[11:57]
brycec	I didn't really think so. I believe I've seen some photos of you on your Flickr :p	[11:59]
m0unds	brycec is creepin	[12:03]
up_the_irons	:)	[12:04]
m0unds	http://1drv.ms/1gfoZJU highlight of my day	[12:06]
brycec	heh	[12:09]
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mercutio	up_the_irons: any update on the level3 connection? (just out of curiosity)	[12:46]
up_the_irons	i'm getting the LOA for x-conn soon	[12:46]
mercutio	ahh ok	[12:48]
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mnathani	up_the_irons: how do trit, he.net, nlayer and other transit providers bill you? Based on bandwidth? Port Speed or 95th percentile?	[16:51]
up_the_irons	95th	[16:53]
mnathani	so bringing in a new transit like level3 who will distribute your overall load could possibly reduce the bills from the other transits?	[16:55]
up_the_irons	no because there are minimums i should say it is 95% billing _with_ a commitment; you can't commit to 0 Mbps so if traffic is under your commit, you still pay the full commitment price i have to commit to 100 Mbps on all circuits to get GigE ports that traffic in total is way more than I need but what can ya do...	[16:56]
mnathani	right.. whats the cost per mbit like? nvm .. you probably can't disclose specific figures	[16:58]
mercutio	up_the_irons: you can buy off someone who aggregates? :) but yeah not much you can do. mnathani: it's probably in the 0.50 to $3.00 range per megabit for he.net vs level3 actually i have a feeling level3 is cheaper than it used to be. but then there are port fees on top of that so really it's best to use more bandwidth and have more customers up_the_irons: are you paying for in+out 95th percentile or the maximum of the two?	[17:13]
up_the_irons	i'm not even sure	[17:16]
mercutio	heh	[17:17]
up_the_irons	i never go above the min	[17:17]
mercutio	curious even with that ntp exploit?	[17:17]
up_the_irons	i didn't let the ntp exploit last long enough	[17:17]
mercutio	oh yeh it seemed like ages but it was like a day or two wasn't it?	[17:17]
up_the_irons	ppl on twitter complain that i blocked all ntp, well fuck 'em, i tell 'em to pay my bandwidth bill and then i'll leave it open ;)	[17:17]
mercutio	interesting	[17:18]
up_the_irons	well, it started slow	[17:18]
mercutio	i wouldn't think most people would notice	[17:18]
up_the_irons	it was like a ramp they did ppl get sensitive like that ;)	[17:18]
mercutio	yeh i'd complain if you block icmp :/	[17:18]
up_the_irons	lol btw, can't buy off someone who aggregates cuz the networks discourage that (they want you as the customer) bbl	[17:18]
mercutio	ahh ok	[17:19]
up_the_irons	up_the_irons wanders off	[17:19]
mercutio	they can make more money that way :/ http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1350362 mnathani: that thread suggests normal pricing is $10/megabit i imagine most people don't pay normal pricing though the jist looks like 1 gig on 10 gigabit is ~ $3.5usd/megabit + tax and 100 megabit is much more and to get sharp pricing you're meant to buy more than a gigabit commit	[17:19]
m0unds	up_the_irons: people complained about ntp filtering? geez.	[17:31]
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brycec	s/j/g/	[19:14]
BryceBot	<mercutio> the gist looks like 1 gig on 10 gigabit is ~ $3.5usd/megabit	[19:14]
m0unds	...err? oh hahah i don't know why that confused me	[19:16]
mercutio	1 gig commit is that what confused? i really thought it wsa cheaper than that	[19:18]
m0unds	no, the sed replace of j w/g just didn't notice what was replaced, guess my brain did it automatically	[19:19]
mercutio	oh i see i don't type that word often :/ wikitionary lists it an as alternative spelling :/ so why's it pronounced jist and spelt gist. the english langugae confuses hmm, i suppose it's similar to git, where some people say ghit, and some people say jit for the revision control, not for an idiot	[19:21]
m0unds	hahaha	[19:25]
brycec	mercutio: as a rare alt spelling :P	[19:26]
mercutio	haha	[19:26]
brycec	mercutio: 'g' as in 'giuseppe' so there :P	[19:26]
mercutio	say what	[19:27]
brycec	Italian has soft-g too gist, giuseppe, etc	[19:27]
m0unds	yo mammy	[19:27]
mercutio	oh apparently git comes from beget i find lots of computer things seem to encourage people to pronounce alternatively	[19:27]
brycec	brycec still says gif with a hard-g	[19:29]
mercutio	so do i is that not normal? i usually prounce tiff "t i f f" as well	[19:29]
brycec	A resistance to change? Yes, totally normal :P	[19:29]
mercutio	err prononunce	[19:29]
brycec	mercutio: you spell it out?	[19:30]
mercutio	yeah if speaking verbally yes	[19:30]
brycec	To differentiate from the noun?	[19:30]
mercutio	partially because not everyone knows what it is	[19:30]
m0unds	haha	[19:30]
mercutio	and the spelling isn't obvious and probably partially because it reminds me of iff which i also spelt out	[19:30]
m0unds	UPS (as in power) - phoneticize or spell out as an acronym?	[19:31]
brycec	I instinctively spelled out i.f.f.	[19:31]
mercutio	spell out every time	[19:31]
brycec	spelled out Same with the delivery service...	[19:31]
m0unds	thank you hahahah yeah	[19:31]
mercutio	as a non american i find it confusing that there is UPS and USPS	[19:31]
m0unds	it makes me cringe a little when people say UPPZ	[19:31]
mercutio	and that UPS is 4x as expensive	[19:31]
m0unds	haha, it's not htough though i trust UPS or Fedex more than USPS for packages	[19:32]
brycec	mercutio: as an american, it's still confusing.	[19:32]
mercutio	to here, from america i'd rather go with fedex or dhl but usps is better value	[19:32]
brycec	"value" I don't think I'd agree with that statement.	[19:33]
mercutio	well usps has better tracking for some reason whatever the internet seems tos ays seems to say	[19:33]
m0unds	i use fedex unless i get a prepaid label for UPS or USPS	[19:33]
mercutio	it integrates with normal postal tracking here, ... so can use local tracking, or the remote tracking to find more detail of where it is in US	[19:33]
brycec	"normal postal tracking" as in, tracking is normal?	[19:33]
mercutio	whereas dhl and fedex have icky pages umm nz post which is the normal postal carrier here although, for some reason they hand registered mail to couriers to deliver.	[19:34]
brycec	Trying to understand if you mean that your postal carrier offers tracking normally/default, or if you mean that it's integrated into their own tracking (web form, or whatever)	[19:35]
mercutio	it's integrated to their own tracking well .. all country code stuff of XXNNNNNNNNNNXX is	[19:35]
m0unds	yea, i've seen that w/international parcels that use USPS for local delivery i can see all the tracking stuff til delivery like it's native, but it's coming in from whatever partner service/courier is being used	[19:35]
mercutio	yeh they must have interconnects	[19:36]
brycec	General consensus, at least among the people I read and converse, is that US Postal is basically dead, and practically worthless.	[19:36]
staticsafe	USPS transfers to Canada Post when delivering to Canadian destinations	[19:36]
mercutio	it may be for local delivery but for international from US it seems to work well.	[19:36]
m0unds	https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction.action?tLabels=9405510200986217502529	[19:36]
staticsafe	staticsafe prefers UPS/Fedex	[19:36]
brycec	brycec does too	[19:36]
m0unds	100% of that tracking showed up after the package was actually delivered	[19:37]
mercutio	well i'd prefer fedex probably	[19:37]
m0unds	it didn't show up at all til i had a box at my door	[19:37]
mercutio	but it costs way more :/	[19:37]
brycec	Also, shipping parcels UPS/FedEx is a lot simpler	[19:37]
m0unds	yeah. i have a fedex acct. i sign in, fill in the address, print my label and stick it on the box	[19:37]
staticsafe	https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction.action?tLabels=LN049979968US	[19:37]
brycec	lol m0unds been there m0unds: ditto.	[19:37]
m0unds	staticsafe: tycho?	[19:37]
staticsafe	yea	[19:37]
mercutio	brycec: well i wasn't really thinking of how hard it is to send	[19:37]
brycec	Well, company has the account...	[19:37]
m0unds	that's what mine was too, lol	[19:37]
staticsafe	i picked up the cd today from the mailbox	[19:38]
m0unds	right on	[19:38]
mercutio	we have a few couriers here, and a local auction site like ebay and one of the couriers is extra bad, and most people use them... cos they're cheap	[19:38]
m0unds	hahaha	[19:38]
brycec	Sounds like US Postal here :P Actually, there are worse.	[19:38]
mercutio	heh	[19:39]
brycec	OnTrac is the best of the crap third-party couriers	[19:39]
mercutio	isn't usps mostly just slow?	[19:39]
m0unds	depends on the class of svc	[19:39]
mercutio	first class international and priority mail	[19:39]
brycec	And the biggest bureacratic pile of... Yeah. And confusing as fuck.	[19:39]
mercutio	which seem to be the same thing	[19:39]
m0unds	see, i rarely ship internationally but priority mail is essentially guaranteed to arrive in 3 days	[19:39]
mercutio	err priority mail international i mean	[19:40]
brycec	FedEx Ground, Express Saver, 2-day, overnight. SO SIMPLE.	[19:40]
mercutio	oh hmm	[19:40]
m0unds	hahahaha, yup	[19:40]
mercutio	so it should be sent from the US within 3 days? i've seen it take longer than taht!	[19:40]
m0unds	i'm talking domestically within the us	[19:40]
mercutio	10 days from PA to NY	[19:41]
m0unds	oddly enough, fedex ground from NM -> NC is ~3-4 days and is the same price or cheaper than priority mail	[19:41]
brycec	haha	[19:41]
mercutio	oh hangon 5 days then 5 days to new zelaand i read wrong line	[19:41]
m0unds	paddleboat	[19:42]
mercutio	hmm, the 5th day is a sunday so at least it seems they do stuff on sundays m0unds: ups is cheaper domestically? oh fed ex	[19:42]
m0unds	yea, and it just drafts from my credit card so when i go to work, i just swing by fedex office and drop it off, no lines or anything it's nice	[19:43]
mercutio	what i want to see is international prices for freight matching china :/	[19:44]
brycec	brycec has daily FedEx pickup	[19:44]
mercutio	i still don't understand how they can sell items for $1 USD including delivery when seding a small thing domestically costs that here let alone having anything in it, and ebay fees	[19:44]
m0unds	we do at work, but i can't ship personal stuff from our dock here	[19:47]
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GluffiS_	humm, why did my openbsd reboot... about 3 hours ago	[23:48]
hazardous	<mercutio> i still don't understand how they can sell items for $1 USD including delivery china post or w/e pays the shipping pretty much	[23:55]

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