#arpnetworks 2014-03-20,Thu

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hazardoushm, no failcnts [00:04]
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mercutioopenvz is ick like that mnathani
wouldn't touch it :)
well actually i think it's the commercial one that's bad
i think normal openvz doesn't limit
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brycecYeah, OpenVZ has its place... eg I run some smallish internal services from OpenVZ. No reason to have a full VM. It's basically a jail that's much simpler to configure.
But for a "VPS" nooooo I avoid that shit like the plague
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m0undshaha
well run virtuozzo stuff isn't too bad
just see way too many awful hosts using openvz and not knowing wtf they're doing
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brycec"Get rich quick" [10:45]
m0undsyeah
high tenant density, low investment
hope people don't run away too fast
hit that magic $2/mo pricepoint for 512 or 1024MB and rake in the bux
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brycecI think that more often than not, you have to worry about the owners running before the customers in those "get rich quick run openvz" scenarioos [10:47]
m0undshttp://www.shodanhq.com/ ever seen this? [10:49]
brycecmaybe [10:49]
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up_the_ironsbrycec: owners running, lol. it's true. [11:47]
phluxit is so frustrating watching my wife play video games :|
she's playing "South Park: The Stick of Truth"
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brycecnice
Luckily for #arpnetworks, up_the_irons is too fat to run *rimshot*
(j/k)
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phluxyou gonna take that, up_the_irons? [11:56]
up_the_ironswut [11:56]
phluxwhat would Iron Maiden do? [11:56]
brycecRock out? [11:56]
phluxUP THE IRONS
bbl
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up_the_ironsi'm not fat ;) [11:57]
brycecI didn't really think so. I believe I've seen some photos of you on your Flickr :p [11:59]
m0undsbrycec is creepin [12:03]
up_the_irons:) [12:04]
m0undshttp://1drv.ms/1gfoZJU
highlight of my day
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brycecheh [12:09]
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mercutioup_the_irons: any update on the level3 connection? (just out of curiosity) [12:46]
up_the_ironsi'm getting the LOA for x-conn soon [12:46]
mercutioahh ok [12:48]
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mnathaniup_the_irons: how do trit, he.net, nlayer and other transit providers bill you? Based on bandwidth? Port Speed or 95th percentile? [16:51]
up_the_irons95th [16:53]
mnathaniso bringing in a new transit like level3 who will distribute your overall load could possibly reduce the bills from the other transits? [16:55]
up_the_ironsno because there are minimums
i should say it is 95% billing _with_ a commitment; you can't commit to 0 Mbps
so if traffic is under your commit, you still pay the full commitment price
i have to commit to 100 Mbps on all circuits to get GigE ports
that traffic in total is way more than I need
but what can ya do...
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mnathaniright..
whats the cost per mbit like?
nvm .. you probably can't disclose specific figures
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mercutioup_the_irons: you can buy off someone who aggregates? :)
but yeah not much you can do.
mnathani: it's probably in the 0.50 to $3.00 range
per megabit
for he.net vs level3
actually i have a feeling level3 is cheaper than it used to be.
but then there are port fees on top of that
so really it's best to use more bandwidth
and have more customers
up_the_irons: are you paying for in+out 95th percentile or the maximum of the two?
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up_the_ironsi'm not even sure [17:16]
mercutioheh [17:17]
up_the_ironsi never go above the min [17:17]
mercutiocurious
even with that ntp exploit?
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up_the_ironsi didn't let the ntp exploit last long enough [17:17]
mercutiooh yeh
it seemed like ages
but it was like a day or two wasn't it?
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up_the_ironsppl on twitter complain that i blocked all ntp, well fuck 'em, i tell 'em to pay my bandwidth bill and then i'll leave it open ;) [17:17]
mercutiointeresting [17:18]
up_the_ironswell, it started slow [17:18]
mercutioi wouldn't think most people would notice [17:18]
up_the_ironsit was like a ramp
they did
ppl get sensitive like that
;)
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mercutioyeh
i'd complain if you block icmp :/
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up_the_ironslol
btw, can't buy off someone who aggregates cuz the networks discourage that
(they want *you* as the customer)
bbl
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mercutioahh ok [17:19]
up_the_ironsup_the_irons wanders off [17:19]
mercutiothey can make more money that way :/
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1350362
mnathani: that thread suggests normal pricing is $10/megabit
i imagine most people don't pay normal pricing though
the jist looks like 1 gig on 10 gigabit is ~ $3.5usd/megabit
+ tax
and 100 megabit is much more
and to get sharp pricing you're meant to buy more than a gigabit commit
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m0undsup_the_irons: people complained about ntp filtering? geez. [17:31]
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brycecs/j/g/ [19:14]
BryceBot<mercutio> the gist looks like 1 gig on 10 gigabit is ~ $3.5usd/megabit [19:14]
m0unds...err?
oh
hahah
i don't know why that confused me
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mercutio1 gig commit
is that what confused?
i really thought it wsa cheaper than that
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m0undsno, the sed replace of j w/g
just didn't notice what was replaced, guess my brain did it automatically
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mercutiooh i see
i don't type that word often :/
wikitionary lists it an as alternative spelling :/
so why's it pronounced jist and spelt gist. the english langugae confuses
hmm, i suppose it's similar to git, where some people say ghit, and some people say jit
for the revision control, not for an idiot
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m0undshahaha [19:25]
brycecmercutio: as a *rare* alt spelling :P [19:26]
mercutiohaha [19:26]
brycecmercutio: 'g' as in 'giuseppe' so there :P [19:26]
mercutiosay what [19:27]
brycecItalian has soft-g too
gist, giuseppe, etc
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m0undsyo mammy [19:27]
mercutiooh
apparently git comes from beget
i find lots of computer things seem to encourage people to pronounce alternatively
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brycecbrycec still says gif with a hard-g [19:29]
mercutioso do i
is that not normal?
i usually prounce tiff "t i f f" as well
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brycecA resistance to change? Yes, totally normal :P [19:29]
mercutioerr prononunce [19:29]
brycecmercutio: you spell it out? [19:30]
mercutioyeah
if speaking verbally yes
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brycecTo differentiate from the noun? [19:30]
mercutiopartially because not everyone knows what it is [19:30]
m0undshaha [19:30]
mercutioand the spelling isn't obvious
and probably partially because it reminds me of iff
which i also spelt out
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m0undsUPS (as in power) - phoneticize or spell out as an acronym? [19:31]
brycecI instinctively spelled out i.f.f. [19:31]
mercutiospell out every time [19:31]
brycecspelled out
Same with the delivery service...
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m0undsthank you
hahahah
yeah
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mercutioas a non american i find it confusing that there is UPS and USPS [19:31]
m0undsit makes me cringe a little when people say UPPZ [19:31]
mercutioand that UPS is 4x as expensive [19:31]
m0undshaha, it's not htough
though
i trust UPS or Fedex more than USPS for packages
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brycecmercutio: as an american, it's still confusing. [19:32]
mercutioto here, from america i'd rather go with fedex or dhl
but usps is better value
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brycec"value"
I don't think I'd agree with that statement.
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mercutiowell usps has better tracking for some reason
whatever the internet seems tos ays
seems to say
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m0undsi use fedex unless i get a prepaid label for UPS or USPS [19:33]
mercutioit integrates with normal postal tracking here, ...
so can use local tracking, or the remote tracking to find more detail of where it is in US
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brycec"normal postal tracking" as in, tracking is normal? [19:33]
mercutiowhereas dhl and fedex have icky pages
umm nz post
which is the normal postal carrier here
although, for some reason they hand registered mail to couriers to deliver.
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brycecTrying to understand if you mean that your postal carrier offers tracking normally/default, or if you mean that it's integrated into their own tracking (web form, or whatever) [19:35]
mercutioit's integrated to their own tracking
well .. all country code stuff of XXNNNNNNNNNNXX is
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m0undsyea, i've seen that w/international parcels that use USPS for local delivery
i can see all the tracking stuff til delivery like it's native, but it's coming in from whatever partner service/courier is being used
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mercutioyeh they must have interconnects [19:36]
brycecGeneral consensus, at least among the people I read and converse, is that US Postal is basically dead, and practically worthless. [19:36]
staticsafeUSPS transfers to Canada Post when delivering to Canadian destinations [19:36]
mercutioit may be for local delivery
but for international from US it seems to work well.
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m0undshttps://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction.action?tLabels=9405510200986217502529 [19:36]
staticsafestaticsafe prefers UPS/Fedex [19:36]
brycecbrycec does too [19:36]
m0unds100% of that tracking showed up after the package was actually delivered [19:37]
mercutiowell i'd prefer fedex
probably
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m0undsit didn't show up at all til i had a box at my door [19:37]
mercutiobut it costs way more :/ [19:37]
brycecAlso, shipping parcels UPS/FedEx is a lot simpler [19:37]
m0undsyeah. i have a fedex acct. i sign in, fill in the address, print my label and stick it on the box [19:37]
staticsafehttps://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction.action?tLabels=LN049979968US [19:37]
bryceclol m0unds been there
m0unds: ditto.
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m0undsstaticsafe: tycho? [19:37]
staticsafeyea [19:37]
mercutiobrycec: well i wasn't really thinking of how hard it is to send [19:37]
brycecWell, company has the account... [19:37]
m0undsthat's what mine was too, lol [19:37]
staticsafei picked up the cd today from the mailbox [19:38]
m0undsright on [19:38]
mercutiowe have a few couriers here, and a local auction site like ebay
and one of the couriers is extra bad, and most people use them...
cos they're cheap
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m0undshahaha [19:38]
brycecSounds like US Postal here :P
Actually, there are worse.
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mercutioheh [19:39]
brycecOnTrac is the best of the crap third-party couriers [19:39]
mercutioisn't usps mostly just slow? [19:39]
m0undsdepends on the class of svc [19:39]
mercutiofirst class international
and priority mail
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brycecAnd the biggest bureacratic pile of... Yeah.
And confusing as fuck.
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mercutiowhich seem to be the same thing [19:39]
m0undssee, i rarely ship internationally
but priority mail is essentially guaranteed to arrive in 3 days
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mercutioerr priority mail international i mean [19:40]
brycecFedEx Ground, Express Saver, 2-day, overnight. SO SIMPLE. [19:40]
mercutiooh hmm [19:40]
m0undshahahaha, yup [19:40]
mercutioso it should be sent from the US within 3 days?
i've seen it take longer than taht!
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m0undsi'm talking domestically
within the us
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mercutio10 days from PA to NY [19:41]
m0undsoddly enough, fedex ground from NM -> NC is ~3-4 days and is the same price or cheaper than priority mail [19:41]
brycechaha [19:41]
mercutiooh hangon 5 days
then 5 days to new zelaand
i read wrong line
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m0undspaddleboat [19:42]
mercutiohmm, the 5th day is a sunday
so at least it seems they do stuff on sundays
m0unds: ups is cheaper domestically?
oh fed ex
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m0undsyea, and it just drafts from my credit card
so when i go to work, i just swing by fedex office and drop it off, no lines or anything
it's nice
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mercutiowhat i want to see is international prices for freight matching china :/ [19:44]
brycecbrycec has daily FedEx pickup [19:44]
mercutioi still don't understand how they can sell items for $1 USD including delivery
when seding a small thing domestically costs that here
let alone having anything in it, and ebay fees
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m0undswe do at work, but i can't ship personal stuff from our dock here [19:47]
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GluffiS_humm, why did my openbsd reboot...
about 3 hours ago
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hazardous<mercutio> i still don't understand how they can sell items for $1 USD including delivery
china post or w/e pays the shipping pretty much
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