[01:16] *** [FBI] starts logging #syminet at Sat Aug 01 01:16:37 2009 [01:16] *** [FBI] has joined #syminet [01:16] you're right [01:16] syminet: ah cool [01:16] is logger your bot? ;-) [01:17] [FBI] is my logger btw ;) [01:17] yup! [01:17] it's new, that url it just printed won't work yet [01:17] *** syminet is now known as mark_ [01:17] *** mark_ is now known as syminet [01:19] that must have made you so grateful! ehehe [01:19] syminet: believe me it did ;) [01:19] but check it out so I goto the back to plug in the cart... and on the back of the server in these little plastic clamps I notice ... a little star wrench! [01:19] grateful x2! [01:20] syminet: hahaha nice! [01:20] mode/syminet [+e] by services. [01:21] ..ok so my nick is regged. ty for the help there. :-) [01:21] ah there ya go, channel is registered [01:21] np at all [01:21] s/channel/nick/ [01:22] so then the other one ... this is part my ignorance here [01:22] syminet: i also hadn't used IRC in years before i worked at Revver a few years ago. the CTO there made everyone use it for comm. now I use it for everything [01:22] i used to be on irc *all the time* back in the mid-late 90's [01:23] quit around 2002. It's kinda l33t tho, considering AIM and all that [01:24] it's great for groups, scrollback, useful bots, etc... [01:24] * syminet nods [01:25] when I first started it was all free accounts and guys would run bots and rename the binaries to things like 'ls' and shit so ps aux and top would look ok. [01:26] until you see that this guys 'ls' has had the same fucken pid for like, 5 hours. =P [01:27] ...yeah that was it, eggdrop. they would rename that. wow... talk about a blast from the past. :-) [01:27] yup! [01:28] irc is so cool that way. It's like the unix of the chatworld or something. :-) [01:29] definitely [01:30] So what about you? If you're nearly out of space... what next? [01:31] i'm not really out of space for my own stuff [01:32] it's just a little hard to sell the space in my carrier cab to any joe off the street [01:32] so i generally say i'm out of space [01:32] tell me about it ... sigh [01:32] but for people i know and trust, i got space [01:32] right on [01:32] my next thing is to (hopefully) fill up the remaining space with virtualization servers [01:33] and once that is filled, it'll generate enough revenue to expand my cage [01:33] right [01:33] so i'd pop in cabinet #4, and just keep going [01:33] at which point it may be easier to sell colo out of [01:34] i guess i'll see it soon enough. three cabs per cage? [01:34] but honestly, colo is really not an attractive business anymore [01:34] i like *big* roomy cabs, so I could only get 3 in my cage, yeah (at its current size) [01:35] i agree - i have only two colo customers and have to deal with unexpected shit like star screwdrivers. [01:35] like I told Dima, I do "friends and family" colo.. as in, if I know you and you're cool, let's rock and roll. But otherwise, it's not really worth it [01:35] fact is, you've been there done that with all the shared BS, etc., ad infinitum [01:36] too many unexpected problems, yeah [01:36] and jeez, the margins blow, and i mean BLOW [01:36] amen to that [01:36] ppl don't understand the cost of power, cabinets, strips, cables, etc.. etc.. [01:37] why bill $100 when it costs you $90? there are easier ways to make $10 ;) [01:37] its google and facebook ... free everything, right? [01:37] yahoo mail... [01:38] all the flaky assholes who promise "unlimited bandwidth and domains" for $6/month... [01:38] yeah, like you've probably seen in my FB/Twitter updates, Google can really do damage [01:38] if Google decides to compete w/ EC2 and give away free VMs, I gotta look for another business model ;) [01:39] right [01:39] cuz at that point I can kiss my VPS biz goodbye [01:39] but how the fuck are they affording all this? their ads CANNOT be supporting the kind of infrastructure they have. [01:40] InMotion Hosting, a good company (you've probably met Todd), gives like 200GB of disk space for like $10 or something.. that's crazy, i don't wanna compete with that ;) [01:40] syminet: why not? their ads make a metric f*ck ton of money [01:42] they do but not that much? I advertised with them, didn't pay much and got not a single lead (3 years ago, keywords: "Debian dedicated servers server") [01:42] gmail, google apps... no way man. [01:42] but man, some search terms are like $30 per click [01:42] Never met Todd - is he the one who bought the corpcolo cage? [01:42] yup [01:43] The blonde guy - OK yeah I've seen him but he looked busy so I didn't bother him. [01:43] that's him [01:44] cool [01:44] syminet: btw, do u have dual power supplies in the server u wanna colo with me? [01:45] (deciding which power strip to put you on) [01:45] no. that would cost like, money and stuff. ;-) [01:45] hahaha [01:45] ok [01:46] Of course, my PDU's were setup for that... I mean it was two plugs. [01:47] on the same circuit. =P [01:47] so dumb ;) [01:47] You should see their catalog. "We run 911 centers!" [01:47] jesus [01:47] http://www.digitalloggers.com/ [01:48] Military radio recorder! [01:49] haha [01:51] syminet: how many IPs are u gonna need? [01:51] i'm writing up your service order [01:51] ok remembering... i think i went to rma one and the guy who called me had such a thick chinese accent i could barely understand. [01:51] jee [01:51] *jeez [01:52] 1 IP subnet (/30) is included; additional are 50 cents per IP [01:53] you'll get a free IPv6 /48 block too :) [01:53] eheheehehe amen to that. [01:53] how much if I do two with a single IP each? Any diff in price? [01:55] btw I was thinking of emailing Robert Cresswell and asking him if he might be interested in sharing a cab, so we can *properly* share power. =P [01:55] I told him you're starting in the space business and he got your email from me after that. [01:55] syminet: IPs are independent of the servers, so if you need 2 IPs, it'd bump you up to a 8 IP block (/30 = 4 IPs, 1 usable, /29 = 8 IPs, 5 usable) [01:56] syminet: haha, funny :) [01:56] understood. [01:57] hahah [02:00] basically 2U then + an 8IP block. The 1U @ $79 is done but I'm considering my phone systems and/or a personal server. [02:02] If I have another backup nameserver with you, / [02:03] then my phone systems could be hosted on it but better to put this into its own place, too. [02:04] syminet: oh, hehe, i'm already done writing it up for 1U ;) [02:05] just sent it out [02:05] no worries [02:05] if u want to start right away with 2U, no problem, just let me know and i'll amend it [02:05] amend plz [02:05] ok [02:05] * up_the_irons fiddles [02:06] * syminet understands ... sry [02:07] np [02:07] oh, i actually had the due at signing wrong anyway on the first one... [02:08] so we averted unnecessary extras ... excellent! :-) [02:09] syminet: with 2 servers, i'll give ya 2 switch ports, but in the future know beyond that and you'd need your own switch [02:09] syminet: LOL, it was wrong in your favor ;) [02:09] can I take it back? [02:09] ;-) [02:10] ok. Aaron suggested a 3550 series? I believe. Bang for the buck. [02:11] syminet: revised sent [02:11] 3550 is good, yeah [02:11] it really depends if u need Gig ports [02:12] lots of the Cisco 10/100 high density switches are dirt cheap (and good) b/c they have very few GigE ports [02:14] but take e.g. mysql replicated situation - the switch needs GigE locally, but internetbound is different. [02:14] correct [02:15] so you try to get a good 48 port 10/100/1000 switch, even just for internal communication, and the price really gets up there [02:15] charged for anything going out of the outhouse. :-) [02:15] hehe [02:19] syminet: btw, are you getting some use out of the /24 block i gave ya a while back? [02:20] LAX01 ... ehehe [02:23] hehe [02:23] I am using them, but will not just run up to a customer and say "IP Change!" ... that's increasingly a bad thing to do. [02:26] syminet: right [02:28] so we take it more carefully. I'm trying to decide if it should be the firetruck, or the paramedics. [02:28] :-) [02:29] syminet: yeah, well, in general no need to renumber at all; just put new customers on it [02:54] syminet: hah, got it working: http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com [02:56] it's working perfectly here. [02:57] geez.. so what am I going to do when I'm acting like a drunken idiot? :-) [02:58] and new customers will be on it - but I tend to stress dedicated. [03:02] btw Dima is a supercool person! I think I pissed him off with a deal I had with ticketmaster. [03:02] syminet: feel free to /kick [FBI] whenever you want (actually if you just tell him "off", he'll leave), it's mainly just me playing around with the bot.. [03:02] syminet: yeah Dima is cool.. but why'd a TM deal piss him off? [03:03] He was right! Those guys are a problem and no one should deal with them. [03:03] It's an interesting deal. Dima is like, a soulful purist. And I respect that totally. [03:04] yeah he's very much a purist [03:04] But I had to get those IP's in order to pay for their servers (6 machines) ... [03:05] ticketmaster is a shady company, so i'm not surprised [03:05] I knew it was a (very) dark grey thing, but corpcolo got me some blocks. [03:05] I knew if I could keep them for say, 6 months - I could pay for their servers [03:06] (the new ones I bought for them) [03:06] ticketmaster is a joke! anyway... [03:06] you had to get new blocks just for ticketmaster? [03:07] this was 2-3 years ago but I got a couple blocks. [03:08] were they big? [03:08] they did pay for the servers, anyway. [03:08] And they left. [03:08] at least u got the server cost back [03:08] And I sold them to better people. [03:08] right. [03:08] nice [03:09] syminet: what kinda servers are u buying these days? i remember years ago u had those super low power ones [03:09] same [03:10] wow [03:10] cool [03:10] but they are supermicro (I don't build each one myself anymore) [03:10] i like supermicro; my 2 latest servers are pretty beefy supermicro's [03:11] I think it's good to go with a company that understands what you are trying to say. :-) [03:11] hahaha [03:11] hrmm .. brb [03:12] k [03:21] *** [FBI] starts logging #syminet at Sat Aug 01 03:21:59 2009 [03:21] *** [FBI] has joined #syminet [03:23] cool, got [FBI] in runit, so it is supervised [03:24] I remember once we piped MegaHAL into channels [03:24] It was hysterical [03:25] oh nice [03:26] i should run a megahal bot [03:29] I have your agreement - but would like to sign it electronically and/or is there a web-place to provide billing details? [03:29] an https place? [03:30] syminet: you remember the portal? https://portal.arpnetworks.com [03:30] unfortunately, there is no place to enter billing info there [03:30] I do [03:31] syminet: do you have my GPG pub key? you can just encrypt it and email it to me [03:36] no [03:37] I understand the principle but the details have escaped (via trying to verify almost anoyone in mutt - it always fails!) [03:37] *anyone [03:37] syminet: don't worry about it if it is a pain [03:38] we'll see each other in person, you can just gimme the billing info then [03:38] no worries - check your inbox. [03:38] * up_the_irons checks [03:39] syminet: that works, u r brave :) [03:39] i know. [03:39] its to you, i hope i don't regret it plz. ;-) [03:39] delete it! [03:39] :-) [03:40] brb (my neighbor just got home with like 6 girls) [03:40] syminet: i'm just worried about all the networks that email traversed before it got to me (unencrypted) ;) [03:40] omg [03:40] You're completely right. [03:40] argh [03:41] I'll watch that card daily [03:41] hrm brb [03:41] hehe [03:41] take yer time (6 girls, yowza) [03:51] its 3. I'm totally serious man I live on Main St. HB. [03:53] bah - I've been drinking too much too (as usual) - I'm so sharded. [03:55] But what you sent Subject: Revised earlier is definitely a go. [03:57] syminet: ah cool [03:58] syminet: next week is a real busy week for me, so we'll see about setting up then. perhaps next weekend or early the following week [04:00] sounds good. [04:00] cool! [04:01] let me know when it went through OK ... so I can call the bank to cancel the card. ;-) [04:01] haha [04:01] syminet: u have rails for the servers, yes? [04:01] not yet. I don't know enough about it to sell it. [04:02] It would be dishonest to sell it if I didn't really know what I was doing. [04:02] syminet: the rackmount rails? [04:02] :) [04:02] oh! uhm you meant not the ruby-type [04:03] Yes - I have plenty. [04:03] yep [04:03] ok great [04:03] cuz i don't do shelves [04:03] ;) [04:03] you did with me tho baby. ;-) [04:03] hahah [04:03] yeah but now i make the rules ;) [04:04] can we rail one, then not rail (use a board) - this has proven really helpful here. [04:04] so we rail each other one [04:04] if not, no probs. [04:05] sorry, but we gotta rail everything so it is secure [04:05] np [04:05] i have like 1 unrailed server and i'm gonna take it out [04:05] so no more boards from home depot measured to size? :-D [04:06] syminet: nope ;) [04:06] I mean hey ... it woerkz!!! [04:07] i had to use books last time, but that cuz freakin CorpColo lost the rails to one box of mine that they moved, and I *specifically* told them to put the rails in my cabinet. I made very clearn instructions, that was like #1. and of course, they dropped the ball... [04:07] pisses me off [04:09] I bought like, a CD-plugin (5" box) and found it was nearly the width - and so I could shove pamphelts and motherboard manuals along the top and it worked! [04:09] WELCOME TO THE ENTERPIRISE [04:09] *ENTERPRISE [04:09] brb [04:11] haha [04:12] it shouldn't be this way. ever. people call me anal but you *really* need to make sure. [04:17] I also bought a special 10" monitor - put it in my cab with a keyboard. One night I came in to work... and it was gone. [04:18] Victor was totally cool about it - gave me the combo to the cage - but that cage has since been sold. [04:19] syminet: they took your monitor out of your cab? [04:24] no way to prove that - I dont think it was intentional. [04:26] possible i was dumb enough to leave it on the floor. its ok i let it go. [04:27] i put it in there for obvious reasons tho ... !! so i would have it as opposed to making sure i had something in the trunk at all times. [04:28] right [04:28] less worrying... [04:28] best to take care of it yourself and not worry [04:29] the guy with me was like, "I thought this was a secure facility?" [04:29] (customer) [04:29] LOL [04:29] talk about backpedaling ... argh [04:30] hehe [04:31] * up_the_irons is hungry [04:31] cd $kitchen [04:31] cat $food >> kitchen