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| raptelan_ | uggh network connection to arp is extremely slow and intermittently timing out entirely. | [08:32] |
| raptelan | blah | [08:32] |
| raptelan_ | typing keystrokes over ssh is like using a 300 baud dial up modem while simultaneously downloading a large file :P | [08:33] |
| vtoms | what's 300 baud? | [08:34] |
| raptelan_ | bits per second
the earliest modems I remember seeing were 110 baud, then 300, then 1200, 2400, 9600, 14.4k, 28.8k, and lastly 56k which actually connected at a maximum around 50k. | [08:35] |
| vtoms | sorry was trolling, hadn't heard any one talk about dial up in so long.
j/k | [08:36] |
| raptelan_ | people grow up on broadband these days and some really genuinely don't know what 300 baud means at all :P | [08:36] |
| vtoms | in this day and age of high speed kids wouldn't even know what that is. It would be as if you ask bill gates to borrow a quarter. | [08:36] |
| RandalSchwartz | I think I had a 19.2 modem in there somewehre. | [08:37] |
| vtoms | he wouldn't know what you are talking about | [08:37] |
| raptelan_ | ah yeah 19.2 | [08:37] |
| RandalSchwartz | might be just misremembering
14.4 and 28.8 were using a different technology | [08:37] |
| raptelan_ | dunno if modems were made to that spec or if that was just a fallback connection rate, but it was one anyways. | [08:37] |
| RandalSchwartz | the 9600 was doubled to 19.2 | [08:37] |
| raptelan_ | ahh. | [08:37] |
| RandalSchwartz | don't recall a 38.4 though | [08:38] |
| raptelan_ | I do. | [08:38] |
| RandalSchwartz | I remember all the hoopla about how a modem was two or three possible standards in the sub 56k market
and even at 56k there was two or three standards the good old days. | [08:38] |
| raptelan_ | oh, and 33.6
yeah 56k was a bit of a ridiculous mess | [08:38] |
| vtoms | the good ol' days | [08:39] |
| raptelan_ | I remember thinking ISDN was the shit | [08:39] |
| RandalSchwartz | still pretty amazing getting the very last digital bit out of that analog line
using every corner of shannon-hartley's maximum bits | [08:40] |
| raptelan_ | I used dial-up exclusively for BBS's and then my first use of internet was at my mom's workplace at NIST, which had a T1 or something fast, I got spoiled on it, then talked my employer into buying dial-up - I think the fastest modem at the time was 14.4 and I called up the ISP complaining about how horribly slow it was - I thought something was really wrong.
I thought HTML worked like RIP. LOL RIP. | [08:41] |
| vtoms | are there any BBS any more? That you can dial or telnet into? | [08:42] |
| raptelan_ | yes telnet BBS's are abundant
I should probably set one up | [08:42] |
| vtoms | lol, | [08:43] |
| raptelan_ | I still use one to play LORD
pretty popular too, a whole bunch of other players I don't know that RIP exists anymore or if it is capable of working over telnet, maybe with the right client. | [08:43] |
| RandalSchwartz | just reading the modem wikipedia.
trailblazer modems spoofing the UUCP g protocol. amazing. I'd forgotten about htat | [08:45] |
| raptelan_ | I don't want to remember any more than I can't forget ;)
then again, when the internet collapses, that knowledge might come in handy because there's so much stuff being dumped on it, and it's not a big truck, so it's just a matter of time really. | [08:45] |
| RandalSchwartz | and the HST protocol from USR | [08:46] |
| raptelan_ | it's a series of tubes!
RandalSchwartz: let's not forget ZMODEM, YMODEM, and the zillion other file transfer protocols :P what I definitely did appreciate about those days was that there was a more universal caring about efficiency. | [08:47] |
| RandalSchwartz | ... When calculated, the Shannon capacity of a narrowband line is , with the (linear) signal-to-noise ratio. Narrowband phone lines have a bandwidth of 3000 Hz so using (SNR = 24 dB), the capacity is approximately 24 kbit/s.[3] | [08:49] |
| raptelan_ | IT people have by and large gotten lazy and dumber since then. | [08:50] |
| RandalSchwartz | zmodem - invented by a fellow portlander!
I met Chuck a few times | [08:50] |
| raptelan_ | I met you once. :P
seem to remember there being some fine English tobacco involved. | [08:50] |
| RandalSchwartz | modern IT people just think about webscale and sharding. :) | [08:51] |
| jpalmer | I've met you never :p I've missed you in a few cities by a week or so. | [08:51] |
| raptelan_ | haha yeah :)
it astounds me that people think they need database architecture design to "thousands of nodes", when systems are so ridiculously powerful these days that's a quote from my last boss, and a big part of why I quit. my perspective was pretty simple - if a customer needed to buy thousands of nodes to run our inefficient product, we were gonna run out of clients pretty fast. | [08:51] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah | [08:55] |
| raptelan_ | w-w-w-windows windows, windows 386!
ever watch that infomercial? | [08:55] |
| RandalSchwartz | I don't think so | [08:56] |
| raptelan_ | RandalSchwartz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noEHHB6rnMI
it's 12 minutes of your life you'll never get back, but it's pretty worth it. | [08:56] |
| raptelan | ooh, network seems okay again. | [09:10] |
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| up_the_irons | vtoms: raptelan : 300 baud is actually "symbols per second", not bits. baud comes from the Baudot Code for telegraphy and is a unit of symbol rate. when things went digital and every "symbol" was in fact a bit, then people started using baud and bps interchangably, yet they are not
up_the_irons learned something from his HAM studies | [11:47] |
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| vtoms | up_the_irons that's interesting are they where were they prior to being bits? | [12:10] |
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| raptelan | RandalSchwartz: eh? Siskel's dead.
hah, siskelandebert.org is throwing a 'No space left on device' error, too. | [13:40] |
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| up_the_irons | vtoms: your question makes no sense... ;) | [14:44] |
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| toddf | is there anything odd going on on kvr22 ?
I've had a vps thats had months of uptime and suddenly it locks out of the blue, kernel debugger is non responsive even, reboot, and it does the same again 2x already in the last little bit, my arrival and departure here can be associated with its outages | [14:47] |
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| nesta | hi all | [14:51] |
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| up_the_irons | toddf: nothing noted that i can see
hi nesta | [14:55] |
| toddf | up_the_irons: apprceciate checking, now to find what changed on my end I guess ...
maybe its time to update ;-) | [14:56] |
| up_the_irons | np | [14:56] |
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| toddf | uugh is anybody having issues with kvr22?
something is destabalizing my vps there today bigtime | [23:13] |
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