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| toddf | I've even been told I needed to top-post for support tickets to be readable
I've heard of top vs bottom vs inerjecting replies within the original email wars but .. never seen an instance prior to that .. that meant doing the wrong thing rendered text inaccessable to the intended target audience .. *shrug* .. seems like a quirk to me, but I can't really complain, just noting an oddity i guess .. | [03:55] |
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| plett | The ticketing system isn't just RT or similar? | [04:48] |
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| nestea | hey up_the_irons | [08:56] |
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| mercutio | toddf: interjection seems to make the most sense as a way to me
i never got why they were fighting over top/bottom | [12:21] |
| toddf | I got the distinct impression that up_the_irons' problem tracking software filtered any responses unless they were top posted | [12:25] |
| brycec | Most of the ticket systems I deal with have a line "INCLUDE RESPONSE ABOVE THIS LINE"
And even my company's own will ignore anything below a separator line (e.g. --- Forwarded message below ---) | [12:25] |
| andol | Seems like there are still reasons to prefer RT then, even if it certainly has its faults too. | [12:34] |
| mike-burns | How would you, as a programmer, implement an email parser for interjection-style responses? | [12:36] |
| nestea | mike-burns; toddf: any idea when up_the_irons will be around? | [12:36] |
| mike-burns | No idea. | [12:37] |
| mercutio | i hate it when ticket systems send me html mail
or when anything sends me html mail for that matter i need some kind of html2ascii translator for email | [12:38] |
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| mercutio | one thing i've noticed now days is hardly anyone knows how to bounce email with headers intact | [12:39] |
| mike-burns | I use w3m for my HTML mail conversion. Mailcap. | [12:40] |
| mercutio | does it convert and then just bring up vim to respond to emails? | [12:40] |
| nestea | heavysixer: any idea when up_the_irons will be around? | [12:40] |
| mercutio | i use links to see my html emails, but it's like separate context | [12:41] |
| mike-burns | mercutio: Yeah, the text gets piped to vim for the response. Though usually I don't have anything to say to someone who sends me HTM Lemails. | [12:41] |
| heavysixer | nestea: that i don't
he's in the Pacific Time Zone and tends to work very late. | [12:42] |
| mercutio | mike-burns: heh | [12:43] |
| nestea | okey dokey, thanks | [12:43] |
| mercutio | i've been kind of wondering about using imap
haven't started acutally doign anything with it but lots of people send pdfs and html mail now days it seems so currently i end up bouncing all the pdfs to gmail cos i'm reading my mail over ssh | [12:43] |
| mike-burns | I use IMAP for my email, and that does provide a solution: I can download it locally or onto my phone (K-9). | [12:45] |
| mercutio | hmm i'd hate to think what my phone would be like with my mail volume
i currently have 70208 messages in my inbox | [12:45] |
| mike-burns | That's close to inbox-zero! | [12:46] |
| mercutio | which is most non mailing list email
i miss mails even more often if i filter them all into areas or such <wonders why there's so many> | [12:46] |
| mike-burns | You're only 70203 emails away from a managable inbox. | [12:47] |
| mercutio | oh that also includes a whole lot of forurm post messsages
like when a forum tells you someone said anthing | [12:47] |
| mike-burns | Ah. | [12:47] |
| mercutio | i dunno, with that kind of thing i like to be notified, but i don't really want it to stick around in my main mail box hmm
i could delete them i suppose it also includes facebook notifications and uhh i joined twitter and linkedin both of which like to randomly message me | [12:47] |
| mike-burns | I have five in my personal inbox: one is a note that I just need to write down somewhere, and four are people who want me to give a talk. | [12:48] |
| mercutio | saying "you might like to use our pathetic service more!"
nice :) | [12:48] |
| mike-burns | Oh man, LinkedIn. I refuse to use them just because their spam is bad when I'm not even a member! | [12:49] |
| mercutio | 2766 just frmo one forum hmm
they email to say someone's replied to a thread i posted in not even to me necessarily! | [12:49] |
| mike-burns | I filter emails after I've read them. I still get the benefit of one inbox, but I can find the email later. | [12:50] |
| mercutio | and you have to go back onto the forum to actually reply
yeh filter is why i like to have most things in one place like some people section their mail off and they're looking for something and cna't find it my main penalty is that my email client takes up like 80 mb of ram but that's not too much of a concern these days | [12:50] |
| mike-burns | I use grep to find things, typically. | [12:51] |
| mercutio | grep is much slower if you don't need to go into message body
like my mail box is 668M | [12:51] |
| mike-burns | Increasingly I use git-grep, which is pretty quick. | [12:52] |
| mercutio | oh does it index or something? | [12:52] |
| mike-burns | I don't know the internals. But each email is committed to git with the subject and senders in the commit message, and git seems to be fast at searching that. | [12:52] |
| mercutio | oh this other forum is 24626 messages | [12:53] |
| mike-burns | Yipes; my Maildir is 3.2GB.
Ah; Maildir/.git is 2GB. | [12:53] |
| mercutio | doing the same thing wtih notifying me that someone else posted | [12:53] |
| mike-burns | How fun. | [12:53] |
| mercutio | mercutio moves all the mail
maildir is slow to du | [12:53] |
| mike-burns | I was just thinking the same. | [12:54] |
| mercutio | i have only 2.6gig of emial
my work email is probably bigger and slower hah | [12:54] |
| mike-burns | Same here, but I don't know how to run du on Gmail. | [12:55] |
| mercutio | gmail shows you storage used
at the bottom of the page i'm using 0% of my gmail quota i think 1% full | [12:56] |
| mike-burns | 0.2GB, it says! Huh! | [12:56] |
| mercutio | Using 0.1 GB of your 10.1 GB
heh my work email is stil du'ing oh it's on nfs :) | [12:56] |
| mike-burns | Hah. | [12:57] |
| mercutio | and maildir
well a combination it's only 1.2 gb i think i culled mailing lsits i used to rename my inbox and then gzip it sometimes but that was mostly clean slate type thinking | [12:57] |
| mike-burns | Did you even look in the prior inboxes?
s/even/ever/ | [12:58] |
| toddf | I have a .procmailrc that filters into a few mailboxen with .YYYY-MM tagged on the end, I archive after 2-3 months or so..
I search prior mailboxes all the time, usually 6months to 2 years later | [12:59] |
| mike-burns | My archives are full of painful memories. | [12:59] |
| mercutio | mike: yeh i did!
it was amsuing to read emails from over 10 yaers ago | [13:00] |
| toddf | I have a lot of business and personal intermixed and sometimes I leave info in an email because I know I can get back to it .. I should xfer it to ohter places like some addressbook thingey or whatever | [13:00] |
| mercutio | wtf
chrome randomly crashed i wasn't even using it mike-burns: pain can be invigorating! | [13:00] |
| mike-burns | Yeah! | [13:01] |
| mercutio | toddf: wouldn't it be easier to double filter to another mail box that kept mail fo rlike 3 years?
err easier to search through | [13:02] |
| nestea | I wish I had people to email :( | [13:03] |
| mike-burns | nestea: You can email support@ a whole bunch! | [13:03] |
| mercutio | nestea: heh
nestea: just post random messages to linux-kernel mailing list saying that richard stallman is the devil and his name should not be associated with linux | [13:03] |
| nestea | heheh
GNU/LINUX PLEASE | [13:04] |
| mercutio | haha
bsd please | [13:04] |
| nestea | LINUX IS JUST THE KERNEL OK
:) | [13:04] |
| mercutio | whatever happened to hurd? | [13:05] |
| nestea | RMS happened to hurd
actualy I heard a while back that they were almost ready to release it for use or something | [13:05] |
| mike-burns | I have no idea what I would use HURD for.
Linux does laptops well, and *BSD does servers well ... where does HURD fit in? | [13:05] |
| nestea | hehe | [13:06] |
| mercutio | i dunno, some ai lab?
fill of middle aged ex-hippies | [13:07] |
| nestea | what about Plan9
does that have a use | [13:07] |
| mercutio | nestea: plan9 was always a research os | [13:07] |
| nestea | yeah
I remember installing that once to try to use as a desktop lol that went swimmingly | [13:07] |
| mercutio | i was looking through squid source code and saw all these ifdef's for news-os
and i had no idea what it was so i googled and apparently it's an old 68k based computer that never seemed to go anywhere http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_NEWS | [13:08] |
| nestea | ha yeah
reading now | [13:09] |
| mike-burns | What a waste of an ifdef! | [13:09] |
| nestea | loool
indeed | [13:09] |
| mercutio | mike-burns: they were all over the place
squid source is messy | [13:10] |
| mike-burns | Needs more aspect-oriented programming. Clearly. | [13:10] |
| mercutio | i was trying to implement tcp fast open
i was getting rather lost i thought i could make my browsing faster :( | [13:10] |
| mike-burns | Noble goal. | [13:11] |
| mercutio | it's like 180 msec versus 340 msec
to request a 20k file so it should be noticable | [13:11] |
| mike-burns | Nice. | [13:11] |
| mercutio | of course as connections get persistent, or bigger it makes less difference
but i've been having slow image downloads frmo cnn recently and shaving of 160msec+ latency could help i got lighttp and apache traffic server to be able to receive tcp fast open requests and wget to send them but like you need linux 3.7 on server linux 3.6 on client and 3.7 isn't even out yet | [13:12] |
| mike-burns | Heh. Just a small requirement, sure. | [13:14] |
| mercutio | so maybe if i wait a few months someone else will do it
i'm hoping openbsd implement it cos really, if everyone starts doing it, it should speed up the interweb | [13:14] |
| mike-burns | And everyone would like that. | [13:15] |
| mercutio | yeh
well alraedy people are sending larger initial streams 10xmss is pretty common now cos linux 3.0 or higher default to it openbsd did it in 5.1 or 5.2 can't remember which oh 5.2 | [13:16] |
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| up_the_irons | mercutio: mutt has auto html2ascii; if i get an email that is just html, no text part, it converts it
107 # Requires copiousoutput entries in .mailcap 108 auto_view text/html that's the config (ignore line numbers) nestea: mercutio : believe it or not, i have a few Plan9 VPS customers (dunno what they use it for) | [15:57] |
| mercutio | up_the_irons: oh cool | [16:00] |
| nestea | yeah up_the_irons I rmemeber someone saying something about it before
Plan9 is cool imho not that I know much :P | [16:00] |
| mercutio | heh mutt takes ages to restart
if i didn't use tmux i'd get frustrated by it oh what when there's an ascii and html mail in one it shows the html one :( but other than that it seems to work ok | [16:01] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: hmm. shows ascii to me
mercutio: i use offlineimap too, so it loads in an instant for me | [16:03] |
| mercutio | hmm | [16:04] |
| mike-burns | alternative_order | [16:04] |
| mercutio | well this email is basicalyl spam anyway | [16:04] |
| mike-burns | http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-5.html#ss5.5 | [16:04] |
| mercutio | maybe they're doing something weird
oh wtf, scanning through email i joined deviantart once and they do plain+html too, but the plain has a url that's like 20+ lines long 32 32 5064 a 5kb url | [16:04] |
| mike-burns | Hah. | [16:06] |
| mercutio | and they have it 6 times!
the whole plain email part is only 31k html is 81k 112k for some lame email i didn't even awnt | [16:07] |
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| mercutio | i suppose that's as big asm ost web pages are these days | [16:08] |
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| staticsafe | plain text emails ftw | [16:10] |
| mercutio | yeh | [16:10] |
| up_the_irons | finally
figured out how to do float exponents in ruby 1.8.7 :007 > 10**0.6 => 3.98107170553497 1.8.7 :008 > you would think i'd already know, being a long time Rails developer, but... never had to do much math | [16:15] |
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| toddf | there is also isync, which I find much faster and less overhead than offlineimap (python = offlineimap, c = isync)
now if only isync did v6 by default | [21:26] |
| github.com/toddfries/rssparse <-- what I view text/html with in mutt
see README.samples for an example | [21:38] | |
| mnathani | was anyone else impacted by Amazons outage earlier today? | [21:41] |
| toddf | I was not, but I only have an empty amazon account w/nothing in it ;-) | [21:42] |
| mnathani | I had used your shell script earlier for testing DNS propagation. Thought you might be interested in my web based DNS tools : http://dns.winvive.com | [21:44] |
| brycec | I was in that I couldn't visit reddit | [21:51] |
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| mnathani | up_the_irons: I know all standard VPS come with one core, but does a smaller VPS have less CPU Access vs a Larger VPS? Basically how are CPU resources shared among many VPS accounts? | [22:29] |
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