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benDos: #devious is super quiet at night.
*crickets*
mwheeler: nope
benDos: Good morning
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benDos: piroko, is mosh is gud?
s/is g/still g
lazylopez_: piroko, is mosh still gud?
AmberJ_: s/is mosh still gud/what is mosh
lazylopez_: piroko, is mosh is gud?
-: AmberJ_ is very tired after loads of work and an exam in college today
AmberJ_: Today was my last day of my college :D
To be precise, I still have one semester left at college. But I'm supposed to get myself involved in some sort of industrial training/internship in this semester.
i.e. I'll pass my next semester if I can produce a proof that I successfully completed my internship.
Anyways, I'm off to take some rest. Bbl
benDos: AmberJ_, congrats!
I have another 3 weeks till my last full semester is up
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qbit: hola
chicharones!
benDos: Good morning
Hows it going?
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benDos: I'm starting to wonder about antlr
I've yet to find an expression grammar online even, in the books, that seems to actually work
qbit: doing pretty darn good
antlrpwnt
omg
make antlrpwnt
as another replacement for ant! ( i assume antlr is an ant replacement? )
the world need more build systems
benDos: No :p
antlr is lexer/parser generator++
@wiki Antlr
BryceBot: ANTLR :: In computer-based language recognition, ANTLR (pronounced Antler), or ANother Tool for Language Recognition, is a parser generator that uses LL(*) parsing. ANTLR is the successor to the Purdue Compiler Construction Tool Set (PCCTS), first developed in 1989, and is under active development. Its maintainer is professor Terence Parr of the University of San Francisco. ANTLR takes... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANTLR
benDos: OH YOU FUCKING DOOSHNOZEL
The ide has been claiming my grammar has been broken
For about 8 hours of work
Just tried a commit from yesterday from the command line and all the sudden i'm parsing expressions
@wiki Antlrworks
BryceBot: No exact title match. Searching... Maybe you meant 'Actorworks'? Here is Wikipedia's first search result.
ANTLR :: In computer-based language recognition, ANTLR (pronounced Antler), or ANother Tool for Language Recognition, is a parser generator that uses LL(*) parsing. ANTLR is the successor to the Purdue Compiler Construction Tool Set (PCCTS), first developed in 1989, and is under active development. Its maintainer is professor Terence Parr of the University of San Francisco. ANTLR takes... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANTLR
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qbit: benDos: lol
that is awesome
benDos: Yeah it's nice to know the ide i've sunk all this time into is broken
But not obviously broken, just broken enough to make you think it's working but sometimes be wonky
qbit: that's how i feel about expect
benDos: que?
Some ruby based nodejs behavior driven design framework?
qbit: http://www.nist.gov/el/msid/expect.cfm
^
benDos: right right
someone sent me that a few weeks ago
I wonder if my neighbors have been able to hear me yelling at my computer for the past couple days
qbit: haha
benDos: brb bring my gf some lunch at work
So maybe even out some of the karma if anyone has heard the terrible things i've been yelling at antlr
qbit: haha - hopefully
mcchunkie: openbsd
mcchunkie: amd64 sets => Thu Nov 29 2012 09:32:34 GMT-0700 (MST). amd64 packages => Fri Nov 30 2012 11:50:04 GMT-0700 (MST).
i386 sets => Fri Nov 30 2012 00:44:46 GMT-0700 (MST). i386 packages => Wed Nov 14 2012 07:43:17 GMT-0700 (MST).
macppc packages => Fri Oct 19 2012 00:01:38 GMT-0600 (MDT). macppc sets => Fri Nov 30 2012 15:53:12 GMT-0700 (MST).
loongson sets => Fri Nov 30 2012 00:45:01 GMT-0700 (MST). loongson packages => Sat Nov 10 2012 17:45:38 GMT-0700 (MST).
qbit: thanks mcchunkie
mcchunkie: qbit, you are welcome!
kusuriya: thanks mcchunkie
mcchunkie: kusuriya, you are welcome!
brycec: thanks BryceBot
BryceBot: No problem, brycec
brycec: :P
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brycec: Man, expect is oooooold
wb zenmower
zenmower: ty
qbit: heh
xbian is awesome
waaaaaay faster than that the other piexbmc thinger
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zenmower: ** ̿̿ ̿̿ ̿̿ ̿̿ ̿'̿'̵͇̿̿з=( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)=ε/̵͇̿̿/’̿’̿ ̿ ̿̿ ̿̿ ̿̿**
qbit: yes
benDos: back
qbit: yakbak!
omg
those things were awesome
god linux sucks so bad
tell it to reboot.. it says "ok!" and then never reboots
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piroko: qbit: Yes, this is clearly a fault with linux, and should be taken up with Linus himself
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jrick: scumbag linux
benDos: qbit, i probably isn't linux's fault
i mean i've been rebooting linux boxes for years
qbit: well there's my problem.. you are taking all the reoboot-bits
kusuriya: youre never supposed to reboot
you should know better
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qbit: to linux's credit.. i have only ever seen this reboot thing on.. redhat.. debian.. and ubuntu..
benDos: ksplice does funny things
just reboot and HA in software
kusuriya: yeah honestly the problem is known
dxtr: So.. I'd like a good laptop recommendation
benDos: dxtr, dell business ftw
kusuriya: its a similar issue to why OpenBSD talls you to save a copy of reboot while doing an upgrade
dxtr: anything lenovo
problem solved
dxtr: kusuriya: I'm looking at thinkpad w520
benDos: lenovo's are a PITA to add more ram to
kusuriya: perferably the thinkpad line
benDos: dell business doesn't even use screws i think
kusuriya: benDos: undoing 2 screws and opening the bottom ram door is a PITA since when?
qbit: ++for thinkpads
dxtr: THINKPAD W520! GOOD OR ANUS!?
kusuriya: the dell business ones to get at the second ram slot you will need to remove the keyboard
7 screws
and 2 screws for the ram door
qbit: this xbmc remote changes everything
benDos: the last few lenovos i've upgraded didn't open nicely
kusuriya: i have one sittine next to me for work
benDos: get a think pad ;)
benDos: Yeah that was my kind of experience with the lenovos
i had to yank the keyboard 'n shit to get at the ram slots
4+ years ago
kusuriya: the design hasnt changed for years and 2 screws opens the ram door and both slots are available
-: benDos shrugs
benDos: I've been mistaken before, shit happens
kusuriya: especially in the W series
benDos: My dell business laptop is on 100% original parts going on 6.5 years
kusuriya: but the thinkpad honestly is one of the only other OEMs that rivals apple for build quality
dxtr: kusuriya: So am I going for the T or W series?
benDos: Therefore my acedonte is best.[09:42] <benDos> dxtr, just mod a ps3
dxtr: What will give me the most docking for my money?
benDos: I know you want a cell laptop
kusuriya: dxtr: depends on what you want the T series though now has a quad core but only 16 gb of ram
the W will give you a quad core with 32gb of max ram
benDos: That amount of ram on a laptop is so sexy
My little 2gb ram laptop is legit depressing
"Oh were you using your DE, lol let me swap that out for chrome"
kusuriya: yeah all thinkpad series can do 16gb if it only has 2 slots
its really nice that they dont limit it
dxtr: kusuriya: well, 16GB is enough for me
Quad-core is always nice
qbit: haha
benDos: kusuriya, does it run linux drivers nicely?
kusuriya: benDos: always has
benDos: gud.
dxtr: benDos: "Gud" means "God" in swedish
kusuriya: the thinkpad lines are always 99 - 100% linux compatible
about 80 - 90% BSD compatible
benDos: dxtr, gud is a phonetic spelling of food i use on the internet
of good*
dxtr: of food
benDos: I'm just pointing out the harsh truth
benDos: Maybe harsh doesn't mean what you think it means
=D
dxtr: kusuriya: Also, I'd want a decent monitor if that's possible
Like over 9000 pixels and shit
kusuriya: all of the thinkpad series have good monitors
make sure to pay the extra for the 1080 res screens
dxtr: kusuriya: You know what I hate about Lenovo?
kusuriya: price
dxtr: They don't have a swedish shop, so I can't customize and shit
benDos: IBM
Lenovo support as of 3 years ago was pretty turrible
dxtr: I have to go through resellers that doesn't allow me to customize it
benDos: That's annoying
kusuriya: dxtr: you should beable to use the site
benDos: Serves you right for your communism though
dxtr: kusuriya: All I get is some kind if "Find a reseller for this model!"
That's the downside of living in Scandinavia, kusuriya :P
kusuriya: hm thats super strange because i know they ship to europe
benDos: proxy in from devious and see if they let you ship international?
dxtr: kusuriya: Disregard that. I should click on the correct links
kusuriya: dxtr: i was about to link you :P
dxtr: kusuriya: Oh no, I lied again
http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/seind/LenovoPortal/en_SE/catalog.workflow:category.details?action=init¤t-catalog-id=C8762DAC28034546B6C94C13C882AAA6¤t-category-id=F27B0159D50422DDDFAACDC8F3AA1BDD#.ULpDJ7TgW00
benDos: Is lenovo only intel cpus?
dxtr: kusuriya: Can't customize and shit
kusuriya: benDos: almost all OEMs are Intel only
benDos: lenovo does have some AMD models but they are a PITA to find
dxtr: Why wouldn't you want Intel anyway?
benDos: Bulldoze does ok on some workloads
or whatever bulldozer ended up being called
the many core amds
kusuriya: dxtr: yeah youre right
:P
dxtr: kusuriya: I'll use you as a proxy
kusuriya: its odd to not get a CTO
dxtr: CTO?
kusuriya: Customized To Order
dxtr: Aight
kusuriya: thats lenovos code for it
dxtr: Another thing that I think is strange about Lenovo: I can customize most things on the 'murkan site but not the keyboard language :P
benDos: Is Lenovo like Dell where you save a few hundred by calling instead of ordering online?
dxtr: Imagine I'm 'murkan and want to give my mexican gardener a christmas bonus
benDos: Wat?
kusuriya: benDos: nope
dxtr: you may want to call them though
benDos: dxtr, I've saved upwards of 400 on 2k laptops with dell by calling
kusuriya: i bet you can get a CTO if you call lenovo
dxtr: kusuriya: I'll tell them you told me that
benDos: Asking at every step if they have any deals on stuff, student discounts, etc
dxtr: And then we'll sue you. Liability, etc.
benDos: I once got two years of the any thing happens replacement and 2x ram for free :p
Point being for laptops imo it is worth calling
dxtr: benDos: Lawl, I have "Anything happens we'll replace it no questions asked" in my home insurance
Piss on phone? I'll get a new one!
benDos: Hah
dxtr: My fiancee dropped her phone in a glass of water
Got a new one within days
benDos: That's sweet
dxtr: That's socialism for you
benDos: Sounds crazy
-: benDos said enviously
benDos: Eh Washington seems cool enough for now
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/07/atari-arcade-is-the-60-answer-to-icade-review/ hah win
dxtr: http://i.imgur.com/TMCon.jpg <- My battlestation
Disregard the horrible quality :P
kusuriya: is that the swedish yule soda!
dxtr: Julmust!
Also, disregard the confederate flag :D
kusuriya: Julmust! o/
ahh so dxtr is a nationalist
dxtr: 'MURKA!
benDos: Why are you sitting in the dark?
I'm totally not sitting with the lights on and curtains draw during a sunny day to keep my apartment warm with free heat
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dxtr: benDos: Why I'm sitting in the dark? http://i.imgur.com/epiy0.jpg
that's outside
Also, -6 degC outside
And it's getting colder
-9 tomorrow, -10 on Monday
kusuriya: We got a good winter this year. shame you didn't come :P
Snow and everything
sharvey: .weather n2l3g5
BryceBot: Special Weather Statement in effect from until : Special Weather Statementupdated by Environment Canadaat 10:59 am EST Saturday 1 December 2012.---------------------------------------------------------------------Special Weather Statement for:=new= London - Middlesex=new= Oxford - Brant=new= Huron -...
Kitchener, Ontario: Overcast ☁ 30°F (0°C), Humidity: 109%, Wind: From the South at 5.2 MPH, Pressure: 30.28inHg (1025mb) and falling, Dewpoint: 30°F (-1°C), Feels like 25°F (-4°C), Visibility: 0Mi (1km), UV index: 1, Rainfall today: 0.08in (2mm), Sunrise 07:35, Sunset: 16:46, Lunar phase: Waning gibbous
Saturday: Chance of Rain 39°F/41°F (4°C/5°C) | Sunday: Rain 50°F/36°F (10°C/2°C) | Monday: Mostly Cloudy 54°F/52°F (12°C/11°C) | Tuesday: Chance of Rain 54°F/32°F (12°C/0°C)
The average high for this date is 36°F (2°C), and the average low is 26°F (-3°C)
kusuriya: i know :(
sharvey: the special weather statement is fog
why could they not just mention this
benDos: Java is making it so hard to get some a damn return value :/
brycec: hey I can see a McDonalds from dxtr's window
dxtr: brycec: You can? :D
1Oh yeah
U jelly?
brycec: No... should I be?
dxtr: totally
Who doesn't want to live near a McDonalds
?
brycec: I live near one, doesn't mean I want to see it
lteo: twss
mcchunkie: Added funny: "I live near one, doesn't mean I want to see it"
benDos: Woah.
All the sudden antlr seems to be working
Hooray?
lteo: hooray!
benDos: what are you using antlr for again?
benDos: Implementing minijava
I started with bison and yacc planning to use clang+llvm
My prof suggested due to timing constraints i switch to antlr+jasmin and output to java bytecode instead of building elfs
Before it was minijava+easymode (c style and interopable) externs
Now it's minijava+plus a few syntactic sugar constructs
Did i scare everyone off with my compiler writing antics?
bison and flex*
lteo: you already scared me off when you said "Implementing minijava" ;)
benDos: But implementing languages or parts there of is so much fun :D
brycec: *thereof
benDos: Thanks ;)
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sharvey: benDos: are you flexing your compiler writing skills
kusuriya: hes trying to make us all look like mooks
sharvey: mooks?
kusuriya: @define mook
BryceBot: mook: Michael Monack (born 1983), better known by his moniker Mook, is a graffiti artist from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, United States. ... <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mook_(graffiti_artist)>
kusuriya: :/
not even close
sharvey: we're all graffiti artists?
kusuriya: mook definition: slang a foolish, insignificant, or contemptible person.
brycec: bonnie++ + gcharts, woo https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3167967/screenshot_2012-12-01_12-07-09.png
benDos: Also a mook is a supposed to die npc in a shoot-em-up movie or game
sharvey, it's for a class
I've done a few parts of this before but never the whole lexer,parser,ast,codegen,optimization together
brycec, sweet but your axis' lack labels bra
Jk
you just labeled in a weird spot :p
brycec: lack labels?
oh ha
benDos: I got it now, thanks
jrick: you know you need to start getting more sleep when you think a double can fit in a 2 byte buffer
benDos: :o
brycec: sounds legit
:P
benDos: Go to bed man.
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benDos: After a steamy shower walking into my kitchen with a just brewed cup of coffee is pure win.
qbit: and to think! you could have walked into this: http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr01/2012/11/30/12/anigif_enhanced-buzz-7145-1354298200-1.gif
pherricoxide: Apparently the raspberry pi doesn't like keyboards and mice that draw too much...
Combination of the raspberry pi only providing like 4.4V to the USB ports instead of 5V and only 100ma per port instead of up to 500ma on a normal USB port = my nice keyboards really don't get along with it (key presses get missed, keys get stuck)
ah well.. need a self powered USB hub
or a cheaper low power keyboard/mouse
dbtid: or some cheese to go with that whine
wtf do you want for $35?
brycec: OHGODQBITINEEDONEOFTHOSE
qbit: brycec: me too man :D
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zenmower: kyl
http://i.imgur.com/GB0il.jpg
benDos: qbit, have you used ATS?
Someone reminded me that some people actually use it
And I really can't figure out why
qbit: dunno what it is
benDos: http://www.ats-lang.org/
also
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/performance.php?test=regexdna
javascript's regex for them was faster than all others
jrick: all hail the all knowing language shootout
benDos: I'm just looking around a few of these
They look kind of fun, at least for java 7 i see a few that certainly can be faster
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64q/program.php?test=regexdna&lang=java&id=5
As far as I can tell, that shouldn't work
Oh jk just saw a final that fixed it :p
jrick, c doesn't have the option to trace compile
that regex test uses the same handful of already compiled regex over and over again
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qbit: jrick: i read that in a futurama-controlled-by-hypnotoad voice
i need a pbx trunk that doesn't require me to give them full access to my gmail
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benDos: Woah
Duck Duck Go is also a board game
qbit: ha
nice
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qbit: hurtsbad
also KeyandPeele is soawesome
benDos: qbit, LL parsing is way more fun than any soduko :p
qbit: eh?
benDos: I'm about to push to my repo on github
i'll link in asec
qbit: k
benDos: Also i need to set up a keyring already
https://github.com/Paretzky/minijava-jasmin-sugar/blob/master/src/minijava.g and the main test file i've been playing with is https://github.com/Paretzky/minijava-jasmin-sugar/blob/master/test/input-files/test1.java
I've been trying to get expressions to do the right thing
return c[b[a-1]]+5-(b[(c[b-c[0]])+1])+(new int[(1)+(b[a])]).length;
finally is a valid expression
It may not be semantically meaningful, but it's syntactically correct
qbit: nice
benDos: qbit, you're not going to play cod with me on xbox any time soon?
are you?
-: qbit has not an xbox :D
benDos: pfft
qbit: right?
wish they would let the ps3 / xbox game play play together
mwheeler: benDos: that looks so fucking ugly
00:56 <+benDos> return c[b[a-1]]+5-(b[(c[b-c[0]])+1])+(new int[(1)+(b[a])]).length;
benDos: mwheeler, it isn't meaningful
_jb: should've brought my damned mouse with me
benDos: Was just to test that I can handle nested expressions correctly in my parser
_jb: oosp
mwheeler: benDos: ah
zenmower: brycec: post any pictures of your dick lately?
mwheeler: :O
zenmower: mwheeler: brycec doesn't post dick pics
that would just be sad
benDos: Is that some inside joke?
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qbit: lol dick pics?
you guys need to talk to dxtr
about cockdocking
benDos: wut?
brycec: zenmower: or... do I?
zenmower: haha
lteo: kyl: i'm vindicated! http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/github-needs-take-open-source-seriously-208046
zenmower: meh
that shit is stupid
if i dont want to have a license
then i shouldn't have to have one
you want to use my code
i may sue you later
whatever
qbit: kyl: write me a golangmajobber that adds licenses to all my github repos!
GOGOGOGOGOG
-: kusuriya licenses all of qbit's github repos as copyright kusuriya
qbit: noewwwwwwwww
benDos: doesn't google code require you to be pick a license?
i don't recall that being an issue for anyone ever
to pick a*
kusuriya: github has a default DMCA license
benDos: I don't think that's accurate.
kusuriya: techincally everything on the internet unless otherwise stated is default DMCA licensed ;)
which is copyright you at time of upload
(in the US)
lteo: qbit: bro /usr/share/misc/license.template
zenmower: kusuriya is right
i believe
brycec: kusuriya is right
i am fairly certain
qbit: lteo: o/
.addtroll kusuriya is right, i am fairly certain.
lazylopez_: kusuriya is right, i am fairly certain.: was added
qbit: :D
lteo: qbit: o
and ol
lol
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rnemo: hello #devious
brycec: rnemo: !@
How goes it?
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rnemo: brycec: hi!
I'm still not dead!
that is about all I can say
brycec: well as long as it's still true, good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MURq3mPRR0
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rnemo: heh
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rnemo: what
brycec: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_ErxlI03V4 for context+gameplay
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brycec: ^ all the fiancee's fault btw
rnemo: aww
wait
fiancee?
congratulations!
brycec: gee really don't spend enough time in #devious ...
that was months ago
but thank you :)
rnemo: :)
yeah I haven't really been around
brycec: for shame
SHAME i say
what's new with rnemo ?
rnemo: idk not much
I don't officially have a computer yet (still) because I keep going back to the hospital, but I use my bfs
and more or less live at my bfs half the time
brycec: see all that is "new"...
1) hospital why?
rnemo: because it's sort of hellishly difficult to get around in my own place
brycec: 2) yay bf
rnemo: erm
were you there when I elucidated on why I'd been in the hospital so much in the first place
brycec: no... apparently not
rnemo: ah
k well
as a person with multiple sclerosis, sometimes bad shit happens
brycec: (It's not like you've posted anything about it on G+... At least Zetas_ has the courtesy to do so)
rnemo: especially if you're me and don't take anything for it
brycec: had no idea you had ms
rnemo: or didn't
I used to tend to prefer to keep it that way
anyway, had some bad exacerbations
and I'm still not really recovered
brycec: well that's all super-sucky
rnemo: right
did you know about the BF?
brycec: I don't think so, don't seem to recall it
rnemo: k well
his name is James
brycec: (I read that as Jesus, and I have no idea why and that bothers me)
rnemo: it's been a few months
and unless something surprising happens I have absolutely no doubt in my mind engaged will be a word I'll be using in the coming year
brycec: sweet
rnemo: yep :)
and um, do you know why I don't own a computer
kylezoa: oh hey rnemo
brycec: assumed you just didn't get to use it due to the whole hospital thing
rnemo: no
I don't own one
brycec: really the last big news I remember was to do with your car driving into a house and taking no damage, or something like that
rnemo: or really anything else
because, hey, guess what, insurance companies are fucking assholes
and I stayed in the hospital for the better part of a month, with one surgery
hey kylezoa
anyway, what else is new with you brycec
kyl: hi rnemo
brycec: Not much comes to mind... engaged, moving to Spokane next year, but that's everything of any significance
rnemo: hi kyl
brycec: DAMNIT How do I not have a copy of Willy Wonky
*Wonka
heads are going to roll
and bytes are going to be downloaded
kyl: lal
rnemo: lol what
-: brycec impatiently waits the 5 minutes for a bluray rip #firstworldproblems
brycec: if I had ftth/GbE internet, it would be faster :/
Well that took entirely too long, but now I can watch Willy Wonka while I work
Man I always figured Willy Wonka (the setting) looked rather German.... And having a decent bluray rip I can pause and read the posters and such. Yep, Germany.
"Filming took place in Munich in 1970..." confirmed
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bapa: Mentlegen.
brycec: damn the channel sure got dead
rnemo: heh
I suspect it does that
brycec: nope, never. we're usually non-stop....
<.<
>.>
rnemo: mhm sure