#arpnetworks 2010-02-15,Mon

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RedDemon1970	hello can somebody help me, i'm trying to install openbsd..but i cant conect to my host for downloading true ftp	[08:22]
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toddf	RedDemon1970: have you mailed a pubkey to support@arpnetworks.com ? ssh pubkey	[09:11]
RedDemon1970	a what. a pubkey?	[09:12]
DaCa	:)	[09:12]
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toddf	then you can hit the ssh console to reset your vm or hit serial console etc	[09:14]
RedDemon1970	ah k	[09:15]
toddf	you also should be able to see the settings on your portal to hit the vnc port for your vm as well	[09:16]
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RedDemon1970	hello	[12:06]
bob^^	hi	[12:07]
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ballen	ping	[19:29]
mike-burns	Pong.	[19:30]
ballen	hows it going	[19:30]
mike-burns	Not bad; excited to go back to work after the long weekend.	[19:31]
ballen	yea same minus the excited	[19:31]
mike-burns	Ah, that's too bad.	[19:31]
ballen	not lamenting it or anything	[19:32]
mike-burns	I do wish I could skip work and hack on this GNOME applet I've been writing, but programming in Ruby all day is A+ too.	[19:32]
ballen	heh right on I need to hack through a bunch of crap perl that isn't mine to take care of just so my users can be migrated off some old servers	[19:32]
mike-burns	When I wrote Perl we treated it as a "write-only language"; we'd never modify it but instead re-write anything instead.	[19:34]
ballen	heh	[19:34]
mike-burns	"Oh, there's a bug somewhere in foo.pl? Let's re-write it!"	[19:34]
ballen	yea good plan	[19:35]
mike-burns	Yeah well the company went out of business.	[19:35]
ballen	don't have the time, nor the biology background to do that with these lmao	[19:35]
mike-burns	Ah, Perl is super popular in bioinfomatics, etc. I remember that during my last year as a Perl hacker.	[19:36]
ballen	yea, the problem is you have these scientist that do the programming they've only taken minimum programming classes if any or are self-taught	[19:36]
mike-burns	Heh, the classic problem.	[19:36]
ballen	as such... in this case, their scripts are un-portable as hell	[19:37]
mike-burns	I've taken care to teach my engineer girlfriend decent programming skills for when she sometimes needs to write the MATLAB or whatever script.	[19:37]
ballen	and of course the one guy that could fix it, doesn't have time because hes a team lead and doing SCIENCE	[19:37]
jeev	i wish i could code.	[19:37]
mike-burns	mike-burns pictures SCIENCE as green liquids in tubes being poured into each other.	[19:38]
ballen	usually not green in our case rather little samples of DNA or rDNA that you put in some machine that reads said DNS or rDNA DNA* the overall issue being said machines only read a certain amount of pairs of chromosomes	[19:38]
mike-burns	It still seems magical to me, after 10 years of programming, that software can read from weird hardware. Like the Perl that reads DNA, or the MATLAB that reads lasers.	[19:40]
ballen	yea its pretty interesting perl and DNA is almost all string manipulation	[19:40]
mike-burns	Yeah, that's also crazy to me.	[19:41]
ballen	and pattern recognition	[19:41]
mike-burns	I suppose it makes total sense to use Perl for that, but I don't know which came first: using Perl for that, or it making total sense.	[19:41]
ballen	using Perl	[19:41]
mike-burns	Heh, noted.	[19:41]
ballen	I know alot of people are using Python these days for this	[19:42]
mike-burns	Oh yeah, there's some book out there that teaches DNA processing and coindicentally teaches Python along the way.	[19:42]
ballen	yea then there is a number of utilities that produce some sort of data from the reads	[19:42]
mike-burns	Yeah those are crucial.	[19:43]
ballen	then using all of that automated data creation, a person stands at the very end of the "pipeline" and tries to put it all together into a full genome and the person is the biggest bottleneck but the "finishing" is still a bit of a black magic	[19:43]
mike-burns	Yeah, still needs actual intelligence in there somewhere.	[19:45]
ballen	yea and the weird thing is we aren't putting a lot of dev time into automating that persons work we just add more people	[19:46]
mike-burns	Well automating that person's work would leave that person without a job. They certainly don't want that.	[19:46]
ballen	true can't imagine that job is very rewarding just assembly factory work	[19:47]
mike-burns	A bunch of years back I had to build (in Perl) a communication layer between the mainframe and the Web server software used by a major college, because if we moved to Postgres the mainframe guy would be out of a job.	[19:47]
ballen	should be doing SCIENCE hah	[19:47]
mike-burns	Programming is funny when politics gets involved.	[19:48]
ballen	indeed	[19:48]
mike-burns	Debian can't ship OpenSSL because of politics, and this strikes me as strange every time I re-discover it.	[19:49]
ballen	heh which politics is that? them breaking it a while back?	[19:50]
mike-burns	4-clause BSD license.	[19:50]
ballen	ah yea	[19:50]
mike-burns	You have to add the non-free repo to get both OpenSSL and unrar.	[19:51]
ballen	heh thats silly	[19:51]
mike-burns	To us BSD guys, it certainly is.	[19:51]
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ballen	thats why I'm a fan of the BSD's love that we can have ZFS	[19:51]
mike-burns	There's no doubt that the BSDs are better OSes, for both political and technical reasons.	[19:52]
ballen	indeed, agreed	[19:52]
mike-burns	But, Linux has features, which is one thing *BSD is missing. It's why I now run Debian on my laptop. Sad days.	[19:52]
ballen	sad face	[19:52]
visinin	linux is still killing it on the multimedia tip :(	[19:52]
mike-burns	Exactly.	[19:52]
ballen	yes, and the damn bio community when dev'ing open source apps will write to linux not all platforms some will work on Solaris depending where the work comes out of	[19:53]
visinin	i'm honestly considering a switch from linux to a dual-boot win7/freebsd or win7/openbsd setup though	[19:53]
ballen	there ya go	[19:53]
visinin	because it's not like linux does multimedia particularly well	[19:53]
ballen	I do Mac OS X with a Win 7 or Win XP VM	[19:54]
visinin	it's just passable yeah man	[19:54]
ballen	at least for my desktop/laptops	[19:54]
mike-burns	visinin: I'd recommend FreeBSD as your introductory BSD. Not that OpenBSD is bad, but FreeBSD has more desktop features.	[19:54]
visinin	mike-burns: noted. i've run openbsd before, in fact, and got my feet pretty wet. i'm still a bit of a freebsd noob. but ULE looks crazy	[19:54]
ballen	the new scheduler ?	[19:54]
visinin	yeah	[19:55]
ballen	why crazy	[19:55]
visinin	well, i've been hearing that it does a particularly good job for desktop workloads linux's CFS has had a lot of problems in that domain	[19:55]
ballen	ah yea seems to work pretty good	[19:55]
visinin	so many that ck wrote another new scheduler recently, BFS oh, while i'm talking about it would you recommend i install win7 or freebsd first? i'm thinking freebsd	[19:55]
ballen	I know I'm running a MySQL instance for a Zabbix monitoring service (also running on the same server) doing roughly 90-100 writes a sec at like .1 load	[19:56]
mike-burns	visinin: For dual-boot, typically you install Windows first, then the other OSes.	[19:56]
ballen	yea	[19:57]
visinin	gotcha, thanks	[19:57]
oinc	noone talked about NetBSD	[19:58]
ballen	meh	[19:58]
mike-burns	We're not academics!	[19:58]
oinc	heh	[19:59]
visinin	i'd like to play with netbsd	[19:59]
ballen	very minimal	[19:59]
visinin	but not necessarily as a primary OS	[19:59]
ballen	good choice if you want BSD + Xen	[19:59]
oinc	pkgsrc got my head hurting ballen: thats why I wanted to give it a try	[19:59]
ballen	right on I primarily use ESXi + FreeBSD	[20:00]
oinc	Disk performance any good?	[20:01]
ballen	seems to be fine just using local raid 5 and near line 7.2k sas drives	[20:01]
visinin	oh hm anybody know offhand how freebsd plays with ntfs?	[20:02]
ballen	hah	[20:02]
visinin	or, alternately, how windows plays with ffs?	[20:02]
ballen	actually no idea ffs == ufs btw	[20:02]
visinin	ufs, noted	[20:02]
ballen	maybe some drivers for winders looks like you can use Fuse in FreeBSD and as a result ntfs-3g http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/sysutils/fusefs-ntfs/	[20:03]
visinin	well, bless my nippers!	[20:04]
mike-burns	That's quite the expression.	[20:09]
ballen	indeed mike suggestions on Ruby full-text search solutions ?	[20:10]
mike-burns	Er, I don't know. I hear good things about Sphinx. We typically throw mySQL full text at it until we need something more.	[20:13]
ballen	yea currently I have data stored in Redis rather not have to have duplicate data i.e. redis + Sphinx http://github.com/nateware/redis-textsearch looks promising	[20:13]
mike-burns	One of our clients uses MarkLogic, which may or may not solve your issue. (What I know of it is: pain in the ass, not worth it.)	[20:14]
ballen	mmk ew XML Server not a fan of XML	[20:14]
mike-burns	Oh that redis-textsearch looks promising, according the README.	[20:15]
ballen	yea currently using http://ohm.keyvalue.org/ and Redis not a bad combo	[20:15]
mike-burns	Nice, nice.	[20:16]
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ballen	hmm its splitting up data quite a bit to search via a key/value db will ballon data usage a lot	[20:31]
mike-burns	Full-text search is a hard problem; not sure that it's been solved for key/value stores.	[20:32]
ballen	so looks like they're splitting up the phrase for each word they add it to an index an index for each field, so "title", "tags" ,etc somehow, it has to be associated with the ID of the object in the index as thats whats being resulted	[20:35]
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