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| nesta | trying to make a gfx or wireless nic work | [00:00] |
| IPv6Freely | yeai dont mind messing with a server (even then, not a fan - id rather get it working and not touch it) | [00:00] |
| nesta | oh I love fiddlin
hehe in fact mine is currently broke as a result | [00:00] |
| IPv6Freely | yep, understood.. many do. Just not me :P
i dont use osx because im stupid (as the win/linux people say), but because im lazy... in that regard, at least. | [00:00] |
| nesta | I think windows it the 'hardest' of the lot
overall anyway | [00:01] |
| IPv6Freely | well part of it is that i dont like the whole open source philosophy | [00:02] |
| nesta | oh you don't?
aw okay | [00:02] |
| IPv6Freely | no. Sharing code and such is wonderful... it really is... im all about sharing knowledge
But when software A depends on software B being version x, and software C depends on software B being version y, and something breaks... ARGH. Similar situation with java... i could run my packetshaper gui, but not my firewall gui, because each depended on a different version of java being installed. drove me nuts having to run a VM for one of them kind of an offtopic example, but same idea | [00:02] |
| up_the_irons | I think "dependencies" is high up there in the Reasons for Computer Frustration "Hall of Fame" | [00:05] |
| IPv6Freely | As I've always said "Linux works great, until it doesnt"
I always hear about how well ubuntu works and how easy it is... which is fine, until something breaks. Then you're screwed. Unless you know what you're doing. | [00:07] |
| nesta | lol.. in which case you are not screwed
bit of a conundrum that so basically, IPv6Freely, you are saying RTFM? :) | [00:08] |
| IPv6Freely | But an OS thats supposedly computer illiterate friendly and so easy to use that requires you to know what youre doing to fix problems... well.. thats kind of a contradiction | [00:09] |
| nesta | hmm up_the_irons have you ever put NetBSD on a vps for anyone? | [00:09] |
| up_the_irons | nesta: no | [00:09] |
| IPv6Freely | up_the_irons: make my damn vps :P
<3 | [00:10] |
| nesta | okay, do you know is the IPV6 setup on OpenBSD similar to that on FreeBSD ?
google is not much use atm :S | [00:10] |
| IPv6Freely | mmm native ipv6 on arp... woot | [00:11] |
| up_the_irons | IPv6Freely: patience patience. i have a large order in front of you, an existing customer ordered 6 more VMs. After I'm done with that order, I'll move into yours and the others I got this morning | [00:11] |
| nesta | yes, it rox my sox | [00:11] |
| up_the_irons | IPv6Freely: :) | [00:11] |
| IPv6Freely | oh darn. no worries i guess | [00:11] |
| up_the_irons | nesta: it is not really the same, config files are very different | [00:11] |
| nesta | yeah | [00:12] |
| up_the_irons | IPv6Freely: you'll be set up in the next couple hours though, no problem | [00:12] |
| nesta | okay I guess it is re-install time for me hehe | [00:12] |
| up_the_irons | up_the_irons gets back to work | [00:12] |
| nesta | damn MAC/ACL have screwed me
;-/ | [00:12] |
| IPv6Freely | no problem up_the_irons ill be asleep im sure. :) | [00:12] |
| up_the_irons | :) | [00:13] |
| IPv6Freely | 64-bit fbsd8 right? | [00:14] |
| up_the_irons | yeah | [00:15] |
| IPv6Freely | cool | [00:15] |
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| nesta | nesta twiddles thumbs while the OS re-installs | [00:36] |
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| up_the_irons | IPv6Freely: your VPS is baking... | [01:07] |
| nesta | mmmh baked VPS
yummy | [01:08] |
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| IPv6Freely | wooooo
what do you guys use for vnc on osx? | [01:20] |
| nesta | IPv6Freely: use chicken of the vnc
it's the only one that works lol no copy paste function | [01:24] |
| IPv6Freely | k | [01:24] |
| stupid question time
how do i use F12 with a mac keybord? function+F12 just brings up my osx dashboard :S | [01:32] | |
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| IPv6Freely | got it, just unmapped function+F12 since F4 does dashboard anyway
heh so much for following that zfs tutorial | [01:36] |
| up_the_irons | IPv6Freely: ZFS tutorial no good? | [01:39] |
| IPv6Freely | i try gpart destroy ad0 and it says device busy | [01:39] |
| up_the_irons | i c | [01:41] |
| IPv6Freely | i suck at the internet | [01:41] |
| up_the_irons | haha | [01:41] |
| IPv6Freely | i guess i cant follow this word for word afterall | [01:42] |
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| IPv6Freely | aha! magic
"gpart delete -i 1 ad0" first :) apparently i win at the internet... or at least my google-fu is strong | [01:45] |
| dbgi | you are funny and silly hehe :P | [01:49] |
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| IPv6Freely | damn it, i got it to work all the way down to "zfs unmount -a" | [02:13] |
| wooo all done | [02:22] | |
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| nesta | argh
up_the_irons: are you around? | [05:51] |
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| RandalSchwartz | where is the server physically located? I'm updating my geo record for stonehenge.com
wilshire annex, or something like that | [07:57] |
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| awyeah | Is there an easy way to do dynamic DNS with BIND? | [08:13] |
| bob^^ | from dhcp or something else? | [08:19] |
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| awyeah | it would have to be a remote update client.
Similar to the way dyndns or no-ip works. | [08:38] |
| RandalSchwartz | a bit of googling - http://www.oceanwave.com/technical-resources/unix-admin/nsupdate.html
You Too can Google On Your Own for such Tasty Treats!(tm) | [08:39] |
| bob^^ | oh - nsupdate would be my recommendation
http://linux.yyz.us/nsupdate/ | [08:39] |
| RandalSchwartz | I just googled for "bind dyndns"
many hundreds of hits | [08:40] |
| bob^^ | is a useful link | [08:40] |
| awyeah | Cool.
Or... are there any services out there that will not charge me to delegate a subdomain for dynamic DNs. | [08:47] |
| bob^^ | i do it the cheating way | [08:47] |
| awyeah | freedns.afraid.org looks promising.
also, they run FreeBSD. CNAME? :) | [08:47] |
| bob^^ | :)
saves a lot of hassle ;) | [08:48] |
| awyeah | yeh. maybe I should just do that. lots easier. | [08:55] |
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| IPv6Freely | sooo... i did the zfs freebsd tutorial, but now no ssh to my vps :( | [11:15] |
| jdoe | anyone who can answer a possibly dumbassed xmonad question? | [11:19] |
| RandalSchwartz | IPv6Freely - did you remember to enable ssh? :)
you have to add that to /etc/rc.conf | [11:20] |
| jdoe | installed it on the current ubuntu. The xmonad xsession it sets up works, but is ... barren. Xmonad doesn't seem particularly happy running inside of gnome though. When I change the wm from metacity -> xmonad with gconftool it ... works... sort of? As soon as gnome starts it seems to trample all over xmonad though.
draws the background over xmonad, hijacks keyboard etc. | [11:20] |
| RandalSchwartz | ... sshd_enable=YES
you should be able to log in on the console though that's not ssh even though you're sshing to get there. :) RandalSchwartz stops talking until IPv6Freely faces this way again | [11:21] |
| IPv6Freely | RandalSchwartz: haha nope, never put that in.
im used to default installs where everything is just done for you in sysinstall :P | [11:22] |
| RandalSchwartz | so you should be able to access the login prompt on the console | [11:22] |
| IPv6Freely | yea console is no problem | [11:22] |
| RandalSchwartz | and login as root from there
then fix everything else | [11:22] |
| IPv6Freely | ok freebsd noob question - can i apply the changes i made in rc.conf without rebooting? | [11:23] |
| RandalSchwartz | sorta
if you know which rc.d they map to, yes you can say /etc/rc.d/sshd start, for example for something installed from ports, it's in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/something with a few exceptions, MUMBLE_enable maps to [/usr/local]/etc/rc.d/MUMBLE start | [11:24] |
| IPv6Freely | yea i know about that stuff
so its just a matter of manually starting whichever daemon ive changed | [11:26] |
| RandalSchwartz | I imagine you could just run /etc/rc, but that might have nasty second-time consequences | [11:26] |
| IPv6Freely | fair enough, thanks | [11:26] |
| RandalSchwartz | I never trust running initialization twice :) | [11:27] |
| IPv6Freely | yeah understood | [11:27] |
| RandalSchwartz | RandalSchwartz wanders off | [11:27] |
| IPv6Freely | haha thanks man :) ssh working now | [11:28] |
| jdoe | crisis averted.
jdoe stabs haskell | [11:30] |
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| jdoe | ... and somehow it broke sound. Haha. | [11:57] |
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| awyeah | yeh
don't run /etc/rc :) It does a lot of things. some of which you may not want ) | [12:24] |
| bob^^ | especially if you're remotely connected ;) | [12:33] |
| awyeah | hahah right.l | [12:34] |
| nesta | wb RandalSchwartz | [12:37] |
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| mmm does anyone here know.. if I install a base 8.0 system can I just csup source for 8.1 and upgrade straight to it or do I have to update the 8.0 first and then go to 8.1 ? | [12:54] | |
| RandalSchwartz | I didn't see anything in the 8.1 release notes that would imply that you had to be at the very latest 8.0
... http://www.freebsd.org/releases/8.1R/announce.html | [12:55] |
| nesta | cheers RandalSchwartz
I musta done some voodoo on my install yesterday, no idea why it went all pear shaped hehe try try again as they s ay | [12:56] |
| RandalSchwartz | and this - http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html
and /usr/src/UPDATING, apparently | [12:57] |
| awyeah | poop.
shit. | [12:57] |
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| nesta | yeah I can buildworld in my sleep pretty much
but post install things were very odd nice quit msg there | [12:57] |
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| nesta | wb awyeah | [12:59] |
| awyeah | Something got screwed up with my terminal and I couldn't fix it.
and why the hell do I not ever resolve Can any of you resolve my address to the proper hostname? | [12:59] |
| RandalSchwartz | what's your address? :) | [13:00] |
| awyeah | oh
2607:f2f8:7400::2 | [13:00] |
| nesta | yes it resolves for me | [13:01] |
| RandalSchwartz | did you get DNS delegated yet? | [13:01] |
| nesta | Non-authoritative answer:
2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.4.7.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.ip6.arpa name = excelsior6.awyeah.net. | [13:01] |
| awyeah | Yeah. then why can't freenode resolve it. | [13:02] |
| RandalSchwartz | I got NXDOMAIN for that same query | [13:02] |
| awyeah | wtf. | [13:02] |
| RandalSchwartz | so maybe it depends on which nameserver | [13:02] |
| nesta | does ZFS work with multiple partitions? | [13:02] |
| awyeah | Weird. I haven't updated my DNS in a long time.
RandalSchwartz - can you dig it? | [13:02] |
| RandalSchwartz | do you have a secondary that isn't refreshing?
what's the dig syntax? | [13:02] |
| nesta | dig 2607:f2f8:7400::2 AAAA | [13:03] |
| IPv6Freely | i need to get dns working for ipv6 on my vps | [13:03] |
| nesta | yeh dig is not work for me awyeah | [13:03] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah dig can't find either | [13:03] |
| awyeah | So you got NXDOMAIN on dig?
hrmph. | [13:03] |
| nesta | nslookup worked for me though | [13:03] |
| RandalSchwartz | I get no answer
how does dig show NXDOMAIN? sorry, I always use "host" not "dig" now | [13:04] |
| awyeah | dig doesn't even work for me when I use @localhost on my box.
weird. | [13:05] |
| RandalSchwartz | hah - this time with +trace on, I see it goes to arp, and arp delegates to 206.125.173.26 and 202.157.182.142
maybe one of those aren't refreshed | [13:05] |
| IPv6Freely | i need to buy a domain name to use with my vps | [13:06] |
| nesta | all of my domains suck :-/
hehe I was drunk when I bought most of them | [13:06] |
| IPv6Freely | i really want to get ipv6 going on mine, but i dont know how ipv6 dns works | [13:07] |
| RandalSchwartz | ahh - this is interesting - http://www.intodns.com/0.0.4.7.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.ip6.arpa | [13:08] |
| IPv6Freely | but id absolutely love having a website on ipv6 :) | [13:08] |
| RandalSchwartz | see the red fails down below
ns1.awyeah.net is not responding to dns | [13:08] |
| awyeah | hmmmmm | [13:09] |
| IPv6Freely | i could do ipv6freely.com :P | [13:09] |
| awyeah | Still can't figure out what's going on. weird. | [13:16] |
| RandalSchwartz | you mean you think ns1.awyeah.net is responding?
or you don't know why it isn't? what part of "what's going on" are you missing? | [13:19] |
| awyeah | I'm pretty sure the nameserver is responding, try again (it's the box I'm on, and when I loaded the intodns.com page it worked)
i'm also having issues with my dig syntax | [13:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | dig +trace stopped before finishing too | [13:21] |
| awyeah | hrm. | [13:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | gave two nameservers for 0.0.4.7.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.ip6.arpa.
but then nothing past them | [13:22] |
| awyeah | what was your full command line? | [13:22] |
| RandalSchwartz | oops - getting pulled into meeting
sorry | [13:23] |
| awyeah | well first, I had a bad record in the forward DNS for awyeah.net. | [13:26] |
| according to http://dnssy.com/report.php?q=0.0.4.7.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.IP6.ARPA
the NS records are different between my stuff and ARP's stuff and crappers, my nameserver didn't appear to return an SOA record. | [13:37] | |
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| up_the_irons | jdoe: xmonad works great with gnome on Lucid, but I didn't enable it with gconftool. Instead I followed: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_Gnome under "2.1 A Simple Hybrid Alternative"
RandalSchwartz: server is physically located at: 900 N. Alameda, Los Angeles, CA 90012 | [14:20] |
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| RandalSchwartz | cool. now I just need to get lat/lon for that | [14:34] |
| dxtr | up_the_irons: Hey, could you check something for me real quick+ | [14:34] |
| RandalSchwartz | 34.058682, -118.235303
and now convert that to HMS | [14:34] |
| dxtr | up_the_irons! Fine! Ignore me then .) | [14:38] |
| awyeah | 03-Aug-2010 14:43:12.646 security: info: client 173.88.161.245#64606: query (cache) '2607:f2f8:7400::2/PTR/IN' denied
Why the hell is it denying! | [14:41] |
| jdoe | up_the_irons: yeah that wasn't the issue. | [14:41] |
| awyeah | I wonder if it thinks it isn't authoritative for that. | [14:41] |
| jdoe | up_the_irons: if I started xmonad from "xmonad.desktop" it worked fine, and fucked up as soon as I ran /etc/X11/Xsession or whatever.
I needed to tweak xmonad.hs to tell it to give space for the gnome panels etc. | [14:41] |
| up_the_irons | jdoe: ah yeah, import GnomeConfig or some shit
i had to do that too | [14:45] |
| dxtr | You said shit! | [14:46] |
| up_the_irons | shit | [14:46] |
| dxtr | You said shit! | [14:46] |
| up_the_irons | ... | [14:46] |
| dxtr | dxtr giggles | [14:46] |
| awyeah | shitshitshitshitshit
:( | [14:47] |
| dxtr | You couldn't be awesome and see if you actually got my money? I got a receipt but can't for the love of god find something to you in my bank log
up_the_irons | [14:47] |
| up_the_irons | dxtr: if you got a receipt, you were charged | [14:48] |
| dxtr | well then
Problem solved :P | [14:48] |
| jdoe | up_the_irons: not sure if GnomeConfig alone does it, or if I needed the manageHooks crap
either way, it was a disappointing experience with a distro package :P | [14:48] |
| up_the_irons | jdoe: you need a couple other lines, yeah | [14:49] |
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| IPv6Free1y | ahoy | [14:50] |
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| jdoe | up_the_irons: yeah I dunno. I'm sure I'll give it another shot, xmonad.hs is just so ... it makes perl look like prose.
I needed to stop fucking around and get some work done :P | [14:52] |
| up_the_irons | jdoe: LOL. Haskell is funny, you either love it or hate it. All the funny operators go over my head. i'm just smart enough to copy & paste the right stuff, and change some lines to do what i want | [14:53] |
| jdoe | up_the_irons: it's not really that I love it or hate it, it's that it means nothing to me.
up_the_irons: so I can cut and paste shit from the example configs and have it mostly work. Maybe. And have no idea what any of it actually does. ie "layoutHook = avoidStruts $ layoutHook gnomeConfig" wtf is that. | [14:54] |
| up_the_irons | jdoe: welcome to xmonad :) | [14:54] |
| jdoe | no kidding.
haha. | [14:54] |
| up_the_irons | jdoe: yeah, no idea; it just seems to work :) | [14:54] |
| RandalSchwartz | Haskell makes Perl look sane. :) | [14:55] |
| dxtr | Or is it Perl that makes Haskell look insane? | [14:56] |
| jdoe | or <+> which I gather is some sort of operator, but... no idea what it does. | [14:56] |
| RandalSchwartz | it's a tie fighter :) | [14:57] |
| up_the_irons | jdoe: i'm still wondering what "|||" does ;) | [14:57] |
| RandalSchwartz | "illogical or" | [14:58] |
| up_the_irons | double wall | [14:58] |
| jdoe | lol | [14:59] |
| nesta | hi up_the_irons | [14:59] |
| jdoe | "illogical or", I like that. | [14:59] |
| nesta | sorry for all this messing
;/ ie. OpenBSD requests lol bbiab | [14:59] |
| awyeah | what. the. hell!
I think my nameserver thinks it isn't authoritative for the reverse stuff. When I do allow-recursion { any }; - then I try to look it up, i get NXDOMAIN otherwise it refuses it | [15:06] |
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| awyeah | awyeah gives up | [15:17] |
| Okay. So it doesn't think it's authoritative for any of my reverse zones.
But all of my forward zones are A-OKAY | [15:27] | |
| RandalSchwartz | awyeah - can you pastebin the relevant lines from your masterconf | [15:30] |
| IPv6Freely | wooo irssi on my new vps | [15:31] |
| RandalSchwartz | zone "0.8.0.3.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.ip6.arpa" { type master; file "master/2607:f2f8:3080"; };
that's what I have | [15:31] |
| IPv6Freely | RandalSchwartz: is that your zfs tutorial? | [15:32] |
| RandalSchwartz | no - this is to help awyeah | [15:33] |
| IPv6Freely | no im askig if you wrote that | [15:33] |
| RandalSchwartz | nope. where is it?
Ahh - it was cribbed from this channel though :) | [15:33] |
| IPv6Freely | oh. http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/
I couldnt do the gpart destroy ad0 without doing gpart delete -i 1 ad0 first | [15:34] |
| RandalSchwartz | I thought you meant this - http://wiki.arpnetworks.com/wiki/ZFSonFreeBSD
Yes - you have to add that. I should update that wiki page since the disks come already configured | [15:34] |
| IPv6Freely | yea
also right at the end where it says "zfs unmount -a" i couldnt do that, said device busy i could do all the set mountpoint lines too, except the legacy line But... my install seems to be working | [15:35] |
| awyeah | Yes that's my syntax as well
It also doesn't think it's authoritative for my IPv4 PTRs. | [15:36] |
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| RandalSchwartz | IPv6Freely - did you cd out of zroot
and were you also out of the chroot shell? perhaps you didn't exit the chroot shell awyeah - can you pastbin your zone file? maybe I can compare it to mine | [15:39] |
| IPv6Freely | RandalSchwartz: i typed everything exactly as written
Not that that answers your questions, but yeah. | [15:40] |
| awyeah | omfg.
dig @localhost -t PTR 2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.4.7.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.IP6.ARPA | [15:41] |
| IPv6Freely | Oh well, the only thing i wasnt able to do is "zfs set mountpoint=legacy zroot", but my install seems to be working fine | [15:41] |
| awyeah | ;; ANSWER SECTION:
2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.4.7.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.IP6.ARPA. 172800 IN PTR excelsior6.awyeah.net. | [15:42] |
| RandalSchwartz | it probably presumed legacy, or something | [15:42] |
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| awyeah | Anyway, so I'm pretty sure that I am configured properly now.
up_the_irons - any chance you can check your reverse delegation for the subnets assigned to my VPS? | [15:45] |
| RandalSchwartz | awyeah - my dig worked
no wait failed no - worked darn it - I don't grok dig very well | [15:49] |
| awyeah | heheh | [15:50] |
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| RandalSchwartz | uh - weird. host failed
but dig worked are you sure you have dots in the right places in your reverse? | [15:50] |
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| RandalSchwartz | can you please paste your master zone somewhere?
it tried to look up a name under my default domain which clearly, your name shoudln't be | [15:51] |
| awyeah | just a quick sec. Check this out. | [15:52] |
| RandalSchwartz | querying my own reverse worked fine | [15:52] |
| awyeah | dig -x 2607:f2f8:7400::2 +trace
You get a good answer (excelsior6.awyeah.net) if you don't do +trace, you don't get a good answer. | [15:52] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah, that's similar to what I'm seeing | [15:52] |
| awyeah | I bet that when you use +trace, it goes and looks it up at each nameserver
when you don't, it just looks it up at your nameserver. | [15:53] |
| RandalSchwartz | ahh, might be a bad cache
but still, something is different... because your names are trying to be looked up under my default domain I think you left out a period somewhere. it's easy to miss. You *do* have '.' after all your NS hosts, right? like for me, it's NS red.stonehenge.com. and NS ns1.he.net. | [15:53] |
| awyeah | Yes | [15:55] |
| RandalSchwartz | note the ending periods
and then I have: $ORIGIN 0.0.0.0.0.8.0.3.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.ip6.arpa. 0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 IN PTR red.stonehenge.com. | [15:55] |
| nesta | ugh
ffs hi up_the_irons :( | [15:56] |
| RandalSchwartz | that's so I don't have to have all those 0's :)
I remember having to count them though. :) | [15:56] |
| awyeah | Yeah I mean I'm fairly familiar with the syntax... I'm pretty sure it's correct, named-checkzone gives me no errors | [15:56] |
| RandalSchwartz | must be a cache then | [15:56] |
| awyeah | and my server does appear to be answering authoriitatively
authoritatively | [15:56] |
| RandalSchwartz | you're hosed until TTL :) | [15:56] |
| awyeah | yeah | [15:56] |
| RandalSchwartz | I hope it was a low TTL | [15:56] |
| awyeah | try dig @excelsior.awyeah.net -x 2607:f2f8:7400::2 | [15:57] |
| RandalSchwartz | wow - a lot of the top-level nameservers are talking to me in v6
nice especially since he.net says in general, v6 is faster than v4 probably thanks to he.net :) anyway, back to $DAYJOB | [15:57] |
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| nesta | /wii nuke`
wah :) | [16:06] |
| IPv6Freely | cool so i have this vps
now... what to do with it... | [16:07] |
| nesta | is it FreeBSD ? | [16:09] |
| IPv6Freely | of course :) | [16:09] |
| nesta | well you should update to the newest release, get the latest patches | [16:10] |
| IPv6Freely | well thats no fun :P | [16:10] |
| nesta | there is a FreeBSD exploit for the all unpatched ones at the moment
local root it's advisable :) | [16:11] |
| IPv6Freely | bah. ill have to look into doing that, im assuming its not like it used to be | [16:11] |
| nesta | hehe | [16:12] |
| IPv6Freely | I made this wayyyyy back. its not still done like this is it? http://3fives.com/tmp/freebsd.html | [16:14] |
| nesta | http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html
use the Handbook | [16:16] |
| IPv6Freely | looks pretty much the same | [16:16] |
| nesta | uhhh
no | [16:17] |
| IPv6Freely | okay, it does to me | [16:17] |
| nesta | okay | [16:17] |
| IPv6Freely | meh, ill do all that when i really have nothing better to do | [16:19] |
| nesta | it's fun if you ask me
but whatever | [16:20] |
| IPv6Freely | heh thats far from fun :P | [16:20] |
| nesta | I wouldn't go around adding any users until you do though
it's fun for me :) | [16:20] |
| IPv6Freely | i just have my user and my root user
since you cant ssh as root :P | [16:20] |
| nesta | ah okay
well you _can_ but not advisable | [16:20] |
| IPv6Freely | because of the security hole? | [16:21] |
| nesta | sure | [16:21] |
| IPv6Freely | k
more /usr/src/UPDATING | [16:21] |
| nesta | I mean if you ssh keys I _suppose_ it's "okay"
but I still would not | [16:21] |
| IPv6Freely | until ive updated you mean? | [16:22] |
| nesta | hm? no I just mean you could use ssh keys to ssh in as root because then no one could sniff a pass
but it's not advisable nonetheless | [16:22] |
| IPv6Freely | oh gotcha
okay so i should follow that rebuilding world part of the handbook top to bottom | [16:25] |
| nesta | yes sir, at the moment I am having issues but generally that *just works*
I am noobin it up at the moment :'( | [16:26] |
| IPv6Freely | why does it have the makekernel stuff at the top and then again half way down? | [16:26] |
| nesta | well it gives a few example
s diff scenarios | [16:26] |
| IPv6Freely | im very confused
24.7.1 tells you do the buildworld and buildkernel, and then 24.7.7.2 has you doing make buildworld again | [16:26] |
| nesta | it is kinda confusing but basically its just, make buildkernel && make buildworld && make installkernel && reboot to single user && cd /usr/src && mergemaster -p && make installworld && mergemaster && Reboot
yeah its just different ways if you read closely | [16:27] |
| IPv6Freely | jesus christ this stuff is way too complicated | [16:28] |
| dxtr | Do you guys have any pro-tip for backing up configuration files?
rsync /usr/local/etc and /etc to somewhere? | [16:40] |
| nesta | dxtr: I just tar them up and bring em home with scp | [16:41] |
| dxtr | nesta: Well I have a lot of configuration files :D
Thing is I didn't know about that local root exploit. Now I've got to re-install my VPS(!!!) just to be sure And firsthing I do is update it | [16:41] |
| nesta | tar -cvvpzf /usr/backup/localetc.tar.gz /usr/local/etc&
etc thats what I do then chown then .gz's to a user and scp them home I tend to do things a bit funny though so :) ymmv | [16:43] |
| dxtr | Hehe | [16:44] |
| jdoe | ... alright... been mostly productive... time to fuck around with xmonad again... | [16:57] |
| nesta | xmonad is cool | [16:58] |
| IPv6Freely | wtf, irssi just said "day changed to 04 Aug 2010"... wtf timezone is this in | [16:58] |
| dxtr | GMT-1? :P | [16:59] |
| IPv6Freely | fail | [16:59] |
| nesta | depends on what ya set it to
:P | [16:59] |
| jdoe | UTC | [16:59] |
| IPv6Freely | i set it to PDT last night. its definitely not midnight PDT | [16:59] |
| jdoe | aka "real time" :P | [17:00] |
| RandalSchwartz | the One True Time :)
at least you didn't set it to swatch time :) IPv6Freely - what does "date" say? | [17:00] |
| up_the_irons | jdoe: since i went through the xmonad dance again recently, here's my build log of xmonad on my netbook: http://pastie.org/private/afxnwva4wjujbxb4k4laxw
might help, might not; take what you like | [17:01] |
| IPv6Freely | Wed Aug 4 00:03:44 PDT 2010 | [17:01] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah, that's wrong | [17:02] |
| IPv6Freely | heh | [17:02] |
| RandalSchwartz | ntpdate ntp.pool.org
that'll snap it to the right time for now just hope you haven't done any makes for a while | [17:02] |
| IPv6Freely | yea looking at ntp config in the handbook | [17:02] |
| RandalSchwartz | ntp is already configged
just enable it ntpdate_enable=YES ntpd_enable=YES then /etc/rc.d/ntpd start do NOT edit the ntp conf file it's already correct out of the box | [17:02] |
| dxtr | Where do I start if I'd like to reinstall?
I mean, where do I insert the CD? :P | [17:03] |
| IPv6Freely | tharrr we go. | [17:04] |
| RandalSchwartz | the DVD is already installed | [17:04] |
| dxtr | I know the rest | [17:04] |
| RandalSchwartz | just hit f12 during boot up | [17:04] |
| dxtr | Oh, neat | [17:04] |
| RandalSchwartz | and remember to wipe ad0 :) | [17:04] |
| IPv6Freely | thanks RandalSchwartz i was doing that as you were typing it ;) | [17:04] |
| jdoe | up_the_irons: right on, thanks. I'm trying to preserve as much of gnome as I can though, I just want something better than metacity :) | [17:04] |
| dxtr | RandalSchwartz: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad0? :P | [17:04] |
| jdoe | up_the_irons: ... so if you have any xmonad.hs-fu that's not specific to dzen, gwmenu or whatever I'm all ears. | [17:05] |
| IPv6Freely | Tue Aug 3 17:06:09 PDT 2010 yay | [17:05] |
| RandalSchwartz | not really necessary, unless you have hostile local root users
in which case, you have a bigger problem it'd have to be someone who can read the raw disk otherwise, freebsd does a pretty good job of handing you zeros on new blocks | [17:05] |
| dxtr | RandalSchwartz: Well, I'm installing because I might've gotten my VPS rooted (Here I was thinking FBSD 8.0-RELEASE was kind of safe :P) | [17:06] |
| RandalSchwartz | right - but you're wiping it
as in, new install | [17:06] |
| jdoe | RandalSchwartz: something I used to like doing was going to linode, provisioning a new machine with the smallest disk I could get away with (like a 400MB debian install or wahtever) and then creating a virtual disk with the rest of my quota | [17:06] |
| dxtr | Yeah | [17:06] |
| RandalSchwartz | the bits that aren't part of the blocks are meaningless | [17:06] |
| jdoe | ... and scraping it for ssh keys, gnupg keyrings etc.
apparently linode doesn't/doesn't wipe disk before providing it to users. | [17:06] |
| RandalSchwartz | ewww ouch | [17:07] |
| jdoe | (I just did it as a PoC, no malicious intent) | [17:07] |
| RandalSchwartz | remind me to continue to not recommend linode :) | [17:07] |
| jdoe | I dunno.
I recommend here now. but if someone doesn't like it for whatever reason, I still recommend linode. | [17:07] |
| IPv6Freely | IPv6Freely completely lost | [17:08] |
| jdoe | (arpnetworks has more of a small-company feel, some people are skittish about that) | [17:08] |
| RandalSchwartz | IPv6Freely? what are you lost about now? | [17:08] |
| IPv6Freely | whatever you guys are talking about | [17:08] |
| RandalSchwartz | it's not for you then. :) | [17:08] |
| IPv6Freely | clearly :) | [17:08] |
| jdoe | dxtr: fbsd 8.0 IS safe. You did something to fuck it up ;)
(probably) | [17:08] |
| dxtr | jdoe: Well, local root exploits are making me paranoid ;) | [17:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | you have untrusted local users?
I guess I'm lucky that way all my local users are trusted they all have root too :) | [17:09] |
| dxtr | RandalSchwartz: Well, one | [17:10] |
| jdoe | dxtr: there haven't been many of those in 8. I think there's been one or two things that required a reboot. freebsd-update is your friend. You DO cron it, right? ;) | [17:11] |
| RandalSchwartz | you should put that untrusted user in his own jail :) | [17:11] |
| dxtr | RandalSchwartz: Yeah, "I'll do that later" :D
Have been my motto for a couple of weeks | [17:12] |
| jdoe | haha.
jailing probably isn't a silver bullet if it's an escalation in the kernel, but it's... generally a good idea. | [17:12] |
| RandalSchwartz | RandalSchwartz wanders off | [17:15] |
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| cmeiklejohn | up_the_irons: you got some props here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1569559 | [17:30] |
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| dxtr | up_the_irons :p | [18:14] |
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| jdoe | cmeiklejohn: fuck hackernews :P
that site/feed is such garbage. ... props are awesome and all, I just felt like venting some HN rage ;) | [18:38] |
| cmeiklejohn | heh
ok then. | [18:40] |
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| awyeah | hey he.net has a DNS service now.
awyeah adds another slave | [19:10] |
| smokey | any idea how i manually set my nameservers for my v6 and v4 reverse? | [19:10] |
| up_the_irons | cmeiklejohn: ah cool! | [19:10] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah, I'm moving all of my domains to he.net
one at a time of course | [19:11] |
| smokey | thats what i wanna use :P | [19:11] |
| awyeah | I'm just going to use them as a slave for now, I like bind.
bind doesn't like me. but I like bind. | [19:11] |
| RandalSchwartz | especailly because you get *five* slaves all over the *world* for free | [19:11] |
| smokey | ive got all my stuff there. | [19:11] |
| RandalSchwartz | fast fast slaves
all but one are v6 too now if up_the_irons would fix my reverse, I coudl advance to the *next* level on the ipv6 certification | [19:11] |
| cmeiklejohn | RandalSchwartz: I got my stuff there too -- got my Sage cert too ;) | [19:13] |
| awyeah | wait, they slave on *all* their DNS servers? | [19:13] |
| RandalSchwartz | Yes.
host -t ns stonehenge.com my stuff is in six places around the world I'm up to profession, waiting on guru professional | [19:14] |
| cmeiklejohn | RandalSchwartz: cool | [19:14] |
| awyeah | hmmmm | [19:17] |
| cmeiklejohn | awyeah: hrmm/
? | [19:17] |
| nesta | hi | [19:18] |
| twiggz | i probably have kids in more countries. | [19:20] |
| jdoe | smokey: ? | [19:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | o/~ I've got friends... in low places... o/~ | [19:21] |
| nesta | where the whiskey drowns .. | [19:22] |
| twiggz | glenlivet here.
12 years old. <3 shopping for more cigars now... | [19:22] |
| RandalSchwartz | "I like my whiskey like I like my women..." :) | [19:23] |
| twiggz | really? cheap and nasty? | [19:23] |
| RandalSchwartz | "18 year old" | [19:23] |
| twiggz | glennfiddich has an 18 year old single malt i think | [19:24] |
| cmeiklejohn | they do | [19:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | The Macallan 25. Nectar of the GOds | [19:24] |
| twiggz | the green bottle | [19:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | $450 a fifth
and worth the $20/shot | [19:24] |
| smokey | ? | [19:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | smokey? | [19:25] |
| smokey | jdoe said my name... | [19:25] |
| twiggz | i like nice cigars to much to bother with spending to much on single malt scotch/whiskey ....single malt is good enough... i am partial to makers mark and glenlivet... | [19:25] |
| RandalSchwartz | oh | [19:25] |
| twiggz | the makers mark cigars are awesome to.
lol | [19:25] |
| jdoe | lol
jdoe is a CERTIFIED IPV6 NEWBIE | [19:26] |
| smokey | same here :x | [19:26] |
| jdoe | smokey: you were asking you to set nameservers for reverse.
smokey: and I was asking (poorly) for you to elaborate ;) | [19:26] |
| twiggz | ipv6 is crap...noone uses it...maybe 10% of the internet even has access to ipv6 natively right now....from their own isps.... | [19:27] |
| smokey | right now my v4/v6 use ns1/2.arpnetworks.com i'd like to switch em to ns(1-5).he.net
time to eat. i submitted a ticket..now i wait! | [19:27] |
| twiggz | ive lived in 5 states over the past 3 years ...and never had an isp offer native ipv6
:/ and setting up ipv6 tunnel is justmore trouble than its worth.. | [19:28] |
| RandalSchwartz | twiggz - your (minority) opinion is noted, and will go on your permanent record.
RandalSchwartz grins truth is, we're outta v4 in a year or so and yes, major ISPs are spinning up v6 projects | [19:30] |
| twiggz | thats what they say, sure. | [19:30] |
| RandalSchwartz | and have you seen tunnelbroker.net?
you can have a v6 tunnel in about 10 minutes | [19:31] |
| twiggz | and sure, "spinning up" does not = OFFERING IPv6 | [19:31] |
| RandalSchwartz | or miredo, to get a tunnel anywhere you're natted | [19:31] |
| twiggz | so... | [19:31] |
| RandalSchwartz | twiggz - you live in the US, apparently | [19:31] |
| twiggz | yes, i do. | [19:31] |
| RandalSchwartz | internationally, the story is different | [19:31] |
| twiggz | i know. | [19:31] |
| RandalSchwartz | the US is hogging most of the remaining v4
because we know we're backwards :) | [19:31] |
| jdoe | RandalSchwartz: seems unlikely, there's still a ton of space that can be reclaimed.
(re: running out) | [19:32] |
| twiggz | we also get to have guns. | [19:32] |
| RandalSchwartz | jdoe - not politically | [19:32] |
| twiggz | damn us! | [19:32] |
| jdoe | not politically? I'm talking about reserved blocks, not assigned /8s | [19:32] |
| RandalSchwartz | the reserved blocks are running out
about a year left | [19:33] |
| twiggz | thats what they said a year ago
sorry, its true. | [19:33] |
| jdoe | heh, yes, we've been running out for quite some time.
... and while I'm sure it's coming soon, I don't think it's coming *that* soon. | [19:33] |
| twiggz | a year ago they said "we wont have any left in a year" | [19:33] |
| RandalSchwartz | it has slowed down a bit | [19:33] |
| twiggz | a year passes....i still get ipv4 addys | [19:33] |
| RandalSchwartz | but it won't *keep* slowing down
the recession helped. :) best guess is 322 days now under a year | [19:33] |
| twiggz | ill bet you money
for real noones running out of ipv4 addys in 322 days hell ill give you 340 dys. shit, i should give you a year. probably two... if ipv4 addys were so scarse ...my isp would have a real problem with giving each of my 6 pcs and laptops in the house their own ipv4 address... if i hooked up another hub to the hub i have...id get more ipv4 addys ...lol.. no need for it...i dont have enough boxen. | [19:34] |
| nesta | or fingers? | [19:43] |
| twiggz | kvm switches are useful :)
but yea, "ill bet a fiddle of gold against your soul" that in a year noones running out of ipv4 addys. | [19:48] |
| nesta | we heard ya | [19:52] |
| twiggz | good.
;p | [19:52] |
| RandalSchwartz | since that statement is already false, you already lose
you have to justify wanting a /27 or bigger these days all the way up to ARIN | [19:52] |
| twiggz | haha, you cant possibly know its false. | [19:53] |
| RandalSchwartz | I just gave my evidence | [19:53] |
| twiggz | you are guessing. | [19:53] |
| RandalSchwartz | no - that's fact | [19:53] |
| twiggz | and so is arin. | [19:53] |
| RandalSchwartz | ask up_the_irons
anyway, you've proven your ignorance. we can stop now | [19:53] |
| twiggz | ok, we'll see in a year
they said the same crap last year it didnt happen lol | [19:54] |
| nesta | hrm | [19:57] |
| twiggz | truth is, people are always going to be getting laid off, fired, quitting jobs.....and not being able to afford their internet ......the economy is not getting any better here.....so its a safe bet...in a year they will still not have run out of ipv4 addresses no matter what up_the_irons or arin says.
bet me money. | [19:58] |
| nesta | troll is obvious troll.
only thing worse than a troll is a fail troll :-X | [19:59] |
| twiggz | sorry, im not the one calling people names.
not to mention im right. | [19:59] |
| nesta | np
you must have thought I was referring to you then? ...ahh :) | [19:59] |
| twiggz | just because some op in this channel and arin guesses so does not make his arguement correct. | [20:00] |
| nesta | hehe | [20:00] |
| twiggz | covering my ass :)
i dont care what you think of me. | [20:00] |
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| nesta | ipv4 does not care what you think of it either | [20:00] |
| twiggz | yep. | [20:00] |
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| twiggz | thats why it will still be available a year from now. | [20:00] |
| nesta | so why all the to do | [20:01] |
| twiggz | :D | [20:01] |
| nesta | nice blog | [20:01] |
| twiggz | dont worry, i like my arp vps...ill be around for atleast a year (im sure you hope not), so we'll see.
i dont think i have a blog. i have a ning social network for my irc network...and posted a few bits on it....but i dont blog.. if i blogged....id also have to carry a pastel colored powerbook to barnes n nobles every weekend... (or put apple made POS *book in place of powerbook) twiggz shrugs | [20:01] |
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| jdoe | lol | [20:33] |
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| "ARIN, RIPE and APNIC, and the Internet community are conducting discussions on the question whether organizations that require IPv4 addresses can acquire them from other organizations."
man I hope they kill that. A market for IPv4 addresses is pretty much the worst possible way to address this. | [20:48] | |
| RandalSchwartz | Yup
speculating in the spot market on a /17 :) and certain legacy organizations with /8's would make out like banshees not really fair comcast would reassign me from its 4/8 pool hourly "no packet for an hour? you lose your address!" DHCP valid times of 90 seconds :) | [20:48] |
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| jdoe | yeah.
haha. When I requested an IPv6 allocation (incorrectly, but whatever) my provider thanked me for using it. I lol'd. | [21:14] |
| RandalSchwartz | I have, I think 3 or 4 ipv6 /48's now
so I can enumerate all the grains of sand in the earth a few times over. :) | [21:17] |
| jdoe | I asked for a /64 because honestly I'm just going to fuck around.
up_the_irons is of course correct and I should have requested a /48 | [21:28] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah - you get a /64 just for the routed tunnel :)
the rest of /48 is for all of your dinking around | [21:29] |
| jdoe | yep.
oh well. I can always bug them, they haven't actually GIVEN me the allocation yet. hrm. jdoe stabs the he ipv6 thing. I don't tunnel to home and links doesn't have js. I'll be a newbie forever ;) | [21:32] |
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