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| cedwards | looks like we're going to move to tinydns here at work. not sure how I feel about that. | [11:39] |
| schmir | we're also using it for years without problems. | [11:43] |
| cedwards | I'm interested in learning it, but I've only had experience with BIND so there's a feeling of.. the unknown. | [11:45] |
| up_the_irons | tinydns works, but is annoying to administer (try to make an SRV record, or TXT record, or any record that doesn't already have a symbol associated with it (+, =, etc...)) | [11:58] |
| schmir | never needed that (I even don't know what it is) | [11:59] |
| cedwards | up_the_irons: my co-worker, a long-time tiny fan, says that those are supported. | [12:00] |
| up_the_irons | cedwards: yes, they are supported, but so complicated to insert, you need a generator; or you're a wiz at hex, octal, and escape sequences | [12:01] |
| bob^^ | ugh, tinydns
i 'evaluated' it a few years ago and came to the same conclusion as up_the_irons and ended up sticking with bind | [12:03] |
| fink_ | tinydns is great
i use it all over there's a website to autogenerate those records if you need them | [12:15] |
| up_the_irons | the need to auto-generate in the first place is dumb
that's djb damage ;) | [12:16] |
| toddf | lets face it, in todays world of massive automation and dumbing computers down to a web interface, 99% of users are gonna be inputting into a html form anyway, so why bother making the files that are written human readable at all? </sarcasm> | [12:18] |
| cedwards | one of the arguments here is that tiny does forward/reverse in one line, whereas BIND needs forward and reverse zone files.
why can't BIND read/define forward and reverse from a single file? | [12:19] |
| toddf | single file is ok, one line sounds intriguing
bind has one file per zone forward lookups (host.example.com) is in the `example.com' zone file, reverse lookups are in another aka the `3.2.1.in-addr.arpa' zone file one can `CNAME' records in the reverse lookup zone files to be in the example.com zone file, like this: 3.2.1.in-addr.arpa: .... | [12:20] |
| bob^^ | indeed | [12:21] |
| toddf | 4 IN CNAME 4.3.2.1.arpa.example.com.
example.com: .... | [12:21] |
| cedwards | I'm intrigued with tiny now, but we'll see what happens. | [12:21] |
| bob^^ | BIND makes sense when you learn about DNS
(or read DNS and BIND, gods own book) | [12:22] |
| toddf | 4.3.2.1.arpa IN PTR host | [12:22] |
| fink_ | bob^^: that's how i felt about tinydns | [12:22] |
| toddf | host IN A 1.2.3.4 | [12:22] |
| bob^^ | it's the having to generate records that I don't like | [12:22] |
| cedwards | I was going to set it up (tiny) in one of my jails, but I've somehow managed to screw up my ports tree so I have to attend to that first. | [12:22] |
| bob^^ | i can hack BIND zones with vi and know it's going to work right 100% of the time
without needing to rely on someone's site to generate it for me | [12:22] |
| up_the_irons | forward and reverse in one file makes sense until you have 200 hostnames pointing to the same IP (virtual hosts), now which domain gets the reverse? you'll still have to set it manually, so you gain little there | [12:23] |
| bob^^ | with something as critical as DNS i like to know it's going to work just right
and indeed, it makes little sense when the forward/reverse don't match - in that case BIND is great the biggest problem I have with bind is having to reverse things as /24's which is a nightmare when you need to reverse something large, like a /18 | [12:23] |
| up_the_irons | bob^^: amen | [12:24] |
| bob^^ | i've read you can actually generate reverse zones using slash notation now
but i've not been brave enough to try it :) | [12:24] |
| cedwards | this whole issue came up this last weekend when I migrated BIND to a new machine. Using identical configs and addresses I'm now having issues doing zone transfers. | [12:24] |
| bob^^ | don't some of the newer ones lock everything down (unlike the old ones) | [12:25] |
| cedwards | if I can simply fix it, the discussion may go away. | [12:25] |
| bob^^ | ah that was the last issue i had - having to add an allow-query statement to the config | [12:25] |
| up_the_irons | cedwards: a better BIND is "nsd". give it a look. tiny isn't the only alterntive | [12:25] |
| bob^^ | indeed | [12:26] |
| cedwards | bob^^: I've quadruple-checked the allow-transfer, transfer-source, allow-query, match-clients.. everything looks just fine. | [12:26] |
| bob^^ | i keep being pointed to powerdns
not actually tried it yet | [12:27] |
| fink_ | we need a cherokee for dns
something that breaks free of the archaic, inherited crazy config syntax | [12:27] |
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| up_the_irons | cedwards: i had the same problem recently; turned out a zone file had an error in it so it would not transfer (that zone). turn on logging, see what it says :) | [12:28] |
| cedwards | up_the_irons: the strange thing is the same zone transfers fine to another host.
we have four servers (master, three slaves) and three views. one view on one slave won't transfer, but all the other hosts are working fine. it's really puzzling. | [12:36] |
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| toddf | cedwards: all depends on your point of view! | [13:02] |
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| up_the_irons | lol | [13:53] |
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| `nh | is there still a week delay on vps setup? | [14:21] |
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| jdoe | ugh
I need to find a better window manager for ubuntu | [15:39] |
| up_the_irons | `nh: we're ahead of schedule. will most likely be ready before the weekend | [15:51] |
| jdoe | kwin spoiled me :/ | [15:53] |
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| cedwards | jdoe: dwm | [18:23] |
| cmeiklejohn | jdoe: xmonad | [18:27] |
| jdoe | xmonad might be okay (with the rest of gnome still intact) ... I don't need lightweight and I'm not anxious to learn a ton of key bindings.
honestly I just want the window manager to remember what desktop to open windows on :P ie with kwin I could say "open the main mail client window maximized on desktop 4. Any child windows also go to desktop 4, but not maximized" metacity doesn't appear to care, nor does it look like there's a way to make it care. | [18:31] |
| cmeiklejohn | jdoe: awesome? | [18:37] |
| up_the_irons | xmonad
xmonad with gnome session in the background rocks | [18:38] |
| cmeiklejohn | hahah, i just said that.
yes it does | [18:38] |
| up_the_irons | :) | [18:38] |
| jdoe | cmeiklejohn: awesome?
up_the_irons: yeah, I've tried it, but key bindings etc. I also tend to abuse virtual desktops, ie a mail desktop, a jabber desktop, a terminal desktop, a browser desktop (and that's it) ... and each has whatever app, maximized (for the most part. im isn't) | [18:42] |
| cmeiklejohn | there really arent that many keybindings
jdoe: http://awesome.naquadah.org/ it's like xmonad in lia err, lua haha | [18:43] |
| jdoe | cmeiklejohn: oh that
cmeiklejohn: yeah it was a toss-up between the two when I was looking before, the ion dev is a moron. | [18:46] |
| up_the_irons | jdoe: that's like my setup; lots of virtual desktops with everything maximized. that's xmonad default | [18:50] |
| jdoe | hmm
maybe I'll give it another shot. iirc it's fine with apps on all desktops... might be nice to have that for amarok, tired of having it come up on the wrong desktop and me having to switch. metacity sucks :/ | [18:53] |
| up_the_irons | yep | [18:56] |
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| jdoe | jabber too, while I'm bitching. Or rather the weird mismash of how much is supported between the various clients, servers etc. | [18:58] |
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| awyeah | damn
power went out at my apt server got shut down automatically before UPS died but now it won't power back on :( | [21:21] |
| jdoe | ... is the ups charged up enough?
you can set apcupsd/nut to halt the boot until the ups has a given charge... although granted you'd see it boot partway up and stall... | [21:33] |
| awyeah | no everything else on the UPS is on. Also, I Tried a different outlet.
:( Probably the cheap-ass PSU I put in the box. Or maybe the cheap-ass motherboard. | [21:39] |
| jdoe | could be psu... my understanding is that cheap upses don't put the battery directly in line, they cut over when they see the power get wonky... it's not impossible to kill things behind them.
... or rather, the power conditioning is limited. | [21:42] |
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