[16:18] *** [FBI] starts logging #devious at Wed Jun 25 16:18:23 2014 [16:18] *** [FBI] has joined #devious [16:18] >.> [16:18] <.< [16:23] the fbi would pin a medal on us [16:33] haha [16:41] at least the bot tells you it is logging and blogging everything? [16:46] [FBI]: MAX ON [16:51] *** kbw2 has joined #devious [16:54] *** kbw has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [16:55] I love how the FBI is actually ICE and is using a commercial VPS likely running on a dead operating system [17:00] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGs2w5vbJHE [17:00] YouTube News: "19-Year-Old Accidental Politician Sworn In On Quran" by The Young Turks (2m 45s), 40,971 views, 1,362 likes and 42 dislikes. Uploaded 2014-06-25T03:30:00.000Z. [17:00] this is the county I live in [17:07] bcallah: THE MUSLIMS ARE TAKIN OVER [17:07] sorry the islams [17:08] 'slams [17:11] lol [17:12] the funny part is he's literally the only one who voted [17:12] so the idiot wrote himself in as a joke [17:12] and now he technically is part of the steering committee for the republican party [17:15] I was wondering how someone accidentally becomes a politician [17:15] "whoops, I tripped into this pile of dirty money" [17:15] lol [17:16] whoops i accidentally ran for office [17:16] and won [17:16] i thought it was all part of an MMORPG [17:16] what do you mean I don't get any XP for this?!?!?! [17:16] slash ARG [17:16] also, it's a republican phenomenon here [17:16] the democrats have way more seats filled [17:17] at least in the county [17:25] it's just a RG [17:26] an RG? ENERGYL [17:26] bflah! [17:26] this keyboard makes questions so difficults! [17:26] ALL STATEMENTS ALL TNHE TIME [17:29] https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LP5WB6OXv1g wut [17:29] YouTube News: "Smutny Autobus" by Ministerstwo Spraw Wewnętrznych (2m 10s), 737,252 views, 2,738 likes and 10,185 dislikes. Uploaded 2014-06-23T06:24:20.000Z. [18:08] *** kbw2 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [18:10] *** elalo has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [18:57] *** bizarro_1 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [19:14] New OpenBSD snapshots for amd64! (Wed Jun 25 2014 17:15:52 GMT-0700(PDT)) [19:14] New OpenBSD snapshots for i386! (Wed Jun 25 2014 17:17:56 GMT-0700(PDT)) [19:14] New OpenBSD snapshots for macppc! (Wed Jun 25 2014 17:19:18 GMT-0700(PDT)) [19:39] *** CosmiCruz has joined #devious [19:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v CosmiCruz [19:54] where's everybody? :( [19:54] !tell qbit ohai sir [19:54] CosmiCruz: I'll tell qbit next time they speak. [19:56] i just wonder. how does openbsd compares too freebsd in terms of being light weight OS? [19:58] *** FreezingAlt has joined #devious [20:01] *** FreezingCold has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [20:05] *** dezgot has quit IRC (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) [20:06] *** FreezingAlt is now known as FreezingCold [20:07] *** dezgot has joined #devious [20:13] *** variable is now known as trout [20:22] blackjack: this question feels malformed, maybe you should figure out what you actually want [20:24] i was just asking,.. given that both freebsd/netbsd/openbsd does perform almost the same thing. ANd quite the same characteristics, i just wonder which of them are more of a light weight OS [20:24] the question makes no useful sense [20:25] what are you trying to *do* with the system? [20:37] coz i just want a better platform where my resources are used efficiently [20:37] does i just wanted to know which. But i think all 3 are tied with that aspect i guess [20:37] yes but what are you trying to do with the platform each BSD does a different task a bit better [20:38] like which would be a better webserver? [20:39] openBSD for example is super secure and makes for great secure systems and is used as a router and firewall in commercial producs [20:39] FreeBSD tends to make a great workstation [20:39] ok kusuriya tell me what are each platforms good at? [20:39] ok [20:39] NetBSD runs on many platforms [20:39] thats pretty much the basic rundown [20:39] ok [20:40] how about the commercial wifi routers [20:40] are they also running with that sort of thing? "netbsd"? [20:41] commercial wifi routers at the consumer level run a linux usually [20:41] at the enterprise level its a mix of mostly linux with some Open and FreeBSD scattered in there [20:42] since BSD's tend to have spartan wifi support compared to linux [20:43] NetBSD is still vulnerable to RSA timing attacks agains ssl i think [20:43] yeah im not sure if they fixed that [20:49] 23:36 < blackjack> coz i just want a better platform where my resources are used efficiently [20:49] even in the far future that is scifi, villians seem to not understand just because you smash a control panel doesnt mean you disabled the thing you were trying to disable just means you made it impossible to tell if it was running [20:50] When it comes to vague, nebulous "which is the most lightweight" questions, I turn to the install ISO for an answer: (Base i386) OpenBSD 222MB, NetBSD 314MB, FreeBSD 564MB [20:50] then you might as well know in advance exactly how many resources you need, and build something around that [20:50] because if you have, for example, 16GB of RAM, it's a waste [20:50] you're machine isn't using all of it [20:50] so your efficiency is crap [20:50] * brycec has 16GB of RAM [20:50] *your machine [20:50] lol yeah [20:50] 32gb of ram here [20:50] tl;dr OpenBSD is leanest of the major BSDs [20:50] im not worried about light :P [20:51] kusuriya: o/ [20:51] \o [20:51] I have 8 here, and I really can't use it all [20:51] even with all the ports building I do [20:51] same here [20:51] the closest i got to putting a dent in it was compiling libreoffice [20:51] Chrome does its damnedest though :) [20:51] lol [20:51] I don't have that issue with FF [20:51] before i realized OpenBSD's ports were quite up to date [20:51] (Though FireFox still leaks like a sieve for me and will consume waaaay more than Chrome ever has) [20:52] yeah Fx gets better each release [20:52] I guess maybe too it's how you use it [20:52] for instance, I don't leave a browser running 24/7 [20:52] they have a large contenget of people comitted to plugging leaks [20:52] I'll click a link, look at it, then close FF [20:52] I left FF running with 4 tabs over the weekend once (at work), came back and it was using 7.1GB and everything that could be swapped to disk had been. [20:52] ^^ out of 8GB on that machine [20:52] so I never have a browser open for more than 30 minutes [20:53] and 30 minutes is super long [20:53] it's usually more like 5 [20:53] heh [20:53] Fx fails mostly between suspends [20:53] for me [20:53] perhaps this is why I'm constantly confused when people complain about browsers [20:53] it will sleep at 500mb [20:53] TIL bcallah only watches 5 min videos [20:54] Basically bcallah uses his browser like he would a car, and doesn't leave it idling 24/7 [20:54] Good Guy bcallah [20:54] and wake at 1.5gb [20:54] and be slow as hell [20:54] Even if you give Fx unlimited memory at some point it just slows down [20:55] I use mine to mind map some times [20:55] fx doesnt like having 75 tabs open for 12 or 13 hours :P [20:55] FF doesn't like having tabs open at all :P [20:56] but it puts up with it for a bit [20:56] some where around 1.1gb you will start noticing a slow down [20:56] around 1.5gb its unbareable for me [20:56] and stuff starts crashing [20:56] and thats mostly because its starting to hit the top end of the memory limit of a 32bit thread I assume [20:57] because 64bit Firefox doesnt have the same issue of stability until you start swapping [20:58] lteo: I do mostly streaming via livestreamer [20:58] no FF at all! [20:58] :D [20:58] for instance [20:58] yeah I abuse the living fuck out of firefox [20:59] $ livestreamer -p "vlc --file-caching 2000" twitch.tv/speeddemosarchivesda best & [20:59] * lteo calls the firefox abuse hotline [20:59] will get you watching summer games done quick [20:59] PHRASING, BOOM! [20:59] id abuse chrome but me and chrome have had faar too many arguments over HTML5 [20:59] which is what I've been doing since it started [20:59] already halfway over :/ [20:59] :( [21:01] man spamassassin is all screwed up for me [21:01] all the scores are faaar off [21:06] preempting BryceBot with an lteo o/ [21:06] lteo: o/ [21:06] bcallah: \o [21:07] lteo posted to source-changes@cvs.openbsd.org! "CVS: cvs.openbsd.org: src" (Wed Jun 25 21:03:33 GMT-07:00 2014): "Convert several calloc calls to reallocarray. These calloc calls were originally malloc(n * m) calls (without memset/bzero) in the past. ok deraadt@ tedu@" [lib/libpcap : optimize.c pcap.c] [21:15] http://youtu.be/e-DXJT8VnAA [21:15] YouTube Comedy: "Scala Movie 2.11 Official Trailer" by Jon Pretty (1m 38s), 5,174 views, 123 likes and 4 dislikes. Uploaded 2014-06-19T14:18:44.000Z. [21:15] "and in the process, piss off industry AND academia." 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(Wed Jun 25 2014 21:48:06 GMT-0700(PDT)) [23:13] sigh [23:13] so ninjapants is pressuring me to sell my Kawasaki Vulcan, take the proceeds, and buy a Triumph Bonneville [23:13] then she wants me to paint it green matte (army-style) [23:14] just so we can call it the "Steve McGreen" [23:14] >_< [23:35] *** al3hex has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [23:41] Your wife is a brilliant, bad influence. [23:42] my wife? gosh, I hope my girlfriend doesn't find out [23:43] the real piss of it is, the local Triumph dealer has a 2013 B'ville in Barney Purple that *no one* has touched [23:43] I thought you were married... My bad. [23:43] a paint job is about $800, and the guy has offered it to me for dealer invoice + title + 'doc fee' [23:44] if I can get him to knock off the title and doc fees... I just might do it [23:44] $6799 for the bike - a 2014 B'ville is like $7900 [23:45] New OpenBSD packages for alpha! (Wed Jun 25 2014 04:57:11 GMT-0700(PDT)) [23:50] Not so sure they can knock off the title fee, since that's WA's and not theirs [23:50] Either way, good luck :)