#arpnetworks 2010-09-19,Sun

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dxtrGuys
What standard says each subnet size should be /64? 		[07:31]
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RandalSchwartzfor v6?
with a /64, you can use a mechanical MAC-address-to-IP-address scheme
that's why a /64
no need for DHCP that way 		[07:49]
dxtrRandalSchwartz: Right :)
also, election today
I'm considering voting for a white power-party or something like that for the lols
Yes, I take this very seriously 		[07:58]
mike-burnsYou could vote for a candidate with principles you support, for the lulz.
They tend to have no chance of winning. 		[08:00]
dxtr:p [08:01]
mike-burns(They do for me, anyway.) [08:01]
dxtrI will vote for something for the lulz every election (If I even vote) until one can vote over the internet or something here
We have cheap high-speed connections to almost every home here, yet we can't even vote electronically
That sucks 		[08:02]
mike-burnsYes, this is the problem with the political system. Once this is fixed, the elections will have no issues. [08:03]
dxtrExactly! The one of the issues being I have to actually go outside to vote
And one*
I wanna be able to sit/lie in my bed, click a button and think "I just saved the world" 		[08:04]
RandalSchwartzArrrrgh.
... http://www.talklikeapirate.com/ 		[08:05]
dxtrVote like a pirate
Hmm.. That wasn't even funny considering we have the Pirate Party
No.. Now I'll go outside
dxtr shrugs
Anyway.. So long and thanks for all the fish 		[08:06]
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mike-burns12:20:16 < Hien> How long you have used arpnetworks vps?
Hien: About a year now.
12:21:02 < Hien> Arpnetworks provide vps fast?
Hien: I have to go but someone else in here can help you. 		[09:17]
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RandalSchwartzprovisionin' my new arrrrrrrrrpnetworks box, arrrrr
box #4 now
well, virtual box. :) 		[09:43]
Hien:d [09:44]
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RandalSchwartznow to wipe the disk, arrrrr. [09:47]
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Hien:D [09:48]
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RandalSchwartzbooted the cdrom arrrrr [09:48]
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Hien:D [09:49]
RandalSchwartznow to follow the instructions for zfs-boot-on-root [09:49]
Hien@RandalSchwartz: You have got new box arp vps ?
:D 		[09:49]
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RandalSchwartzI do
box # 4
boxes 1, 2, 3 already humming along
now installing freebsd 8.1 on a zfs-on-root
from the cd 		[09:57]
nestagood luck! [09:58]
RandalSchwartzit's only the tenth time or so that I've done it :)
I'm finally starting to understand the steps, actually :) 		[09:58]
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RandalSchwartzssh key set up. dns pointing at right place
now "portsnap fetch extract" to get the freshest ports
then install portmaster :)
I know this drill well
and then screen, zsh, and emacs
which all take a while
and finally, apache, which is the whole point of this 		[10:25]
wow - I have to install Perl to install zsh? :)
these dependencies are always interesting :) 		[10:40]
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zhujialehello! [10:44]
RandalSchwartzhi! [10:44]
zhujialeI was wondering if NetBSD actualy worked OK with arpnetwork's VPSes [10:45]
RandalSchwartzit should
using qemu, so no virtualization support required
you can boot practically anything 		[10:45]
fink_RandalSchwartz: dos? [10:46]
RandalSchwartzI suspect so [10:46]
zhujialeyeah, but I remember back then, they tried adding it as an option for new VPSes, but gave up due to strange kernel panics
anyway I'll try it ~_~ 		[10:46]
RandalSchwartzvirtual machine panics, or did it burn the outer host?
why netbsd and not freebsd? 		[10:47]
zhujialeI think VM panics. (thank god)
I'm much more familiar with netbsd, it feels like home. right now using freebsd, and actualy have no complaints 		[10:47]
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RandalSchwartzI transitioned from openbsd to freebsd 9 months ago
couldn't be happier :) 		[10:49]
zhujialeyeah, FreeBSD is very well made I find. I was surprised actualy, having never touched it. I might very well keep it. [10:50]
RandalSchwartzcan you use zfs for / on netbsd?
I'm finding that to be a great asset
zfs + pf firewall + an up-to-date ports system in freebsd 		[10:50]
zhujialeyeah... and freebsd-update
FreeBSD is great, I'm loving it. I should get a second vps to play around then :)
can you get a second vps and have it use your current IP ranges? 		[10:52]
RandalSchwartzyup [10:55]
fink_zhujiale: you can also use jails [10:55]
RandalSchwartzinsightcruises.com now has 3 boxes in the same range
interbox traffic doesn't count against your bandwidth, either 		[10:55]
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RandalSchwartzyeay... webserver mostly configured [13:33]
nestaw00t [13:37]
RandalSchwartzso we have a $20 server for mail and DNS, a $30 server for basic web, and a $60 server for heavy mod_perl and postgres [13:39]
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up_the_ironsRandalSchwartz: for the record, we never tried netbsd; i think zhujiale is mixing me up with someone else [13:54]
RandalSchwartzok [13:54]
nestaup_the_irons: you have never had a NetBSD request? [13:55]
up_the_ironsnesta: no, i *have* had NetBSD requests; but not very many. just not enough time to do everything i want to do [13:56]
nestaokay
so you had requests. has anyone actually used NetBSD with you guys? 		[13:57]
up_the_ironsnesta: not that i know of [13:58]
nestaah okay [13:58]
up_the_ironsi'm more than happy to put a NetBSD ISO into the CD-ROM for anyone; but they are on their own after that [13:58]
RandalSchwartzup_the_irons - there are *two* cdroms on my new box... luckily, freebsd 8.1 was the first disk. :)
what is the other one? 		[14:05]
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infraredmmm nachos [15:19]
up_the_ironsRandalSchwartz: that's a kvm bug i think; all VMs show two CD-ROMs, but they are identical [15:21]
infraredup_the_irons: ever thought about vmware esxi? [15:22]
up_the_ironsinfrared: never [15:22]
infraredwhy not? [15:22]
up_the_ironswhy?
bloat, proprietary, need i say more? 		[15:22]
infraredi guess [15:22]
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dxtrI'd say avoid VMware at all costs
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11360495 o
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bob^^i agree, avoid vmware
performance is Not Good (tm) 		[15:56]
dxtrAnyway, I'm off for the night now
I'll have to get up at 05:00
That's in 3h50m
So... Yeah.. Good night :) 		[16:08]
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jdoebob^^: heh, it's hands down better than kvm. [16:23]
bob^^really?
i've found it's disk performance to be horrible (and i'm not alone in that) 		[16:23]
jdoevirtualized disk is always going to be horrible (unless you give it direct access to something, I guess)
... but even there it benches better. Heh. 		[16:24]
bob^^true, but even with 'direct' access i've still be unimpressed
i like vmware for the desktop, though virtualbox is pretty fine these days 		[16:24]
jdoethe problem with vmware, the real problem with it, is that you have to shell out a lot of money to make esx/esxi/vsphere/whatever not suck (the management/admin crap)
... but it's a bit of a moot point, kvm, vbox etc. don't even compete in that space.
... so, you know... 		[16:25]
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zhujialehi there [20:11]
RandalSchwartzhi
##smalltalk
oops 		[20:12]
fink_heehaw [20:13]
zhujialea few hours ago, I barely knew what :: standed for in an IPv6 address
now, I'm going to bed as a Sage 		[20:15]
RandalSchwartzand now you have full v6 connectivity? :)
oh cool
I have my sage too 		[20:15]
zhujiale:-p
I did it for the tshirt! 		[20:15]
RandalSchwartzI stopped at 1024 points
not aiming for 1500
1024 sounds more fun 		[20:15]
zhujialeindeed [20:16]
RandalSchwartz... http://ipv6.he.net/certification/scoresheet.php?pass_name=merlyn
and I *do* have my t-shirt, and have worn it :) 		[20:16]
zhujialeoh lucky you
my score is way low though 		[20:17]
RandalSchwartzyou? - http://ipv6.he.net/certification/scoresheet.php?pass_name=zhujiale [20:17]
zhujialeyeah [20:18]
RandalSchwartzyou didn't fill out your t-shirt! [20:18]
zhujialesilly me... the only part of it all I actualy care for :-p
now to google what US sizes actualy mean 		[20:20]
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