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| RedDemon1970 | hello
can somebody help me, i'm trying to install openbsd..but i cant conect to my host for downloading true ftp | [08:22] |
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| toddf | RedDemon1970: have you mailed a pubkey to support@arpnetworks.com ?
ssh pubkey | [09:11] |
| RedDemon1970 | a what. a pubkey? | [09:12] |
| DaCa | :) | [09:12] |
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| toddf | then you can hit the ssh console to reset your vm or hit serial console etc | [09:14] |
| RedDemon1970 | ah k | [09:15] |
| toddf | you also should be able to see the settings on your portal to hit the vnc port for your vm as well | [09:16] |
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| RedDemon1970 | hello | [12:06] |
| bob^^ | hi | [12:07] |
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| ballen | ping | [19:29] |
| mike-burns | Pong. | [19:30] |
| ballen | hows it going | [19:30] |
| mike-burns | Not bad; excited to go back to work after the long weekend. | [19:31] |
| ballen | yea same
minus the excited | [19:31] |
| mike-burns | Ah, that's too bad. | [19:31] |
| ballen | not lamenting it or anything | [19:32] |
| mike-burns | I do wish I could skip work and hack on this GNOME applet I've been writing, but programming in Ruby all day is A+ too. | [19:32] |
| ballen | heh right on
I need to hack through a bunch of crap perl that isn't mine to take care of just so my users can be migrated off some old servers | [19:32] |
| mike-burns | When I wrote Perl we treated it as a "write-only language"; we'd never modify it but instead re-write anything instead. | [19:34] |
| ballen | heh | [19:34] |
| mike-burns | "Oh, there's a bug somewhere in foo.pl? Let's re-write it!" | [19:34] |
| ballen | yea good plan | [19:35] |
| mike-burns | Yeah well the company went out of business. | [19:35] |
| ballen | don't have the time, nor the biology background to do that with these
lmao | [19:35] |
| mike-burns | Ah, Perl is super popular in bioinfomatics, etc. I remember that during my last year as a Perl hacker. | [19:36] |
| ballen | yea, the problem is
you have these scientist that do the programming they've only taken minimum programming classes if any or are self-taught | [19:36] |
| mike-burns | Heh, the classic problem. | [19:36] |
| ballen | as such... in this case, their scripts are un-portable as hell | [19:37] |
| mike-burns | I've taken care to teach my engineer girlfriend decent programming skills for when she sometimes needs to write the MATLAB or whatever script. | [19:37] |
| ballen | and of course the one guy that could fix it, doesn't have time because hes a team lead and doing SCIENCE | [19:37] |
| jeev | i wish i could code. | [19:37] |
| mike-burns | mike-burns pictures SCIENCE as green liquids in tubes being poured into each other. | [19:38] |
| ballen | usually not green
in our case rather little samples of DNA or rDNA that you put in some machine that reads said DNS or rDNA DNA* the overall issue being said machines only read a certain amount of pairs of chromosomes | [19:38] |
| mike-burns | It still seems magical to me, after 10 years of programming, that software can read from weird hardware. Like the Perl that reads DNA, or the MATLAB that reads lasers. | [19:40] |
| ballen | yea its pretty interesting
perl and DNA is almost all string manipulation | [19:40] |
| mike-burns | Yeah, that's also crazy to me. | [19:41] |
| ballen | and pattern recognition | [19:41] |
| mike-burns | I suppose it makes total sense to use Perl for that, but I don't know which came first: using Perl for that, or it making total sense. | [19:41] |
| ballen | using Perl | [19:41] |
| mike-burns | Heh, noted. | [19:41] |
| ballen | I know alot of people are using Python these days for this | [19:42] |
| mike-burns | Oh yeah, there's some book out there that teaches DNA processing and coindicentally teaches Python along the way. | [19:42] |
| ballen | yea
then there is a number of utilities that produce some sort of data from the reads | [19:42] |
| mike-burns | Yeah those are crucial. | [19:43] |
| ballen | then using all of that automated data creation, a person stands at the very end of the "pipeline"
and tries to put it all together into a full genome and the person is the biggest bottleneck but the "finishing" is still a bit of a black magic | [19:43] |
| mike-burns | Yeah, still needs actual intelligence in there somewhere. | [19:45] |
| ballen | yea and the weird thing is we aren't putting a lot of dev time into automating that persons work
we just add more people | [19:46] |
| mike-burns | Well automating that person's work would leave that person without a job.
They certainly don't want that. | [19:46] |
| ballen | true
can't imagine that job is very rewarding just assembly factory work | [19:47] |
| mike-burns | A bunch of years back I had to build (in Perl) a communication layer between the mainframe and the Web server software used by a major college, because if we moved to Postgres the mainframe guy would be out of a job. | [19:47] |
| ballen | should be doing SCIENCE
hah | [19:47] |
| mike-burns | Programming is funny when politics gets involved. | [19:48] |
| ballen | indeed | [19:48] |
| mike-burns | Debian can't ship OpenSSL because of politics, and this strikes me as strange every time I re-discover it. | [19:49] |
| ballen | heh which politics is that?
them breaking it a while back? | [19:50] |
| mike-burns | 4-clause BSD license. | [19:50] |
| ballen | ah
yea | [19:50] |
| mike-burns | You have to add the non-free repo to get both OpenSSL and unrar. | [19:51] |
| ballen | heh thats silly | [19:51] |
| mike-burns | To us BSD guys, it certainly is. | [19:51] |
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| ballen | thats why I'm a fan of the BSD's
love that we can have ZFS | [19:51] |
| mike-burns | There's no doubt that the BSDs are better OSes, for both political and technical reasons. | [19:52] |
| ballen | indeed, agreed | [19:52] |
| mike-burns | But, Linux has features, which is one thing *BSD is missing. It's why I now run Debian on my laptop.
Sad days. | [19:52] |
| ballen | sad face | [19:52] |
| visinin | linux is still killing it on the multimedia tip :( | [19:52] |
| mike-burns | Exactly. | [19:52] |
| ballen | yes, and the damn bio community when dev'ing open source apps will write to linux not all platforms
some will work on Solaris depending where the work comes out of | [19:53] |
| visinin | i'm honestly considering a switch from linux to a dual-boot win7/freebsd or win7/openbsd setup though | [19:53] |
| ballen | there ya go | [19:53] |
| visinin | because it's not like linux does multimedia particularly well | [19:53] |
| ballen | I do Mac OS X with a Win 7 or Win XP VM | [19:54] |
| visinin | it's just passable
yeah man | [19:54] |
| ballen | at least for my desktop/laptops | [19:54] |
| mike-burns | visinin: I'd recommend FreeBSD as your introductory BSD. Not that OpenBSD is bad, but FreeBSD has more desktop features. | [19:54] |
| visinin | mike-burns: noted. i've run openbsd before, in fact, and got my feet pretty wet. i'm still a bit of a freebsd noob.
but ULE looks crazy | [19:54] |
| ballen | the new scheduler ? | [19:54] |
| visinin | yeah | [19:55] |
| ballen | why crazy | [19:55] |
| visinin | well, i've been hearing that it does a particularly good job for desktop workloads
linux's CFS has had a lot of problems in that domain | [19:55] |
| ballen | ah yea
seems to work pretty good | [19:55] |
| visinin | so many that ck wrote *another* new scheduler recently, BFS
oh, while i'm talking about it would you recommend i install win7 or freebsd first? i'm thinking freebsd | [19:55] |
| ballen | I know I'm running a MySQL instance for a Zabbix monitoring service (also running on the same server) doing roughly 90-100 writes a sec
at like .1 load | [19:56] |
| mike-burns | visinin: For dual-boot, typically you install Windows first, then the other OSes. | [19:56] |
| ballen | yea | [19:57] |
| visinin | gotcha, thanks | [19:57] |
| oinc | noone talked about NetBSD | [19:58] |
| ballen | meh | [19:58] |
| mike-burns | We're not academics! | [19:58] |
| oinc | heh | [19:59] |
| visinin | i'd like to play with netbsd | [19:59] |
| ballen | very minimal | [19:59] |
| visinin | but not necessarily as a primary OS | [19:59] |
| ballen | good choice if you want BSD + Xen | [19:59] |
| oinc | pkgsrc got my head hurting
ballen: thats why I wanted to give it a try | [19:59] |
| ballen | right on
I primarily use ESXi + FreeBSD | [20:00] |
| oinc | Disk performance any good? | [20:01] |
| ballen | seems to be fine
just using local raid 5 and near line 7.2k sas drives | [20:01] |
| visinin | oh hm
anybody know offhand how freebsd plays with ntfs? | [20:02] |
| ballen | hah | [20:02] |
| visinin | or, alternately, how windows plays with ffs? | [20:02] |
| ballen | actually no idea
ffs == ufs btw | [20:02] |
| visinin | ufs, noted | [20:02] |
| ballen | maybe some drivers for winders
looks like you can use Fuse in FreeBSD and as a result ntfs-3g http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/sysutils/fusefs-ntfs/ | [20:03] |
| visinin | well, bless my nippers! | [20:04] |
| mike-burns | That's quite the expression. | [20:09] |
| ballen | indeed
mike suggestions on Ruby full-text search solutions ? | [20:10] |
| mike-burns | Er, I don't know. I hear good things about Sphinx. We typically throw mySQL full text at it until we need something more. | [20:13] |
| ballen | yea
currently I have data stored in Redis rather not have to have duplicate data i.e. redis + Sphinx http://github.com/nateware/redis-textsearch looks promising | [20:13] |
| mike-burns | One of our clients uses MarkLogic, which may or may not solve your issue. (What I know of it is: pain in the ass, not worth it.) | [20:14] |
| ballen | mmk
ew XML Server not a fan of XML | [20:14] |
| mike-burns | Oh that redis-textsearch looks promising, according the README. | [20:15] |
| ballen | yea
currently using http://ohm.keyvalue.org/ and Redis not a bad combo | [20:15] |
| mike-burns | Nice, nice. | [20:16] |
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| ballen | hmm
its splitting up data quite a bit to search via a key/value db will ballon data usage a lot | [20:31] |
| mike-burns | Full-text search is a hard problem; not sure that it's been solved for key/value stores. | [20:32] |
| ballen | so looks like they're splitting up the phrase
for each word they add it to an index an index for each field, so "title", "tags" ,etc somehow, it has to be associated with the ID of the object in the index as thats whats being resulted | [20:35] |
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