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| mattx86 | hm.. don't suppose arpnetworks supports xenner? because then I could copy my linode vps to arpnetworks verbatim :)
actually, it shouldn't be too terribly hard to copy it and fix it up | [05:17] |
| toddf | I'm sure if you wanted you could setup xenner in a qemu vps and run your own linode vps's inside, constrained resources of course but .. ;-) | [05:27] |
| mattx86 | :P | [05:28] |
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| RandalSchwartz | ntp on freebsd should have precisely two entries:
echo ntpdate_enable=YES >>/etc/rc.conf echo ntpd_enable=YES >>/etc/rc.conf and that's it do *not* edit the ntp.conf file | [05:54] |
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| bob^^ | why wouldn't you edit ntp.conf ? | [05:57] |
| toddf | heh, sometimes defaulst are good, but yeah, I edit ntpd.conf all the time for site local ntp servers instead of every system in a given site going to the internet for time directly | [06:00] |
| bob^^ | me too
we've got a proper timeserver here with GPS and LF receivers on it which is quite handy :) | [06:01] |
| toddf | even if one doesn't have such robust setups, using inet timeservers on a few reliable local systems and polling them from other local systems always makes sense to me | [06:02] |
| bob^^ | i agree | [06:03] |
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| Guest81366 | hi i
have problem whit my network i occured the follow message errror system error 53 when i try to use the command dos net view \ip :( someone help me | [06:10] |
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| RandalSchwartz | if you know enough to set up local ntp hosts, you aren't looking at the wiki.
so maybe the wiki can also say "if you have a cluster of machines, setting up a local timeserver would be useful" | [06:30] |
| mike-burns | It might make sense for one of us to run a NTP server that others can use. | [06:31] |
| RandalSchwartz | or if there was some way to always slave the virtual clock to the host clock
I presume the hosts are all good anyway | [06:32] |
| mike-burns | Yeah that'd be even better. | [06:33] |
| RandalSchwartz | ntp has trouble with VMs, because of the non-linearity of execution | [06:33] |
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| awyeah | Yo!
there's actually activity here for once. | [06:48] |
| bob^^ | :) | [06:56] |
| RandalSchwartz | there's always activity here. ) | [06:59] |
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| RandalSchwartz | I tried adding the wikipage, and got a moinmoin error.
Forget it then. Not gonna help if something is that broken | [07:06] |
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| fink_ | hi RandalSchwartz | [07:26] |
| toddf | there is a vmware knob to get time out of the host, on real vmware vm's OpenBSD has a not-enabled-yet driver called vmt(4) which amongst other things gets time delta and ntpd can use this, I tried hacking qemu to do just the time piece, but vmt(4) wanted more, so I gave up
qemu -> kvm .. same codebase more or less ;-) | [07:39] |
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| RandalSchwartz | hey fink | [07:44] |
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| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: you got an error? weird, worked for me when I clicked "Create this page"
http://wiki.arpnetworks.com/wiki/NTPonFreeBSD now you can hit "Edit this page" | [13:26] |
| bob^^ | hey up_the_irons - do you use HE for transit/anything? | [13:27] |
| up_the_irons | bob^^: i peer with them and also get full IPv6 routing table from them | [13:27] |
| bob^^ | ahh
just ordered 1gbit/s (burstable to 10gbit/s) transit with full ipv4/6 1.5usd/mbit | [13:28] |
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| up_the_irons | bob^^: yeah they're pretty cheap :) | [13:44] |
| bob^^ | hopefully reliable ;)
we're finally joining linx in london :) and taking much, much more DC space down there plenty of space for when you decide to expand to europe ;) | [13:45] |
| up_the_irons | nice :) | [13:47] |
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| up_the_irons | LOL, RootBSD finally got an irc channel
up_the_irons visits... | [15:07] |
| RandalSchwartz | cool... another of my performance optimizations just went live for $client | [15:08] |
| CESSMASTER | up_the_irons: spam their channel | [15:08] |
| RandalSchwartz | loadaverage dropped a whole point over the cluster | [15:08] |
| up_the_irons | CESSMASTER: LOL
RandalSchwartz: sweet | [15:08] |
| RandalSchwartz | does rootbsd offer v6?
doesn't look like it ahh - answered in the FAQ... "no" "but you can get one with sixxs.net" that's just silly especially since I found he.net far easier than sixxs and I had a sixxs tunnel for three years | [15:09] |
| bob^^ | i looked at rootbsd before picking arp :)
i picked arp because of the website (seriously) it's minimalist, loaded quickly, low graphics - perfect website :) | [15:11] |
| RandalSchwartz | up_the_irons doesn't have time to clutter it up. :) | [15:12] |
| bob^^ | :D | [15:12] |
| up_the_irons | haha, i don't have the skills to make a flashy website | [15:14] |
| bob^^ | i think i've got three other people to join arp too :)
exactly up_the_irons, that normally means you know what you're doing on the technical end of things which is the important bit :) i'm the same - vi is as far as i get with web editing ;) | [15:14] |
| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: i think they just added IPv6 support, according to their tweets
bob^^: right :) bob^^: the whole site was made in vim too actually... ;) | [15:14] |
| bob^^ | :D
best web editor ever ;) | [15:15] |
| up_the_irons | and it validates perfectly | [15:15] |
| bob^^ | hah, wow - mine never do :/ | [15:15] |
| up_the_irons | at least the last time i checked ;) | [15:15] |
| bob^^ | thankfully i don't need to do web design - we hired a friend of mine to do our design (print and web)
he makes blank pages that i add php to :) | [15:16] |
| up_the_irons | oh bah, it doesn't anymore ;) 2 errors, oh well
nice :) | [15:16] |
| bob^^ | which reminds me - i should learn something *other* than php for web
i hate php now :/ | [15:17] |
| RandalSchwartz | Seaside!
except then you'll be spoiled and never want to go back to anything else again | [15:17] |
| bob^^ | i want something strongly typed
and declarative | [15:17] |
| RandalSchwartz | Smalltalk values *are* very strongly typed | [15:17] |
| bob^^ | tbh, i want some form of pascal for the web :) | [15:18] |
| up_the_irons | i always liked Pascal, haven't used it in like 13 years | [15:18] |
| bob^^ | i write windows apps with delphi :)
so pascal is second nature to me you see :) how's python for web stuff? also, you guys seen this: http://howfuckedismydatabase.com/ ;) | [15:18] |
| RandalSchwartz | If you must choose a "scripting" language, I obviously would prefer Perl
a lot more stuff out there on the nets with Perl but seriously, if you can hack Python or Perl, you can hack Smalltalk | [15:23] |
| bob^^ | i am not a fan of perl, i find it a little on the tough side to compose | [15:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | and Seaside is far beter. | [15:24] |
| bob^^ | i can hack perl fine | [15:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | better. | [15:24] |
| bob^^ | not seen seaside though... *googles* | [15:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | seaside.st
debugging *within* a web hit continuations so you can capture patterns in both space *and* time | [15:24] |
| bob^^ | sounds useful | [15:25] |
| RandalSchwartz | session data that you don't need to serialize | [15:25] |
| bob^^ | mmm, handy | [15:25] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah - it's quite cool | [15:25] |
| bob^^ | i'll take a proper look at work tomorrow
i started learning django (python) it's 'nice', but for some reason i don't feel comfortable with it | [15:26] |
| RandalSchwartz | the debugging within a web hit in seaside... *nobody* else does that | [15:27] |
| bob^^ | that would be very useful | [15:28] |
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| RandalSchwartz | and the continuations are also cool. you can have a library that "returns a page" from within, and when the hit comes back, it magically goes back inside that library with all local variables restored, so that the library can do things like "show this form until it validates" or "ensure logged in before showing this page", etc | [15:29] |
| bob^^ | wow
that is very cool very cool indeed | [15:29] |
| RandalSchwartz | plus, all the usual layout things... components-within-components for layout
but each of those can have state attached, and progress independently and it's reasonably compatible with jQuery and scriptaculous for some real cool power websites | [15:29] |
| bob^^ | i love jquery
use it with tablesorter stuff all the time, very useful :) | [15:30] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah - imagine jquery with an updater that runs an arbitrary code block *in the proper context* on the server side
even with a view of *local* variables at the time of definition no need to imagine... seaside does that, trivially | [15:31] |
| bob^^ | so... silly question, but what do i need to install for seaside to work? | [15:31] |
| RandalSchwartz | seaside.st has a one-click image
and there are links there to two full books for tutorials | [15:32] |
| bob^^ | i assume there's some sort of framework and a smalltalk module for apache?
ah-hah, yea, i see it now :) | [15:32] |
| RandalSchwartz | no - it's standalone, but people typically reverse proxy it
as in, smalltalk is listening on port 80 or 8080 | [15:32] |
| bob^^ | how does it scale? | [15:32] |
| RandalSchwartz | pretty well. | [15:32] |
| bob^^ | presumably quite well, add more hardware? | [15:32] |
| RandalSchwartz | each image can deliver about 5-20 dynamic pages a second on a modern single core
so when you get above that, you just add more cores, and a traffic director | [15:33] |
| bob^^ | cool
i've got some beasty hardware sitting spare in the office - four boxes with quad-core nehalems, 24gb of ram and loads of sas disks :) only boxes i've ever seen do scp at a full 1gbit/s | [15:33] |
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