#arpnetworks 2011-10-25,Tue

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RandalSchwartzup_the_irons - not yet, other than backstage bar and grill for the great happy hour and this one particular bartender. :) [10:08]
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toddffinally used the map { } construct in perl. pure elegant ip address sorting. ;-) [10:43]
RandalSchwartzcool [10:43]
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pjsRandalSchwartz you move down to LA? [12:14]
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jpalmerRandalSchwartz: you gotta try "the happy ending" the sliders there are awesome. [12:29]
jlgaddis-sjcjpalmer: do you have the ability to check if a coupon code is still valid? [12:34]
jpalmerjlgaddis-sjc: at ARP? nosir, I have no access these days [12:34]
jlgaddis-sjcahh, okie dokie
thanks
[12:35]
jpalmerup_the_irons wrote some code that.. replaced me :P lol [12:35]
jlgaddis-sjclol, that sucks [12:35]
up_the_ironsLOL
automate and delegate(tm)
jlgaddis-sjc: what code?
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jpalmernah, I was only really handking DNS requests.. and only to help him out because I saw how much time he was spending on them. so I handled them while he took that time to write the DNS code [12:36]
jlgaddis-sjc""Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script."
s/^"//
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jpalmerjlgaddis-sjc: hah yep :P [12:36]
up_the_ironshah [12:36]
jlgaddis-sjcup_the_irons: "EVIL", i think... lemme check. [12:36]
up_the_ironsjlgaddis-sjc: that is the 2nd month free one. i can still do that, yeah [12:37]
jpalmerLuckily, I wasn't replaced by a one-liner. I'd be questioning my purpose for existance :P [12:37]
jlgaddis-sjcup_the_irons: cool, @tbourke is looking for a new vps provider, pref. on the west coast. figured i'd try to trick^Wconvince him to try arp. =) [12:38]
jpalmerit is the season for trickery ;) [12:38]
jlgaddis-sjcheh, interestingly enough i keep finding out about other (former, now) coworkers who also signed up w/ arp. [12:41]
up_the_ironshah cool [12:42]
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up_the_ironsthat happened to a friend of mine in LA recently. he said he found out a co-worker signed up a VPS and he didn't even tell him about ARP [12:43]
jlgaddis-sjcyeah, this one (scott woodall) read one of my posts a long time ago and signed up then, apparently
and everyone i know seems to stick w/ you after the "probationary period" so i guess that says something =)
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up_the_ironshaha yeah; ARP is sticky
reliability ftw
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jlgaddis-sjci usually pull up my uptime reports from pingdom... which says as of right now, 99.98% uptime in the last 365 days
2h7m37s downtime, most of which from when i went from freebsd to debian
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up_the_ironsnice
I don't wanna jinx anything, but here's one of my hosts:
$ uptime
11:34:41 up 733 days, 20:33, 2 users, load average: 1.45, 1.59, 1.52
$
up_the_irons knocks on wood
holy crap, that is 3 days longer than 2 years
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mike-burnsmike-burns looks for old security holes. [12:50]
jlgaddis-sjcup_the_irons: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jlgaddis/4340673033/in/photostream [12:50]
up_the_ironshah cool [12:52]
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ifthenMy personal ruptime consistently runs 600 seconds. :) [14:13]
b1k3ryd3rlol
ruptime
?
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ifthenIt's a metaphor [14:29]
b1k3ryd3ryes, hence my '?'
I do not understand what your metaphor means
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ifthenIt means I am dropped every 600 seconds of inactivity. [14:30]
b1k3ryd3rah
rightio
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ifthenI know it's bsd or arp because a simultaneous connection to another isp holds up.
web source suggested something about autologout setting in .cshrc
last random web advice I followed got me locked out for a while.
can't find the answer in the handbook either.
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RandalSchwartzdropped from what? [14:35]
ifthenfrom ssh login Randall, thanks [14:35]
bobathere are some clientalive type settings you can play with in sshd_config [14:35]
RandalSchwartzthat's likely a function of your shell
man $yourshell :)
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ifthenboba i did look in ssh_config and it's not too promising. [14:36]
RandalSchwartzunless it's also killing you inside another app [14:36]
b1k3ryd3rah it happens to me too, I just use screen and ssh back in.. I figure its just my internet tethering with my phone.. its bound to happen [14:36]
bobano, sshd_config [14:36]
ifthenboba my error but I looked there too. [14:36]
RandalSchwartzRandalSchwartz waits for ifthen to notice his suggestions [14:37]
ifthenRandall what in the shell is it? Pun intended. [14:37]
bobai have ClientAliveInterval set to 60, ClientAliveCountMax set to 3 [14:37]
b1k3ryd3rusually I find that as long as something is 'happening' in the shell it does not drop .. if it is an unattended shell they tend to drop very easy [14:38]
RandalSchwartzif that's a serious question, please elaborate
start by answering which shell you are using.
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ifthenblk* so you're getting the same behavior as me? [14:38]
RandalSchwartzRandalSchwartz wanders off [14:39]
b1k3ryd3ryes ifthen [14:39]
bobaheh [14:39]
ifthenRandal I'm trying [14:39]
b1k3ryd3rifthen: ignore it [14:39]
RandalSchwartznot very well. :P( [14:39]
b1k3ryd3runhelpful advice really
man bash
will not really help you
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RandalSchwartzSimple. Question. What. Shell. Are. You. Using.
b1k3ryd3r - we don't know if he's using bash
unless you know something from an earlier conversation
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ifthenRandall the stock csh on FreeBsd [14:40]
RandalSchwartzI think the stock csh has a timeout
are you getting the word "logout" after 10 minutes?
as in, have you noticed what happens?
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ifthenRS no it just quits silently
The screen dies and won't respond.
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RandalSchwartzsee if "autologout" is set
oh, you're in screen?
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ifthenI have to ssh in again. [14:41]
RandalSchwartzthen yes, that's likely a TCP problem
and yes, you can force ssh to keep sending traffic
are you behind a NAT firewall?
s/firewall// :)
NAT might be timing out after 10 minutes
so then you don't have a good connect
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ifthenRS I assume the time-warner modem is but still not problem with other SSH sites. [14:42]
RandalSchwartzmaybe other sites continue to send more things
and yes, see sshd_config then
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pjsunset autologout [14:42]
RandalSchwartzand possibly ssh_config [14:42]
pjs(if its a cshell) [14:42]
ifthenpjs it is a cshell and I don't think I have an autologout IIRC but will recheck [14:43]
RandalSchwartzecho "TCPKeepAlive yes" >>$HOME/.ssh/config # on your local box
see if that fixes it
the default is "yes" though
I dunno. I abhor the csh, so I don't use it anywhere
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ifthenRS my local box is a macbook but I will try. [14:44]
pjsifthen I add 'unset autologout' to all my .tcshrc's.. by default it's enabled [14:44]
RandalSchwartzyeah, see if autologout is set [14:44]
ifthenOK I will check for a .autologout but I think I did already. [14:45]
RandalSchwartznot .autologout [14:45]
ifthenok no dot [14:45]
RandalSchwartzit's a variable
type "set" at your shell
see if autologout is one of them
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ifthenok I have tried env and not seen it [14:46]
RandalSchwartznot env
"set"
RandalSchwartz rolls eyes
IT'S NOT IN THE ENV. IT'S A SHELL VAR.
a bit new to this, eh? :)
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ifthenRS all right already
How did you guess?
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RandalSchwartzwe're not casual about what we're asking. we're being precise. please just listen to what we're typing
don't hallucinate. :(
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ifthenBelieve me I will be reading this log and thank you RS
Going to check "set"
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pjsRandalSchwartz so you moved to LA recently or...?
(sorry if I missed your answer earlier)
[14:49]
RandalSchwartzI just work in LA.
I still live in Portland.
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pjsGotcha
what part of town?
(work in LA that is)
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RandalSchwartzCulver City [14:50]
ifthenthanks pjs also. [14:50]
RandalSchwartz(mt) Media Temple :) [14:50]
pjsRandalSchwartz oh nice.. They wanted me to interview a while back.. not looking for work tho. Cool company for sure
ifthen sure thing
[14:51]
RandalSchwartzJust a contractor here.
moving them from svn to git
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pjsright on.. how long are you in town for? [14:53]
RandalSchwartzongoing [14:53]
pjscool.. I think there's a few LA guys here.. we should all meet for beers n such [14:53]
RandalSchwartzif you mean "for what specific range of days", see http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/dot-plan.txt
there's a webcal link in there to be able to stalk me down to the hour. :)
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pjshah, I'll stick with IRC ;) [14:55]
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jpalmerRandalSchwartz: I was in Portland a couple weeks ago for puppetconf [18:59]
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RandalSchwartzjpalmer - I was in portland over the weekend but otherwise not there
my default location is Culver City now
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