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| bob^^ | heh, just found this again while arguing with co-workers about using vi instead of nano: http://www.cs.bgu.ac.il/~orlovm/code/emacs/viman.gif :) | [06:42] |
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| mattx86 | lol :)
I just care enough to know the basics of vi/vim, you know, in case I'm installing a bsd/linux distro that doesn't come standard with nano ;) | [06:58] |
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| mattx86 | I have found myself attempting vi commands in nano recently though :P | [07:01] |
| bob^^ | :D
it's worth spending the time to get to know vi :) | [07:05] |
| mattx86 | IMO, the command mode of vi is what gets some/most people, including myself; I grew up with windows and notepad, so "insert mode" by default and using Ctrl/Alt key sequences are what I'm most used to | [07:11] |
| mike-burns | You can set vim to start in insert mode. I'd have to look up how, but it's possible. | [07:12] |
| mattx86 | ahh
I didn't know that | [07:12] |
| mike-burns | set insertmode " this goes in your ~/.vimrc | [07:14] |
| mattx86 | hm.. you can do regex search and search/replace in vi right? | [07:14] |
| mike-burns | Yes. | [07:14] |
| mattx86 | I'll have to try this :) | [07:14] |
| also "vim -c start" or you could alias it in ~/.bashrc
feels weird though ;) but I'll tinker with it | [07:20] | |
| mike-burns | Well the more comfortable you get with vim, the less time you'll spend in insert mode. | [07:20] |
| mattx86 | do you guys recommend vim over vi? | [07:21] |
| mike-burns | I do, yes.
It's all of vi, plus more features. | [07:22] |
| RandalSchwartz | using vim over vi is like using svn instead of cvs... you didn't go far enough. :) | [07:23] |
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| mattx86 | hehe
it appears that one side-effect of using 'set insertmode "' in ~/.vimrc is that you lose the escape key http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Start_in_insert_mode_without_losing_your_escape_key | [07:54] |
| mike-burns | Oh ^L seems to be ESC when using insertmode. | [07:57] |
| mattx86 | ah, yep | [07:58] |
| mike-burns: thanks for the tips :) | [08:06] | |
| mike-burns | Any time. Oh and let me plug my vim course on September 1st in Boston ...
(Just kidding.) | [08:08] |
| mattx86 | oh heh :P | [08:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | "vim for dummies, because that's who uses it!" :)
RandalSchwartz ducks | [08:10] |
| mattx86 | get em! :D | [08:10] |
| mike-burns | RandalSchwartz: Are you an emacs guy? | [08:10] |
| RandalSchwartz | of course.
I'm even IRC'ing from emacs :) | [08:10] |
| mike-burns | Ah. I can respect that. | [08:10] |
| RandalSchwartz | Terminal.app -> ssh -> screen -> emacs -> irc.el :) | [08:10] |
| mike-burns | Well that's exausting, but whatever works! | [08:11] |
| RandalSchwartz | the tough part was getting utf-8 all the way through | [08:11] |
| mike-burns | I'm shocked you got that! | [08:11] |
| RandalSchwartz | and yet, it works
I had to get every piece of that to know "hey, not latin-1... this is utf-8" | [08:11] |
| mattx86 | wow :) good work
on the other hand, I assume you're using OSX? I was just thinking, that if you were using something like Fedora for your desktop, you probably wouldn't attempt anything more complex than necessary ;) | [08:13] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah OSX | [08:21] |
| mattx86 | cool | [08:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | gah. svn is weird
I've accidentally been working in trunk/ when I should have been under branch/ now I have to figure out how to move my changes over luckily I haven't committed yet git is so much easier to understand :) I suppose I could make a big patch, and try to apply it to the branch | [08:23] |
| LT | just use git svn instead? | [08:25] |
| mattx86 | the most I've done with a VCS has been thru tortoisecvs on windows, but I'll be getting into using git soon though
aside from cvs/svn/git checkouts hehe | [08:25] |
| RandalSchwartz | well - git svn won't help at this point
since I already have this dirty tree that I need to publish as a branch even though it's sitting under trunk/* but also only *some* of the files, and I don't know how svn ci picks files the docs aren't clear RandalSchwartz starts reading the red-bean tutorial darn it. that wasn't helpful enough maybe I'll go hop onto #svn :) | [08:26] |
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