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| aem | hey #arpnetworks | [13:43] |
| RandalSchwartz | hey aem | [13:43] |
| cedwards | afternoon | [13:51] |
| dxtr | Hmm.. I've got a new project going on
I want to connect a cell phone/gsm modem/whatever to my firewall so it can text me whenever there is a problem So I know it I just got one problem: I want a cheap, openbsd compatible, cell phone/gsm modem/whatever | [13:55] |
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| cedwards | not sure what to tell you in regards to hardware, but we're working on something similar at work with a telephone line. | [13:57] |
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| dxtr | :p
The easiest would be if my operator had some kind of sms gateway But ofcourse they don't | [13:58] |
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| cedwards | maybe one of the more experienced *BSD users can shed some light on this for me.
I've been researching login.conf toward limiting resources for shell access on my box. So far I've only tweaked [default], but I've seen mentions of creating login classes per-user. How does per-user login class do anything more than per-group, er generic/general login class restrictions? | [14:40] |
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| aem | cedwards: I am wondering similar things myself, I set minimum password length and upper/lower case char password limits in my /etc/login.conf yet its not recognised :-/ | [15:29] |
| cedwards | aem: did you run the command to build the .db file? | [15:30] |
| aem | so that got me thinking maybe I need to set them in /usr/share/sk
so that got me thinking maybe I need to set them in /usr/share/skel yes cedwards | [15:30] |
| cedwards | that caught me the first time.. | [15:30] |
| aem | oh hm
sorry ignore me :) | [15:30] |
| cedwards | cap_mkdb /etc/login.conf I think it is.
I usually switch from md5 to blowfish, and always have to remember to run that. | [15:31] |
| aem | yeh
same here yeh that issue is true, just checked it :mixpasswordcase=true:[15:32] <aem> :minpasswordlen=10:[15:32] <cedwards> brb - checking to see if my grill is warm enough for grilling chicken. in my /etc/login.conf and did cap_mkdb /etc/login.conf no effect :-/ so maybe I was thinking then it could be in /usr/share/skel/ | [15:32] |
| cedwards | isn't skel/ mainly for pre-populating home folders? | [15:33] |
| aem | dot.login_conf
yeh so like when someone logs in and changes pass it should make them pick a good one but yeh dunno, Il'l figure it out sorr I'm rambling here | [15:33] |
| cedwards | I've never done passwd definitions like that outside of Linux tbh. | [15:35] |
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| dxtr | Hey, up_the_irons | [15:53] |
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| Wraithan | Hey, I was looking at maybe switching to ARP from Linode, I was looking at the 'OS' stuff but I couldn't gather what distro it was nor if one can upload custom images
Ah, if I go into the purchasing area i see the 2 linux distros are Ubuntu and Debian... can one upload their own image instead? mhoran[jUaReZ], mike-burns, sroute, toddf, up_the_irons: ^ | [16:45] |
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| cedwards | Wraithan: I've been using Linode for some time. I've been very happy with them.
Wraithan: I like ARP for the availability of *BSD, which I prefer for the server. | [17:11] |
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| cedwards | Wraithan: I'll tell you the management area is not quite as mature as Linode, but the access options are still there (console, vnc, etc) | [17:12] |
| Wraithan | As long as I can put my own distro on the box that is basically all I care about | [17:13] |
| cedwards | I'm sure they can accommodate you.
Wraithan: what distro do you prefer? | [17:14] |
| Wraithan | Arch Linux
64bit | [17:15] |
| cedwards | ahh, Arch. I run Arch on my laptop. | [17:16] |
| Wraithan | It is (thankfully) not deb/rpm/emerge based | [17:16] |
| cedwards | pacman ftw | [17:16] |
| Wraithan | I run arch on all my systems, 2 work ones, laptop, home server and VPS | [17:17] |
| cedwards | Well I'd think they could probably accommodate you, but you'll probably notice this is a smaller shop than Linode.
definitely for more experienced users. | [17:19] |
| Wraithan | Well, if I was inexperienced I probably wouldn't be doing so well with arch... lol | [17:20] |
| cedwards | agreed | [17:21] |
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| mike-burns | Wraithan: I'm an ARP customer (and an op in this channel for historical reasons), but I can tell you that up_the_irons will let you run anything so long as you can get him an ISO. | [17:46] |
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| Wraithan | Sounds good. For the record that should be in the docs some where so folks don't have to waste 20-30 minutes searching to see if you can install distro X | [17:51] |
| mike-burns | That's a fair point. | [17:52] |
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| cedwards | cedwards again suggests a wiki, and would be more than happy to contribute. | [17:53] |
| mike-burns | One of us should set up a third-party wiki for ARP.
I'd do it but MediaWiki requires PHP, Apache, and MySQL ... | [17:54] |
| cedwards | mike-burns: either that or have up_the_irons setup wiki.arpnetworks.com or similar.
mike-burns: check out dokuwiki. php+flat file storage. _really_ lightweight. | [17:54] |
| mike-burns | I'd rather not have PHP on my beautiful system. | [17:55] |
| cedwards | I'd be happy to host it on mine if he wants to point DNS my way. | [17:56] |
| Wraithan | Django has wiki stuff as a third party app | [17:57] |
| infrared | hey | [17:57] |
| cedwards | I'm not a huge fan of mediawiki, but I'm sure it's not up to me. | [17:58] |
| infrared | mediawiki is nicde | [17:58] |
| cedwards | time to give my kids a bath. ttyl. | [17:58] |
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| cedwards | cedwards starts to feel like the conversation killer 'round here. | [18:23] |
| infrared | php-- | [18:32] |
| Wraithan | PHP used to pay my bills
Now Python does! | [18:32] |
| infrared | heh | [18:32] |
| cedwards | PHP pays part of my bills | [18:33] |
| infrared | mixing code and html is just wrong. | [18:33] |
| Wraithan | Is there a trial period at all with ARP? I'll likely buy a month to play with it anyway, just curious | [18:34] |
| infrared | Wraithan: what is there to try? latency? | [18:34] |
| cedwards | Wraithan: yeah. should mention on the site. | [18:34] |
| Wraithan | The admin interface, how long it takes to get the ISO I would like in use for me to install my distro, etc etc. | [18:35] |
| infrared | what distro? | [18:35] |
| Wraithan | Arch Linux
Not expecting admins to install it for me, just need it available to boot off of so I can just do the out of band stuff and install it and get SSH up And need to know what (if any) custom kernel options are required (i haven't looked to see if that is on the site) | [18:35] |
| cedwards | I don't think anything custom is required by the kernel.
hosting is done via kvm/qemu. shouldn't require anything (not like xen) | [18:39] |
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| up_the_irons | Wraithan: as long as you can install Arch yourself using VNC as your console, I will boot any Arch .iso you point me at :) | [23:18] |
| Wraithan | up_the_irons: As long as i have a terminal I can install Arch, just makes it a lot easier if I can boot off the ISO instead of doing it the hard way.
Later this week I should have time to migrate my server over, hopefully I'll be contacting you then | [23:23] |
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| up_the_irons | Wraithan: yeah, you can boot off the CD no problem. The general procedure to install your own OS is the same as setting up custom partitioning: http://support.arpnetworks.com/faqs/vps/custom-partitions | [23:25] |
| Wraithan | up_the_irons: So I would just have to toss it in the notes the ISO I'd like to have as the default CD?
The notes during sign up that is | [23:27] |
| up_the_irons | Wraithan: yup
Wraithan: your VPS will be set up normally, just nothing on the disk and you can install whenever you like | [23:28] |
| Wraithan | Ok, it seems I will be switching then.. the savings will be nice as I have never used any of the extra support stuff at linode | [23:29] |
| nesta- | :) | [23:30] |
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| Wraithan | In fact, when I contacted them (because they have a Arch Linux install) about updating their Arch image they brushed me to the side because only a small number of people use Arch, they are more concerned with staying up to date on Debian/Ubuntu/etc | [23:30] |
| aem | yeah arp is nice Wraithan, its hands on :) | [23:30] |
| Wraithan | It matters quite a bit for Arch how old your install is... rolling release doesn't take well to not updating your system for 8+ months
lol | [23:31] |
| up_the_irons | hah, yeah
i take pride in offering alternatives there are like a thousand providers offering debian/ubuntu/etc.. | [23:32] |
| Wraithan | Do you guys do any sort of referral system? My friend is the reason why I even looked into you | [23:34] |
| up_the_irons | not many for freebsd, openbsd, arch linux, etc... | [23:34] |
| Wraithan | That is why I went with Linode is they had an out of box Arch install | [23:34] |
| up_the_irons | Wraithan: if you stick around, your friend will receive a free month; just let me know who he is (or have him contact me) | [23:35] |
| Wraithan | Cool yeah, I will put it all in the notes and have him contact you as well. I am sure he would appreciate some free time
up_the_irons: http://blog.deliciousrobots.com/2010/04/25/the-reluctant-sysadmin/ He used to be my co-worker | [23:36] |
| up_the_irons | ah yes, i recognize that blog
oh wow, he wrote another post about ARP rockin' | [23:37] |
| Wraithan | Yeah, his first was just about locking himself out of his machine on the first day, which made me lol | [23:38] |
| up_the_irons | right, i saw that one ;) i commented too | [23:38] |
| aem | this is where vnc saves lives
it saved mine :) or my vps rather | [23:38] |
| Wraithan | Yeah, I've used it when I accidently borked my sshd.conf and couldn't get into my system after restarting sshd | [23:40] |
| aem | its pretty amazing imo | [23:41] |
| up_the_irons | i'll bbl | [23:41] |
| Wraithan | This was on linode but having the out of band tool is great | [23:41] |
| up_the_irons | nice chattin guys | [23:41] |
| Wraithan | up_the_irons: thanks for answering the questions. | [23:41] |
| aem | ok up_the_irons see ya | [23:41] |
| up_the_irons | Wraithan: np!
up_the_irons is over and out | [23:42] |
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