brycec: weekend channel silent time
Good morning
Hay AmberJ
Ever get that 3g card working for more than an hour?
what does one typically discuss here?
Programming language or operating system related religious debates
And random help for stuff
I see
We also have a few bots in here that get a fair  bit of usage
Here's a random question for the python folks here. Why are old-style classes being phased out in python? What are the advantages of new style classes over old ones?
I understand this is not really a pythonic place
but still... I have been on wolfman for over a year and had never been on IRC; now that I am here, I don't really know what to discuss!
cube_, the class and type unification?
yes - inheriting from 'object'
http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.2.3/descrintro/#references
I'm checking those out now
And they all need to make a case for why they want it
For each of the changes that make up the "new classes"
Each release has a few more for specific changes if there are more
I see
thanks!
I believe that standard python has a lot of performance issues related to what actually are "objects"
Similar to Ruby, Java, Javascript before v8
I see
So if the language can abstract away the object system from the runtime
It lets you do things like multidimensional arrays in line
Normally someTwoDimObjArr[][] is an array of references, to an array of references, when the need to be followed to get to the object
Abstracting away a bit the underlying primitive types gives you a bit more flexibility to lie about how the data is stored for the sake of performance
I see
Feel free to ping me if you have any more PL questions
sure, thanks!
Hey benDos and everyone
Whats up mang
Naah, the 3g card disconnects every one hour. I found out that this is not an OS or data card model issue. This is a stupid restriction imposed by my service provider...
Oh..
WRAP ALL THE THINGS IN MOSH
This happens on Windows as well... On windows, the connection disconnects in every 50-90 minutes
.define MOSH
To mosh: A way of expressing yourself at an mental rock/punk concert. Almost always done in a "pit" with extremely cool people who you don't even know but they'll look out for you! You get pushed around, shoved, you fall on your ass but it's all in the spirit and you have a f*ckin great time!!!A concert isn't a concert without getting in a pit!!!
:P
its mosh(.something*).mit.edu
s/\*\))*
Doe
lold
http://mosh.mit.edu/
Anyway piroko hearts it
So if it breaks your computer, blame him
wait... so AmberJ_, how do you do huge downloads that take over an hour if the server doesn't support resume?
or wget from a remote server, then break it into smaller parts and download them?
cube_, you could download it on a remote server with tmux or nohup
oh you're there :p
cube_, this is a backup connection. My primary connection is slow-ish wired broadband.
aha
Cables tend to break here pretty frequently (rough estimate: cables broke at least once every month). So, I keep a prepaid 3G connection to be able to submit assignments, browse email etc.
AmberJ_, so you have your co-op now?
co-op?
Like post classes before degree semester or two working for credits and maybe lunch money
s/post/after/
Like after classes before degree semester or two working for credits and maybe lunch money
A lot of programs are adding that to their degrees
The schools get more money out of you and you get "real world experience" win win
Unless you are borrowing for uni like most 'mericans but that's another story :p
naah, I was talking about assignments for online classes...
We don't have co-op system here
Didn't you say you had something like that?
Or some internship maybe is what i was thinking?
yea
Actually we are supposed to find internships for ourselves. And, all university needs is a proof from my employer that I worked on a project.
I've never actually got internship credit
I've done 3 or so internships
Idk i think that's about what my uni needs
We don't get any internship credit in any other semester.
Only last semester allows internship credit and this is compulsory for every student
Ah yeah sounds similar to co-op here then
it's required for more and more degrees now
Any idea what you'll be doing for that yet?
I'm going to start applying for internship to Indian companies in a day or two
my company doesnt like indians
Noted. Won't apply to your company then :P
so I was looking at mosh
doesn't support port forwarding
I googled for it the other day
It did via some third party magicks
I think
http://serverfault.com/questions/390916/mosh-tunnel-via-proxy
I haven't tried that, but it seems like in theory it ought to work for most tcp protocols
but doesn't mosh do most stuff via udp?
That wraps your tcp connections into udp
when looks like mosh handles, and then pipes ssh through
s/when/whichk
whichk looks like mosh handles, and then pipes ssh through
blah
which*
I heard you like packets so i wraped your TCP in UDP so you can unwrap packets while you unwrap packets
but IMO wrapping TCP in UDP kinda defeats the purpose of TCP :)
wait, so you get TCP wrapped in UDP, and then your ACK is also wrapped in UDP and returned? What if the return ACK is lost but the original packet reached its destination? How does one prevent the sender from sending the same thing again and again?
cube_: you dont :P
its like if you damage your network cable
i think its difficult to damage a network cable so it still works but occasionally drops packets, i think it either not work at all or still work great
not really
give me a cable stripper and an eyedropper of water
or a CFL bulb
thats a deliberate kind of sabotage
both will scramble data efficently enough to cause syn storms
no one would accidentally damage it that way
actually thoose are ways to simulate real world things
the eyedropper of water would simulate a cable that was rubbed raw being rained on
the CFL would simulate some one being a moron when running cable
and running it through florecent light
ah
luckily my computer is inside
yeah ive had to run cable outside before though
i generally get cable runs for it now a days
but Florecent lights like CFL bulbs cause lots of random line issues
must be an issue for skrillex
yep
"skrillex my network is super slow can you help me?"
"really? your music improved though"
but i used to have a line tester that could detect EM "humm"
that would be a new way to make duvstep, transfer a sound pitch through a rigged cable with UDP, see what comes out
:D
oh i'm back
kusuriya, you can totally implement tcp in udp
I've actually done a fair bit of tcp in udp
benDos: didnt say you couldnt just said its not really a great idea
Idk
defeats the purpose behind TCP IMO
Well
Kinda
you can give yourself a subset of the guarantees  that tcp gives you in exchange for X
however, UDP inside TCP makes UDP extra reliable, and a bit slower
Right
Also udp is way easier to anycast then handle in software
true
doing anycast tcp requires you do muck around with your os's tcp stack
just multicast and forget :P (jk)
:p
I actually think i have that code up my on portfolio..
i wish i traveled a lot so i could warrant the purchase of a netbook
I'm traveling across the country in a month and a half
Buy me a netbook?
maybe i could warrant that if you were a hot girl
niteye: do you work in a datacenter?
but ive seen on 'to catch a predator' that apparently buying them a happy meal is enough
nope
damn
becaust that right there is warrent enough to buy a system 11 - 13"
because anything bigger just doesnt fit in between the racks as well
you wanted me to sniff the cable and find hot women didnt you, naughty naughty
niteye, what if I gave you a license the benDossBot's sauce?
nah i already do that :D
to*
id like some sauce but i need a woman to put it on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxHt4-GDvck
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JorEw_75Yg0&feature=g-logo
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i guess not every cop is a shit bag
he interviewed pretty nicely
or is he, ive seen one on 'to catch a predator' who wanted to go bootshopping, and brought boots to the house of the girl
:o
kusuriya, if win7 doesn't work on my workstation what are the chances win8 will?
89%
benDos: depends on why it didnt work
performance id say niteye is right
if it was drivers because your shit is too old id say 0% just like windows 7 ;)
It's a 2010 intel server mobo for xeon i7s
then why didnt it work :P
I got little freezes i couldn't pin down to any driver or firmware
my boss has one of thoose that works like a boss :D
But the box is perfect on linux, and win7 runs just fine in kvm
but 8 may run better on that
one way to know is pick up a spare drive and do it
After this semester i'm gonna try win7 on there maybe there's finally an update that fixes it
But i tried over the summer i think and got the latest stable and latest drivers/firmware for everything no combination worked
you may need to z out the drives also
most win7 install issues ive met are because of the drives
Seriously...
yep
I usually just zero out the first few MB
For a fresh install on top of a drive i don't care about
do the full drive this go around
Are you for serious?
dead serious
Windows might be fucking up cause there are some old bits on my dirve...
yep
ive had it happen
You can't tell cause this is irc
especially if the drive had a GPT table
But i have a super sad face on right now
so if you have ever GPT formatted your disks GPT stores 2 backups further back on the drive
if windows (or linux for that matter) sees them it declares your disk as damaged
some linux distros will try to fix the partition table
Man i've never had any issues like that in linux
windows may halt to save data
I've even fdisked completely full drives
ive had issues like that in linux adn BSD
without clearing anything and not had issues
ive actually wrote an MBR over the top of a GPT once and had an unbootable system
Write new partition table proceed with my day
its one of thoose worth a try things
I guess i don't really mix windows and linux that much any more
windows can become super picky
But yeah i def did not try that
s/picky/poorly qa'd/
But yeah i def did not try that
Wut.
actually its not poor QA
its a design choice for the drive error
s
If any software breaks cause of the content of initialized blocks
that sounds like poor qa
the design is to preserve the possible existing data of a damaged disk
Ugh
They prompt you
A bazillion times
Yes i'm sure
yeah but remember what the installer is meant for :P
stupid people
Then it over writes just fine, but then causes mini freezes
Idk i'll try it
win7 just annoyed me with that box
busineses use images that can force partition the disk
yeah id Z the full disk
if it doesnt work after that it doesnt like somthing about the disk and is probly a bug
thanks though
the only issue i ever got is, if you have two drives, one windows and one linux, and you try to install windows again, it will not let you go through unless you format both drives, to install some temp install files on, disconnecting the linux and reconnecting and that it worked, but i dont do much hardcore stuff
niteye: that was actually a bug XD
(in windows)
yeah i figured heh
its a funny as hell bug
well at the time i thought a 'bug' to make sure you stick with MS
Technet says the solution is "disconnect the drive you do not want the installer to write to"
i think its fixed by now in windows 7
still something strange in windows 7, sometimes it wants to make a really really tiny partition next to the main one, and i have to do some strange sequence in the partitioner to be able to get rid of it
like deleting all partitions and choosing a big one, you'd get the two partitions again, you had to delete one, and then resize the other to the full space
niteye: you cant get rid of the tiny system partition
not any more
its needed for boot and recovery
pity, it worked when i installed win 7 last year i think
yeah if you dont have it also there are some updates that will brick your system
like Service Packs
service pack 1 worked, so far theres nothing iknow about that failed, but if something fails i dont care, windows is just for games anyway
yeah
its just somthing to keep in mind
that partition has some automated recovery stuff and part of the bootloader and while the bootloader can be relocated
the revcovery tools can not, so if SP1 would have failed the system wouldnt have beenable to auto backout
pita,ill have not enough partitions anymore if i want to to a "correct" install, i'd need 2 for windows and 3 for linux (buut, root and swap), id have to get on with extended partitions instead of just the 4 main ones (i know, im a purist)
if you partition linux correctly you do
2 for windows then 1 primary and 1 logical for linux
and the logical has 3 partitions in it
yeah but i dont like logical partitions, it overcomplications the partitions view
most distros tell you to drop everything except boot into a logical partition
most distros tell me that puttin everything in one partition is for the simpletons
logical partitions are not one partition ;)
yeah i mean /boot and /home etc
but also if you use GPT you are not limited to 4 parts
GPT can have up to 128 primary partitions
whats GPT
its the update for MBR style partitions
its AKA GUID Partition Table
halla
its required for disks greater than 2TB and/or EFI
cool bananas, about time there was an upgrade
windows 7 and linux distro installs still seem to do the old style partitions still, when will those support GPT?
they all support it
and ubuntu uses GPT by default
hmm, why didnt i ever find this out
FreeBSD may switch to it for its default soon
its already required for ZFS on root
speaking of which, i want a japanese or south korean girlfriend
not hard to do if your 'Merican
european unfortunately
hmm well then get an american accent :D
its not like our accent is hard
i dont have a mexican or indian accent while speaking english, i think that'll do
but make sure its the northern american accent
not the redneck one
redneck american sounds a bit like a lower pitched australian accent to me
lower pitched and a bit more stupid to me
but no one thinks american redneck is sexy, unless its that southern bell lady
when i see something japanese, like a japanese news report, i automatically think the female news anchor gets gangbanged backstage, and its perfectly normal at every workplace there
well thats japan man
their subway platform has a retractable wall so you cant fall on the platform when theres no train
its more advanced than here
it is
japan is considered the #1 best engineered infrastructure
thats why they are all flabberghasted by that tunnel callapse
hehe
also according to this anime, they all have a TV on the console of their car
**collapse
:D
but yeah japan is awesome
especially if you're a male office employee
yes
id hate to have a daughter there though
yeah
"how was school today hun? did you get gangbanged by the whole class, or just the teachers today?"
"ohh you just got raped on the train, youre lazy get the fuck back out there!"
and when she thinks shes at home, her brother gets in on the action too
exactly
and then she goes for a nap in the garden, the plants even want some too
I hoped you hired a camera guy to follow her
i wonder what exactly makes japanese adult videos the way they are, is it in their genetics ?
i think so
we will have to comission a study
that being said, i dislike american adult videos, too many closeups, cheesy storylines, and too many artificially enhanced sausages and balloons
i need to add pushover sounds to sickbeard :O
anyone knows what chat rooms japanese women in their twienties frequent ?
preferably with an acceptable command of english too
niteye: what you are looking for is a brides for sale magazine
totally not creepy
do they really scream like that or only for in the movies when theyre making babies?
totally not creepy at all
hmm im thinking of starting a mesh network node when i move to my new place
since ill have a place to set radio gear
using what hardware / sw?
:O
cuz i wanna do that as well
i need to check out hardware more
but /r/darknet and /r/hyperboria both use cjdns
https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns/
and https://projectmeshnet.org/
huh
seems too "look at me!"
i want underground
so i cna go rogue
CJDNS or BATMAN both look like great software for it
I may link up with seattle wireless and see if they are actually still trying to put out their mesh network
wonder what one could do with openbsd
Batman has a port for OpenBSD IIRC
don't see it
i thought batman had a secretary to handle the computer stuff while hes out showing his guns
wait no it was OLSR
oh it's a kernel thinger
mmm olsrd
kew
mmm old version
yeah
i need to see if there are existing mesh networks in my area first really
yeah
kinda hurts without others :P
maybe they are just waiting for you to make yours! :O
well Im probly going to take some time to go and meet up with seattle wireless to see if they are still trying to build out their mesh
because they actually own repeaters in the area
good afternoon
herro
qbit, do you know Nicolay (music)?
hailo
i don't
ooh darknets
ooh japanese girls
http://www.deftly.net/olsdr.diff <---- makes openbsd have the latest version
of olsdr
if that wasn't clear
yep
im actually going to do a site survey and probly meet up with the seattle wireless hackspace some time in january after i get into the place
i wanted to set up a darknet for friends but i dont have any friends
at least none that would benefit from a darknet
well i just want to see more mesh networking
id really love to eventually beable to pop it into my carputer and not have to tether
whats mesh networking, some kind of tcp/ip over amateur radio broadcast?
mesh networking is a bunch of wireless accesspoints and devices acting as base stations together
to form a much larger and resilient wireless network using commodity gear
it woudl be fun if every home router also allowed internet access to people on the sreets, ofcourse being routed differently than just roaming on the person's home network
wonder of otterbox is gonna make a case for the n4
FON was doing that for a while so
qbit: heres a bit of interestingness by default OpenBSD only lets you have for GIF tunnels
you have to flip a bit in the kernel for more
**for, four
yeah ive seen some of those FON access points, but it's like in hotels, you get redirected to some payment page, not true internet like i imagined
depends on how the owner sets it up
mm
http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/IpTunnel
first example goes over how to do the internet tunnels for seattle wireless
ill probly actually do this when i get my phsyical net built out
nice
setup a small Bx node and wait for peers
since it looks like id be the only one in my zone
and weight the ethernet interface way the fuck down so when other wireless peers are in sight i can connect them and save bandwidth
Oh qbit my bad
Been cleaning my apt for the last hour
I'll send you some good track laters
i cant open my coke
im twisting im twisting, but it just wont come of
hmm sweet i just met a bunch of the local seattle meshnet people
they told me bring my gear out with me in late jan when they reopen their meetings and they will help me haxx it together
Does someone remembers a term used to define those articles/writers who pick a writeup and carefully comment on each point in it?
I remember reading a wikipedia article about this but can't locate the link now :(
It's a criticism/comment on a point-by-point basis as a reply to another writeup..
An onion just rolled off the top of my fridge into my face when i opened my freezer :/
Err... you keep onions in freezer?
My mum keeps them outside... not even in a fridge
No i had some onions on top of my fridge
They rolled into the crack between the top of the fridge and the freezer open
I open the freezer door onion takes a funny bounce into my face
and the freezer door*
heh
Oh AmberJ_
the document you mentioned earlier, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amicus_curiae sometimes take that form
Amicus curiae :: An amicus curiae (also spelled amicus curiæ; plural amici curiae) is someone, not a party to a case, who volunteers to offer information to assist a court in deciding a matter before it. The information provided may be a legal opinion in the form of a brief (which is called an amicus brief when offered by an amicus curiae), a testimony that has not been solicited by any of the parties, or a learned treatise on a matter...
kinda
Aha, found it. The word is "fisking": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisking
Fisking :: The term fisking is blogosphere slang describing a point-by-point criticism that highlights perceived errors, or disputes the analysis in a statement, article, or essay.  Eric S. Raymond, in the Jargon File, defined the term as:    A point-by-point refutation of a blog entry or (especially) news story. A really stylish fisking is witty, logical, sarcastic and ruthlessly factual; flaming or handwaving is considered poor form...
"The term fisking is blogosphere slang describing a point-by-point criticism that highlights perceived errors, or disputes the analysis in a statement, article, or essay."
It even has a Jargon file entry: http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/fisking.html
Oh
In the blogosphere.
:p
I imagine that form of writing predates blogger
I totally just failed at making pasta
Was trying a new brand, they said 15 minutes, totally was done in like 8
I still can't believe i'm the only one in here who plays cod :/
others are just personable enough to not admit it in public
That's probably true
But the people i play cod with are from my old clan in a half life 2 mod
And they're all 5 hours ahead of me
http://youtu.be/SpSdulyMMkg SCIENCE
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ooh, i love nottingham science.
Me too :)
wew!
huge damage to resistance today!
also scored a free ipod nano touch
er what ever they are called
o/
\o
aw - no rockbox for it
:(
oh well it will be for snowboarding
smashable
qbit snowboarding eh
qbit, ingress has ipods?
wut
eew iPods
However ipod+rockbox is super nice
Just rode shotgun in my buddy's 500HP is300 as we did donuts in the middle of nowhere. Out of nowhere this 30-something year old couple drive up to us, block us in, and start recording the conversation we had with them
It went something like this. Woman: "This is not a playground!" Guy gets out of car to take a pic of my friend's, plate, friend drives around douche's car and does a sick burnout driving away
Good thing they don't have a clue about the law. wew
piroko: did you take your pistol out and demand the device they were using to take pictures and record
teach some busy bodies a lesson
haha no but I should have
its like damn straight i robbed you now STFU and get out of my face
Yeah pretty sure that's a felony
lol
so is blocking you in
unlawful detainment
:D
sure its vs armed robery but hey
New sets for amd64!
man i cant wait to move
i found where im storing my carboys of mead :D
kyl, you around?
ohlol, that's what she said!
benDos: ish
New sets for i386!
s/ish/around-ish
benDos: around-ish
http://imgur.com/a/76Iae
for y'all.
nerds.
:)
I totally thought that was something from warehouse 13 from the first few pictures
I knew exactly what that was as soon as I saw it
but that's because I subscribe to /r/cableporn :P
(and happened to be reading it at lunch
i kind of dig it
the nice IBM label got me to smile
Dear what.cd: fuck you for being down
pewpew
wb lteo o/
mmmm sausage and cheese baked inside bread
i wonder why i find claire danes so attractive
ah fuck
so my e-mail client decided to set my newsgroup account as default, which coincidentally has the same sender e-mail as my main e-mail account
apparently I've been replying to e-mails and having it sent to newsgroups, to a black hole
that's what she said!
yes, that's exactly what she said
on public display, or so no one can read them?
I hope so no one can read them
New sets for macppc!
you might want to look into that
zenmower: Because... she is?
New sets for amd64!
New sets for i386!
two nights in a row
woohoo
wb rnemo
ty brycec
man I am both looking forward to and dreading wednesday
what's on weds?
another hospital visit?
god no
I hope not
it's when I get to see James again...but I'm going to teach him how to drive
robbing the cradle, rnemo ? Or a grown man that doesn't know how to drive?
robbing the cradle?
e.g. a 16 yr old
oh
he's 21
sometimes it feels like robbing the cradle but alas
no he just doesn't know how to drive
and yes that freaks me out too
heh
*whoosh*
Bye brycec!
*whoosh*
Bye trafficone!