#arpnetworks 2010-09-14,Tue

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up_the_ironsit's weird, how despite consistent growth of my customer base within the last 18 months, _this channel_ topped out at about 50 users
has something to do with communities and size.. someone has a theory on that
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up_the_ironscd $bed [02:09]
bob^^irc seems to be less popular than in the past [02:11]
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toddfup_the_irons: definately interesting wrt the 50 users on irc vs consistent growth of customer base; I see new faces here all the time *grin* .. perhaps some arrive and stay only long enough to get setup and/or a simple question or two answered, some of us enjoy the banter?? ;-) [03:58]
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bob^^yeah :) [04:29]
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RandalSchwartzup_the_irons - do you have an outbound email proxy that I can use so I can send to google apps?
I could also just proxy stonehenge mail through mabel... I tested, and mabel isn't tainted.
oh, he's probably not awake yet. :)
I have to be because I'm enroute to LAX
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nestamh hm [05:52]
RandalSchwartz"mh hm"? [05:53]
nestayep, mh hm [05:53]
RandalSchwartzwhat does that translate to? [05:53]
nestasay it out loud
and put it in context
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RandalSchwartzdoesn't map [05:54]
nestaah well then
parse error I guess
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RandalSchwartzuh huh would
as in, agreee
but I've never used "mh hm" as sounds
are you not native english?
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nesta'uh huh' is quite an American colloquialism imo [05:54]
RandalSchwartzso where do they say "mh hm"? [05:54]
nestawhere I live :) [05:55]
RandalSchwartznot here
yeah. so if you want to communicate, best not to use it.
since it is regional
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nestaas is 'uh huh' [05:55]
RandalSchwartzindeed, which is why I don't use that [05:55]
nestaI use what makes sense to me
okey
well I don't much mind as you can see
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RandalSchwartzcommunication is about making sense to the *other person* though
not just to yourself
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nestasure
we are communicating now
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RandalSchwartzonly after 11 clarification statements. :)
if you'd just said "yes", this could have been avoided.
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nestait gave us something to chat about
:P
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sheathlol
hi nerdd
er
hi nesta
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nestahi [05:57]
RandalSchwartzit's like I finally figured out what "jaja" was.
or even "ta"
lots of regional english used
makes it a bit hard to presume you'll be understood unless you use full versions
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sheathdunno what ta is [05:58]
RandalSchwartzit's british/oz
short of "ta ta"
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bob^^no, it's not 'ta ta' [05:58]
RandalSchwartzas in "thanks, and good bye" [05:58]
bob^^it's 'thanks'
no one says ta ta over here ;)
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RandalSchwartzoh - well that's how it was explained
and I've just barely woken up
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bob^^in aus they might though, lots of rough similarities
tbh, it depends where in the UK
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RandalSchwartzbut ta is used in uk and oz
but not in the us
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nestaits just ta [05:59]
sheathso confusing [05:59]
bob^^for a tiny country we have a lot of very regional language use [05:59]
nestaonly posh idiots would say ta ta [05:59]
RandalSchwartzso when someone says it on IRC, I can peg them [05:59]
bob^^a bread roll has about six different names, depending on which part of the country you're in :) [05:59]
nestaamirite bob^^
:)
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bob^^nesta: +1 ;) [05:59]
nesta;) [05:59]
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bob^^tbh, i'd *hate* to have to learn english [06:00]
RandalSchwartztbh? [06:01]
sheathyou're speaking it right now? [06:01]
bob^^well yes, i'm from the UK so it's my native language
i mean, if you were not a native english speaker it must be a very complex language to learn
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RandalSchwartzyeah - I'm having fun learning both ES and PT_BR
and yet they seem far simpler than the exception rules for english
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ziyourenxiangthey're all turing complete... oh wait. [06:02]
bob^^even spanish changes depending on where you are in the world :( [06:02]
RandalSchwartzletters with only one pronunciation! how the hell does *that* work? :) [06:02]
bob^^;D [06:02]
RandalSchwartzno "through cough bough" [06:02]
bob^^to, two and too
is my favourite :)
or leak and leek
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RandalSchwartzwell - not homonyms... that's mappable
but the letters that pronounce differently
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bob^^difficult when you're learning how to speak a language though [06:03]
RandalSchwartzeven things like "record" and "record" :) [06:03]
bob^^mmm, yeah :) [06:03]
RandalSchwartzor "wind" and "wind" :) [06:03]
bob^^yeah [06:04]
toddfI thought 'jaja' was a german thing [06:04]
RandalSchwartzspanish to
too
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bob^^hell, i know some native english speakers who still get things wrong [06:04]
RandalSchwartzpronounced "ya ya"
since j is like y
in fact, it's probably the literation of our ya ya
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bob^^yeah [06:04]
RandalSchwartzrather than a native thing [06:04]
bob^^i think it is [06:04]
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coil_looks like my box got rooted
can i request a format? :/
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bob^^husky: yup, i'm pretty sure you can have your box 'factory defaulted' by up_the_irons - but you need to raise a support ticket i think [08:20]
ziyourenxiangwanna share your OS, what got exploited?
so the rest of us can look out for it.
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huskywell its probably the mbuf exploit
wget http://popol.by.ru/log.c
and whatever that is
next time im only going to trust friends on my box :/
instead of that trading shell bullshit
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bob^^looks like it's a tool to remove what you've been doing from logs
:(
and from accounting, etc
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huskynow i gotta remember my portal password
cept my dns is down so i can't check my email
doh
whats the point of secondary dns if it dont even work
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dxtrRandalSchwartz: "ja ja" means "yes yes" in swedish :D [08:28]
huskyhopefully a rootkit doesn't work in init1 [08:32]
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schmirja ja means "leck mich am arsch" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leck_mich_im_Arsch [09:21]
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up_the_ironsRandalSchwartz: i don't have an outbound email proxy, sorry
coil: i can reset your vps, just open a support ticket
toddf: yeah, probably
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dxtrup_the_irons: You're using greylisting with postfix, right? [12:05]
up_the_ironsdxtr: no, i use openbsd's spamd for greylisting [12:05]
dxtrOh yeah [12:05]
toddf<-- is using openbsd's spamd for all inbound tcp connections that aren't destined for active services
(just for kicks and giggles)
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dxtrhehe
Maybe I should try that
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awyeahyo! [12:21]
toddfdxtr: http://pastebin.ca/1940832
hmm, let me tidy that a bit
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dxtr:D [12:29]
toddfbetter: http://pastebin.ca/1940835
line 6 is redundant until you realize I want to put mail in queue mail and !mail not in queue mail
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huskyup_the_irons, i sent an email but i just realised that domain's dns was hosted off of my arp box, so i dont know if you got the email [13:01]
toddfhusky: maybe check the logs? [13:01]
huskywhat logs? the box is out of comission [13:01]
toddfah, heh [13:02]
huskyalthough i use google apps for my email, the dns isn't set right
so i know i wont be able to receive email
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dxtrAnyone here playing minecraft? :P [13:26]
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RandalSchwartzon company time? :) [14:36]
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