#devious 2014-06-25,Wed

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brycec>.>
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kusuriyathe fbi would pin a medal on us [16:23]
forgottenhaha [16:33]
mianosmat least the bot tells you it is logging and blogging everything? [16:41]
kyl[FBI]: MAX ON [16:46]
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kylI love how the FBI is actually ICE and is using a commercial VPS likely running on a dead operating system [16:55]
bcallahhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGs2w5vbJHE [17:00]
BryceBotYouTube News: "19-Year-Old Accidental Politician Sworn In On Quran" by The Young Turks (2m 45s), 40,971 views, 1,362 likes and 42 dislikes. Uploaded 2014-06-25T03:30:00.000Z. [17:00]
bcallahthis is the county I live in [17:00]
kylbcallah: THE MUSLIMS ARE TAKIN OVER
sorry the islams
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Lefty'slams [17:08]
bcallahlol
the funny part is he's literally the only one who voted
so the idiot wrote himself in as a joke
and now he technically is part of the steering committee for the republican party
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LeftyI was wondering how someone accidentally becomes a politician
"whoops, I tripped into this pile of dirty money"
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bcallahlol [17:15]
kylwhoops i accidentally ran for office [17:16]
bcallahand won [17:16]
kyli thought it was all part of an MMORPG [17:16]
bcallahwhat do you mean I don't get any XP for this?!?!?! [17:16]
kylslash ARG [17:16]
bcallahalso, it's a republican phenomenon here
the democrats have way more seats filled
at least in the county
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trafficoneit's just a RG
an RG? ENERGYL
bflah!
this keyboard makes questions so difficults!
ALL STATEMENTS ALL TNHE TIME
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ampharoshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LP5WB6OXv1g wut [17:29]
BryceBotYouTube News: "Smutny Autobus" by Ministerstwo Spraw Wewnętrznych (2m 10s), 737,252 views, 2,738 likes and 10,185 dislikes. Uploaded 2014-06-23T06:24:20.000Z. [17:29]
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BryceBotNew OpenBSD snapshots for amd64! (Wed Jun 25 2014 17:15:52 GMT-0700(PDT))
New OpenBSD snapshots for i386! (Wed Jun 25 2014 17:17:56 GMT-0700(PDT))
New OpenBSD snapshots for macppc! (Wed Jun 25 2014 17:19:18 GMT-0700(PDT))
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CosmiCruzwhere's everybody? :(
!tell qbit ohai sir
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zdoCosmiCruz: I'll tell qbit next time they speak. [19:54]
blackjacki just wonder. how does openbsd compares too freebsd in terms of being light weight OS? [19:56]
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bcallahblackjack: this question feels malformed, maybe you should figure out what you actually want [20:22]
blackjacki was just asking,.. given that both freebsd/netbsd/openbsd does perform almost the same thing. ANd quite the same characteristics, i just wonder which of them are more of a light weight OS [20:24]
bcallahthe question makes no useful sense
what are you trying to *do* with the system?
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blackjackcoz i just want a better platform where my resources are used efficiently
does i just wanted to know which. But i think all 3 are tied with that aspect i guess
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kusuriyayes but what are you trying to do with the platform each BSD does a different task a bit better [20:37]
blackjacklike which would be a better webserver? [20:38]
kusuriyaopenBSD for example is super secure and makes for great secure systems and is used as a router and firewall in commercial producs
FreeBSD tends to make a great workstation
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blackjackok kusuriya tell me what are each platforms good at?
ok
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kusuriyaNetBSD runs on many platforms
thats pretty much the basic rundown
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blackjackok
how about the commercial wifi routers
are they also running with that sort of thing? "netbsd"?
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kusuriyacommercial wifi routers at the consumer level run a linux usually
at the enterprise level its a mix of mostly linux with some Open and FreeBSD scattered in there
since BSD's tend to have spartan wifi support compared to linux
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kapuNetBSD is still vulnerable to RSA timing attacks agains ssl i think [20:43]
kusuriyayeah im not sure if they fixed that [20:43]
bcallah23:36 < blackjack> coz i just want a better platform where my resources are used efficiently [20:49]
kusuriyaeven in the far future that is scifi, villians seem to not understand just because you smash a control panel doesnt mean you disabled the thing you were trying to disable just means you made it impossible to tell if it was running [20:49]
brycecWhen it comes to vague, nebulous "which is the most lightweight" questions, I turn to the install ISO for an answer: (Base i386) OpenBSD 222MB, NetBSD 314MB, FreeBSD 564MB [20:50]
bcallahthen you might as well know in advance exactly how many resources you need, and build something around that
because if you have, for example, 16GB of RAM, it's a waste
you're machine isn't using all of it
so your efficiency is crap
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brycecbrycec has 16GB of RAM
*your machine
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bcallahlol yeah [20:50]
kusuriya32gb of ram here [20:50]
brycectl;dr OpenBSD is leanest of the major BSDs [20:50]
kusuriyaim not worried about light :P [20:50]
bcallahkusuriya: o/ [20:51]
kusuriyao [20:51]
bcallahI have 8 here, and I really can't use it all
even with all the ports building I do
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kusuriyasame here
the closest i got to putting a dent in it was compiling libreoffice
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brycecChrome does its damnedest though :) [20:51]
bcallahlol
I don't have that issue with FF
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kusuriyabefore i realized OpenBSD's ports were quite up to date [20:51]
brycec(Though FireFox still leaks like a sieve for me and will consume waaaay more than Chrome ever has) [20:51]
kusuriyayeah Fx gets better each release [20:52]
bcallahI guess maybe too it's how you use it
for instance, I don't leave a browser running 24/7
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kusuriyathey have a large contenget of people comitted to plugging leaks [20:52]
bcallahI'll click a link, look at it, then close FF [20:52]
brycecI left FF running with 4 tabs over the weekend once (at work), came back and it was using 7.1GB and everything that could be swapped to disk had been.
^^ out of 8GB on that machine
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bcallahso I never have a browser open for more than 30 minutes
and 30 minutes is super long
it's usually more like 5
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brycecheh [20:53]
kusuriyaFx fails mostly between suspends
for me
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bcallahperhaps this is why I'm constantly confused when people complain about browsers [20:53]
kusuriyait will sleep at 500mb [20:53]
lteoTIL bcallah only watches 5 min videos [20:53]
brycecBasically bcallah uses his browser like he would a car, and doesn't leave it idling 24/7
Good Guy bcallah
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kusuriyaand wake at 1.5gb
and be slow as hell
Even if you give Fx unlimited memory at some point it just slows down
I use mine to mind map some times
fx doesnt like having 75 tabs open for 12 or 13 hours :P
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brycecFF doesn't like having tabs open at all :P
but it puts up with it for a bit
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kusuriyasome where around 1.1gb you will start noticing a slow down
around 1.5gb its unbareable for me
and stuff starts crashing
and thats mostly because its starting to hit the top end of the memory limit of a 32bit thread I assume
because 64bit Firefox doesnt have the same issue of stability until you start swapping
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bcallahlteo: I do mostly streaming via livestreamer
no FF at all!
:D
for instance
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kusuriyayeah I abuse the living fuck out of firefox [20:58]
bcallah$ livestreamer -p "vlc --file-caching 2000" twitch.tv/speeddemosarchivesda best & [20:59]
lteolteo calls the firefox abuse hotline [20:59]
bcallahwill get you watching summer games done quick [20:59]
mcchunkiePHRASING, BOOM! [20:59]
kusuriyaid abuse chrome but me and chrome have had faar too many arguments over HTML5 [20:59]
bcallahwhich is what I've been doing since it started
already halfway over :/
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kusuriya:(
man spamassassin is all screwed up for me
all the scores are faaar off
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bcallahpreempting BryceBot with an lteo o/
lteo: o/
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lteobcallah: o [21:06]
BryceBotlteo posted to source-changes@cvs.openbsd.org! "CVS: cvs.openbsd.org: src" (Wed Jun 25 21:03:33 GMT-07:00 2014): "Convert several calloc calls to reallocarray. These calloc calls were originally malloc(n * m) calls (without memset/bzero) in the past. ok deraadt@ tedu@" [lib/libpcap : optimize.c pcap.c] [21:07]
Guest81348http://youtu.be/e-DXJT8VnAA [21:15]
BryceBotYouTube Comedy: "Scala Movie 2.11 Official Trailer" by Jon Pretty (1m 38s), 5,174 views, 123 likes and 4 dislikes. Uploaded 2014-06-19T14:18:44.000Z. [21:15]
Guest81348"and in the process, piss off industry AND academia."
roflll
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BryceBotNew OpenBSD snapshots for hppa! (Wed Jun 25 2014 21:45:34 GMT-0700(PDT))
New OpenBSD snapshots for sparc64! (Wed Jun 25 2014 21:48:06 GMT-0700(PDT))
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lawsigh
so ninjapants is pressuring me to sell my Kawasaki Vulcan, take the proceeds, and buy a Triumph Bonneville
then she wants me to paint it green matte (army-style)
just so we can call it the "Steve McGreen"
>_<
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brycecYour wife is a brilliant, bad influence. [23:41]
lawmy wife? gosh, I hope my girlfriend doesn't find out
the real piss of it is, the local Triumph dealer has a 2013 B'ville in Barney Purple that *no one* has touched
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brycecI thought you were married... My bad. [23:43]
lawa paint job is about $800, and the guy has offered it to me for dealer invoice + title + 'doc fee'
if I can get him to knock off the title and doc fees... I just might do it
$6799 for the bike - a 2014 B'ville is like $7900
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BryceBotNew OpenBSD packages for alpha! (Wed Jun 25 2014 04:57:11 GMT-0700(PDT)) [23:45]
brycecNot so sure they can knock off the title fee, since that's WA's and not theirs
Either way, good luck :)
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