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jorey-- ***: jorey_ is now known as jorey bcallah: nice
it's 8AM on a Satuday, and loud noises are going on outside
wtf
now the whole house is vibrating -: bcallah h9 life jorey: my neighbours got way more civil in the last 2 years, but before you'd hear them at the weirdest times, 3am on weekdays, 5am on sunday, etc
always yelling. or singing. or crying. or having the tv at max volume.
*sundays bcallah: it feels like someone is drilling through concrete jorey: sucks, fortunately that doesn't happen too often. (or does it?) bcallah: idk
I'm moving soon
so jorey: good luck with that, hope it won't be stressful. i hate moving. bcallah: oh the move isn't stressful at all
I'm moving to where I'm starting my PhD work
so no stress
just joy that I'm gtfo'ing jorey: great) ***: overrider has quit IRC (Quit: ...and disappears in a cloud of smoke | http://bsdguides.org)
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PhD o.O I don't veen have BSc :P
s/ve/ev/ BryceBot: <xpt> PhD o.O I don't even haev BSc :P xpt: s/ve/ev/1 BryceBot: <xpt> PhD o.O I don't even have BSc :P bcallah: lol
I'm watching "Linux sucks 2014"
LibreSSL makes the list
guy is so dumb, he doesn't understand anything
not only does he think LibreSSL is a linux thing, he thinks it'll get absorbed back into opensl xpt: what would be the point to make ssl linux-only ? o.O CosmiCruz: xpt!!! <3 bcallah: huh?
no
he thinks libressl is a linux project
because he's an idiot CosmiCruz: bcallah!!! <3 bcallah: he's the "social media manager" for suse
meaning he a "linux" "lolexpert" jorey: i'll never understand how people can be in pr while not having a clue what they're talking about xpt: CosmiCruz!!! bcallah: that's like the #1 prereq for being in pr
because if you knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't want to say anything jorey: if you have any standards and a basic understanding of ethics, anyways xpt: I have a standard which is "fuck the standards and gtfo"
jorey: ^ can i be pr? jorey: no, you don't seem to be a compulsive liar.
sorry. xpt: :'( kusuriya: bcallah: I made a note of that here when mr lunduke posted his hour long rant i mean presentation on how bad forks are
and chose all projects that had valid architectual or philisophical reasons to fork bcallah: kusuriya: ah, I must have missed that
yeah he seems like someone who doesn't understand anything kusuriya: I also posted on his video just for the hell of it "If you are going to rant about forks atleast try to understand why the fork was made since some of them are very valid like libREssl since that is a OpenBSD project to bring OpenSSL up to the code standards of OpenBSD and it is very doubtful it will ever be absorbed back into OpenSSL" bcallah: lol
I bet no response was had kusuriya: none bcallah: since what you said reflects reality kusuriya: because when it comes to forks he has 0 clue about them
and just opposes them because "it splits labor" bcallah: it's the same argument as people who tell me "why don't you just work on linux because it's bigger?"
because I don't want to work on linux... it's not dividing labor... because I'm never gonna contribute there kusuriya: pretty much if you have an idea that due to politcal reasons has been shut down go fuck yourself bcallah: yup kusuriya: and just work on the project that shut you out
Ask Con Korvalis how well that works :P xpt: can you link the original video or it's confident? (: bcallah: lol kusuriya: xpt: its all over youtube it is a speach bryan lunduke gives every year at Linux Fest NW
I can track it down through
and every year the first bullet point that he rails on and spends time on is forks
2 years in a row pulse audio made that fork example list but now that it is the defacto standard because ALSA fell so far behind xpt: oh "Linux Sucks 2014" was actuall title :)
s/ll/l BryceBot: <xpt> oh "Linux Sucks 2014" was actual title :) kusuriya: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pOxlazS3zs BryceBot: YouTube Entertainment: ""Linux Sucks" - 2014" by Bryan Lunduke (44m 59s), 71,870 views, 1,954 likes and 137 dislikes. Uploaded 2014-04-28T23:21:09.000Z. xpt: kusuriya: Thanks. kusuriya: no problem jorey: i love how he said it's easier to contribute to openssl when it was *really* ward to contribute since they decided to just ignore issues and patches kusuriya: bryan lunduke is off in the camp of everyone working on an OSS operating system should turn and work on the most popular solutions to a problem and make one unified operating sytem
so people can stop complaining about how disjointed "linux" is jorey: s/ward/hard/ BryceBot: <jorey> i love how he said it's easier to contribute to openssl when it was *really* hard to contribute since they decided to just ignore issues and patches kusuriya: jorey: yeah for the most part in one of his vlogs he responds to how much flame he got over how easy it was to contribute to openSSL
when people showed him that even if you submitted bug fixes for things like heartbleed they never got pulled in
and trying to remove ancient code like the win16 compatibility you would be shuned jorey: or they saw a well written patch and decided to deploy their own faulty one kusuriya: most of openSSLs problem was the management for it was just 2 or 3 people bcallah: and he probably ignored it kusuriya: with only one of them being paid bcallah: because he's dum
b mcchunkie: Incorrect answer for G8A10, bcallah. 0 / 1 bcallah: mcchunkie: lolwut? jorey: @savingthrow BryceBot: jorey: Rolling 1d20... Need 5 or higher... ***: jorey was kicked by BryceBot (Rolled a natural 1, automatic failure! Aw hell, man.) kusuriya: dumb or busy ***: jorey has joined #devious kusuriya: but yeah for the most part brian has a lot of good points in his presentation
but he is normally pretty far off base when it comes to forks bcallah: idk, don't know anything about him other than that video kusuriya: like if we followed Brians idea of what we should do everyone should drop everything linux and start working on ubuntu
and gnome 3 jorey: bcallah: well, i only watched the "fork" comments at the beginning of the talk, but right after he started ranting about X11, and he may have a point there, depending on what exactly he rants about. kusuriya: and um no jorey: but i stopped watching, so i can't tell whether he actually did have a point :) kusuriya: he does but its the same point he has had a few years running
it is X is old
like anchient jorey: mhm kusuriya: and it needs to be replaced or rewritten
and conanical needs to stop with MIR and hop on Wayland and get X replaced ASAP
since the only reason for MIR was Not made in house syndrome jorey: last i heard, it also sucks to "package" since it really is just a bunch of loosely related modules with tons of different versions and little coherency or something - but i wouldn't know either, that's just hearsay and frankly i never had to work on/with x11 short of using it. kusuriya: and Wayland is a lot further along than mir
that is true
when freedesktop split xorg up into modules to make it easier to work on parts of it
it made it a nightmare to keep up to date
but yeah normally hes dead on but he just doesnt get why people fork jorey: okay, thanks qbit: halla bcallah: qbit: o/ kusuriya: although I did find my favorite response to one of brians rants about forking in 2012
"If you are totally against forks we should do it by project age and everyone should abandon linux right now and get to work on FreeBSD." bcallah: 386BSD
also, isn't netbsd technically older by like a day or something?
:D kusuriya: im not actually sure bcallah: I know free and net were both 1993 kusuriya: all I know is they both evolved from 4.4bBSD bcallah: yer kusuriya: which is still much older than Linux :P bcallah: tr00f jorey: SysV kusuriya: SysV4lyf
@tdr BryceBot: Theo de Raadt says: That's because you have been slacking. jorey: indeed theo, indeed. -: bcallah has been slacking ***: Lexa has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)
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rinix?! bcallah: fleebsd ***: Lexa has joined #devious qbit: what is the name of the emacs icb client? Nei: zen icb? ***: Jome has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) Nei: thre is also a icb.el somewher qbit: nice ***: Jome has joined #devious qbit: thanks Nei :D jorey: you're welcome. Nei: irssi also works >_> qbit: Nei: i be usin irssi right meow
for both irc and icb
:) Nei: and xmpp and silc qbit: and a few of your scripts :D Nei: o/ qbit: xmpp with bitlbee? jorey: $50 one of them is adv_windowlist.pl qbit: or is there something more awesome? Nei: no, irssi-xmpp qbit: nice! Nei: native > bridge irc server shit
its a loudmouth client jorey: s/ (?=one)/ says / BryceBot: <jorey> $50 says one of them is adv_windowlist.pl qbit: jorey: is
Nei: nice! Nei: works ok enough for my mucs qbit: and it's already in ports Nei: ha really?! I compile it myself... qbit: is on 5.4 even Nei: then again I patch irssi
emacs is a good OS too... circe is the best irc client for it I think qbit: i have only ever used rcirc Nei: the gnu emacs builtin thin
I'm still minxing between xemacs and gnu emacs, pkgs are better + more + up to date for gnu but I damn miss my zmacsregoins
transient hilight shit my ass, RMS qbit: what are zmacsregoins? bcallah: qbit: lol... and why do you think zenicb is in ports ;-) Nei: *Zmacs Regions, it's like the visible selection in modern day editors -: qbit has only been using emacs since May 31, 2014 :D Nei: but it behaves quite different in gnu where something similar is available as transient mark mode qbit: bcallah: ya kusuriya: I already have carpal tunnel and the starts of arthritus I dont need to use emacs :P Nei: difficult to describe but really annoying if you are customed to being able to "edit" the visible selection qbit: kusuriya: i would get wrist paings on a normal keyboard.. but on the ergodox
ffff
nada Nei: gnu emacs will always lose the selection, very similar to most other modern day editors
and require you to keep shift key held down kusuriya: qbit: Clinically I have carpals that are twice the side they should be
it wont matter what type of keyboard I use its going to hurt :P
s/side/size/ BryceBot: <kusuriya> qbit: Clinically I have carpals that are twice the size they should be jorey: kusuriya: aww shit :/ qbit: kusuriya: well there ya go :D
might as well emacs then :D kusuriya: jorey: it has an upside ***: overrider has quit IRC (Quit: ...and disappears in a cloud of smoke | http://bsdguides.org) kusuriya: I took up climbing and it makes my grip solid ***: overrider has joined #devious
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http://gifsound.com/?gif=i.imgur.com/saavpT2.gif&v=z6EjyL-l60Y ***: FreezingCold has quit IRC (Quit: Out)
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you? SirSkidmore: Pretty okay
can't really complain jorey: did you get your vs license key? ***: FreezingCold has joined #devious SirSkidmore: jorey: no lol
I fucking hate my internship jorey: they really want you to be useful, i guess forgotten: lol SirSkidmore: and they basically told me to stop working on not-work things forgotten: super glue a lock once a week, will make you feel better. SirSkidmore: because by contract says anything I do at the company is there IP
s/re/ir/ BryceBot: <SirSkidmore> because by contract says anything I do at the company is their IP SirSkidmore: so basically. I'm wasting my time bcallah: what were you doing there? jorey: he consumed oxygen and removed carbon dioxide from his body, using the oxygen for all kinds of metabolisms. the company now claims IP on this process. bcallah: would not surprise
sadly xpt: jorey: I pee in work. But that's not what they expect me to do all day long.
SirSkidmore: ^ jorey: you shouldn't do that. you know how they say "you get the best ideas in the bathroom"? yeah, they'll claim IP on those ideas. SirSkidmore: bcallah: I had a rails project
that took me a week and a half
I havem't done anything else
I haven't seen the project they initially hired me to work on or anything like that jorey: try to change that situation. if you can't: does it look good enough to make up for it on your CV? if not: leave.
unless you're happy with the situation of course, in that case do as you please
i'm gonna get dinner
i should note i have no idea what the job market is like over there, so if ending an internship (if possible) would be a bad thing for your career for w/e reason, you may not want to do that.
s/if/if at all/ BryceBot: <jorey> i should note i have no idea what the job market is like over there, so if at all ending an internship (if at all possible) would be a bad thing for your career for w/e reason, you may not want to do that. jorey: +grammar bcallah: SirSkidmore: so you get to hang out ***: alive4ever has quit IRC (Quit: Disconnected) SirSkidmore: bcallah: well yeah
and I was reading k&r at work
and building toy C projects
but they told me not to
so now they're basically paying me to sit around
jorey: oh no, I've thought about leaving a lot this past week, but they're giving me $14/hr to do absolutely nothing, and I really need the money bcallah: you can't even read k&r?
reading isn't generating IP
so I don't see the confluct
s/u/i/ BryceBot: <bcallah> so I don't see the conflict SirSkidmore: bcallah: I can still read
just not make toy things
to go along with reading bcallah: ah
at least you can read
hang out on irc
if they want to pay you for that, then they're stupid CosmiCruz: bcallah and SirSkidmore!!! <3 bcallah: CosmiCruz: o/ CosmiCruz: o
what's going on, bcallah? bcallah: slacking
it's good times -: SirSkidmore decided to just take this weekend, play some games and play banjo bcallah: ding linga ling ling country bumpkin jorey: bcallah: if you read, you may have thoughts. thoughts are IP!!!!111
bcallah: (problem is, if you don't read, you may also have thoughts.) bcallah: yeah but those thoughts are probably "pizza!" which can't be copyrighted jorey: "man, i'd totally kill for some pizza right now!" would be copyrightable (or trademarkable or whatever the fuck i don't understand your system over there)
though
i assume, anyways.
anyways, "LET'S GET READY TO RUUUUUUUUMBBBBBBBBBBLLLLLLLEE" bcallah: no it can't
it has to be novel jorey: as novel as "i'm lovin' it" bcallah: yup
sadly that's novel
I never said the bar was high jorey: hehe
fair enough
btw i found a subreddit today that may easily become one of my favorites: http://www.reddit.com/r/abandonedporn
right after /r/scotch and /r/pipetobacco.
oh, it's safe for work. kusuriya: i also like http://www.reddit.com/r/hellscapeporn
SFW jrick: http://runtimejs.org/ -: jrick doesn't want to live on this planet anymore bcallah: jrick: you can sign up for a 1-way ticket to mars jrick: bcallah: latency is too much
maybe the moon kusuriya: I wanted to leave this planet a while ago https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/ jrick: haha their examples are amazing
z = if x < y true else false end
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forf is srsly a word
nbdjs CosmiCruz: qbit!!! <3 qbit: CosmiCruz: o/
sup mang CosmiCruz: o
not much, sir
how's it going by you? qbit: good
better if i could get this raid vol working the way i want
stabraid CosmiCruz: lol, <3 mr qbit ***: function is now known as trout
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no luck yet bcallah: fuck it, who cares? ***: kbw has joined #devious kbw: qbit, D: qbit: muahaha CosmiCruz: qbit <3s you :P jorey: bcallah++ mordac: afternoon all jorey: evening. mordac: jorey: sweden, as i recall? jorey: no, germany
you may be thinking of dxtr mordac: ah, perhaps. jorey: i'm trying to remember when someone first told me about devio.us. i think it must've been 2010-2011, is that possible?
and oddly enough, i can't recall having heard about it ever since until bcallah mentioned it in a different channel. kbw: fuck bcallah: jorey: what channel was that? kbw: I forgot to MAKEDEV my USB device when installing jorey: bsdnow
# bcallah: oh
lol
the channel which shall not be named jorey: ya
*yes
maybe it's like beetlejuice, if we mention it three times..
http://devio.us/forums/topic/16/we-are-live/ <- i guess that's very much possible kbw: bcallah, are you not fond of the BSDNow people?
Oh
Nevermind jorey: he hates them, that's why he gave them an interview :D
nothing like insulting someone on stream. he kind of forgot that part though. ***: u0m3 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
u0m3 has joined #devious kbw: jorey, bcallah was insulted on his interview? jorey: nah. i was trying to make a silly joke of the "he's not fond of the bsdnow crowd, so he agreed to an interview so he could insult them on stream" kind. kbw: ah jorey: but i suck at jokes, so.. kbw: I talked to allan jude once in #freebsd
He seemed like a more server oriented person
Whereas I have no servers to run BSD on :/ ***: xpt has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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kbw has quit IRC (Disconnected by services) bcallah: if you ignore it, it will leave
btw, secret bonus software for people who have accounts on wolfman
there's a solitaire suite now
type cpat to get started
it's not part of OpenBSD ports
DO NOT SUBMIT A PORT OF IT
it's one of my porting lessons for my august nycbug talk
but no reason we can't all enjoy it CosmiCruz: o/ qbit: jrick: http://pkgname.com/
Don't mention 'go' in your package name. Go is implicit in any package. Go is absolute and infinitesimal. Other languages should rename their packages; for instance 'rails-ruby' and 'python-django' would remove any ambiguity.
protip: Don't mention 'go' in your package name. Go is implicit in any package. Go is absolute and infinitesimal. Other languages should rename their packages; for instance 'rails-ruby' and 'python-django' would remove any ambiguity. CosmiCruz: qbit: o/
protip? mcchunkie: irssi segfaults on 5.4 if you do /last on an icb channel bcallah: lol is that true? qbit: CosmiCruz: o
was for a while :D jrick: qbit: yeah? CosmiCruz: jrick!!! <3 qbit: jrick: yeah
jrick: have you seen Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet
? jrick: I was actually debating starting to watch that today lol qbit: nice
if you do - le tme know what you thing ;D jrick: k BryceBot: New OpenBSD snapshots for socppc! (Sat Jun 28 2014 15:46:03 GMT-0700(PDT)) jrick: actually, I need to go watch the new korra episodes qbit: wut
new LoK? :O jrick: book 3 yeah qbit: holyshit -: qbit eyes sickbeard qbit: /home/media/TVShows/The Legend of Korra (dir is missing)
goddamnit Lefty: brycec: I'm here now, what's up juanfra: openbsd users with a twitter account: https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/commit/6f662f0fb5f0da2534d63d150aa2d8d487b37e05 BryceBot: Github Commit: "+net/corebird. Twitter client written in vala. by Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado" Lefty: (have been moving) bcallah: holy crap juanfra speaks!
sadly, no twitta here CosmiCruz: s/tt/st BryceBot: <bcallah> sadly, no twista here juanfra: bcallah: I don't have the time to read the channel these days CosmiCruz: ohai juanfra bcallah: juanfra: what have you been up to lately? juanfra: nothing, literally XD bcallah: lol
then how do you not have time to read the channel?
:D juanfra: apparently I'm less productive in the laptop screen
1024x768 is not enought for IRC D:
and I need to work on some ports
maybe you're interested in one of them
http://www.gr-lida.org/
upstream is a friend of mine
a frontend for emulators but you can use only as a catalog bcallah: juanfra: what machine you using that you only have 1024x768?
and hell yes, shit like that is awesome to port juanfra: thinkpad x61s bcallah: as per my quote, that edd@ hilarious used in one of his emails to ports@: "OpenBSD - the premier retro gaming platform" juanfra: that's true. We have various devs interested in emulator and games.
but you know, openbsd is not a OS for the desktop and blah blah blah :P
an OS* bcallah: all lies
port it - make it happen!
also, I've decided to fight back against this emacs nonsense going on in here
and I ported a webkit browser controlled like vi
(vimb, for the interested) juanfra: my only problem with emacs is the lack of functionality to show the tabs like in vim
there is a minor mode for this but the config is a mess
and there is a browser with vim key bindings
do you know xombrero?
:P
the problem is the upstream, people hates him bcallah: yes, but this one works
:D
just posted to openbsd-wip
gogogogogogo juanfra: I will take a look tomorow. My i386 machine needs a update.
omg, my english is so crappy as always XD ***: conormc_ has joined #devious bcallah: o/
your english is better than my spanish
so ***: xha has quit IRC ()
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org-mode is the nectar of emacs ***: ampharos was kicked by bcallah (lols)
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zcrayfish is now known as Guest61318 bcallah: juanfra: since you like twitter, you should port this - http://mikutter.hachune.net juanfra: the client is ugly
this is better http://turpial.org.ve/
if you like multicolunm clients bcallah: lol
I picked that with no concern for usability.
just the fact that it was Hatsune Miku (or whatever her name is)
jrick will probably corrent me jrick: <- doesn't know who that is bcallah: you're our resident weeaboo
so
@wiki Hatsune Miku BryceBot: Hatsune Miku :: Hatsune Miku (初音ミク), sometimes referred to as Miku Hatsune, is a humanoid persona voiced by a singing synthesizer application developed by Crypton Future Media, headquartered in Sapporo city. She uses Yamaha Corporation's Vocaloid 2 and Vocaloid 3 singing synthesizing technologies. She also uses Crypton Future Media's Piapro Studio, a singing synthesizer VSTi... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatsune%20Miku bcallah: oh look I spelled it right jrick: qbit: you start watching book 3 yet?
I just finished the 3 episodes
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ChanServ sets mode: +v CosmiCruz CosmiCruz: o/ mordac: the excelium ipad mount came from massdrop
it is very nice
but screw you guys for showing me massdrop, i already have a multi item wishlist CosmiCruz: lol, mordac :P mordac: ;) ***: CosmiCruz has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) BryceBot: New OpenBSD snapshots for i386! (Sat Jun 28 2014 18:03:54 GMT-0700(PDT))
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dun spoil
:D BryceBot: New OpenBSD snapshots for hppa! (Sat Jun 28 2014 19:11:48 GMT-0700(PDT))
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