#arpnetworks 2009-08-25,Tue

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obsidieththis is fast enough to actually irc from without a bouncer, very good latency to au [00:24]
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up_the_ironsobsidieth: haha, awesome [03:49]
obsidiethyeah im really suprised, no shell i have ever had has let me do that [03:49]
up_the_ironsRAD
obsidieth: show me your v4 reverse DNS setup (pastie) when you get a chance, I'll write a Knowledge Base article on how to set up sub-class C delegations
Qsource: you PM'd?
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obsidiethok, will do
theres a possibility that my setup is a super bad example
but ill shw you what ive got
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up_the_ironsobsidieth: I'll clean it up ;) [04:00]
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up_the_ironswelcome ConquerorX [04:08]
ConquerorX:
:)
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up_the_irons:) [04:10]
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up_the_ironscablehead: do you know Joel in NetOps at Slide? [04:53]
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mhoranup_the_irons: RFC 2317? http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2317.txt ? [06:32]
up_the_ironsmhoran: yeah, for sub-class C reverse DNS delegations [06:33]
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up_the_ironswe have 15 people in the room, it's growin!
<sniff> i remember when u were little
;)
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ballenheh [07:07]
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and back to normal wasn't the rc script it nginx was listening just on ipv6
i swear it was working before
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up_the_ironsballen: i thought nginx didn't support ipv6? guess it's new [07:26]
ballenyea supports it fine
listen [::]:80
you may have to build it with the option though
i know in freebsd ports it will give you the option
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up_the_ironsballen: ah cool [07:30]
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obsidiethobsidieth wipes brow
kernel compiling makes me nervous
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cableheadup_the_irons: yeah I do
up_the_irons: wait, do you know Joel?
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up_the_ironscablehead: sweet; i don't know Joel, but I sent him a peering request. If he denies it, now I can have you slap him ;) [11:33]
cableheadup_the_irons: haha
up_the_irons: he seems like a crazy smart guy
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up_the_ironscablehead: cool [11:34]
cableheadup_the_irons: if a mention a request from Garry Dolley, will he know what I'm talking about? [11:35]
up_the_ironscablehead: yeah probably
cablehead: does this show for you, or is it private: http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=13949
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cableheadup_the_irons: i can see that [11:38]
up_the_ironscablehead: cool, that's where i got his contact info [11:38]
cableheadup_the_irons: will you gain much peering with slide? [11:41]
up_the_ironscablehead: probably not, given ARP and Slide are both content networks mostly, but it helps build out the network some; The DigiSynd office gets bandwidth from me, so anyone in the office seeing Slide content could reach it directly at that point. a little gain [11:44]
cableheadup_the_irons: pretty sure slide have peering with facebook, but ARP wouldn't get that eh?, by peering with slide .. my network knowledge is feeble [11:46]
up_the_ironscablehead: right, I wouldn't get that. peering usually means you get routes only of the peer network, not anyone else's. I already have peering with Facebook though, so that's covered :) [11:49]
cableheadup_the_irons: oh nice :) [11:50]
up_the_ironscablehead: yeah, FB is pretty easy going about it [11:50]
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up_the_ironsI wonder who marty__ was [17:45]
balleni unno [17:49]
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forcefollowhello [19:27]
ballenhello [19:27]
forcefollowhow long does it generally take to get a vps setup? [19:28]
ballenumm depends when up_the_irons is around
day max
[19:28]
forcefollowone other question, i was planning on getting an openbsd one to toy around with, if i screw it up and need it reloaded is that going to be an issue? [19:29]
ballenshouldn't be, again not my company. I'm just a customer [19:30]
forcefollowforcefollow nods
you like the service?
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ballenGarry (up_the_irons) can simply recreate it
yea like it quite a bit
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forcefollowive been using slicehost but im wanting to move away from linux [19:31]
ballenyep I made the same move
this is def a smaller company
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forcefollowthats cool, i actually like that [19:32]
ballenand Garry is the only guy running the place.
but he seems quite smart
and works long after hours to get things done if needed
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forcefollowi know how that is, im a small business owner also [19:32]
ballenperformance is good, I had a 256 slice with Arch on it
at Slicehost
I havea 768 vps FreeBSD here
quite a bit faster
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forcefollowi can barely run what i need with 512 [19:33]
ballenyea
we were hitting 256 pretty hrad
hard*
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forcefollowi bet that was swapping like crazy [19:34]
ballenyea a little
we slimmed everything down a lot
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forcefollowmy dev server only had 256 for awhile and it was swapping a lot [19:34]
ballenhave you used OpenBSD or FreeBSD much? [19:35]
forcefollowi used to use freebsd quite a bit back around 4.x
and i just started playing with openbsd last weekend
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ballenah, I prefer Free over Open
unless you're making a router
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forcefollowi cant decide which i want [19:37]
balleni'd say for dev work Free is nicer [19:37]
forcefollowyeah you're probably right
i wonder if he is planning on offering openbsd 4.5 soon
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ballenif you'd like send an email over to garry at gdolley at arpnetworks.com
he's running QEMU based VM's
so if you can upgrade OpenBSD inside the VM it should work fine
assuming theres not issues with 4.5 on QEMU
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forcefollowlooks like you can [19:41]
ballencool, alright I'm taking off, Garry hangs out around this room a lot
she either hand out, or email him
so*
hang*
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forcefollowi think im just going to go ahead and sign up
thanks ballen|away
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ballen|awayno prob [19:44]
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up_the_ironsup_the_irons is in da house
ballen: thanks for helping forcefollow in my absense :)
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ballenno prob [21:20]
up_the_ironsforcefollow: OpenBSD 4.5 isn't on the list b/c when I tried installing it I got a kernel panic
forcefollow: A new KVM/QEMU was installed yesterday, so maybe I should try again...
either way, it'd require some testing; I don't like to sell something that "worked once when I tried it", preferring some real abuse ;)
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ballenup_the_irons: have you tried FreeBSD 8 Beta 3 [21:22]
up_the_ironsballen: not yet [21:22]
ballenbe interesting if it has any issues [21:22]
up_the_ironsforcefollow: I have a production OpenBSD 4.4 amd64 VM running and it has been rock solid; so I know 4.4 works quite well [21:22]
ballenI've been running beta 2 on a few machines and its been quite stable [21:23]
up_the_ironsbeen running for several months now
ballen: ah cool
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ballenin vmware not qemu though [21:23]
up_the_ironsyeah
the wife beckons, I'll bbl
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ballenkk [21:23]
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forcefollowforcefollow: cool
err
up_the_irons: cool
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ballenup_the_irons: http://sysadminschronicles.com/past/2009/8/26/freebsd_ipv6_over_openvpn [21:48]
forcefollowill just stick with that one then, btw i placed an order under my gf's name (the card is in her name) [21:48]
ballengetting the GF to pay for the VPS nice ;-) [21:49]
forcefollowlol its my money in her bank account [21:49]
ballenhmm
that's likely worse
but I suppose I do that same, joint account though
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forcefollowwe've been together for 5 years, i trust her [21:50]
ballenthats good [21:51]
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up_the_ironsballen|away: nice writeup! [23:10]
forcefollowup_the_irons: did you get my order?
no rush, just asking
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up_the_ironsforcefollow: yup!
It's In There(tm)
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forcefollowcool [23:15]
up_the_irons:) [23:15]
forcefollowso you do all this by yourself? [23:15]
up_the_ironsforcefollow: how'd you find out about my VPS services BTW? [23:16]
forcefollowgoogle openbsd vps [23:16]
up_the_ironsforcefollow: yup, by myself pretty much
ah.. that WHT thread i bet
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forcefollowyup
you should do some SEO on your site, cause there arent many places that offer openbsd vps
i bet you could get your page rank quite a bit
*up
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up_the_ironsforcefollow: yeah, I don't know how to start on that kinda stuff. I've just started some stuff with freebsdvps.com (one of my domains), and in a week I got it on the first page google results for "freebsd vps" (albeit on the bottom)
forcefollow: BTW, for more about the company and me, I've explained it here: http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log/arpnetworks?date=2009-08-12,Wed&sel=50#l46
i'm really glad I decided to log this room... ;)
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forcefollowhaving an irc channel was one of the reasons i decided to try it out [23:19]
up_the_ironsawesome, I was hoping it'd have that effect as well ;)
but ya know, regarding OpenBSD, I don't know how much of a market there is for it. I love it for my routers, but I don't get many requests for it as a VM. FreeBSD trumps there of course. And Linux beats FreeBSD in market, but since I don't push my Linux VMs much, I get more FreeBSD orders
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forcefollowi might get you to change me over to freebsd, i have a lot more experience with it but lately ive been trying some new stuff
im really bored with what i know right now (php/linux/etc etc)
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up_the_ironshaha
yeah
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forcefollowbut if all goes well i might move my work stuff over also
we currently have 3 servers with slicehost
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up_the_ironsthat'd be great :)
forcefollow: what distro do you use at slicehost?
[23:25]
forcefollowfedora [23:27]
up_the_ironsugh, that's one I don't do (I never had a Red Hat based distro not get hacked _eventually_) [23:27]
forcefollowyeah thats why i was looking into *bsd, security
there was a remote bind exploit about a month ago and it scared me
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up_the_ironsi've been upgrading my kernels like mad b/c of recent Linux exploits [23:29]
forcefollowlame isnt it? [23:29]
up_the_ironsyeah
not that FreeBSD is all that much better. Stock 7.1 had a local priv escalation to root bug
[23:29]
forcefolloweek [23:30]
up_the_ironseverything has bugs
;)
[23:30]
forcefollowi havent used freebsd since about 4.x
indeed, i had to fix a few today in my own code
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up_the_ironsMy first sys admin job was working with FreeBSD 1.x boxes ;)
I remember when I upgraded them to 2
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forcefollowwow
old school =)
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up_the_ironshaha yeah [23:34]
forcefollowim thinking about trying out lighttpd too [23:35]
up_the_ironsah, i've used that some in the past
works pretty good, pretty fast
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forcefollowim also getting interested in python and maybe scala (it looks neat) [23:50]
up_the_ironsi know a lot of python guys [23:51]
forcefollowi spent a couple weeks playing with it and when i had to go back to php i missed it [23:51]
up_the_ironsthe most I ever did with Python was getting the [FBI] bot (irclogger) to talk SSL
yeah, php is my last choice of a language
i used to do it a lot, but no longer, there are way better ways to make web apps these days
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forcefollowwhat do you preferr now? [23:52]
up_the_ironsRails and Sinatra [23:53]
forcefollowahh im a big zend framework fan [23:54]
up_the_ironsah
bigs: did u guys actually compile a new kernel on your VM?
[23:54]
forcefollowdjango is sexy for doing quick CRUD [23:56]
up_the_ironsnever worked with django [23:57]
obsidieth:p
yeah limited length nicks.
stubborn ol efnet
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