#arpnetworks 2014-01-28,Tue

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Who	What	When
toddf	indeed	[00:01]
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mercutio	kwas there another outage oh looks local	[00:30]
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m0unds	yea, i can see a blip on my tunnel and vps' this morning at what looks like 0300 still see the one IP with a different route than another on the same box though, haha	[06:38]
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hazardous	http://i.imgur.com/39gygqq.png	[08:11]
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brycec	Rolling ipv6 issue? I've seen a few ARP persons' ipv6 IRC connections drop but could just be FreeNode too	[10:53]
ant	at least my nagios didn't notice anything	[10:56]
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up_the_irons	brycec: ant : i don't believe there are / were any IPv6 issues !history smokeping BryceBot: history BryceBot: help me out here! ah https://smokeping.cobryce.com/?target=ARP.Upstream6	[13:14]
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ant	up_the_irons: i don't think so either at least not arp related	[13:23]
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brycec	lol brycec finds smokeping.cobryce.com very easy to remember :p If smokeping.arpnetworks.com would be easier for you, I'll add it to nginx if you add the cname :p up_the_irons: ^	[13:35]
ant	too bad my registrar dosn't allow me to register smokepi.ng ;)	[13:37]
brycec	@tld ng	[13:37]
BryceBot	The top-level domain 'ng' is used for: Nigeria.	[13:37]
brycec	lol also up_the_irons and others, just added for your convenience @smokeping	[13:37]
BryceBot	https://smokeping.cobryce.com/	[13:37]
brycec	up_the_irons: I agree, probably just a specific route or FreeNode node.	[13:38]
toddf	I still assert brycebot should have some form of crib command groupings accessable via a privmsg of 'help' ;-)	[13:38]
brycec	assertion failed :p Someday I'll finish the documentation.. But it's way more fun to add new features than to document existing ones brycec eyes the APRS stuff	[13:38]
toddf	so add a new feature that lets ordniary users privmsg new help text to brycebot and if you wish have brycebot ask you for approval of such text before making it live ;-) like wiki + approval irc style	[13:39]
brycec	Not the worst idea I've heard	[13:40]
up_the_irons	@smokeping	[13:49]
BryceBot	https://smokeping.cobryce.com/	[13:49]
up_the_irons	lol awesome	[13:49]
brycec	toddf: https://github.com/brycied00d/BryceBot-Documentation brycec goes back to doing what he gets paid to do	[13:50]
toddf	nice!	[13:59]
hazardous	@tld xxx	[14:02]
BryceBot	The top-level domain 'xxx' is used for: Adult entertainment.	[14:02]
hazardous	the internet is for porn	[14:02]
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mike-burns	It's now for cats.	[14:31]
twobithacker	@tld cat	[14:31]
BryceBot	The top-level domain 'cat' is used for: Catalan.	[14:31]
toddf	@tld ms	[14:34]
BryceBot	The top-level domain 'ms' is used for: Montserrat.	[14:35]
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up_the_irons	@tld travel	[14:58]
BryceBot	The top-level domain 'travel' is used for: Travel related businesses.	[14:58]
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mercutio	@tld info	[15:38]
BryceBot	The top-level domain 'info' is used for: Unrestricted use.	[15:38]
mercutio	heh i think .info is when things starting falling down	[15:38]
brycec	Taken straight from wikipedia shrug	[15:38]
mercutio	@tld arpa	[15:40]
BryceBot	The top-level domain 'arpa' is used for: Address and Routing Parameter Area.	[15:40]
mercutio	pretty cool	[15:41]
brycec	Nah, cool is IDN stuff :p	[15:41]
Yamazaki-kun	if by "cool" you mean "wonderful for red-teaming"	[15:41]
brycec	@tld عمان.	[15:42]
BryceBot	The Top Level Domain 'عمان.' doesn't seem to exist (yet).	[15:42]
brycec	@tld عمان	[15:42]
BryceBot	The top-level domain 'عمان' is used for: Oman (.om).	[15:42]
Yamazaki-kun	because let's face it, why else would you want https://www.pаypal.com/ ?	[15:42]
mercutio	@tld @	[15:42]
BryceBot	The Top Level Domain '@' doesn't seem to exist (yet).	[15:42]
brycec	@tld xn--zckzah	[15:43]
BryceBot	The top-level domain 'xn--zckzah' is used for: tesuto (Japanese Test -- http://例え.テスト).	[15:43]
up_the_irons	are there any non-ASCII tlds yet?	[15:45]
brycec	Yes	[15:45]
up_the_irons	sweet	[15:45]
Yamazaki-kun	۔مسر is one	[15:46]
up_the_irons	@tld cöm	[15:46]
BryceBot	The Top Level Domain 'cöm' doesn't seem to exist (yet).	[15:46]
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Yamazaki-kun	عر، مصر hm.	[15:50]
phlux	Ok, now I do have to move on from Gentoo This shit is getting ridiculous	[15:50]
mercutio	arch?	[15:52]
brycec	Arch is a good step up from Gentoo, for those that love rolling releases :D	[15:53]
mercutio	i've started using arch for some personal machines now coming from ubuntu there are definitely some bonuses but some things are still kind of confusing	[15:53]
brycec	I use Arch on all my desktops/laptops, definitely dig it.	[15:54]
mercutio	not that ubuntu doesn't make things confusing	[15:54]
phlux	I used to use Arch	[15:54]
mercutio	like network setup i using netctl now which makes more sense	[15:54]
phlux	I went from Arch to Gentoo actually	[15:54]
brycec	lol	[15:54]
mercutio	why's that phlux? i used gentoo /years/ back i hate compiling everything	[15:54]
phlux	I found that I was using Arch's ABS more than the binary packages	[15:54]
mercutio	compiling a few things is ok	[15:54]
phlux	sooooooooooo Gentoo made sense. but lately I've been getting some weird wifi issues that I can't solve, and I'm wondering if it's the Gentoo kernel.	[15:54]
mercutio	use your own kernel?	[15:55]
phlux	Yeah, I might	[15:55]
mercutio	3.13 is out now	[15:55]
brycec	vanilla-linux or whatever it was called	[15:55]
mercutio	i was using my own kernel with ubuntu too	[15:56]
phlux	I actually think the problem is with this shitty Belkin network extender	[15:56]
mercutio	oh	[15:56]
phlux	Every time the microwave turns on, the thing shits the bed	[15:56]
mercutio	2.4 ghz?	[15:56]
phlux	That being said, every device in the house can reconnect to it afterwards aside from the Gentoo laptop yeah	[15:56]
mercutio	weird yeah i dunno why microwaves and wifi both use 2.4ghz does that mean that wifi will cook you? :)	[15:56]
phlux	If I go in there and manually unplug the extender and reconnect it, I'll be fine	[15:57]
mercutio	i have never liked belkin but it should reconnect	[15:57]
phlux	but again, that doesn't explain why I ONLY have to do that for this one particular device when everything else reconnects	[15:57]
brycec	Maybe it doesn't realize it lost the connection?	[15:58]
phlux	brycec: That's actually a good point brycec: wpa_supplicant gives me REJECT notices..	[15:58]
brycec	So could be. AP has already rotated and the client is trying to use the old keys still. Try ifdown/ifup?	[15:59]
phlux	brycec: Haven't tried ifdown/ifup, but I've killed wpa_supplicant and dhcpcd but That also doesn't explain why rebooting doesn't fix the problem I've rebooted the laptop to try and reconnect and it still gets rejected The only fix I've found is to pull the extender out of the wall and plug it back in.	[16:00]
brycec	Ah then down/up probably won't help any. What's the adapter? Yes. As does all forms of radiation... but the 2.2-2.5GHz is especially well suited to energizing H2O. 15:56:01 < mercutio> does that mean that wifi will cook you? :)	[16:02]
phlux	RTL8191SEvB In other words, RealTek something or another	[16:02]
brycec	In other words, PCI nd not really unplug/plug it back in ;p	[16:03]
phlux	brycec: Haha, indeed Well, at least I just realized that it's definitely the network extender	[16:03]
brycec	phlux: I assume you've tried cold rebooting? (completely power off) not just warm (ctrl-alt-delete)	[16:04]
phlux	so I can stick with Gentoo for a while longer, I guess brycec: Honeslty, I've just done 'sudo reboot' :P	[16:04]
brycec	heh well probably worth a shot. Unless the wifi adapter is being completely reset, can't be 100% positive it's the extender.	[16:05]
phlux	brycec: How would I go about fixing that issue if it /is/ the adapter's fault?	[16:08]
brycec	<.< >.> New adapter?	[16:08]
phlux	oh lawd I hope not	[16:08]
brycec	Same goes for s/adapter/extender/	[16:08]
phlux	I've never even popped this laptop open yeah	[16:08]
brycec	Oh it's a laptop? Better at least. When it comes to wifi, I think USB adapters are just simpler and easier these days.	[16:09]
phlux	wait Really?	[16:09]
brycec	Yes	[16:09]
phlux	USB wifi? I know the speeds on that crap used to blow but I haven't used it in a long time	[16:09]
brycec	Correct. $10 wifi dongle is a lot easier to move around, replace, etc than a PCI card.	[16:10]
phlux	Good point	[16:10]
brycec	heh nowadays, perfectly serviceable. Depends mostly on environment, but I've gotten 130mbps on some.	[16:11]
mercutio	laptops usually use the case as an antenna	[16:11]
brycec	And USB + extension cable means you can put it where the signal is better :p	[16:11]
mercutio	usb wifi thus has much smaller antenna	[16:11]
brycec	(true)	[16:11]
phlux	interesting	[16:11]
mercutio	so i'd advocate using a different wireless chip you can get 802.11ac ones for about $45 USD on ebay i think intel you can get cheaper intel non ac ones http://www.ebay.com/itm/INTEL-7260HMW-mini-PCI-E-Wireless-AC-Card-867Mbps-802-11ac-BT4-0-/331116183876?pt=US_Internal_Network_Cards&hash=item4d18100144 things like that http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Intel-7260-7260HMW-802-11ac-WiFi-ac-Bluetooth-4-0-Half-Mini-PCI-E-Card-/251333154635?pt=US_Internal_Network_Cards&hash=item3a849f974b or that	[16:11]
brycec	heh yeah if you care about .ac bandwidth, stick to PCIe cards	[16:13]
mercutio	serach and all, the first one had really high shipping cost for me, and second one has free shipping.. well ing eneral the intel wireless is better	[16:13]
m0unds	i like arch a lot i actually really like systemd too	[16:13]
phlux	well	[16:13]
brycec	Probably. If you just care about basic wifi, I say stick with the $10 adapters.	[16:13]
mercutio	it's just if you are replacing, you may want to replace with something higher end	[16:13]
phlux	I might give a USB dongle a shot	[16:14]
mercutio	adapters suck	[16:14]
m0unds	they make little mini usb dongles	[16:14]
brycec	phlux could try adding the dongle, see if it does better. Then decide if he wants to replace the builtin wifi	[16:14]
m0unds	that look like those bluetooth ones that you get w/wireless mouse/keyboard sets	[16:14]
phlux	exactly	[16:14]
m0unds	low profile	[16:14]
mercutio	http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-4965-4965AGN-wireless-WiFi-PCI-E-card-802-11N-AGN-/190422367955?pt=AU_Components&hash=item2c560ebed3	[16:14]
phlux	at the very least it'll help me rule out some things	[16:14]
brycec	http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=105&cp_id=10501&cs_id=1050108&p_id=8072&seq=1&format=2 $7.51 ^	[16:14]
m0unds	yeah exactly like that haha	[16:14]
mercutio	cheap wireless n dual band	[16:14]
brycec	And so handy to have	[16:14]
mercutio	like $6 USD and you can put in your laptop rather than dongle so use antennas if there's dodgy wifi usb dongle isn't likely to be better?	[16:14]
phlux	mercutio: yeah, but it's less effort to find out if the real issue is my hardware or the network extender	[16:16]
m0unds	i bought a pair of linksys e3000s refurbed from amazon for like $25/ea and used them as cheap APs til i got my dual band ubiquiti stuff installed	[16:16]
mercutio	it's actually really easy to change a mini pci-e card normally unless you have one of the few censoring laptops uhh hp	[16:16]
phlux	Lenovo here	[16:17]
m0unds	swapped the one in my wife's HP pretty easily had a door on the bottom to do it one screw	[16:17]
mercutio	what iwrles is it atm? m0unds: you have to be careful what card to stick in hp's	[16:17]
m0unds	it got an OEM replacement for the one that died	[16:18]
mercutio	it's not changing it that's hard, if your card isn't on the whitelist, then you need to bios mod to make it work	[16:18]
m0unds	1:1	[16:18]
mercutio	my hp laptop has intel already and goes ok	[16:18]
m0unds	hers was the same one you linked, it died, i bought another one from ebay that was pulled from another hp notebook	[16:19]
mercutio	but i think they alternate between intel and atheros or something m0unds: ahh ok	[16:19]
m0unds	that worked fine til she got a macbook	[16:19]
mercutio	the intel wireless is pretty solid	[16:19]
m0unds	yea	[16:19]
mercutio	i think i have something old like that too there's in between with 6250 ertc	[16:19]
m0unds	unlicensed bands are really badly overutilized in urban areas	[16:19]
staticsafe	intel drivers are solid on linux too iwlwifi <33333333333333333333	[16:19]
m0unds	MIMO stuff isn't helping matters	[16:19]
mercutio	i get over 10 gigabit on network :/ i don't want to use wifi wifi is fine for internet it's when you want to drag files betwen machines it gets painful	[16:20]
staticsafe	indeed	[16:23]
m0unds	whaaaat... duke nukem 3d "just updated with online deathmatch and co-op"	[16:26]
staticsafe	hm i need of those wireless PCI cards but for desktops one*	[16:28]
mercutio	i used to like blood it was like duke nukem 3d but better	[16:33]
m0unds	eh, i liked dn3d and shadow warrior better than blood played the hell out of all three you can get the opengl enabled versions of shadow warrior and dn3d for $5.99 on steam right now	[16:35]
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mnathani	@tld local	[17:01]
BryceBot	The Top Level Domain 'local' doesn't seem to exist (yet).	[17:01]
mnathani	@tld bonjour	[17:01]
BryceBot	The Top Level Domain 'bonjour' doesn't seem to exist (yet).	[17:01]
mnathani	@tld msdns	[17:01]
BryceBot	The Top Level Domain 'msdns' doesn't seem to exist (yet).	[17:01]
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Yamazaki-kun	Anyone done much with Dragonfly? Is HAMMER as awesome as it sounds? (and does it work with << 4GB?)	[17:52]
m0unds	nope, haven't tried it	[17:55]
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up_the_irons	Yamazaki-kun: HAMMER?	[17:59]
Yamazaki-kun	Dragonfly-specific filesystem kinda ZFS/btrfs-y only real problem with ZFS is low-memory performance sucks, and I use "low memory" as if I were an HPC admin. on a 1G or 2G VM? fugghedaboutit	[18:00]
up_the_irons	hahaha yeah ZFS on low mem is terrible so Dragonfly made their own filesystem, eh? that's very progressive of them.	[18:07]
Yamazaki-kun	my home FS does that... had a 2x Xeon 5300 board off Ebay to upgrade so I could get more RAM and the thing didn't see any RAM at all :( 32GB of PC2-5300F sticks waiting for a board that they like because there's no such thing as overkill. also I can run OmniOS and have file server + VM server in one.	[18:08]
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	... and DTrace requires a kernel rebuild? wtf?	[18:46]
jbergstroem	up_the_irons: HAMMER has been around for 5 years or so.. longer than btrfs if I recall correctly	[18:48]
Yamazaki-kun	okay, it doesn't. Dang, I seriously need to sign up for the documentation team and make use of my red pen.	[18:49]
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brycec	Introduced July 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAMMER	[18:56]
BryceBot	HAMMER :: HAMMER is a high-availability 64-bit file system developed by Matthew Dillon for DragonFly BSD using B-trees. Its major features include infinite NFS-exportable snapshots, master-multislave operation, configurable history retention, fsckless-mount, and checksums to deal with data corruption. HAMMER also supports data block deduplication — identical data blocks will only be stored once on a file system. A port of HAMMER...	[18:56]
milki	infinite!	[19:01]
Yamazaki-kun	just discovered make package-recursive looks like win	[19:09]
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