#arpnetworks 2012-10-22,Mon

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toddfI've even been told I needed to top-post for support tickets to be readable
I've heard of top vs bottom vs inerjecting replies within the original email wars but .. never seen an instance prior to that .. that meant doing the wrong thing rendered text inaccessable to the intended target audience .. *shrug* .. seems like a quirk to me, but I can't really complain, just noting an oddity i guess ..
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plettThe ticketing system isn't just RT or similar? [04:48]
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nesteahey up_the_irons [08:56]
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mercutiotoddf: interjection seems to make the most sense as a way to me
i never got why they were fighting over top/bottom
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toddfI got the distinct impression that up_the_irons' problem tracking software filtered any responses unless they were top posted [12:25]
brycecMost of the ticket systems I deal with have a line "INCLUDE RESPONSE ABOVE THIS LINE"
And even my company's own will ignore anything below a separator line (e.g. --- Forwarded message below ---)
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andolSeems like there are still reasons to prefer RT then, even if it certainly has its faults too. [12:34]
mike-burnsHow would you, as a programmer, implement an email parser for interjection-style responses? [12:36]
nesteamike-burns; toddf: any idea when up_the_irons will be around? [12:36]
mike-burnsNo idea. [12:37]
mercutioi hate it when ticket systems send me html mail
or when anything sends me html mail for that matter
i need some kind of html2ascii translator for email
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mercutioone thing i've noticed now days is hardly anyone knows how to bounce email with headers intact [12:39]
mike-burnsI use w3m for my HTML mail conversion. Mailcap. [12:40]
mercutiodoes it convert and then just bring up vim to respond to emails? [12:40]
nesteaheavysixer: any idea when up_the_irons will be around? [12:40]
mercutioi use links to see my html emails, but it's like separate context [12:41]
mike-burnsmercutio: Yeah, the text gets piped to vim for the response. Though usually I don't have anything to say to someone who sends me HTM Lemails. [12:41]
heavysixernestea: that i don't
he's in the Pacific Time Zone
and tends to work very late.
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mercutiomike-burns: heh [12:43]
nesteaokey dokey, thanks [12:43]
mercutioi've been kind of wondering about using imap
haven't started acutally doign anything with it
but lots of people send pdfs and html mail now days it seems
so currently i end up bouncing all the pdfs to gmail
cos i'm reading my mail over ssh
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mike-burnsI use IMAP for my email, and that does provide a solution: I can download it locally or onto my phone (K-9). [12:45]
mercutiohmm i'd hate to think what my phone would be like with my mail volume
i currently have 70208 messages in my inbox
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mike-burnsThat's close to inbox-zero! [12:46]
mercutiowhich is most non mailing list email
i miss mails even more often if i filter them all into areas or such
<wonders why there's so many>
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mike-burnsYou're only 70203 emails away from a managable inbox. [12:47]
mercutiooh that also includes a whole lot of forurm post messsages
like when a forum tells you someone said anthing
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mike-burnsAh. [12:47]
mercutioi dunno, with that kind of thing i like to be notified, but i don't really want it to stick around in my main mail box hmm
i could delete them i suppose
it also includes facebook notifications
and uhh i joined twitter and linkedin both of which like to randomly message me
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mike-burnsI have five in my personal inbox: one is a note that I just need to write down somewhere, and four are people who want me to give a talk. [12:48]
mercutiosaying "you might like to use our pathetic service more!"
nice :)
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mike-burnsOh man, LinkedIn. I refuse to use them just because their spam is bad when I'm not even a member! [12:49]
mercutio2766 just frmo one forum hmm
they email to say someone's replied to a thread i posted in
not even to me necessarily!
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mike-burnsI filter emails after I've read them. I still get the benefit of one inbox, but I can find the email later. [12:50]
mercutioand you have to go back onto the forum to actually reply
yeh filter is why i like to have most things in one place
like some people section their mail off
and they're looking for something and cna't find it
my main penalty is that my email client takes up like 80 mb of ram
but that's not too much of a concern these days
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mike-burnsI use grep to find things, typically. [12:51]
mercutiogrep is much slower if you don't need to go into message body
like my mail box is 668M
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mike-burnsIncreasingly I use git-grep, which is pretty quick. [12:52]
mercutiooh does it index or something? [12:52]
mike-burnsI don't know the internals. But each email is committed to git with the subject and senders in the commit message, and git seems to be fast at searching that. [12:52]
mercutiooh this other forum is 24626 messages [12:53]
mike-burnsYipes; my Maildir is 3.2GB.
Ah; Maildir/.git is 2GB.
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mercutiodoing the same thing wtih notifying me that someone else posted [12:53]
mike-burnsHow fun. [12:53]
mercutiomercutio moves all the mail
maildir is slow to du
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mike-burnsI was just thinking the same. [12:54]
mercutioi have only 2.6gig of emial
my work email is probably bigger
and slower hah
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mike-burnsSame here, but I don't know how to run du on Gmail. [12:55]
mercutiogmail shows you storage used
at the bottom of the page
i'm using 0% of my gmail quota i think
1% full
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mike-burns0.2GB, it says! Huh! [12:56]
mercutioUsing 0.1 GB of your 10.1 GB
heh
my work email is stil du'ing
oh it's on nfs :)
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mike-burnsHah. [12:57]
mercutioand maildir
well a combination
it's only 1.2 gb
i think i culled mailing lsits
i used to rename my inbox and then gzip it sometimes
but that was mostly clean slate type thinking
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mike-burnsDid you even look in the prior inboxes?
s/even/ever/
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toddfI have a .procmailrc that filters into a few mailboxen with .YYYY-MM tagged on the end, I archive after 2-3 months or so..
I search prior mailboxes all the time, usually 6months to 2 years later
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mike-burnsMy archives are full of painful memories. [12:59]
mercutiomike: yeh i did!
it was amsuing to read emails from over 10 yaers ago
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toddfI have a lot of business and personal intermixed and sometimes I leave info in an email because I know I can get back to it .. I should xfer it to ohter places like some addressbook thingey or whatever [13:00]
mercutiowtf
chrome randomly crashed
i wasn't even using it
mike-burns: pain can be invigorating!
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mike-burnsYeah! [13:01]
mercutiotoddf: wouldn't it be easier to double filter to another mail box that kept mail fo rlike 3 years?
err easier to search through
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nesteaI wish I had people to email :( [13:03]
mike-burnsnestea: You can email support@ a whole bunch! [13:03]
mercutionestea: heh
nestea: just post random messages to linux-kernel mailing list saying that richard stallman is the devil
and his name should not be associated with linux
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nesteaheheh
GNU/LINUX PLEASE
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mercutiohaha
bsd please
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nesteaLINUX IS JUST THE KERNEL OK
:)
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mercutiowhatever happened to hurd? [13:05]
nesteaRMS happened to hurd
actualy I heard a while back that they were almost ready to release it for use or something
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mike-burnsI have no idea what I would use HURD for.
Linux does laptops well, and *BSD does servers well ... where does HURD fit in?
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nesteahehe [13:06]
mercutioi dunno, some ai lab?
fill of middle aged ex-hippies
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nesteawhat about Plan9
does that have a use
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mercutionestea: plan9 was always a research os [13:07]
nesteayeah
I remember installing that once to try to use as a desktop
lol
that went swimmingly
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mercutioi was looking through squid source code and saw all these ifdef's for news-os
and i had no idea what it was so i googled
and apparently it's an old 68k based computer
that never seemed to go anywhere
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_NEWS
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nesteaha yeah
reading now
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mike-burnsWhat a waste of an ifdef! [13:09]
nestealoool
indeed
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mercutiomike-burns: they were all over the place
squid source is messy
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mike-burnsNeeds more aspect-oriented programming. Clearly. [13:10]
mercutioi was trying to implement tcp fast open
i was getting rather lost
i thought i could make my browsing faster :(
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mike-burnsNoble goal. [13:11]
mercutioit's like 180 msec versus 340 msec
to request a 20k file
so it should be noticable
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mike-burnsNice. [13:11]
mercutioof course as connections get persistent, or bigger it makes less difference
but i've been having slow image downloads frmo cnn recently
and shaving of 160msec+ latency could help
i got lighttp and apache traffic server to be able to receive tcp fast open requests
and wget to send them
but like you need linux 3.7 on server
linux 3.6 on client
and 3.7 isn't even out yet
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mike-burnsHeh. Just a small requirement, sure. [13:14]
mercutioso maybe if i wait a few months someone else will do it
i'm hoping openbsd implement it
cos really, if everyone starts doing it, it should speed up the interweb
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mike-burnsAnd everyone would like that. [13:15]
mercutioyeh
well alraedy people are sending larger initial streams
10xmss is pretty common now
cos linux 3.0 or higher default to it
openbsd did it in 5.1 or 5.2
can't remember which
oh 5.2
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up_the_ironsmercutio: mutt has auto html2ascii; if i get an email that is just html, no text part, it converts it
107 # Requires copiousoutput entries in .mailcap
108 auto_view text/html
that's the config
(ignore line numbers)
nestea: mercutio : believe it or not, i have a few Plan9 VPS customers (dunno what they use it for)
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mercutioup_the_irons: oh cool [16:00]
nesteayeah up_the_irons I rmemeber someone saying something about it before
Plan9 is cool imho
not that I know much :P
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mercutioheh mutt takes ages to restart
if i didn't use tmux i'd get frustrated by it
oh what
when there's an ascii and html mail in one it shows the html one :(
but other than that it seems to work ok
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up_the_ironsmercutio: hmm. shows ascii to me
mercutio: i use offlineimap too, so it loads in an instant for me
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mercutiohmm [16:04]
mike-burnsalternative_order [16:04]
mercutiowell this email is basicalyl spam anyway [16:04]
mike-burnshttp://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-5.html#ss5.5 [16:04]
mercutiomaybe they're doing something weird
oh wtf, scanning through email i joined deviantart once and they do plain+html too, but the plain has a url that's like 20+ lines long
32 32 5064
a 5kb url
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mike-burnsHah. [16:06]
mercutioand they have it 6 times!
the whole plain email part is only 31k
html is 81k
112k for some lame email i didn't even awnt
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mercutioi suppose that's as big asm ost web pages are these days [16:08]
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staticsafeplain text emails ftw [16:10]
mercutioyeh [16:10]
up_the_ironsfinally
figured out how to do float exponents in ruby
1.8.7 :007 > 10**0.6
=> 3.98107170553497
1.8.7 :008 >
you would think i'd already know, being a long time Rails developer, but... never had to do much math
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toddfthere is also isync, which I find much faster and less overhead than offlineimap (python = offlineimap, c = isync)
now if only isync did v6 by default
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github.com/toddfries/rssparse <-- what I view text/html with in mutt
see README.samples for an example
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mnathaniwas anyone else impacted by Amazons outage earlier today? [21:41]
toddfI was not, but I only have an empty amazon account w/nothing in it ;-) [21:42]
mnathaniI had used your shell script earlier for testing DNS propagation. Thought you might be interested in my web based DNS tools : http://dns.winvive.com [21:44]
brycecI was in that I couldn't visit reddit [21:51]
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mnathaniup_the_irons: I know all standard VPS come with one core, but does a smaller VPS have less CPU Access vs a Larger VPS? Basically how are CPU resources shared among many VPS accounts? [22:29]
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