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| nesta | up_the_irons: I replied :) | [07:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | is it possible to mount both the 8.0 and 8.1 fbsd distros when I try an upgrade in a few weeks? | [07:38] |
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| nesta | what ya mean RandalSchwartz ?
why not upgrade via src | [08:26] |
| mike-burns | When something breaks he wants to be able to fall back easily. | [08:32] |
| nesta | ah okay
mike-burns: do you admin for arp also? | [08:32] |
| mike-burns | Just for the IRC channel. | [08:33] |
| nesta | ah okay :) | [08:35] |
| RandalSchwartz | exactly.
if everything goes well, I can forget the 8.0 disk but the most critical part is that after freebsd-update for upgrade, I have to *add* a step to recopy the gptzfsboot over, which freebsd-update BREAKS I consider that a bug... replacing the stage 2 loader with something that isn't upward compatible, but I can't get anyone on ##freebsd to worry "you installed a non-standard boot loader, right?" "yeah" "well, then you should know to repeat that step" "[shrug]" it's also possible that I could just reinstall the 8.0 gptzfsboot, but I haven't tried that. | [08:36] |
| koan | that's really an annoying answer from them, ZFS is an outstanding feature, why don't they support it completely? | [08:42] |
| mike-burns | Not enough testing. | [08:44] |
| RandalSchwartz | given that sysinstall doesn't even support it in 8.1 yet, I'd say it's still too fringe to get mainline support
but freebsd-update shouldn't update any binaries that don't match the previous release though I'd call that a bug or at least it should warn me "I wanted checksum X for /foo/bar, but it has Y... replace anyway?" | [08:44] |
| koan | I'd expect at least a warning, yes
when I upgraded to 8.1 I only discovered about the problem after the reboot, I surely learnt a lot about the fixit environment, but I preferred to know this in advance :-) | [08:47] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah yeah, I had the same problem
luckily, I was working in a vmware, and had made a snapshot before so I rolled back, and thought about installing the *new* gptzfsboot *again* before the reboot and that seemed to work so I suspect I will have to do the same thing again for the arp vps | [08:49] |
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| Lefty | hooray! my VPS arrived last night!
hooray for new toys | [11:01] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeay for toys
you putting 8.1 FBSD on it? on ZFS boot? | [11:08] |
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| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: i believe it is possible to have 2 CD-ROM drives, but I've never tried it | [13:35] |
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| nesta | hi up_the_irons | [16:19] |
| up_the_irons | hi | [16:19] |
| nesta | :)
do you reckon I will be able to get the OpenBSD within the coming few hours? or shall I hit the hay hehe | [16:19] |
| up_the_irons | nesta: you put in the ticket for the re-image? | [16:23] |
| nesta | yes sir, sent you the UUID also | [16:24] |
| up_the_irons | nesta: hit the hay, I'll be finishing that up tonight (PST) | [16:25] |
| nesta | np
thanks | [16:26] |
| up_the_irons | np | [16:27] |
| RandalSchwartz | PST?
do you mean PDT? or are you waiting until october? :) | [16:36] |
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| up_the_irons | LOL | [17:01] |
| smokey | smokey waits for his vps... :P | [17:01] |
| sbp_ | SMOKEY!!! | [17:01] |
| smokey | sbp lubs my cawk!
brb in a hr or so gonna go feed sbp the cawk.... :X | [17:01] |
| sbp_ | jesus
im gonna go in hiding now | [17:02] |
| smokey | dont
i locked your closet. | [17:02] |
| rVn_- | Thanks up_the_irons for the RDNS apresiat | [17:05] |
| up_the_irons | rVn_-: no problem | [17:05] |
| nesta | hehe
hi sbp_ | [17:05] |
| rVn_- | Happy actually look pretty stable =) | [17:05] |
| sbp_ | heya nesta
how are you | [17:06] |
| nesta | super :)
reading lots of OpenBSD stuff if you have any good links throw em my way plz | [17:06] |
| sbp_ | i dont use it anymore but estella had some really good kernel patch for it, ask her about it | [17:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | I used to run openbsd, switched to freebsd a half year ago, not looking back. :) | [17:14] |
| nesta | mh
so what you are saying is I should cancel my OpenBSD?!?!?!? :D hehe I was using FreeBSD for a good while there, sort of fancied a change but I get lots of negative feedback about it :s | [17:15] |
| RandalSchwartz | for me, freebsd has all the right stuff
big ports, updated frequently pf from openbsd (even if a bit dated) boot from ZFS | [17:17] |
| up_the_irons | by popular demand: http://wiki.arpnetworks.com
VERY ROUGH and STOCK right now | [17:18] |
| RandalSchwartz | were we really that demanding? :) | [17:18] |
| nesta | yay up_the_irons | [17:18] |
| up_the_irons | yes
:) it is awesome that I can use rST: http://wiki.arpnetworks.com/wiki/rstTest | [17:18] |
| RandalSchwartz | RandalSchwartz wonders what rST is, having never heard of it
ahh. reStructuredText never heard of it | [17:27] |
| up_the_irons | it is the most sensible text-based markup
that is, it doesn't look like markup when you read the text | [17:27] |
| RandalSchwartz | Textile isn't bad
nor markdown | [17:28] |
| up_the_irons | markdown is most similar to rst, but markdown is annoying. it borrowed some bits from rst, but if you already have rst, i don't see why have markdown except for NIH | [17:28] |
| RandalSchwartz | I bet markdown preceded rst
since I know about markdown and not rst | [17:28] |
| up_the_irons | no, rst is old, markdown is new | [17:29] |
| RandalSchwartz | really?
I'm looking at google searches to try to tell markdown page says 2004 rst page says 2006 but they were both probably early blog years | [17:35] |
| nesta | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubWUvFY403M | [17:40] |
| RandalSchwartz | what is that youtube? | [17:41] |
| smokey | aww my vps isnt up yet :x | [17:41] |
| RandalSchwartz | can't see it here. worth bookmarking? | [17:41] |
| nesta | yes RandalSchwartz if you have interest in aliens
its supposed recently leaked footage from Roswell | [17:42] |
| RandalSchwartz | non-americans?
oh. earth aliens roswell is still looking at those? :) | [17:42] |
| nesta | 'tis very strange video
smokey: usually takes about 24 hrs to process :) | [17:42] |
| smokey | yeah but i was hoping they'd be in tonight :P | [17:43] |
| nesta | ah yes, the common hope of this here chat room I do believe | [17:43] |
| RandalSchwartz | "if only my dreams were fulfilled... TONIGHT! ..." | [17:47] |
| nesta | chat channel*
apologies IRC nazi's | [17:48] |
| RandalSchwartz | I accept "room"
calling Usenet newsgroups something else is a lot worse | [17:48] |
| nesta | hehe | [17:50] |
| RandalSchwartz | or using SMS in IRC
SMS-talk like "u" or "4 me" | [17:50] |
| nesta | ya | [17:50] |
| RandalSchwartz | if you're paying for IRC by the character, "sucks 2 B U" | [17:51] |
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| up_the_irons | and now the wiki has a tab: http://arpnetworks.com/vps
now i better see some articles pop up since it was said on several occassions an "official" wiki was needed ;) | [18:10] |
| nesta | hey you gota write all the articles too!
:P | [18:12] |
| up_the_irons | nesta: i've written plenty, it is called the Knowledge Base ;) | [18:12] |
| RandalSchwartz | I'll write all the articles: "a" "an" "the"
there done. | [18:13] |
| nesta | hehe | [18:15] |
| up_the_irons | There should be a good ZFS article
Since i've never done a ZFS install, I'm not qualified to write it ;) | [18:16] |
| RandalSchwartz | I've done many of them, now all in production
mostly according to http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/ | [18:19] |
| up_the_irons | python people -- what is preferred: FastCGI, mod_python, or Twisted ?
this new wiki is just running with CGI now and Apache. thinking of going to FastCGI, or is mod_python the thing to do? not sure if i want to run a twisted stack | [18:26] |
| RandalSchwartz | in the Perl world, PSGI is a universal glue
lets you plug any delivery mechanism with any framework quite nice | [18:32] |
| up_the_irons | cool | [18:33] |
| RandalSchwartz | only arriving in the past year or so
but everyone's aligning to it CGI requires real stdin/stdout this puts all that data into a hash passed to and from a well-known subroutine so you can reuse it, and then also stream from it so there's a PSGI interface for CGI, fastcgi, mod_perl, even mod_psgi and a dozen standalone Perl frames that can listen on port 80 and the 15 biggest Perl delivery platforms, like Catalyst etc, all speak PSGI as well there's even a psgi for nginx ... http://plackperl.org/ similar to python's WSGI | [18:34] |
| ok time to change locations...
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| up_the_irons | i went with fastcgi
pretty easy to set up, and the wiki is *much* faster | [18:48] |
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| nesta | urgh
up_the_irons: are ya here? hehe :S | [20:23] |
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