#arpnetworks 2010-08-01,Sun

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nestaup_the_irons: I replied :) [07:24]
RandalSchwartzis it possible to mount both the 8.0 and 8.1 fbsd distros when I try an upgrade in a few weeks? [07:38]
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nestawhat ya mean RandalSchwartz ?
why not upgrade via src 		[08:26]
mike-burnsWhen something breaks he wants to be able to fall back easily. [08:32]
nestaah okay
mike-burns: do you admin for arp also? 		[08:32]
mike-burnsJust for the IRC channel. [08:33]
nestaah okay :) [08:35]
RandalSchwartzexactly.
if everything goes well, I can forget the 8.0 disk
but the most critical part is that after freebsd-update for upgrade, I have to *add* a step to recopy the gptzfsboot over, which freebsd-update BREAKS
I consider that a bug... replacing the stage 2 loader with something that isn't upward compatible, but I can't get anyone on ##freebsd to worry
"you installed a non-standard boot loader, right?" "yeah" "well, then you should know to repeat that step" "[shrug]"
it's also possible that I could just reinstall the 8.0 gptzfsboot, but I haven't tried that. 		[08:36]
koanthat's really an annoying answer from them, ZFS is an outstanding feature, why don't they support it completely? [08:42]
mike-burnsNot enough testing. [08:44]
RandalSchwartzgiven that sysinstall doesn't even support it in 8.1 yet, I'd say it's still too fringe to get mainline support
but freebsd-update shouldn't update any binaries that don't match the previous release though
I'd call that a bug
or at least it should warn me
"I wanted checksum X for /foo/bar, but it has Y... replace anyway?" 		[08:44]
koanI'd expect at least a warning, yes
when I upgraded to 8.1 I only discovered about the problem after the reboot, I surely learnt a lot about the fixit environment, but I preferred to know this in advance :-) 		[08:47]
RandalSchwartzyeah yeah, I had the same problem
luckily, I was working in a vmware, and had made a snapshot before
so I rolled back, and thought about installing the *new* gptzfsboot *again* before the reboot
and that seemed to work
so I suspect I will have to do the same thing again
for the arp vps 		[08:49]
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Leftyhooray! my VPS arrived last night!
hooray for new toys 		[11:01]
RandalSchwartzyeay for toys
you putting 8.1 FBSD on it?
on ZFS boot? 		[11:08]
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up_the_ironsRandalSchwartz: i believe it is possible to have 2 CD-ROM drives, but I've never tried it [13:35]
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nestahi up_the_irons [16:19]
up_the_ironshi [16:19]
nesta:)
do you reckon I will be able to get the OpenBSD within the coming few hours?
or shall I hit the hay
hehe 		[16:19]
up_the_ironsnesta: you put in the ticket for the re-image? [16:23]
nestayes sir, sent you the UUID also [16:24]
up_the_ironsnesta: hit the hay, I'll be finishing that up tonight (PST) [16:25]
nestanp
thanks 		[16:26]
up_the_ironsnp [16:27]
RandalSchwartzPST?
do you mean PDT?
or are you waiting until october? :) 		[16:36]
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up_the_ironsLOL [17:01]
smokeysmokey waits for his vps... :P [17:01]
sbp_SMOKEY!!! [17:01]
smokeysbp lubs my cawk!
brb in a hr or so
gonna go feed sbp the cawk.... :X 		[17:01]
sbp_jesus
im gonna go in hiding now 		[17:02]
smokeydont
i locked your closet. 		[17:02]
rVn_-Thanks up_the_irons for the RDNS apresiat [17:05]
up_the_ironsrVn_-: no problem [17:05]
nestahehe
hi sbp_ 		[17:05]
rVn_-Happy actually look pretty stable =) [17:05]
sbp_heya nesta
how are you 		[17:06]
nestasuper :)
reading lots of OpenBSD stuff
if you have any good links throw em my way plz 		[17:06]
sbp_i dont use it anymore but estella had some really good kernel patch for it, ask her about it [17:09]
RandalSchwartzI used to run openbsd, switched to freebsd a half year ago, not looking back. :) [17:14]
nestamh
so what you are saying is I should cancel my OpenBSD?!?!?!?
:D
hehe
I was using FreeBSD for a good while there, sort of fancied a change
but I get lots of negative feedback about it
:s 		[17:15]
RandalSchwartzfor me, freebsd has all the right stuff
big ports, updated frequently
pf from openbsd (even if a bit dated)
boot from ZFS 		[17:17]
up_the_ironsby popular demand: http://wiki.arpnetworks.com
VERY ROUGH and STOCK right now 		[17:18]
RandalSchwartzwere we really that demanding? :) [17:18]
nestayay up_the_irons [17:18]
up_the_ironsyes
:)
it is awesome that I can use rST: http://wiki.arpnetworks.com/wiki/rstTest
[17:18]
RandalSchwartzRandalSchwartz wonders what rST is, having never heard of it
ahh. reStructuredText
never heard of it 		[17:27]
up_the_ironsit is the most sensible text-based markup
that is, it doesn't look like markup when you read the text 		[17:27]
RandalSchwartzTextile isn't bad
nor markdown 		[17:28]
up_the_ironsmarkdown is most similar to rst, but markdown is annoying. it borrowed some bits from rst, but if you already have rst, i don't see why have markdown except for NIH [17:28]
RandalSchwartzI bet markdown preceded rst
since I know about markdown and not rst 		[17:28]
up_the_ironsno, rst is old, markdown is new [17:29]
RandalSchwartzreally?
I'm looking at google searches to try to tell
markdown page says 2004
rst page says 2006
but they were both probably early blog years 		[17:35]
nestahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubWUvFY403M [17:40]
RandalSchwartzwhat is that youtube? [17:41]
smokeyaww my vps isnt up yet :x [17:41]
RandalSchwartzcan't see it here. worth bookmarking? [17:41]
nestayes RandalSchwartz if you have interest in aliens
its supposed recently leaked footage from Roswell 		[17:42]
RandalSchwartznon-americans?
oh. earth aliens
roswell is still looking at those? :) 		[17:42]
nesta'tis very strange video
smokey: usually takes about 24 hrs to process :) 		[17:42]
smokeyyeah but i was hoping they'd be in tonight :P [17:43]
nestaah yes, the common hope of this here chat room I do believe [17:43]
RandalSchwartz"if only my dreams were fulfilled... TONIGHT! ..." [17:47]
nestachat channel*
apologies IRC nazi's 		[17:48]
RandalSchwartzI accept "room"
calling Usenet newsgroups something else is a lot worse 		[17:48]
nestahehe [17:50]
RandalSchwartzor using SMS in IRC
SMS-talk
like "u"
or "4 me" 		[17:50]
nestaya [17:50]
RandalSchwartzif you're paying for IRC by the character, "sucks 2 B U" [17:51]
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up_the_ironsand now the wiki has a tab: http://arpnetworks.com/vps
now i better see some articles pop up since it was said on several occassions an "official" wiki was needed ;) 		[18:10]
nestahey you gota write all the articles too!
:P 		[18:12]
up_the_ironsnesta: i've written plenty, it is called the Knowledge Base ;) [18:12]
RandalSchwartzI'll write all the articles: "a" "an" "the"
there done. 		[18:13]
nestahehe [18:15]
up_the_ironsThere should be a good ZFS article
Since i've never done a ZFS install, I'm not qualified to write it ;) 		[18:16]
RandalSchwartzI've done many of them, now all in production
mostly according to http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/ 		[18:19]
up_the_ironspython people -- what is preferred: FastCGI, mod_python, or Twisted ?
this new wiki is just running with CGI now and Apache. thinking of going to FastCGI, or is mod_python the thing to do?
not sure if i want to run a twisted stack 		[18:26]
RandalSchwartzin the Perl world, PSGI is a universal glue
lets you plug any delivery mechanism with any framework
quite nice 		[18:32]
up_the_ironscool [18:33]
RandalSchwartzonly arriving in the past year or so
but everyone's aligning to it
CGI requires real stdin/stdout
this puts all that data into a hash passed to and from a well-known subroutine
so you can reuse it, and then also stream from it
so there's a PSGI interface for CGI, fastcgi, mod_perl, even mod_psgi
and a dozen standalone Perl frames that can listen on port 80
and the 15 biggest Perl delivery platforms, like Catalyst etc, all speak PSGI as well
there's even a psgi for nginx
... http://plackperl.org/
similar to python's WSGI 		[18:34]
ok time to change locations...
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up_the_ironsi went with fastcgi
pretty easy to set up, and the wiki is *much* faster 		[18:48]
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nestaurgh
up_the_irons: are ya here?
hehe :S 		[20:23]
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