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| nuke` | is there any issue with vps's atm?
cant seem to logon in ssh or vnc and its pinging out for the last day, all my bots/bnc | [11:39] |
| jdoe | it appears to just be you. | [11:50] |
| RandalSchwartz | which vnc? the console vnc, or your internal vnc? | [11:52] |
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| cedwards | yeah. mine are still workin' fine. | [12:32] |
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| nuke` | console one | [14:08] |
| coil_ | is there any way to tell which host machine you're on?
my vps locked up yesterday so i wonder if our problems are related, nuke | [14:11] |
| RandalSchwartz | maybe by a traceroute
first hop up is the host OS | [14:13] |
| coil_ | hmm, i'm in single user mode right now so i can't find out just yet
im buildworld'ing right now | [14:13] |
| nuke` | i can ping it
Average time over 10 pings: 51.6 ms its where nukeAFK is but is always ping out | [14:16] |
| RandalSchwartz | actually - yeah, the console IP is probably related to the machine it's on | [14:21] |
| coil_ | i use 208.79.88.69
to vnc in * Dns resolved 208.79.88.69 to kvr04.arpnetworks.com hmmm | [14:22] |
| nuke` | mine is kvr02 | [14:22] |
| coil_ | ahh ok | [14:22] |
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| coil_ | well ill shoot an email off to support | [14:23] |
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| dxtr | Crap. I need a new hdd :( | [14:28] |
| nuke` | i did it a couple of hours ago | [14:28] |
| dxtr | Hmm
Can't one get an entire directory with sftp? | [14:40] |
| coil_ | -r ? | [14:41] |
| RandalSchwartz | rsync :)
frankly, I stopped using sftp long ago and even before that, I never realized cp had -r because I had grown used to using rsync for all that much more versatile *and* restartable | [14:43] |
| DaCa | it got alot better in recent openssh, including finally filename-completion
but indeed, rsync is the best | [14:44] |
| dxtr | Might start using that more | [14:45] |
| RandalSchwartz | rsync -avxP host:/path/to/there/ /path/to/here/ | [14:47] |
| dxtr | Holy crap! -P is just plain awesome
I love you, RandalSchwartz I'll start using rsync to copy files between disks :P Is it available on vanilla Mac OS X (Leopard)? | [14:51] |
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| RandalSchwartz | yea
and on OSX add -A to copy resource fokrs I think it's -A oops -X | [15:11] |
| dxtr | :P | [15:12] |
| RandalSchwartz | so with -X you can accurately clone all mac files
including resource forks | [15:12] |
| dxtr | Just asked because my girlfriend got a mac and we transfer much data to each other | [15:12] |
| RandalSchwartz | I regularly clone folders of uh, mixed origin using that | [15:13] |
| dxtr | Hmm.. btw, in emacs
How do I unset a mark? | [15:14] |
| RandalSchwartz | There's probably a better way, but I just hit ^G
that seems to clear it | [15:16] |
| dxtr | Awesome
It even worked in firemacs :D Oh yeah C-g - resets the mark | [15:16] |
| RandalSchwartz | I think I just learnedearly on that ^G means "abort!"
ahh, so it's literally the right thing :) | [15:17] |
| dxtr | Isn't ESC-ESC-ESC "Abort!"
? At least that's what I've read on the internet | [15:18] |
| RandalSchwartz | no - that's to cut out of the minibuffer
^G will abort running loops speaking of which... time to upgrade emacs to 23.2 soon as it's built, I gotta leave for a few minutes. :) by the way, if you haven't played around with Tramp and Eshell in emacs, you're missing out ^x ^f /otherhost:/path/to/file RET | [15:20] |
| dxtr | Who are you calling a tramp? :) | [15:25] |
| RandalSchwartz | ok - back in a few minutes I hope | [15:27] |
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| RandalSchwartz | in theory, now on 23.2
mailcrypt is broken though I need to figure out why Hmm. upgrading emacs must've uninstalled it :) I'm not using it anyway so are new registrations still frozen? I heard that from some other list today ahh. says so on th epage | [15:31] |
| dxtr | hehe | [15:34] |
| RandalSchwartz | the original batgirl turned 73 today
she was also the green-skinned orion girl on the insane-asylum planet on star trek | [15:36] |
| dxtr | o
Does it seem like a good idea to keep all my important backups on an encrypted sd card? | [15:46] |
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| stze | any admins around? | [15:49] |
| up_the_irons | stze: i am | [15:50] |
| RandalSchwartz | for some meaning of "round" :) | [15:50] |
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| spits | ne admins | [15:50] |
| nestea | hi spits ;x | [15:52] |
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| up_the_irons | spits: i'm an admin | [15:52] |
| spits | sup nesta
is this who you got your box with? | [15:52] |
| nestea | yup | [15:52] |
| spits | i guess they are sold out
:( | [15:53] |
| nestea | highly recommended :) | [15:53] |
| spits | well
dont say that cuz we cant ge tone | [15:53] |
| nestea | ya think so atm, should be in soon | [15:53] |
| spits | me and ste were gonna get one | [15:53] |
| nestea | just wait :)
cool | [15:53] |
| dxtr | Crap. Sometimes I kind of dislike that my english sucks. "... my girlfriend (which by the way...." sounded awesome in my head... Until someone commented it and said that my girlfriend is definitely a "who". A big "meh", face palm and some embarassment for that :P | [15:53] |
| nestea | its worth it | [15:53] |
| spits | dude | [15:54] |
| up_the_irons | spits: i'd encourage you to email preorder@arpnetworks.com | [15:54] |
| spits | lol | [15:54] |
| up_the_irons | to get on the priority list | [15:54] |
| spits | how long is a few weeks tho? | [15:54] |
| nestea | ^^ | [15:54] |
| spits | like
3-4 or 1-2 lol | [15:54] |
| dxtr | I heard "June" from up_the_irons | [15:54] |
| nestea | email garry/up_the_irons
:) its the best deal in town tbh so wait! | [15:54] |
| spits | lol
k | [15:55] |
| RandalSchwartz | staple a $50 to your email | [15:55] |
| nestea | why you think they sold out fool!
heheh yeh do what RandalSchwartz says | [15:55] |
| up_the_irons | spits: middle of june, however slots periodically open up, so it is good to get on the priority list | [15:55] |
| nestea | up_the_irons: he is my buddy ;x | [15:55] |
| spits | ok | [15:55] |
| nestea | hehe | [15:55] |
| RandalSchwartz | it's good to be a victim of your own success | [15:55] |
| up_the_irons | nestea: i figured :) | [15:56] |
| nestea | spits: preorder@arpnetworks.com | [15:56] |
| RandalSchwartz | this is a guarantee that ARP will be around next month :) | [15:56] |
| up_the_irons | haaha | [15:56] |
| nestea | yeah these guys are out for the gusto! | [15:56] |
| RandalSchwartz | if up_the_irons could configure a box for you in 15 minutes, I'd worry
backlog is good | [15:56] |
| dxtr | up_the_irons: Not going into detail if it's too sensitive - but you must make a fortune out of this. You're cheap but people are like vultures for your services :P | [15:57] |
| RandalSchwartz | are you having to get racks in a new building yet?
or are they all still in the same walking area? the building depicted at the beginning of SouthLAnd :) | [15:57] |
| up_the_irons | dxtr: LOL. this business is hardly a get rich type of thing ;) my hardware costs are insane
RandalSchwartz: all in the same walking area | [15:58] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah - he buys stuff for us at $50k a pop, then gets $500 a month for ... 100 months. :) | [15:59] |
| dxtr | up_the_irons: I hope for heavens sake that you make a decent living out of it | [16:00] |
| RandalSchwartz | I suspect he's not flying a private jet, but I bet he's not eating ramen | [16:00] |
| dxtr | I don't have the silghtest clue to how many customers he's got so I'm kind of guessing | [16:01] |
| RandalSchwartz | at least 3. :) | [16:01] |
| AndrewBC | hahah | [16:01] |
| up_the_irons | LOL | [16:01] |
| AndrewBC | if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say 4 times however many usually are in this channel as a bare minimum
We'll see how ridiculous that is | [16:02] |
| RandalSchwartz | I'm guessing actually only about 1/10 of the customers might be regulars here
IRC isn't a usual thing | [16:03] |
| up_the_irons | dxtr: I don't make a living at all out of it, i have a day job ;) was discussed a while back: http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log/arpnetworks?date=2009-08-12,Wed&sel=53#l49 | [16:03] |
| AndrewBC | Hm, that's true | [16:03] |
| dxtr | But I've never seen a place like this where people are actually like vultures (That's not necessarily a bad thing!) and the admins have to set up a pre-order list
Aaah! I've actually thought that (No.. I don't think about this on the way to and from school..) | [16:03] |
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| up_the_irons | IRC growth is like reverse logarithmic. grew a lot at first, but as a channel gets "fat", people tend to not care to stay around. it's like when communities get too big, they cease to have the "small community" feel | [16:05] |
| dxtr | Yeah, like Randal just left | [16:05] |
| up_the_irons | dxtr: http://www.prgmr.com/xen/ has a pre-order list
they are always sold out | [16:06] |
| dxtr | I said *I'VE* never seen :) | [16:06] |
| up_the_irons | dxtr: just sayin :) | [16:06] |
| dxtr | Hehe. but seriously, the cheapest vps' here costs the same for half the performance
And then they are run on openvz or some crap | [16:06] |
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| RandalSchwartz | ugh... my new emacs isn't hitting my IMAP correctly | [16:07] |
| dxtr | Like my last provider; I couldn't set the clock (So ntp was out of the question), no ip6tables (But they had native ipv6 connectivity) and if I wanted to run any BSD I'd have to pay like $50 each month because they ran it on vmware
"License stuff" I raged so I popped a vein on my forehead | [16:08] |
| up_the_irons | LOL | [16:09] |
| AndrewBC | up_the_irons, funny you linked that. I fired off an email to them so they would let me know when they have openings. That must have been over 6 months ago. I haven't gotten any replies after the initial conversation. | [16:09] |
| up_the_irons | and that's why you're here | [16:09] |
| dxtr | Yeah | [16:09] |
| up_the_irons | AndrewBC: o'rly? interesting | [16:09] |
| AndrewBC | Yeah, I don't know if I fell through the cracks or what, but oh well. | [16:10] |
| up_the_irons | AndrewBC: i had a sneaking suspicion that they are simply sitting on what they got, instead of getting more hardware | [16:10] |
| RandalSchwartz | up_the_irons - do you know Alex Teslik | [16:10] |
| AndrewBC | Oh that makes sense, when your profit margin is really slim, getting more hardware can be pretty scary. | [16:10] |
| up_the_irons | AndrewBC: their prices are even lower than mine, i actually don't see how they could even afford hardware; it must take a while for them to make up their cost
RandalSchwartz: no | [16:11] |
| dxtr | up_the_irons: Do you think there's a possibility an earth quake (Or something) will move LA to the east coast so I will get better ping times to the VPS?
because that's the only thing I.. Dislike is the wrong word. Like less :P | [16:11] |
| RandalSchwartz | he's one of the leads of disney animation
local guy disney tv mostly | [16:11] |
| AndrewBC | up_the_irons, yeah they're insanely cheap. Makes me wonder what would happen if disaster struck them, you know? | [16:11] |
| up_the_irons | dxtr: i hope my building is pretty earthquake resistant ;) | [16:11] |
| RandalSchwartz | then again, working for disney here means you're one of 50,000
people used to do that to me working at Tektronix in Portland | [16:11] |
| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: i work for a small subsidiary of Disney, so I don't end up meeting a lot of the people that work direct w/ Disney | [16:12] |
| RandalSchwartz | "oh you work for Tek... you must know..." | [16:12] |
| dxtr | up_the_irons: I'm not saying anything should be destroyed. Just shaken to the east coast. Preferrably scandinavia but that's stretching it | [16:12] |
| up_the_irons | yeah srsly, disney is HUGE
dxtr: haha | [16:12] |
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| RandalSchwartz | ... The Disneyland Resort supports 65700 jobs in southern California
and that's just the resort :) Oh - edgar sec filing says 150k in socal there we go | [16:13] |
| dxtr | I kind of face palmed when I read LA in the beginning. I was like "Fuck yeah! The right side of the US too!", check map, ".... Oh well" | [16:14] |
| RandalSchwartz | it's like .ca vs .ca.us :)
quite a bit of difference | [16:15] |
| dxtr | RandalSchwartz: Do you know on wich coast Göteborg is? :P
Don't google it | [16:15] |
| up_the_irons | dxtr: lol | [16:16] |
| dxtr | (Gothenburg in english btw) | [16:16] |
| RandalSchwartz | it's on the Göte coast! | [16:16] |
| dxtr | Wat? :D | [16:17] |
| RandalSchwartz | You know, next to the... Börg coast! | [16:17] |
| up_the_irons | lol | [16:17] |
| RandalSchwartz | in fact, I think it forms the border | [16:18] |
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| RandalSchwartz | "formerly a town in the DMZ between Göte and Børg, this little peacful village is now a thriving metropolis!"
RandalSchwartz edits the wikipedia entry as we speak | [16:18] |
| dxtr | Haha | [16:19] |
| RandalSchwartz | "inhabited entirely by people who have no normal vowels in their name, headed by Svén and Ølly Jürgens as co-commissioners..." | [16:20] |
| dxtr | Jürgen sounds german
:( | [16:22] |
| RandalSchwartz | it's all the same! | [16:22] |
| dxtr | Haha | [16:22] |
| infrared | heh | [16:22] |
| RandalSchwartz | you think Svén is a swedish name? | [16:22] |
| dxtr | Sven, but still
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sven | [16:23] |
| RandalSchwartz | Sure. but with the little spanish accent? | [16:23] |
| dxtr | Haha | [16:23] |
| RandalSchwartz | "my name, although one syllable, will be pronounced with more stress than the rest of the sentence" | [16:23] |
| dxtr | I remember when I used to play games and talked a lot with americans that had a hard time grasping å, ä and ö :D
"How is that even pronounced!? a-with-two-dots!?" | [16:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | well - every language has 40 phonemes, so I'm sure there's a few that we have that you have trouble with
we just use the language of God... ASCII | [16:24] |
| dxtr | Hehe | [16:25] |
| RandalSchwartz | if it was good enough for God in the King James Bible, it's good enough for us. | [16:25] |
| dxtr | Cyrillic Å“
o Speaking of wich; have you never heard a swede speak english? It sounds horrible And I admit it - I sound horrible too | [16:25] |
| RandalSchwartz | if it's a girl, it doesn't matter. :) | [16:26] |
| dxtr | you'd hit it anyway? | [16:26] |
| RandalSchwartz | swedish girls, yup
as long as they were 18-22 :) after that, not so good | [16:26] |
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| dxtr | Let me show you something
http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/lovis01.jpg <- She's more swedish than me :D | [16:26] |
| RandalSchwartz | not following a link with tübgîrl in it :) | [16:27] |
| AndrewBC | she's actually pretty cute
not that you should trust me | [16:27] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah
I'd go there | [16:27] |
| dxtr | My point was: Not so stereotypical :D
I think it's kind of funny | [16:27] |
| infrared | i'd hit it
infrared hides | [16:27] |
| fink | fink would hit it twice | [16:28] |
| RandalSchwartz | I'd try to hit it, and fail as I often do | [16:28] |
| dxtr | infrared: I hit it yesterday! | [16:28] |
| RandalSchwartz | since I'm a stupid idiot geek with no skills | [16:28] |
| dxtr | High give! o | [16:28] |
| infrared | infrared hi-fives dxtr
o/ | [16:28] |
| dxtr | High give.. ffs | [16:28] |
| RandalSchwartz | what is "high give"? | [16:28] |
| infrared | yeah.. mega fail | [16:28] |
| fink | dxtr: prove it | [16:28] |
| infrared | dxtr: yeah.. "pics".. or it didn't happen | [16:28] |
| dxtr | RandalSchwartz: Slang for hi-five | [16:28] |
| RandalSchwartz | not here | [16:29] |
| dxtr | Apparently | [16:29] |
| RandalSchwartz | you crazy foreigner | [16:29] |
| dxtr | :D
infrared: I can show you a picture of one of our kittens | [16:29] |
| infrared | aww | [16:29] |
| fink | heh "kitten" | [16:29] |
| dxtr | Or http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/streetview.gif | [16:29] |
| RandalSchwartz | I can show you a bunch of pictures of women I met on a cruise ship last week, and didn't hit. :) | [16:30] |
| infrared | wtf
is that you in scuba gear? | [16:30] |
| RandalSchwartz | s/on a cruise ship last week/in the past ten years/ :) | [16:30] |
| dxtr | haha, no. But it's in Sweden :P | [16:30] |
| infrared | point noted
:) | [16:30] |
| RandalSchwartz | people playing with teh streetview camera | [16:30] |
| dxtr | http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/lovisdxtr02.jpg <- Is that some kind of proof? | [16:31] |
| RandalSchwartz | not as good as that entire parade they worked out | [16:31] |
| dxtr | :P | [16:31] |
| infrared | street view camera? | [16:31] |
| dxtr | infrared: Google street view | [16:31] |
| RandalSchwartz | heh - http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/vampire.png | [16:31] |
| infrared | dxtr: wha? i thought their street view was a camera duck taped to a car that drove around
duct* | [16:31] |
| dxtr | infrared: Yeah? Maybe it is?
We do have cars in Sweden you know | [16:31] |
| infrared | i mean Google's street view | [16:32] |
| RandalSchwartz | there - this is how most swedes are - http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/dxtr04.jpg | [16:32] |
| fink | well, i can see why she likes you | [16:32] |
| dxtr | :D
RandalSchwartz: Haha | [16:32] |
| infrared | http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/bianca09.jpg <-- all virgins | [16:33] |
| dxtr | infrared: How did you know? It's my class :D | [16:33] |
| infrared | lucky guess :) | [16:34] |
| RandalSchwartz | there we go - http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/lovisdxtr02.jpg | [16:34] |
| dxtr | RandalSchwartz: I showed it already
1http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/Bild0009.jpg <- This was outside my apartment this winter btw It was horrible | [16:34] |
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| dxtr | http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/dxtrmat01.jpg <- this is pasta, cheese and sausage that my friend and I cooked | [16:35] |
| infrared | http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/dxtr09.jpg <-- are you wearing your girlfiend's shirt? | [16:35] |
| dxtr | It tasted as horrible as it looks
infrared: Yeah She made me :( | [16:35] |
| RandalSchwartz | RandalSchwartz cues the "crackwhip" sound | [16:36] |
| dxtr | Haha. At least I get to hit it ;) | [16:36] |
| RandalSchwartz | a small consolation :) | [16:36] |
| dxtr | RandalSchwartz: http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/bajs01.jpg for you | [16:37] |
| infrared | are you in high school? | [16:37] |
| dxtr | yeah
For another mont month* Why? | [16:37] |
| infrared | the prom dress | [16:37] |
| dxtr | Ahha | [16:38] |
| infrared | Ooh.. #perl
:) | [16:38] |
| dxtr | Yeah, I'm still learning
http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/truck01.jpg <- I drove that forklift truck when I took my license :D | [16:38] |
| infrared | lol those twilight pics are hilarious
my fiance loves those stupid movies | [16:40] |
| dxtr | My girlfriend does too. That's why I'm saving them | [16:40] |
| infrared | sweden has weird cats | [16:41] |
| dxtr | Haha, why? | [16:41] |
| infrared | funny looking | [16:41] |
| dxtr | It's an american breed
So right back at you ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maine_Coon | [16:41] |
| infrared | http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/pub/index.pl.txt <-- wtf | [16:41] |
| dxtr | It's a script I made for the lols (and for the education!) that lists the files in the directory :) | [16:43] |
| infrared | i can see that :)
and i lol'd | [16:43] |
| dxtr | Overkill, but it was fun
and educational! | [16:43] |
| up_the_irons | up_the_irons wonders off | [16:43] |
| dxtr | Please don't be too harsh, infrared. It was the first I did in perl a couple of weeks ago :D
I was out of ideas | [16:44] |
| RandalSchwartz | Perl?
RandalSchwartz perks up his ears egah new CGI::Fast ugh ugh h1/h4 you have no sense of levels :) h1 should be over h2 not h4 | [16:45] |
| dxtr | Actually when I hacked it together it was more "This is the correct size.. I'll fix it later"
But I never fixed it | [16:47] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah - don't pick header level by size
that's... wrong | [16:47] |
| dxtr | Hehe
I know. But it wasn't supposed to be seen by anyone else but me. But then I never fixed it and people started browsing my public dir ;) But hold on for a second now aaah Now I see it print h1($title),h2(),h3(),h4(time_strftime(....)); <- Quick fix :D | [16:47] |
| RandalSchwartz | no no
wrong no and wrong | [16:50] |
| dxtr | I was kind of joking
You know... a joke? :) | [16:50] |
| RandalSchwartz | doesn't translate
jøke? :) | [16:51] |
| dxtr | Yeah, kind of
But don't bash the html. I hate it and would rather have nothing to do with it Bash the perl instead :) | [16:51] |
| RandalSchwartz | I already did
"new CGI::Fast" wrong wrong wrong | [16:52] |
| dxtr | It is? | [16:52] |
| RandalSchwartz | yup
you should write "CGI::Fast->new" indirect object notation is harmful | [16:52] |
| dxtr | http://www.perl.com/doc/manual/html/lib/CGI/Fast.html | [16:53] |
| RandalSchwartz | then the manual is wrong
you should read perl docs instead | [16:53] |
| dxtr | Just sayin' :) | [16:53] |
| RandalSchwartz | indirect object notation was cute for about two years
and CGI::Fast isn't core so don't blame the core blame the third party | [16:53] |
| dxtr | I'm not blaming anything here | [16:54] |
| RandalSchwartz | sure you are
"It is?" instead of just "ok, lemme fix it" so you're looking to place blame | [16:54] |
| dxtr | At first I was fishing for an explanation | [16:55] |
| RandalSchwartz | swedish fishing! | [16:55] |
| dxtr | And then I just said "I just read it here. Please don't hurt me", kind of :P | [16:55] |
| RandalSchwartz | yes - all elements of assigning blame | [16:56] |
| dxtr | At least I didn't actively (conciously) try to blame anyone! | [16:56] |
| jdoe | jdoe blames up_the_irons | [16:57] |
| RandalSchwartz | RandalSchwartz blames dxtr's parents | [16:58] |
| dxtr | RandalSchwartz: Fixed it now o/ | [16:58] |
| jdoe | jdoe blames perl | [16:58] |
| RandalSchwartz | No no. Perl is sacred
Perl is good Perl can only be abused by humans but in its pure form, it is holy | [16:58] |
| jdoe | RandalSchwartz: when you give people 3 billion ways to write something, I don't think you get to complain when most are wrong ;)
haha. Concur. | [16:58] |
| RandalSchwartz | and it's a good thing Perl doesn't give people 3 billion ways | [16:59] |
| AndrewBC | that sounds more like the ruby mantra | [16:59] |
| RandalSchwartz | Larry has been quoted as saying "sure, a few ways to do something, but 10? that's crazy"
when someone suggested a few more variations for something so yes, Larry is sane and even so, Larry is sure that each way to do something is *optimized* for some aspect of it not jsut pure syntax fluff | [16:59] |
| jdoe | in a brief moment of seriousness, I have nothing against perl. I love perl. I hate CPAN, but I love perl. | [17:00] |
| dxtr | RandalSchwartz: Check it now! | [17:00] |
| RandalSchwartz | hate CPAN?
it's the saving throw of Perl! nobody else has that | [17:00] |
| AndrewBC | if I were born sooner, I probably would know and like Perl. | [17:01] |
| RandalSchwartz | you mean earlier in the morning? | [17:01] |
| dxtr | I actually like cpan | [17:01] |
| AndrewBC | No, I mean sooner than I was born :P | [17:01] |
| dxtr | Are we talking hours, AndrewBC? | [17:01] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah, minutes, hours or days? | [17:02] |
| AndrewBC | Well, I think I'm as specific as I can be given that this is hypothetical :D | [17:02] |
| RandalSchwartz | decades? | [17:02] |
| dxtr | centuries? | [17:02] |
| RandalSchwartz | in the 17th century, you claim "oh, in the 20th century they will invent Perl, and I shall like that then..." :) | [17:03] |
| AndrewBC | Captain's log, year 1: I love Perl soooo much. I carved it out in a cave even though it hasn't been invented yet, and boy is it expressive! | [17:03] |
| RandalSchwartz | "there's more than one way to carve it!" | [17:03] |
| AndrewBC | hahah | [17:03] |
| dxtr | Did the egyptians code perl with hieroglyphs? | [17:04] |
| RandalSchwartz | they spoke Perl as a native language!
print "cleo!"; print "other guy!" | [17:04] |
| dxtr | No, I'm pretty certain that was the romans | [17:04] |
| RandalSchwartz | the romans used python. more orderly indenting
the Huns used TCL | [17:04] |
| dxtr | Horrible
The vikings probably spoke Ook! | [17:05] |
| AndrewBC | "<RandalSchwartz> the romans used python. more orderly indenting" <- genius. | [17:06] |
| RandalSchwartz | The early native americans were the last peoples to actually understand Haskell
The germans used fortran Brits? COBOL | [17:06] |
| dxtr | Haha | [17:07] |
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| RandalSchwartz | And the Poles? (too obvious)... RPN | [17:07] |
| dxtr | Lisp? | [17:08] |
| RandalSchwartz | Clearly the french
Greece - FORTH... tiny and productive | [17:08] |
| AndrewBC | The way those parenthesis drape
really gives a nice silhouette | [17:09] |
| dxtr | Oh horrible
Have you heard of C-omega? http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/cambridge/projects/comega/ | [17:11] |
| AndrewBC | nothing beats the horrible-ness of MUMPS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUMPS jump to #Sample_programs for the long and short of it | [17:12] |
| dxtr | :P
Is that actually a language? | [17:13] |
| AndrewBC | yup | [17:13] |
| dxtr | And that's still used?
That's just... wow... I can't describe the feelings I have right now I'm devastated | [17:14] |
| AndrewBC | I suppose so, but I don't want to think about that | [17:15] |
| dxtr | I think lisp is kind of weird in an awesome way
I feel awesome whenever I get to do something with it (even though I've never done something "real" in it) - but I don't think I'll ever really learn lisp | [17:16] |
| AndrewBC | heh | [17:19] |
| RandalSchwartz | MUMPS is still heavily used yes | [17:22] |
| dxtr | That's actually quite disturbin
disturbing | [17:23] |
| AndrewBC | AndrewBC shudders | [17:24] |
| dxtr | I should probably go to bed now | [17:27] |
| AndrewBC | Gnight | [17:27] |
| dxtr | Going up in three hours or so
Oh well, good night/evening/afternoon/morning, etc. | [17:27] |
| RandalSchwartz | good $localtime :) | [17:30] |
| infrared | heh | [17:35] |
| jdoe | RandalSchwartz: sorry, was busy elsewhere. My complaint with CPAN is the unreliable quality of the modules (some is great, some is purely non-functional, and some worked once but not anymore...) ... and the fact that every module in CPAN seems to rely on every other module.
... on the other hand, there's a module for everything you want and several things you don't. so that's awesome. | [17:36] |
| RandalSchwartz | the latter is an exaggeration
most modules have only 1 or 2 dependencies at most it's only "do-all" modules like catalyst that go crazy rarely do I install a random module that requires more than 1 or 2 others | [17:37] |
| jdoe | yeah but it snowballs. | [17:38] |
| RandalSchwartz | no it doesn't
FUD please stop | [17:38] |
| jdoe | it's not THAT uncommon to install something and have it pull in a dependency that in turn pulls in a dependency. | [17:38] |
| RandalSchwartz | there are a few large frameworks
you've installed those don't paint the rest of the CPAN with that | [17:38] |
| jdoe | haha. XML::RSS is hardly a large framework. | [17:39] |
| RandalSchwartz | *most* of the CPAN is fairly small
actually - it needs a lot XML parsing is actually somewhat complex and a long ways from Perl's native skills | [17:39] |
| jdoe | parsing text isn't one of perl's native skills? :) | [17:39] |
| RandalSchwartz | XML isn't just parsing
you can do it with regex... slowly | [17:40] |
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| RandalSchwartz | the XML modules tend to use expat or libxml2
as they should and there's where your dependencies come in both of those are pretty fat frameworks | [17:40] |
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| fink | anybody else think this is cool?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3452/3393263792_6998cf9fda_o.jpg | [18:08] |
| awyeah | dammit. why doesn't freebsd enforce password expiry in login.conf. | [18:19] |
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| RandalSchwartz | because forcing people to change their passwords has been shown to be less safe?
forcing change every few weeks or months was based on raw cracking speed for bad algorithms now that we don't do that, change only means that people write down their passwords, or pick stupid ones so it's actually *less* secure to regularly rotate, rather than *more* secure | [19:57] |
| coil_ | does anyone know the password for the arpnetworks account ? | [20:03] |
| RandalSchwartz | what do you mean? | [20:04] |
| coil_ | well
when i got my vps there was two user accounts mango and arpnetworks | [20:04] |
| RandalSchwartz | "mango"? | [20:04] |
| coil_ | yes
arpnetworks:*:1002:1002:ARP Networks Maintenance Account:/home/arpnetworks:/bin/sh | [20:04] |
| RandalSchwartz | Oh - I erased that :)
I just installed my own machine | [20:05] |
| cedwards | finally got FreeBSD on my EeePC working again. | [20:05] |
| RandalSchwartz | so there are no accounts that up_the_irons knows on my machine | [20:06] |
| cedwards | someone smack me next time I want to 'portmaster -af' | [20:06] |
| coil_ | paranoid much? | [20:06] |
| cedwards | RandalSchwartz: I did the same. I reinstalled from scratch. | [20:06] |
| RandalSchwartz | not paranoid
just didn't know how to reset it :) and I rewrote / to be ZFS | [20:06] |
| coil_ | in times like these, this is useful | [20:07] |
| RandalSchwartz | so nothing existed from previous
up_the_irons should have a disk with / as ZFS to clone from since it takes about a half hour to set up or at least a script I can paste into the console :) | [20:07] |
| cedwards | RandalSchwartz: yeah. if copy/paste worked better into the vnc window it'd go a bit faster. | [20:08] |
| coil_ | haha | [20:09] |
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