#arpnetworks 2011-05-13,Fri

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eyecueahhh
TGIF.
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Geyecue: congratulations on surviving black friday ):
*:)
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eyecuemuchos gracias
what a week aye
spend the latter half of today enthralled in rack and rack accessory pricing from our supplier
and trying to work out front and rear of rack configurations
up_the_irons; on a related note, ive specd and quotes the apx sx's and switched pdu's.
s/apx/apc
im currently stuck on vertical cable management for the front of our patch cabinet :|
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Ghmmmm only a couple of minutes until I can play "Lets see how bad I can stuff up my MythTV setup" :) [01:21]
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DaCaazmarco: please msg me too [01:47]
eyecuejesus christ i love internode.
made a plan change last night adsl1->adsl2+, rollerover is midnight tonight, and theyve already made the dslam switch
i 'knew' my IRC messages were downloading faster tonight :D
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Geyecue: wow, thats fast [02:00]
eyecueinternode are oarsome
seriously
i was loading up apc.com and though to myself *hell thats quick*
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Geyecue: when I was in Brisbane internode didn't have any equipment in my exchange [02:00]
eyecuedid a speed check and realised i was getting 600k/sec
yeh me too
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Geyecue: Roma Street exchange? [02:00]
eyecueand im only on their easy reach (telstra wholesale dslam)
my current exchange is in build for node dslam
few weeks i might be able to switch again :)
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GI had to go w/ TPG in Brisbane, they were okay, but half the battle was getting the phone connected in the first place [02:01]
eyecuegah, flaky internets
:|
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GI was originally going to go via iiNet, but they couldn't get Telstra to connect the phone [02:02]
eyecuehonestly, i cant ever recommend anyone other than node
ive been on dsl1 for 2 years coz i lov enode so much
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Geyecue: yeah, I know plenty of people that love them [02:02]
eyecueso the last plan i was on (yesterday) was dsl1 40gb, upstream only
for 69.95
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G$20 for 100GB?
:P
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eyecuecurrent plan, adsl2+ 60gb, upstram only (including power pack for 10/mo) for 59.95
:)
so same price
WIN!
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Gdon't you mean $10 cheaper? [02:04]
eyecuewell, the 59.95 counts uploads/downloads
you pay 10 bucks more, it counts down only
and you get a stat ip
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Geyecue: for comparison to NZ...
We pay ~65NZD for ADSL1 (at 2mbit/s), 30GB/mo
~50 AUD
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eyecuehmm
gah
!
and you have translatlantic traffic
fail :)
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Gnext month, we'll be paying a combined 105 for phone + broadband you can take about $50 off that to take away the phone component, so ~55NZD, for ADSL1 (2mbps) & 40GB [02:09]
eyecueoh noice [02:10]
G2mbps is because I live 5km from the exchange :) [02:10]
eyecueahh
im pretty close
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Goh wait, it's only 45 for the home phone, so ~60NZD for the Broadband
so it seems that NZ is cheaper than Telstra wholesale plans?
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eyecuepossibly, ish
my prev plan was grandfathered 2 years ago
you get downstream only counted ?
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Gnope, most ISPs count both directions
eyecue: but I'm going to be laughing soon
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eyecueive only ever been on down onlies [02:13]
Geyecue: next month (I think) the Rural Broadband Initiative goes live, and if what Telecom has told me on Twitter is true... I should be able to get Fibre to the Door pretty quickly [02:13]
eyecueoh nice
:]
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Gpeople that have Fibre running past their property in the RBI areas, can get FTTH
and Telecom happen to run a lot of their Exchange/National backhaul fibre alongside/through our property
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eyecuesexy as :) [02:15]
Gheck, we aren't allowed to dig in parts of our property without consulting Telecom
but meh, it'll be all worth it if we can really get Fibre to the Door :)
and it'll be much better than the 5Mbps wireless access promised to everyone else :P
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eyecue: for what it's worth, I'm still jealous of the NBN :) [02:35]
eyecueyeh, its pretty sexy :] [02:36]
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bob^^they keep promising FTTH in the UK too
FTTC is starting to catch on here, but of course you only get ~40mbit/s with that (and still the same crappy upload)
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Gbob^^: FTTC+VDSL?
bob^^: is the C in UK Curb or Cabinet?
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bob^^cabinet here, G
in areas which are FTTC enabled there's a large street cabinet every few streets in residential areas
then VDSL to homes
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Gbob^^: yep, was just checking, because there is also Fibre to the Curb [03:07]
bob^^yeah
i think that's a US thing?
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GAustralia has it as well
mainly in Canberra
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bob^^this is our only FTTC atm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_Infinity
the criticism that wikipedia lists is correct; there are a lot of complaints here about the street cabinets
they are *huge*
the town i live in is 500 years old; they look *very* out of place and ugly :(
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Gbob^^: http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/chorus-half-way-through-fibre-roll-out-now-comes-hard-bit-122413 is what NZ has for cabinets [03:11]
bob^^G: look about the same as the ones we have - ours are just the same but taller :)
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/193/050ea.jpg/
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Goh, they look like the old style ones here
these new Telecom cabinets here and a nice shade of green
*are a
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bob^^hehe
all of the street cabinets (even the old small voice ones) here are about the same shade of green
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toddfthat's just so they can say they are going green [03:18]
bob^^hehe [03:18]
Gin fact, if I was building a house, I'd actually paint the outside in the same Green :)
outside or roof
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bob^^ours have been the same shade of green forever :) [03:19]
Gdepending
toddf: the shade of green in bob's picture is pretty much standard in UK based countries I think :)
toddf: but NZ has chosen a newer darker green :)
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bob^^darker would be better, less obvious :) [03:20]
Gbob^^: you can kinda tell the shade of green in the picture I sent [03:20]
bob^^yeah
defintely a little darker than ours
the new cabs here are quite noisy too
especially in warm weather when they have to turn on the ventilation systems
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Gbob^^: old style cabinet: http://chillingsilence.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/telecom-geek-exchange-tour-2009/sdc10908/
new style: http://chillingsilence.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/telecom-geek-exchange-tour-2009/sdc10909/
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bob^^yeah they're very similar to our old cabinets [03:22]
Gapparently the new ones are really really really quite [03:22]
bob^^i hope so [03:22]
Ghence why they are called either Single or Double Bay Whisper Cabinets [03:22]
bob^^the ones here are really bad
if i lived beside one i would be complaining to BT
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RandalSchwartzyup. zxfer rocks
mabel.insightcruises.com is now replicated to a box in texas, including all the snapshots!
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Ghmmmm anyone else noticing IPv6 packet loss?
ahhh actually, might be at he.net
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bob^^i'll check now
seems ok here
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Gahhh yeah, it's the tunnel server at he.net [05:17]
bob^^ahh :(
i was going via genuine he.net v6 transit from london :)
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Gmtr from my arp box to my tunnels IP, = packet loss at the tserv, mtr from home to arp box, = packetloss at the router after the tserv
gotta love mtr :)
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bob^^mtr is a great little tool :) [05:19]
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up_the_ironsmy CIDR report is now squeaky clean: http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/as-report?as=AS25795&view=2.0
100% aggregation
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pilgrimdnow if we could just get the rest of the internet to do that.... [19:03]
up_the_ironsup_the_irons nods [19:06]
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koobsmoin
:]
up_the_irons; where do you put your switches in your racks? front back, middle top ?
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up_the_ironskoobs: back top [19:31]
koobsin the server cabs?
and you trunk cables off to the side then down the vert rail ?
im looking over various schools of though about equipment layout
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up_the_ironskoobs: yes, server cabs
koobs: with 4x pdu's per cab, i don't have room for vertical wire managers, so i don't trunk them off to the side
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koobsive seen some pretty good comments around rear middle positioning, for shorter cable runs and visibility (dont have to get up on a ladder) [19:33]
up_the_ironsjust straight down and velcro'd nicely [19:33]
koobsah ok
and youve got the 1070's iirc yeh ?
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up_the_ironsyeah [19:34]
koobsside to side fans for the switches then ? [19:34]
up_the_ironswhatever the switch supports [19:36]
koobsoo procurves have a modular fan assembly [19:36]
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RandalSchwartzand up_the_irons, does your toilet paper come off the front, or near the wall? :)
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atmarkHi, can I request for a reset back factory default on my VPS? I already emailed support a few hours ago but as of this moment I dont get a reply. [22:55]
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up_the_ironsRandalSchwartz: LOL
atmark: it should be done shortly
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