#arpnetworks 2009-10-23,Fri

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up_the_ironsPAE isn't well tested on FreeBSD?
jeev: your box does 230 megs? very nice
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ballenhttp://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/kernelconfig-config.html
Note: The PAE support in FreeBSD is only available for Intel IA-32 processors. It should also be noted, that the PAE support in FreeBSD has not received wide testing, and should be considered beta quality compared to other stable features of FreeBSD.
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up_the_ironswell, that settles that [00:04]
jeevup_the_irons, it's just html and images
single cpu E5420 (quad 2.5)
xeon
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up_the_ironsjeev: i'm familiar with that proc, I use the E5430 and L5430's [00:05]
ballenjeev serving it up with something like nginx or varnish? [00:05]
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sroutesroute agrees with ballen about facebook
sroute has no facebook account and never will. too many distractions already anyway.
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up_the_ironsgodamn GNU parted is bullshit [00:35]
jeevapache
facebook and all that shit is just indexin
you're giving away your life when yousign up for that stuff
up_the_irons, it's decent i guess
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Radajeev: Through school people always told me to get a life. Now that I'm on facebook, do I have minus one life? [00:57]
jeevwho knows
but i guarantee you one thing, your messages are being read.
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nerddRada: Well, I'd bet my right arm that the same people now think that you don't have any life if you don't have a facebook account. Pretty ironic isn't it? [01:18]
RadaNo actually a lot of them grew up to be mature people and are now in their twenties. Some of them probably got an education, others are servicing gas stations, but ... [01:27]
nerddBut they still think that facebook acct. == life - and back then they thought (being online != life) [01:29]
RadaI believe we're heading for a day where being online is an unnoticable part of our everyday lives.
So yeah you're right
Anybody not connected to the net will cease social existance.
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jeevi dont believe that
good night
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nerddThen we have succeeded in forcing our geek way of life upon the world, and we can rightfully claim ourselves conquerors of human kind. [01:38]
RadaI dont know man. Civilisation without technology at least as complex as now sounds kinda lame
How did people have lives back then?
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nerddThey walked outside :| [01:46]
RadaI can barely imagine how painstaking all that walking would be for peoples feet
For christs sakes, it's like _all_ of your body weight focused on TWO stumps of meat
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sroutei like my stumps of meat
... guess I won't fit into the future very well.
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toddfas computers get smaller and more portable and more powerful, more people will find them convenient
mobile phones have introduced the mobile communications concept
making data capable mobile phones and more powerful mobile phones .. will end up in a reality where everybody just uses mobile communications whether chat or voice or video .. and with HMD's coming down in price (supposedly a french company will make them for less than $200 in 2010)
we can expect mobile devices to interface with mobile video display units and we head towards Accelarando style tech easily
not sure I'd ever be dumbfounded and inept w/out such enhancements like my head mounted virtual display superimposing on my realities, but there sure are a lot of times when I could use such
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mike-burnsI really don't see HUDs appearing on humans any time in the next 500 years. [10:15]
toddflook up optinvent and their product Clear Vu a clear HMD less than $200 early 2010 [10:16]
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mike-burnsPrice isn't the limiting factor. [10:17]
toddfif the geeks have them first, the marketroids will find ways to make geek stuff stylish [10:17]
sroutesroute throws SkyNet switch on; SkyNet to become self-aware in 7 seconds. [10:17]
toddftell me 20 years ago you'd expect to see wireless earphones in people talking via mobile phones today? [10:18]
sroutePerhaps more pressing concerns than being stylish will become, well, stylish in the not distant future. [10:18]
mike-burnsNah, hands-free phones existed then.
Stylishness is never leaving.
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toddfhands free but not wire free
aka bluetooth was but a scifi concept back then
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mike-burnsI'm not sure that I'd have doubted Bluetooth, but I do doubt that people will want HUDs. [10:19]
toddfnow there's usb3 ..
usl is a usb display chipset
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srouteVOX is pretty old tech; I had a luggable cell phone that had vox some time ago. Not the same as an ear bud phone. Did we expect that back then? I'm pretty sure most techies expected a certain amount of miniaturization [10:20]
toddfso someone puts usb3 wireless into a phone and usb3 receiver in a HUD and suddenly you have a stylish pair of headsets that goes with your phone with earphones and a video conf call in the future [10:20]
mike-burnsI suspect that anyone who would want a HUD already works with/has a product from Steve Mann. [10:20]
toddfI have spent hours looking at his site, but I have no clue how to get a transparent HUD out of it
if I missed something feel free to show me where
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mike-burnsSo we need the technology to be cheap enough to go into common, in-style glasses? [10:22]
toddfand I also note most of his details stop at 2001
for mass market sub $200/pair is a huge leap forward IMHO
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mike-burnsI just don't see a market for this. [10:22]
toddfonce the initial geeks eat that up they should have enough funding to further refine the product
airlines could give out glasses and you could watch the video in hidef widescreen
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mike-burnsI dunno. I'm cynical, but I also don't know if a HUD can provide something that people are actually willing to spend money on. [10:24]
toddfthere are lesser quality things for portable dvd players or whatever on amazon
I just don't like them because they're 320x200 mostly
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sroutetoddf: just one more thing to stock, track, clean. Unless they can sell them for $10 I doubt you'll see airlines do it.
they don't even like doing dishes these days
personally I am not keen to wear glasses someone else has had perched on their shnoz, or use earphones either. I bring my own or don't bother.
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mike-burnsYeah same here. [10:32]
nerddI want contacs with HUD. [10:32]
mike-burnsA HUD projected on glasses would do decently in the market of people who want glasses but have no vision problems. [10:33]
srouteif glasses undetectable from standard specs (or contacts!) then a whole market of cheating students would be easy to tap !
imagine the possibilities - market it to porn addicts. Huge market I bet. porn 24*7, at work, at home, while driving LOL
after all, porn is always an early adopter of new tech which aids in publishing ;)
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nerddWell.. At least they'll be easy identifiable walking around with huge boners ;) [10:35]
srouteback in the 90's when the first graphical browser was available a bunch of my techs at Data General croweded around an X display to have a look. I still recall scratching my head wondering how fast it would take off and in what direction, since just grabbing "information" had already been possible via gopher, ftp and such. My lead systems engineer, a true to life beareded Unix gnome, quite wisely
said: Porn. They'll run with this very fast.
nerdd: LOL LOL LOL
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mike-burnsSure, I believe that putting the right style, flash, and marketing on something will make it immensely popular.
Just not so sure that someone will do that to a HUD.
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toddfsearch for HMD at amazon, there's pleanty
just need to go from HMD to HUD
small step
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mike-burnsThe presence of a product doesn't guarantee its sale. [10:39]
toddfapparently 'head mounted display' yields more results but anyway
my point is not the proof or product
but the proof of marketing
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mike-burnsDo these sell? [10:40]
toddfhow would I determine that? amazon doesn't exactly have a `x people have bought y product' indicator [10:41]
mike-burnsYup. [10:42]
srouteDon't need an indicator. If they sold in volume you'd see them on the streets. You'd see an ecosystem of third party products spring up around them. [10:46]
mike-burnsI mean they're obviously not popular now; just not sure what would cause them to become popular. [10:48]
srouteso far... neither. But sure, one day. At this point I'm less than impressed with small machine OS / human interfaces. I guess some of the phones are "ok" for what they do but they are not so much general purpose computers and personally all I ever want is the most powerful general purpose computer I can get [10:48]
mike-burnsUnless toddf made some company dedicated to making them stylish. [10:48]
toddftry looking up the nokia n900 on youtube [10:48]
sroutemike-burns: porn. ok, how about a facebook app
toddf: I have a slightly older nokia tablet...
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toddfits a loonix system with 512mb mem. add an external display .. wallah [10:48]
srouteIts "ok". [10:49]
mike-burnsI don't know anyone with a N900. Are they popular? [10:49]
toddfthey are either coming out or just come out
my brother was impressed given they are one of the most open mobile devices coming out of a big company
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srouteHurts my eyes unless wearing glasses so its not portable in some respects, for me, as my glasses live by my computer in my office... I still use it on the go of course
But it is a very good device... when they get the teething problems out of Maemo (perhaps have with the latest) and a bigger developer community could be strong
toddf: i was also impressed that Nokia is pushing it and in a relatively open manner too.
... which is why I bought one in the first place.
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jeevjeev sends an email to up_the_irons, please convert my freebsd vps to windows 7
pfffffffft
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up_the_ironsomfg [13:31]
jeevheh [13:33]
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dj_gokuanyone around? [21:49]
sbbppi am [21:49]
dj_gokusbbpp: did you change the port that ssh was listening on? [21:49]
sbbppfor your server? [21:49]
dj_gokuyes sir. [21:49]
sbbppoh no im not an admin [21:49]
dj_gokuerr no your vps [21:49]
sbbppno i didnt but i know how to [21:51]
dj_gokuahh doesn't look many attempts outside of my home ip range has hit my vps [21:53]
sbbppscan wise? [21:53]
dj_gokuyes sir.
well
sbbpp: yes heh
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sbbppi stoped that with sshguard-ipfw [21:54]
dj_gokusbbpp: not sure if your a sir/ma'am haha [21:55]
sbbppsir i guess
just a kid
;d
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dj_gokusbbpp: ahh I just switch ports. I know it doesn't help with security.
ahh cool
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sbbppwell.. if you have ipfw enabled in kernel you can use what i use and leave it on port 22
or just do it your route
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dj_gokuI normally switch it to 443 so I can tunnel out from open wifi to a trust box :)
s/trust/trusted/
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sbbppahh [21:58]
dj_gokuairports/coffee shops are horrible places to surf. [21:58]
sbbppi bet so [21:59]
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jeevhttp://losingweightafterbaby.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/huge-hamburger.jpg [22:46]
dj_gokujeev: looks yummy [22:57]
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up_the_ironshow's everyones' friday night
up_the_irons is computin'
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visininpretty alright
watching some sketch comedy and coding
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jeevwhy wont anyone code for me.. for free [23:11]
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up_the_ironspeople like to get paid for hard work [23:27]
visininyeah
the key is to find people who are interested in the solving the same problems that you are
because people will solve their own problems for free
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up_the_ironsyeah [23:28]
jeevbah
i'm accepting free workers, they have to buy me lunch and coffee though
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visininoh cool
what sort of stuff do you want coded?
or want to code
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jeevi dunno
hahahah
one line code to take over the world
one line is enough to take over the fox news viewership
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visinini hear there's a CPAN module for that [23:48]
up_the_ironslol [23:48]

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