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| obsidieth | anyone around? | [21:45] |
| i have a question about payment | [21:52] | |
| ballen | I am, but I don't work for ARP
just a customer | [21:56] |
| mike-burns | I'm a paying customer, if that helps. | [21:56] |
| obsidieth | what exactly is the process
like, can i pay from a paypal | [21:59] |
| ballen | major credit cards I know are accepted
http://arpnetworks.com/order yea 4 major credit cards | [21:59] |
| obsidieth | so its really not possible without a credit card? | [22:01] |
| mike-burns | I don't know whether it's not. up_the_irons will have the final rule on that. | [22:02] |
| obsidieth | 10 4 | [22:02] |
| ballen | yea I think he took a mini vacation for the weekend
so he may not get back to you right away | [22:02] |
| obsidieth | i am not very experienced with purchasing things on the internet, i was hoping i could do a bank transfer or something
since i dont have a credit card. | [22:03] |
| mike-burns | No debit card either?
Ah well up_the_irons will have some solution I'm sure. | [22:03] |
| ballen | you can email him at gdolley [at] arpnetworks.com and ask him yourself. His first name is Garry | [22:04] |
| mike-burns | Very friendly and helpful guy. | [22:04] |
| ballen | he's typically accomidating, but no promised
promises* | [22:04] |
| obsidieth | im sure theres a way.
as long as i can verify myself somehow | [22:04] |
| ballen | yea
paypal double dips on payments now | [22:05] |
| obsidieth | im not sure what that means | [22:05] |
| ballen | so I doubt that'll be a good solution
Paypal use to charge the merchent only they're fees now they take a cut from the user, and merchant at least that is what I have read | [22:05] |
| mike-burns | I've heard this as well. Also not verified, but we're two independent potentially-correct sources. | [22:06] |
| obsidieth | so would emailing Garry be my best bet | [22:07] |
| ballen | heh | [22:07] |
| obsidieth | im not exactly in a hurry. | [22:07] |
| ballen | likely or just pop in here when he's around | [22:07] |
| mike-burns | Definitely do email him, but don't be a stranger! | [22:08] |
| ballen | if you can just leave your irc client open and leave him a question on here, he'll answer when he gets back
but email would be easier | [22:08] |
| obsidieth | ill probably idle here reguardless.
im pretty excited to make this work one way or another | [22:10] |
| ballen | wha ya trying to setup?
no one would just happen to know the strftime to make 04/08/2009 format off the top of thier head? | [22:11] |
| mike-burns | Not accurately, but how about %D%M%Y ?
... with slashes Oh wait, is the 08 the month or the day? If it's the day, %D will do. | [22:12] |
| obsidieth | well, ive been hosting my own freebsd box for quite some time | [22:13] |
| ballen | Time.now.strftime("%M/%d/%Y") | [22:13] |
| obsidieth | just for light webhosting and some irc needs
but i live in australia, so bandwith and uptime is shakey. | [22:13] |
| ballen | ah right on | [22:13] |
| obsidieth | ive also been pretty interested in ipv6
running my own tunnel, would be nice to have native | [22:14] |
| ballen | ARP seems to have good latency and such to Asia so I'd imagine it'd do well to Australia
yea you get a /48 IPv6 block not sure why we need that much | [22:14] |
| obsidieth | haha yeah its a shitload of addresses
but hey why not. | [22:15] |
| ballen | have you tested ping time, download speed etc yet? | [22:15] |
| obsidieth | not yet.
i thought i would see if i could actually purchase one first. | [22:15] |
| ballen | I know there is a link to a 100 meg file on the website | [22:16] |
| obsidieth | well i only get about 120kbs down, so its not going to be much of a test | [22:16] |
| ballen | ah
can ping my box @ 208.79.89.202 not blocking icmp | [22:16] |
| obsidieth | 190 ish | [22:17] |
| ballen | prolly can ping arpnetworks.com as well
not bad for going across the world | [22:17] |
| obsidieth | indeed.
well the other shellbox i work on is about 270, so its definitely an improvement | [22:17] |
| ballen | cool
nothing semi-local that'd do? | [22:18] |
| obsidieth | australia is pretty poor for hosting
i have looked around, you generally spend the same if not more for an inferior machine and only one ip. | [22:18] |
| ballen | shitty
oh wtf 52/15/2009 | [22:19] |
| mike-burns | Oh, capitals are time. Whoops! | [22:20] |
| ballen | lmao
ya Time.now.strftime("%m/%d/%Y") moving http://sysadminschronicles.com/ to a Sinatra app | [22:20] |
| mike-burns | Oh cool. | [22:21] |
| ballen | http://mail.sysadminschronicles.com/
which is the new app based on Scanty-redis | [22:21] |
| mike-burns | No visual change, so good job there.
Oh, slight visual changes. | [22:22] |
| ballen | yea some tweaks here and there are needed
no more catagories since its using redis instead of sqlite | [22:22] |
| mike-burns | Can't use categories with redis, or it doesn't make sense? | [22:23] |
| ballen | umm | [22:23] |
| mike-burns | I'm not familiar with redis. | [22:23] |
| ballen | didn't include it in the schema
its a key/value db like memcache, but with quite a bit more types of data like sets and lists | [22:23] |
| mike-burns | Okay, so no more categories 'cause you didn't feel like it? | [22:24] |
| ballen | basically | [22:24] |
| mike-burns | The best reason indeed. | [22:24] |
| ballen | each story has tags
and tags can be indexed | [22:24] |
| mike-burns | Tags are more useful than categories, I've found. | [22:24] |
| ballen | each time you add some other way to index data, i.e. categories you have to duplicate a lot of db in a key/value db
db = data* which means you have to keep track of it and be able to modify, and delete it | [22:25] |
| mike-burns | I see. Way too much work. | [22:26] |
| ballen | yep
redis is all of 10k lines of code so its super light and has presistent storage but stores everything in memory | [22:26] |
| mike-burns | Sure, but what are you gaining from it for a blog? | [22:27] |
| ballen | writes it out to disk async
it uses like 10megs of ram compared to mysql or pgsql | [22:27] |
| mike-burns | Oh low RAM is nice. | [22:27] |
| ballen | and its wicked fast
and can scale | [22:27] |
| mike-burns | How does it scale? | [22:28] |
| ballen | redis-rb (redis ruby connector) can do a hash ring | [22:28] |
| mike-burns | That sounds both fancy and useful. | [22:28] |
| ballen | just a way to distribute key/value db's horizontally
basically all data is hashed and each db takes a range of hashes | [22:29] |
| mike-burns | Oh okay, that makes sense. | [22:29] |
| ballen | you can add nodes and it just sections up a section | [22:30] |
| mike-burns | Kinda like partitioning but for k/v stores. | [22:30] |
| ballen | redis also has master -> slave replication built directly in | [22:30] |
| mike-burns | 100% buzzword compliant! | [22:30] |
| ballen | absolutely | [22:30] |
| mhoran | Can't get better than that. | [22:31] |
| ballen | its my fav db of the new crazy db's out today
working with a key/value db is a pain in the ass though | [22:31] |
| mike-burns | I haven't tried any of the new ones yet. Soon, soon. | [22:31] |
| ballen | at least when you're used to ActiveRecord easy'ness
yea | [22:32] |
| mike-burns | I think I'd prefer transparent object persistence, if that were possible. | [22:32] |
| ballen | http://github.com/unilogic/scanty-redis/tree/master
thats my fork of scanty if you ever wanted to play with redis added user auth and look and feel | [22:32] |
| mike-burns | Cool. | [22:33] |
| ballen | should fix the readme so people actually know how to make the first user | [22:34] |
| obsidieth | you dont have a network map do ya? | [22:34] |
| ballen | oh wha
of* | [22:35] |
| obsidieth | peering points and borders ? | [22:36] |
| ballen | hmm
nope http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/as-report?as=AS25795&v=4&view=2.0 that should have some info ARP is AS25795 in BGP land | [22:37] |
| obsidieth | thanks, found what i needed.
hopefully we can make this work :) | [22:51] |
| ballen | np, I'm sure you'll be able to figure out | [23:04] |
| up_the_irons | up_the_irons swoops into the party
hey all.. looks like i got some scrollback to read... :) up_the_irons reads | [23:06] |
| ballen | heh yea | [23:06] |
| obsidieth | o | [23:09] |
| up_the_irons | i coulda told ya the %m/%d/%Y, it's the most common one ;) (at least for me in the US) | [23:17] |
| ballen | heh yea | [23:17] |
| up_the_irons | obsidieth: i should have a peer list and maybe even a looking glass, but I don't yet, hehe | [23:18] |
| obsidieth | its not that important:p
payment method is whats concerning me at th moment | [23:18] |
| up_the_irons | we can work it out, i'm typing a reply to your email | [23:19] |
| obsidieth | ah ok:p i wouldnt have sent it
oh well, forgot my timezones, thought you would have had more 'vacation' left | [23:20] |
| up_the_irons | still on vacation, but everyone is alseep except me :) | [23:21] |
| obsidieth | ah | [23:21] |
| up_the_irons | you in australia? | [23:21] |
| obsidieth | yep
victorian. | [23:22] |
| up_the_irons | identity verification -- tell me the jellyfish found only on some beaches in Oz that can kill a human in 2 minutes... ;) | [23:23] |
| ballen | box jelly? | [23:24] |
| obsidieth | box ?
:p | [23:25] |
| ballen | hah Discovery Channel FTW | [23:25] |
| up_the_irons | i couple of my friends are from australia, they live in the US now. one from Carns, one from Melbourne, they told me the jellyfish story...
s/i/a/ ballen: obsidieth: I believe you both got it right at the same time | [23:25] |
| obsidieth | we certainly have some nasty critters over here
snakes especially | [23:26] |
| ballen | yea f that noise, not a fan of poisonous snakes | [23:27] |
| up_the_irons | and spiders, oh man the SPIDERS
up_the_irons <-- not a spider fan i was gonna visit Oz until my friend told me about the spiders | [23:28] |
| obsidieth | i am fairly afraid of spiders | [23:29] |
| up_the_irons | obsidieth: just sent a reply to your email btw | [23:29] |
| obsidieth | but in my time here ive only ever seen harmless ones.
10 4 | [23:29] |
| up_the_irons | ah
not the kind that are the size of a bowling ball? ;) | [23:29] |
| obsidieth | we get 'huntsmen' or somethin
which look terrifying but dont hurt humans, they just eat flies | [23:30] |
| up_the_irons | up_the_irons runs | [23:30] |
| obsidieth | http://www.spiderzrule.com/spiderphotos/huntsman241003.jpg :o | [23:31] |
| up_the_irons | obsidieth: what were you looking for in the cidr-report btw? just curious | [23:31] |
| obsidieth | nothing especially, i was talking to my buddy who works in a datacentre who said to check | [23:31] |
| up_the_irons | obsidieth: what's the scale on that bad boy?
is it as huge as it looks? :) | [23:31] |
| obsidieth | probably as big as your palm
or a bit less | [23:32] |
| up_the_irons | f that noise
noooooooooooooo thanks ;) although given i just viewed it on my 15" T61 screen, if it was a 1:1 ratio, i'd be horrified | [23:32] |
| obsidieth | haha. | [23:33] |
| ballen | ugh I'd rather not run into one of those | [23:34] |
| obsidieth | they do creepy stuff
like just hang out on your wall for half a day till you see them | [23:34] |
| up_the_irons | up_the_irons gets chills
that's just wrong | [23:35] |
| obsidieth | 6 month intervals should be fine
i was hoping to try it for a month or something first, but i think this is viable | [23:35] |
| up_the_irons | so u see it in the corner of your eye, and then find out it has been there all day, guh
obsidieth: i'm pretty sure you'll like it anyway, have got raving reviews about my FreeBSD VMs ;) | [23:36] |
| obsidieth | yeah im pretty sure as well. | [23:38] |
| up_the_irons | btw, you guys were talking earlier about pings to Australia being good. let me point out some new text on the website put up last week -- "Latency to Asia and Australia is especially good because we have peers that feed us direct routes to those regions."
-- http://arpnetworks.com/vps :) | [23:38] |
| obsidieth | round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 187.766/188.537/189.798/0.610 ms | [23:39] |
| up_the_irons | cool
i'm getting 191 ms avg to you | [23:40] |
| obsidieth | nice. | [23:41] |
| up_the_irons | is decrypted.org your domain? i like it | [23:41] |
| obsidieth | naw, afraid.org | [23:41] |
| up_the_irons | that one is pretty nice too
have people offered to buy it? :) | [23:41] |
| obsidieth | i mean
afraid.org is a freedns service. free account comes with 5 subdomains from a massive list that people have regged there, decrypted.org is one of them | [23:42] |
| up_the_irons | oh oh, i c
cool | [23:43] |
| obsidieth | yeah its pretty handy, since my isp does free rdns i thought i might as well | [23:43] |
| up_the_irons | yeah, cool | [23:44] |
| obsidieth | ill hang around here, but its just a matter of getting 120$ together up front noww | [23:44] |
| up_the_irons | cool, just register at https://portal.arpnetworks.com when you're ready | [23:45] |
| obsidieth | will do | [23:46] |
| ballen | up_the_irons: did you get my order info and all that jazz | [23:46] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: yup, thanks | [23:46] |
| ballen | coolio | [23:46] |
| up_the_irons | obsidieth: nx
*tnx | [23:47] |
| obsidieth | with say 20$ a month, is there room to change the specs around a little? | [23:48] |
| up_the_irons | obsidieth: yeah, what did you have in mind? | [23:49] |
| ballen | 4GB of RAM, 1GB of HD?
;-) | [23:49] |
| obsidieth | haha, thatl do
when it says dedicated ips, does the 20$ a month just come with a single ip? | [23:50] |
| ballen | trading 19 GB for 3.25 ;-) | [23:50] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: LOL
obsidieth: yeah, just 1 IP of IPv4, and a /48 of IPv6 and you guys thought it was weird to get a whole /48 -- read RFC 3177 ("IAB/IESG Recommendations on IPv6 Address Allocations to Sites") and RFC 5375 ("IPv6 Unicast Address Assignment Considerations") :) | [23:54] |
| obsidieth | the package sounds pretty unbeatable, i just thought i would ask
i have not purchased my own server before, i wanna get it right | [23:56] |
| ballen | yes I know /48 is std to get to a host
give still is wierd what the hell do you need 65k addresses for | [23:58] |
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