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| jdoe | amdprophet: my favorite way to fuck with people of that sort was to crank dns ttls down, connect to irc, then after I was on change my host to resolve to somewhere in the dude's upstream.
... then taunt them. | [00:37] |
| amdprophet | rofl | [00:37] |
| jdoe | yeah, it was pretty funny. | [00:38] |
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| vcs | ahhh ipv6 has been pretty stable these past few days
amdprophet lol how long did you DoS him and how much bandwith | [08:02] |
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| amdprophet | vcs: not sure how long, I started it and then couldn't get back into SSH | [08:39] |
| vcs | lol
woops yeah, thats usually a bad sign that things are about to go very wrong for you | [08:39] |
| amdprophet | yup lol | [08:40] |
| vcs | a small ping flood is one thing
maxing out your connection... well you are asking for trouble | [08:40] |
| amdprophet | I was young and very stupid
time to release my first android app on the marketplace | [08:40] |
| mike-burns | Yeay!
What's it called? | [08:53] |
| RandalSchwartz | it's called "my first android app"
it pops up a "hello world" box :) | [08:57] |
| mhoran | Hey the default Eclipse project does that. :p | [09:05] |
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| fink | RandalSchwartz: in perl? | [09:20] |
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| mhoran | Heh. perl on Android.
mike-burns: was saying he wished Android were more Linux like. I bet he wants to write perl on Android ... | [10:32] |
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| amdprophet | speaking of android
just released my first android app as a public beta like an hour ago I think it may be time to sleep soon | [10:34] |
| dxtr | mhoran: There's Python on Android | [10:35] |
| mhoran | Indeed. | [10:35] |
| toddf | google breathes python though. | [10:35] |
| dxtr | I think there's perl too actually | [10:35] |
| mhoran | Yeah, but ASE isn't native, and you have nowhere near the integration you get by writing Java.
Even apps written using the NDK (C, C++) don't have integration like Java. So you're stuck using Java. | [10:35] |
| dxtr | Right | [10:36] |
| toddf | N900! | [10:36] |
| mhoran | Nice try, Nokia
Maemo was cool like 6 years ago. | [10:36] |
| amdprophet | I'm buying the palm pre 2... any haters? | [10:37] |
| dxtr | mhoran: Actually why is maemo so bad? | [10:37] |
| mhoran | Because nobody is developing for it.
And nobody will. | [10:38] |
| amdprophet | I am :D | [10:38] |
| mhoran | Nokie lost their chance to penetrate the US market.
Therefore they'll never succeed. Android took what little marketshare they had and then took the rest from Apple. | [10:38] |
| dxtr | Hehe.. You said penetrate :) | [10:38] |
| mhoran | ;) | [10:38] |
| amdprophet | how is maemo / n900 doing in europe? | [10:41] |
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| dxtr | Not at all I think
I've never seen an n900 - or even heard of it - outside the interwebs | [10:44] |
| amdprophet | damn :(
looked like a pretty nice phone | [10:50] |
| RandalSchwartz | not an iphone though :) | [11:02] |
| mike-burns | I thought that's what he just said. | [11:03] |
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| dxtr | nesta :)
Hmm.. It's -10 degC outside That's kind of cold | [11:30] |
| mike-burns | SUre is.
It's 8 here, which is rather nice. | [11:31] |
| up_the_irons | i go to work with a jacket and beanie now | [11:32] |
| vcs | the AC here is broken
but its fine, its a pleasent 76 in the office | [11:32] |
| dxtr | up_the_irons: I go to work on my bike with two pair of socks, two pair of pants, three shirts and a jacket
Gloves and something on my head :P | [11:33] |
| up_the_irons | dxtr: LOL | [11:33] |
| dxtr | Sometimes it's -15 degC in the morning :P
It's even cold for a viking | [11:34] |
| up_the_irons | haha | [11:34] |
| dxtr | Biking in snow <3
Biking in snow and sidewinds is even better | [11:35] |
| Uhm, why is clang better than gcc?
Does it optimize better? | [11:44] | |
| mike-burns | The license. | [11:47] |
| dxtr | Well, the license didn't seem to bother anyone for like 20 years so I guess it works :P | [11:47] |
| jdoe | it was a lesser-of-two-evils thing.
"stupidly licensed compiler" vs "no compiler at all" | [11:51] |
| up_the_irons | mike-burns: does clang compiled down to llvm or something? | [11:53] |
| dxtr | Am I stupid for not caring to license the few things I make? :P
I mean, I don't care wtf people do with it | [11:53] |
| mike-burns | That's my understanding of it, up_the_irons . | [11:54] |
| up_the_irons | ok | [11:54] |
| mike-burns | dxtr: Not stupid; licensing is a personal choice. | [11:54] |
| dxtr | mike-burns: I guess | [11:54] |
| mike-burns | You are opening it up for someone to legally take your work and claim it's their own. | [11:55] |
| dxtr | And frankly I don't care if someone does that :P
I don't even take credit for stuff *I* make So I guess it's good if someone takes credit for it :P My latest project btw have exploded in popularity. I'm estimating that there are up to two users, including me | [11:55] |
| mike-burns | Like I said, it's for you to decide. If you're fine with that then that's the right license for you. | [11:59] |
| dxtr | I'm considering that beer license though. Or the "Do what the fuck you want" license
Can my stuff be considered FOSS then? | [12:00] |
| tooth | sounds like you want the BSD style licenses | [12:01] |
| dxtr | But it's so long and tedious
Too much mumbo jumbo in it noone understands anyway | [12:01] |
| tooth | that's besides the point | [12:02] |
| dxtr | I want a simple license that kindergarden kids can read and understand that they can do wtf they want with this piece of software and code :p | [12:02] |
| tooth | Not sure if it can be done with today's legalese requirements.
It's not that you have to read ALL of it when looking on what to do, just understand the basic requirements (imho) | [12:03] |
| dxtr | Actually today they are working to make legal texts simpler to read | [12:04] |
| mike-burns | The BSD license is rather short. | [12:04] |
| dxtr | Mainly because not even those who reads the legal texts understands them anymore
So it should be possible | [12:04] |
| mike-burns | http://www.debian.org/misc/bsd.license - for reference. | [12:04] |
| dxtr | tooth: Also, I'm assuming we're not in the same jurisdiction :) | [12:05] |
| mike-burns | 1. Keep the copyright; 2. Keep the copyright; 3. Don't use my name. No warrenty. | [12:05] |
| dxtr | mike-burns: To restrictive
Too* :) | [12:06] |
| mike-burns | Possibly! | [12:07] |
| mhoran | mike-burns: still can't spell warranty after all these years of pasting the BSD license. | [12:08] |
| jpalmer | holy! channel was busy.. for a second, I thought I'd flipped to the wrong screen. | [12:08] |
| mike-burns | mhoran: Sure can't! | [12:08] |
| tooth | perhaps I need to brush up on the licenses. | [12:08] |
| up_the_irons | jpalmer: whut? this channel is often busy ;) | [12:08] |
| jpalmer | somewhat, but I rarely see pages and pages of scrollback. it was refreshing | [12:09] |
| up_the_irons | ah | [12:10] |
| cubelogic | possibly simpler than BSD licenses: http://opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php | [12:20] |
| dxtr | cubelogic: That's awesome | [12:30] |
| mike-burns | That's ... the same thing. | [12:31] |
| dxtr | Slightly shorter :P | [12:32] |
| cubelogic | It has a less controversial history AFAIK -- BSD v 1 (now obsolete) was heavily criticized at one point
so in my head it's kinda simpler. I do admire the BSD for all the great software that came out of it though | [12:33] |
| dxtr | FML
I'll have to redo this :( At least I don't have to use threads like I initially thought | [12:43] |
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| RandalSchwartz | You could use Artistic 2.0 if you like the BSD license.
the only restriction is that modified versions can't be distributed under the original name seems fair enough | [13:01] |
| fink | RandalSchwartz: i'm updating releng now | [13:01] |
| RandalSchwartz | and artistic 2 was created by modern lawyers, knowing the foibles of other attempts in the area.
... http://www.opensource.org/licenses/artistic-license-2.0.php actually, it's a bit more precise than that artistic one said "don't call it Perl if you change it" artistic 2 requires you to specifically document the differences or call it something different in a way that doesn't interfere with the standard version | [13:02] |
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| mike-burns | Xen and Haskell combined: http://tinyurl.com/2vpcs2f | [14:22] |
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| RandalSchwartz | will the HaLVM say "sorry dave, I'm afraid I can't do that?" | [15:11] |
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| azmarco | dxtr: +1 "do whatever the fuck you want with it license" in fact, i use that on my website for all of my content | [17:48] |
| RandalSchwartz | not legal in some jurisdictions
best to stuck with approved licenses | [17:49] |
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| RandalSchwartz | I'm impressing the waitress at Standard Rooftop Bar with my knowledge of One Wilshire, which she sees every day but had no idea of the significance | [19:36] |
| fink | fink wonders why nobody's ever impressed with his knowledge of the One Ring | [19:39] |
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| RandalSchwartz | augh - I'm freezing
need to leave because of that it's 52 out here! | [20:04] |
| fink | 18 here | [20:04] |
| RandalSchwartz | 18 F
? | [20:04] |
| fink | C
of course | [20:05] |
| RandalSchwartz | feh - stupid brit measure
how much is it in normal numbers? :) | [20:05] |
| fink | 64
RandalSchwartz: the rest of the world uses C | [20:06] |
| mjp | lol 'normal' | [20:06] |
| RandalSchwartz | hah - I'm colder
the rest of the world looks up to the dollar so bloody ha ha well - at least a few weeks ago they did :) we *are* losing global dominatiojn I understand that | [20:06] |
| fink | :( | [20:07] |
| RandalSchwartz | ok - time to shift 10 floors
then back on | [20:08] |
| Yamazaki-kun | RandalSchwartz: That waitress is probably just faking. She'll slip you a mickey and steal your building pass. | [20:08] |
| fink | RandalSchwartz: she might be a north korean plant | [20:11] |
| jdoe | RandalSchwartz: Perl or perl? | [20:11] |
| fink | RandalSchwartz: it's a trap! | [20:11] |
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| jdoe | no, just a question. Wikipedia says it was "perl" until "Programming Perl", I'm wondering whether I should be capitalizing it in the middle of a non-title sentence
:P | [20:15] |
| fink | wasn't it PERL at some point? | [20:19] |
| jdoe | backronym | [20:20] |
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| dxtr | RandalSchwartz: If the "do whatever the fuck you want with it" license isn't legal in some jurisdictions I guess one can simply take out the license and still do whatever the fuck you want with the thing :)
Because, well, that's what the license sayd saysÄ * | [21:12] |
| Anyway
Off to work (It's -15 degC) | [21:18] | |
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| amdprophet | anyone else having troubles connecting to AIM?
I think their servers are down | [22:42] |
| vapor | amdprophet, someone else I know was having the same problem - seems like I am still connecte
+d hey guys what cpu are on the vps? and you guys are using kvm right? | [22:44] |
| amdprophet | yea I believe it's kvm
and some beefy quad core xeons | [22:45] |
| jpalmer | model name : QEMU Virtual CPU version 0.9.1 (from /proc/cpuinfo) | [22:47] |
| toddf | cpu0 at mainbus0: (uniprocessor)
cpu0: QEMU Virtual CPU version 0.9.1, 2666.90 MHz cpu0: FPU,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SSE3,NXE,LONG cpu0: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu0: ITLB 255 4KB entries direct-mapped, 255 4MB entries direct-mapped cpu0: DTLB 255 4KB entries direct-mapped, 255 4MB entries direct-mapped from OpenBSD dmesg | [22:49] |
| amdprophet | vapor: just reconnected to aim | [22:51] |
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| cubelogi_ | upgrading to obsd 4.8... I guess it's still affected by the setting tty flags bug
I assume these instructions are still ok? http://scie.nti.st/2009/10/4/running-openbsd-4-5-in-kvm-on-ubuntu-linux-9-04 | [22:54] |
| vapor | does kvm give you vnc/console access? | [22:57] |
| toddf | anything that involves 'disable mpbios' sounds great
it's actually a bios bug in the bios rev used by kvm | [22:57] |
| amdprophet | vapor: yes | [22:57] |
| toddf | probides a bogus mpbios table for single cpu setups | [22:57] |
| cubelogi_ | yes I do have vnc access
(and you're right it's not a openbsd bug :) just wanted to make sure since that webpage refers to 4.5 | [22:57] |
| tooth | yeah, still affected by it, still fixable by that. | [23:04] |
| cubelogi_ | cool. worked :) | [23:04] |
| tooth | I forgot about that myself.
Then I rebooted it didn't start. :-[23:07] <cubelogi_> yeah, that's what happened to me | [23:06] |
| cubelogi_ | wow sysmerge completed smoothly | [23:15] |
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