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[03:21] sharvey, i need new windows [03:21] Mine are dumb are exchange heat all willy nilly [03:32] s/b are/b and/ [03:32] Mine are dumb and exchange heat all willy nilly [03:36] *** Gallomimia_ has joined #devious [03:36] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Gallomimia_ [03:40] *** Gallomimia has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [03:40] *** Gallomimia_ is now known as Gallomimia [03:41] WOAH GAIZ [03:41] NEW VERSION OF GIT [03:42] qbit, you have more github repos than google https://github.com/google [04:04] *** benDos has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [04:08] http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6710/125/ [04:08] stop making so much sense canada [04:13] *** benDos has joined #devious [04:18] *** benDos has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [04:21] *** benDossBot has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [04:27] *** niteye has joined #devious [04:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v niteye [04:46] *** Gallomimia has quit IRC (Quit: Gallomimia) [04:48] *** benDos has joined #devious [04:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v benDos [04:48] Hai D: [04:49] s/D:/:D [04:49] Hai :D [04:49] *** benDossBot has joined #devious [04:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v benDossBot [05:03] fiunny bug in opendchub in ubuntu/debian [05:04] you can try to change the config all you want, when it starts up it will rewrite the config file with its defaults and start up without saying anything [05:05] luckily easy to fix by changing permission so it cant do that anymore [05:05] I SURE SHOWED YOU DIDNT I, YOU DIDNT SEE THAT COMING DID YOU OPENDCHUB [05:05] ha [05:09] qbit: So APPARENTLY if you're stock + rooted + custom recovery, the OTA's don't get pushed to you [05:10] Well maybe. I just went back to stock and I still haven't received the the 4.2.1 update :( [05:15] qbit: Alright got it to push by clearing data in google services framework :) Yay stock [05:43] *** tydeas has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7) [06:02] *** tydeas has joined #devious [06:05] i wish we could change operating systems so that it says everywhere dick wherever disk was [06:05] "dick size: larger than 74% of other steam users" [06:06] your dick appears to be fragmented [06:06] scanning your dick for virusus [06:20] *** lwhalen has joined #devious [06:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v lwhalen [06:31] *** fpgarcia has joined #devious [06:34] *** AmberJ_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [06:38] niteye: did your dick get quarantined? [06:39] it should be [06:41] niteye: ever get any breastmilk? [06:42] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7n1nrAaRJc not yet but this video clip is so cute it compells me to respect females more [06:42] YouTube Music: "[HD] Lenka - Trouble Is A Friend (New Version)" by muzikfanz02 (3m 27s), 1,078,085 views, 1,959 likes and 34 dislikes. Uploaded 2009-08-07T21:51:07.000Z. [06:44] well keep trying [06:45] *** AmberJ_ has joined #devious [06:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v AmberJ_ [06:46] * niteye likes katy perry's mammarian organs [06:47] i heard she had a wardrobe malfunction a while back [06:47] other end, though, i think [06:47] hola! [06:47] hi qbit [06:48] up, down, strange today? [06:48] :P [06:49] i must find a videoclip of that malfunction! [06:50] niteye: ? http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=katy%20perry%20wardrobe%20malfunction&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDMQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dxwnp7-k-sqw&ei=Fna3ULfcGoeY9QSV_YDIDQ&usg=AFQjCNGzttKujYUsooHMO5RVJvCsAYeB3g [06:50] that might be it [06:51] benDos: mine or so clean [06:51] are* [06:51] and white [06:51] the narrator is annoying and it's censored :-( [06:51] niteye: too bad [06:52] sharvey, your windows? [06:52] that's okay though, ill just use my imagination [06:52] yes [06:52] Huh [07:01] *** zentrification has joined #devious [07:06] it's annoying when computers do what i say, instead of what i mean [07:07] Use more Pascal? [07:14] *** zerdman has joined #devious [07:18] *** benDos has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [07:19] *** benDossBot has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [07:19] *** ninjapants has joined #devious [07:20] *** cmeiklejohn has joined #devious [07:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o cmeiklejohn [07:29] ninjapants: so good of you to log in this morning ;-) [07:30] -.- [07:30] I've been busy. y'know. *workin'* [07:32] howdy ninjapants [07:32] hiya! [07:32] I am surprised, I haven't had coffee today, but am still (mostly) alert [07:34] INCREDIBLE [07:35] I didn't drink much caffeine this weekend, and I've been experimenting with not having coffee. No headache yet [07:35] i always get the "helmet feel" if i don't get my morning coffee [07:35] if you know what i mean [07:36] ninjapants: I get the WORST headaches when I go cold turkey by accident [07:36] Everytime I swear up and down that I'm done with caffeine [07:36] Until the next day [07:38] I normally do. I'm not sure why this time is different, but so far so good. I realized I was leaving at least half of my morning coffee in the mug, and I have some tasty teas that I've neglected [07:38] i refuse to listen to this crazy talk [07:39] I also have cut back the amount of crap I'm eating a lot. [07:39] Cheese is normally my weakness - but I haven't had a craving in a few days [07:39] which is *huge* [07:39] twss! [07:42] Cheese is awesome [07:43] it is. but I realized last year that it's also part of the reason I break out constantly (nothing huge, but still) [07:44] for some reason the hormones in the dairy interact with my face. Within a few weeks of not eating cheese or dairy daily, I clear right up [07:50] Sucks to be a woman [07:50] I kid I kid [07:51] * piroko is listening to the new ke$ha album and FUCKING LOVING IT [07:51] * piroko flicks off everyone in the room [07:51] * qbit quits piroko as a friend [07:51] * piroko hugs qbit [07:51] so, piroko exits qbit's friend zone? [07:52] I like where this is going [07:53] lal [07:55] http://cheezburger.com/45090305 [07:55] *** cmeiklejohn has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) [07:59] qbit: haha nice [08:04] *** scrmingfist has joined #devious [08:06] *** scrmngfist has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [08:08] *** cmeiklejohn has joined #devious [08:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o cmeiklejohn [08:20] whoa [08:20] sigur ros sounding remix of a fuckbuttons song [08:20] yesplz [08:20] http://open.spotify.com/track/6R0iKZfNjebmwP7UrmWzDe [08:20] Error fetching information for http://open.spotify.com/track/6R0iKZfNjebmwP7UrmWzDe: Can't call method "find" on an undefined value [08:21] you shut your whore mouth BryceBot ! [08:21] YOU SHUT YOURS qbit [08:21] damn, was hoping noembed had got their spotify shit together [08:21] BryceBot -- dampening qbit's excitement since November 2012! [08:21] ha [08:21] ;D [08:23] anyone running full disk encryption on theys hot openbsd boxins? [08:23] I read this as you're prostituting yourself 08:30:39 < ninjapants> I've been busy. y'know. *workin'* [08:24] pffft silly qbit, OpenBSD is soooo secure it doesn't need WDE [08:26] * lteo doesn't have enough balls to do full disk encryption [08:29] If the whole disk is encrypted, how does the bootloader read the kernel and stuff? (legit question) I know that on Linux systems, you keep an unencrypted partition for /boot stuffs... Do you do the same for *BSD? [08:31] they booklearnt boot(8) to do the encryption [08:33] *** tydeas has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7) [08:35] sometimes i just want to give it all up and be a supermodel [08:35] haha [08:36] lteo how many iq points do you have to give up? [08:37] being a supermodel would be lame, having one around for recreational purposes sounds good though [08:37] zod000: you could have lteo [08:37] dbtid: enough that he might experience a freak gasoline fight accident [08:37] now BOTH your problems are solved [08:37] dbtid: i dunno, but i will just answer "world peace" to every question [08:37] lteo: you'd be better off answering "whirled peas" [08:38] haha [08:38] lteo: if you can't master Blue Steel, you won't get anywhere in modelling [08:38] they're ain't never gonna be "world peace" [08:38] zod000: I was thinking Magnum [08:38] dbtid: also a valid skill [08:38] i love the "IT'S THE SAME LOOK!" line from that movie. [08:38] * zod000 breakdance fights dbtid [08:39] me too [08:39] * dbtid whips out his gasoline can [08:39] brycec: sometimes I feel that way. [08:39] "that way" -- like you wanna have sex with girls??? [08:39] is lwhalen forcing you to, ninjapants ? [08:40] "that way" - like I'm prostituting myself. [08:40] dbtid: see scrollback or context [08:40] bad lwhalen ...or good? [08:40] brycec: nah, it's all work-related [08:40] no fun [08:40] exactly [08:40] I'm the person everyone goes to with their "little projects" [08:40] like: hey, I need a chart that has this little bit of info [08:41] ninjapants: one time, someone who i solved problems for said something like, "I could not do my job without you!" so i said, "Thanks; please tell my boss." [08:41] she did [08:41] next quarterly meeting, i got a check for a grand as a thank you [08:41] wow [08:41] nice [08:41] it helped that she was the HR boss [08:41] which turns into: oh, yeah, and I need a chart that goes with it that's clustered stacked bars with some lines included [08:41] excellent [08:41] dbtid: these are mostly from people in my group [08:41] and they all give me full credit for being awesome [08:42] aw, bummer [08:42] it's funny how often the words "and NJ put this together for us, which looks great. and she did it so quickly!" [08:42] come up in our staff meetings [08:43] Sometimes I touch Unity and think "Gee, why did I hate this so much?" and as I think on it, I realize I'm using it at 640x480, and that when scaled to run on two screens at native resolution, it crrrraaaawwwlllled. [08:46] brycec: what's Unity? [08:46] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_(user_interface) [08:46] Unity (user interface) :: Unity is a shell interface for the GNOME desktop environment developed by Canonical Ltd for its Ubuntu operating system. Unity debuted in the netbook edition of Ubuntu 10.10. It is designed to make more efficient use of space given the limited screen size of netbooks, including, for example, a vertical application switcher called the launcher. Unlike GNOME, KDE Software Compilation, Xfce, or LXDE, Unity is not a collection. [08:47] ah [08:48] *** benDos has joined #devious [08:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v benDos [08:48] Hai [08:49] halla [08:49] moin [08:50] I just sat through an hour and a half discussion whether or not games are art [08:50] It was hella rough to actually sit there and not just walk out [08:50] Fucking undergrad. [08:50] hi kyl [08:50] http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2128881_2129111_2129112,00.html [08:50] ha [08:50] oh 4chan [08:50] haha [08:51] kyl: annoyingly i found out that vmware.com themselves are offering fusion 5 at $29.99 also, but the electronic download version. had i known earlier i would've opted for the download. [08:51] coz i h9 physical media [08:51] heh this came with a flash drive which i <3 [08:51] hi dbtid [08:51] lteo, why not qemu+kvm? [08:52] kyl: last night i upgraded fusion via the flash drive without even detaching it from the CD ;) [08:52] because that sucks [08:52] benDos: because i don't have enough brain cells to figure it out [08:52] lteo: heh, the macbok pros don't have CD drives brah [08:52] so i would have had to bring it into work [08:52] oh right forgot about htat [08:53] also i have a mac mini at work without a cd drive [08:54] but that is (was) running a trial version [08:54] lteo, qemu-manager really is pretty straight forward [08:54] They've gui;fied vm setup and maintaince if you prefer that [08:54] gui-fied* [08:54] i might check it out though i would dread having to disable mpbios in the openbsd kernel every time i upgrade just to make it run in kvm [08:55] Oh yeah i have no idea about kvm on obsd [08:55] also, kvm on os x is <<<< vmware fusion [08:55] it runs way slower and is a lot more of a pita [08:55] i've done it [08:55] and i have to do it if i want to emulate a mips machine [08:55] Yeah i only know qemu and kvm on linux [08:56] i'd certainly believe it's total shit on !linux [08:56] fusion fries on the mac [08:57] anyway, bbiab runch [08:57] s/r/h [08:57] anyway, bbiab hunch [08:58] *** ninjapants is now known as ninja[chipotle] [08:58] *** Old_Soldier has joined #devious [08:59] *** cmeiklejohn has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) [08:59] ninja[chipotle]: you cruel bitch! [09:01] what the... Psy is up for Time person of the year??? [09:01] lol EL James [09:01] brycec, who would you suggest if not Psy? [09:01] Mittens? [09:01] kittens [09:02] kindof want to see the words "pussy riot" on the cover [09:02] legitmacy aside, I think it would be funny [09:02] brycec: yeah, of all the important things going on the in the world, who REALLY gives a fuck about the guy who has the most watched youtube video? someone is going to break that record, and then THEY'LL be POTY? [09:02] brycec: I know :D It just opened up near my office. [09:03] ha [09:03] ninja[chipotle], that's baller. [09:03] I work across the street from a Chipotle... only ever been there (that location) once [09:03] brycec... [09:03] * benDos unfriends [09:03] benDos... [09:03] not really a fan of chipotle [09:03] benDos: it's not a great lunch food imo [09:03] their meat has too much non-meat in it [09:03] the mcdonald's of mexican food [09:03] brycec, it's great lunch food knowning that the hour after lunch will be productivity forever lost [09:04] if i wanted gristle i'd go to mcdonald's [09:04] meh I've no complaints, never noticed any gristle ... [09:04] *** kusuriya has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [09:04] Maybe Chipotle[ohio] just hates you dbtid ? [09:04] or for that matter, sucks [09:04] Not that chipotle is the all best faux-mexican food [09:05] heh i don't go to chipotle anymore [09:05] but it's usually adequate [09:05] because qdoba 4eva [09:05] qdoba is superior [09:05] jk illegal petes [09:05] We don't have any of thse up here not even taco bell [09:05] hopefully ribo knows whats up [09:05] we have fajita grill [09:05] qdoba. queso. [09:05] IP is good too [09:05] ip is best [09:05] I should try Qdoba one of these days... [09:05] Moe's is pretty damn good [09:05] qdoba's ranchero burrito is muy bueno [09:06] get q queso burrito, then queso & chips [09:06] queeessssoooooo [09:07] *** fpgarcia has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [09:07] damn, closest qdoba is about 10mi from work (one-way) [09:07] shitty [09:08] had the same problem when in denver [09:08] luckly, the first chipotle ever was like a block away, next to illegal pete's [09:08] haha [09:09] Ooh Spokane has THREE qdboas [09:09] (North, South Hill, and Valley) [09:09] i really don't care for chipotle [09:09] versus the ONE Chipotle in Spokane (downtown) [09:10] Moes and tiajuna flats are decent though, not sure how widespread those chains are [09:10] brycec, are you checking out your mexican food options before moving? [09:10] Moe's is surprisingly widespread... but they closed the shop that was near me, so now I'm sad [09:10] benDos: already done, repeatedly in fact [09:10] *** hexreel has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [09:10] *** bapa has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [09:10] *** zod000 has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [09:10] *** addies has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [09:10] *** hexreel has joined #devious [09:10] *** zod000 has joined #devious [09:10] *** addies has joined #devious [09:10] wb netsplit refugees [09:11] So you've picked out an apt in delivery range of as many as possible? :p [09:11] ha no (apt choices are kinda suck anyways) [09:11] Besides... since when is there mexican delivery? [09:11] I live in AZ and know of NO PLACES that deliver Mexican [09:11] or hamburgers, for that matter [09:11] I'm in central new york homie [09:11] And i can get a chimichango delivered right now if i wanted [09:12] i hate you [09:12] lol [09:12] i hate you so much [09:12] It's ok i just had a gyro, and started some coffee [09:12] nomnom [09:12] *** bapa has joined #devious [09:12] But... can you get a burger delivered? [09:12] there are actually services around here you can get anything delivered from anywhere else, but it is rarely worth the cost imo [09:12] zod000++ [09:12] cheap zod is cheap [09:12] brycec, i tots can by like at least 5 or 6 places i can think of [09:12] what the hell. so not cool [09:13] * benDos lives in a college town [09:13] I can actually get things like that delivered until like 4am [09:13] * brycec lives near a collegetown [09:14] * zod000 lives in a town [09:15] * benDos lives in a town with 3 nuclear reactors [09:15] Not to brag or whatever [09:16] enjoy your extra limbs [09:16] jk [09:16] *** ninja[chipotle] has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [09:16] Just the one [09:16] ;) [09:16] *** pskept_ has joined #devious [09:16] *** pskept has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [09:20] *** alexdj has joined #devious [09:20] *** scrmingfist has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [09:20] brycec, easymode cooking > delivery anyway [09:20] About 95% of the year, my apt is stocked with stuff to make tacos/burritos [09:20] *** scrmngfist has joined #devious [09:24] zod000, delayed rebuttal I may grow some extra arms but you statistically already have or are about to fall into a sinkhole [09:25] benDos: my years of console video game training have trained me to avoid holes in the ground [09:25] To me that sounds like you're about to fall into a sinkhole [09:26] *** revberaldo has joined #devious [09:26] *** revberaldo has quit IRC (Changing host) [09:26] *** revberaldo has joined #devious [09:27] benDos: unlikely, but sinkholes really do suck [09:28] brycec, they are opening the 4th subway in my town [09:28] just opened* [09:28] more in the house ruining way than actually getting a person [09:28] All within 2 miles of each other on the same street [09:28] only 4 in your town? [09:28] zod000, limestone just isn't as baller a foundation as floridians of yesteryear thought [09:29] It was more that we have 4 of them within 2 miles on the same street it a <30k person town [09:29] Along other with sub shops ofc [09:30] it is too bad subway kinda sucks [09:30] i swear there are 30 in my area [09:31] i find their quality to be highly variable depending on the owner of the franchise [09:31] Yeah're hit or miss [09:31] Yeah [09:31] Some are ok subs for ok prices [09:31] Some pretty terrible [09:31] the one closest to work is abyssmal [09:31] damn! [09:31] *** cmeiklejohn has joined #devious [09:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o cmeiklejohn [09:31] boot(8) doesn't like my yubikey [09:31] the one near my house is decent, but there is a firehouse sub and quizno right down the road [09:31] yahoo! ok, i don't have to muck about with 1 msec time resolution, which is sadly hard to get on this chip because none of the clocks are nice that way, and i'd end up having to do ugly integer division [09:31] and a publix [09:32] oh wait [09:32] it does [09:32] congrats dbtid [09:32] hot [09:32] what changed? [09:33] qbit: setting up FDE? [09:33] brycec: the requirement :) [09:33] swoot [09:33] i could have it done in the FPGA, but that's a hassle [09:33] jrick: si [09:33] New sets for amd64! [09:33] New sets for loongson! [09:33] schweet [09:33] i could give a time base of 1024 not 1000, but he didn't like that because if we change platforms, it might be hard to generate that on the next chip [09:33] so this is a good compromise [09:34] *** ninjapants has joined #devious [09:34] wtf just happened [09:34] I came back and the channel was empty [09:35] I'm still here. [09:35] Maybe you got a funny netsplit coming? [09:36] there was a netsplit, but it said netsplit - hexreel quit [09:36] I have no idea [09:37] I was going to tell brycec that the meat that I get at the chipotles I've been to has always been tasty [09:37] no gristle. [09:37] ugh [09:37] brycec, is here for me [09:37] forgot fire alarm tests were today [09:37] ninjapants: still here [09:37] ninjapants, maybe rejoin? [09:37] I did [09:37] I see 93 nicks in the channel [09:37] right, that's after I rejoined [09:37] *** brycec sets mode: +v ninjapants [09:37] well netsplits are fun [09:38] somethin' funky went down while I was grabbing foodz [09:38] dbtid: quick pm? [09:38] brycec: any time [09:39] :( more fire alarm tests [09:39] brycec: hell, if you want to call me on the phone, you can do that, too :) [09:40] will there be more I wonder [09:40] lol dbtid harder to send URLs that method :p [09:40] besides irc lets you leave it for later if you're busy now [09:42] just read off the characters brycec [09:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v zod000 [09:42] ha [09:42] *** benDossBot has joined #devious [09:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v benDossBot [09:45] http://cheezburger.com/6796967168 [09:45] hah [09:46] ha - this one's good, too http://cheezburger.com/6813015808 [09:49] I know this must exist but i don't know of any [09:49] LaTeX-esce markdown languages? [09:49] A markdown that compiled to LaTeX would be neat [09:50] Can someone point me in the direction of something stablish? [09:50] markdown > html > latex [09:50] :P [09:50] Wut. [09:50] :P [09:51] :3 [09:51] For like, you're particular web-centric use-case? [09:51] .ymf the\nright\nway [09:51] https://mdb.io/ymf/jDr.jpg [09:51] Or, generally? [09:51] your. [09:51] you wanted a markdown that compiles to latex [09:51] compile it to html first [09:52] then use one of 8902349820 html to latex tools [09:52] I guesss [09:52] IT'S UNIX. I KNOW THIS. PIPE ALL THE THINGS. [09:53] It was more wanting to latex stuff in markdown [09:53] But yeah [09:55] ribo++ [09:55] or use pandoc [09:55] "you didn't say the magic word" [09:55] *** kusuriya has joined #devious [09:56] "cocaine" [09:56] dingdingding [09:56] markdown < html < latex [09:56] :D [09:57] HOLY CRAP an email from Pebble! I'd forgotten I'd pre-ordered a Pebble, it was that long ago... [09:57] latex > * [09:57] @wiki Pebble [09:57] Pebble :: A pebble is a clast of rock with a particle size of 4 to 64 millimetres based on the Krumbein phi scale of sedimentology. Pebbles are generally considered to be larger than granules (2 to 4 millimetres diameter) and smaller than cobbles (64 to 256 millimetres diameter). A rock made predominantly of pebbles is termed a conglomerate. Pebble tools are among the earliest known... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble [09:57] and finally, an email from them! (versus me hunting down info on the forums) [09:57] I remember I used to write all my papers in LyX [09:57] Que es un Pebble? [09:57] benDos: Pebble Watch [09:57] @wiki Pebble (watch) [09:57] Pebble (watch) :: The Pebble E-Paper Watch is an upcoming smartwatch. Developers Pebble Technology had raised venture capital for the product under their former name inPulse, but after initially failing to attract traditional investors under their new brand name, in April 2012 the Pebble became the most highly funded Kickstarter project to date. Development Initial... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble%20%28watch%29 [09:57] *** fpgarcia has joined #devious [09:58] oh neat [09:58] you should just write in texinfo [09:58] wait [09:58] it's way superior [09:58] only problem I have with all these new awesome watches is battery life : ( [09:58] brycec, didn't i just see swatch put that out [09:58] like 1:1 the same as the wiki image [09:58] heh ribo the only problem i have is i don't wear watches :p [09:58] well, that too [09:58] I might wear one if it was cool enough [09:59] like the pebble [09:59] pocket watch FTW [09:59] if it had like a 6month run time [09:59] * kusuriya puts on the hipster glasses [09:59] was just gonna say [09:59] I have a pocket watch, it's called a cell phone [09:59] i don't even remember to grab my pocket watch most mornings [09:59] heh maybe benDos [09:59] ribo: how did you know my secret? [09:59] I've seen a few [09:59] mostly i just don't care about time [09:59] are you a time lord? [10:00] When Pebble was annoued and stuff, it was new and revolutionary [10:00] *** JainAmber has joined #devious [10:00] lol ribo [10:00] ribo: well i was [10:00] Hello [10:00] until i took an arrow to the knee [10:00] but small startup has been slow, and big companies have said "hey what a neat idea, let's do it too" and I think I've seen Sony with one on the market already [10:00] kusuriya: are you sworn to carry my burdens? [10:01] zod000: nope i am the thane! [10:01] ... the DOD is building swarm drones that are anti drone attack drones XD [10:02] they are supposed to attack in swarms :D [10:02] *** cachopo has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [10:02] x86 Surface with W8 Pro Coming in early 2013. Starting at $899. No matter what, I won't spen 900 fcking dollars on anything-surface! [10:02] JainAmber: a lot of people are looking at that though [10:02] remember microsofts only strength is tight intergration with everything they have every where [10:03] my company is looking at those for field techs and outside sales [10:03] makes more sense that anything i* [10:03] like my buddys RT surface was able to get on my wireless network find my Xbox and after a few seconds of telling my xbox he is approved he was playing youtube videos from the surface [10:04] on the xbox [10:04] then at the same time i was able to from my windows machine tap the stream and watch it [10:05] there is a group of people especially enterprises that are looking at adopting surface because of the fact it works soo well with the MSFT stack they already have [10:05] or so they can enforce gpo [10:05] ^ [10:06] then again i can enforce policy on your ipad if i link it to my exchange serve :) [10:06] **server [10:06] not quite as much as you can with the w8 i imagine [10:07] actually pretty much yes :) [10:07] with android and ios it is pretty much just enforcing encrytion and passphrases [10:07] depending on what version of iphone/ipad it is [10:07] android mostly ignores most of the EAS profiles so EAS control is useless [10:07] nah, it follows it in any of the more recent versions [10:07] worse android will lie to your exchange server and tell it that it supports * and has implemented it [10:08] don't blame that on android, that can only be done via replacing the mail app with a rogue one [10:08] for all of our high security customers like banks Android* is blocked from EAS [10:08] same can be done via jailbreaking an iphone [10:08] suprisingly not, you can tell it to not implement a profile [10:09] incorrect [10:09] and if i look at your device it will show me the implementation of the profile failed [10:09] and that profile is not implemented [10:09] android (you must be rooted) will report back to my exchange server that it implemented the profile even though it didnt [10:10] if you root and then modify/replace the Email.apk, then yes [10:10] you dont have to replace the email.apk [10:10] there are apps to let you do it if you are rooted since its not that hard to do [10:10] you most certainly do, at least on 2.2 and 2.3 [10:11] well, same difference, you are replacing the mail app [10:11] nope [10:11] the app sits between email.apk and the EAS stuff [10:11] since the exchange stuff is not built into email.apk its part of a different system object [10:11] oh, so it acts in the middle [10:11] yep [10:12] most of the exchange stuff is actually built into the email.apk [10:12] but you can still attack it from in thye middle [10:12] but regardless the fact that it can so easily be done on android is why a lot of our finacial customers for their secured exchange disallow android [10:13] it is not much harder on ios, but let them do as they wish [10:13] i could do it on winmo 6 as well [10:13] meh i dont make up their rules [10:13] was much more work though [10:13] actually on winmo6 you couldnt because it checksummed its EAS :P [10:13] i assure you i could, because i did [10:14] im willing to bet it didnt lie to the exchange server ;) [10:14] and if i audited the profiles it would tell me what profiles you have disabled or "failed" [10:14] if you say so [10:15] when you did it zod000 did you ever audit your exchange profile from the servers view [10:15] because i can tell when people stop profiles with their iOS device its pretty trivial [10:16] *** Old_Soldier has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [10:16] then again if it was me and i designed theese peoples security EAS would be off all together for their secured systems [10:16] because fuck your mobile device its to easily stolen and hacked [10:18] http://boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/LOLlinguist.jpeg [10:18] lwhalen: excellent [10:18] score [10:20] * kusuriya really does hate EAS [10:21] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=x1hLREgL194 [10:21] YouTube Comedy: "Harvard Sailing Team - Hipster Thanksgiving" by HSTSketchComedy (4m 59s), 390,212 views, 2,703 likes and 96 dislikes. Uploaded 2012-11-21T18:55:56.000Z. [10:23] * qbit whispers essence of wildflower [10:24] lol I'm tethering on edge [10:25] I've done that before... was better than nothing at least [10:25] Hell, I've tethered on GPRS [10:25] True. And ssh + compression really isn't even bad [10:25] piroko, no mosh? [10:26] mosh was that latency tolerate screen + openssh mashup right? [10:26] benDos: oh you ported that to openbsd? [10:26] :P [10:26] and a weak GPRS signal no less - I hung my RAZR (those things had freakishly slow UARTs to start with) on the door of the hotel room in order to get any signal, and BT tethered from there. [10:26] kusuriya, I go about my life under the assumption that if i have it in linux you have it in openbsd [10:26] As i don't use openbsd [10:26] benDos: no screen, just latency-tolerant ssh [10:26] It hasn't really lead me to any issues [10:27] brycec, i thought it had some other features that were screen-y [10:27] would you like to be led into some issues? we know of some ;) [10:27] it will for things like MOSH since no one has had the desire to port [10:27] :P [10:27] We had a tangential discussion last night [10:27] *** fpgarcia has left [10:27] About qbit liking obsd cause nothing works and instead of being productive he's secure [10:28] I like linux cause it's easymode [10:28] :p [10:28] lol [10:28] meh i like good code [10:28] tangential [10:28] kusuriya, so you run netbsd? [10:28] too bad FBSD has issues with this system [10:29] :p [10:29] benDos: i said good code not architecture compatibility :P [10:29] qbit, what's wrong about tangential? [10:29] I like reactOS, because..umm..ok i don't [10:29] i like it [10:29] benDos: I ssh to devious [10:29] Which doesn't have mosh [10:29] piroko, gotcha [10:29] ..but pipes [10:29] =D [10:29] Though now that my home connection is stable I can give it a try... [10:29] but SSH Compression once you get SSH set right is very latency tolerant [10:29] I like Solaris cause SPARC is sexy for certain workloads. [10:30] :) [10:30] I dislike Solaris cause udev,systemd,native kvm,and Larry Ellison. [10:31] http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/videos/crazy-lady-and-vacuum-cleaner-man/ [10:31] I just got spam "Explosive Deals On Used Cars" harharhar [10:31] benDos: whats wrong with KVM :o [10:31] kusuriya, nothing [10:31] But i like native kvm [10:31] then why do you dislake solaris for having it ;) [10:31] kvm attached to other operating systems varies greatly in quality [10:31] For not having native kvm, udev, or systemd [10:31] And having far too much Larry Ellison. [10:32] qbit: in that HST video, when they drink coffee that's how i imagine you do it brah [10:32] devfs just depresses me. [10:32] well yeah the ellison is the dealbreaker for me [10:32] that and the wireless drivers they are missing for no good reason [10:32] And the lack of udev. [10:32] Hah [10:32] Fair enough [10:32] meh what they use instead of Udev does work better [10:32] Am i really the only one with such a strong preference for devfs than udev? [10:32] er [10:32] udev over devfs* [10:33] probly [10:33] *** JainAmber has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [10:33] s/$/ in here [10:33] probly in here [10:33] but solaris uses somthing a bit different [10:33] It's more or less an old bsd style devfs [10:33] At least in solaris, um [10:33] 10 or 9 [10:33] I think 10 is what i've used mostly [10:33] haha [10:33] kyl: i totally is [10:33] I am a respectable lady! I will not take this lying down! [10:33] every cup [10:33] wut. [10:34] hah [10:34] latter 10 and 11 use somthing similar to devfs but it is vastly different when you dig into it [10:34] I KNEW IT [10:34] kusuriya, locally mounting usb on solaris thin clients is pretty painful [10:34] benDos: never has been for me [10:34] Instead of doing the normal "Hey you plugged in a usb stick i mounted it here for you" [10:34] qbit: put a turkey in your butt brah [10:34] TWSS! [10:34] benDos: it always automounts for me [10:34] k [10:34] Well it does automount [10:34] but maybe thats because i know how to use it ;) [10:34] Just in a weird location [10:35] its right there in my desktop :P [10:35] but solaris has a lot of shitty bits :( [10:35] It automounts, in my setup anyway, in like /opt/someshit/someothershit/$USER/tmpsomething/something/deviceid [10:36] We also have a bunch of nfs partions that usually are machine local [10:36] if you want easy mode unix just install OSX :) [10:36] That's a weird way to abbreviate ubuntu. [10:36] Ubuntu technically is not unix [10:36] its never been certified [10:36] OS X is [10:37] ^fact [10:37] OS X is a true BSD [10:37] kyl: ^ [10:37] .addtroll OS X is a true BSD [10:37] OS X is a true BSD: was added [10:37] benDos: that is also a fact :P [10:37] I think the notion of a certified BSD has maaaybe lost some of it's meaning since 1987? [10:38] kusuriya: ask kyl what he thinks of OS X as a true BSD ;) [10:38] Vocally or sarcastically strongly opposed or fore [10:38] If i had to guess [10:38] benDos: actually OS X has a true certifcation from the UNIX group, no linux distro or BSD distro having it is the reason its all *nix and not Unix ;) [10:39] BSD for legal reasons cant call its self unix because of a lawsuit [10:39] lteo: bro you mean The One True BSD? [10:39] The UNIX group? [10:39] benDos: yep [10:39] kusuriya: btw about what you said the other day, is it true apple geniuses are even aware of OS X's BSD stuff? [10:39] http://www.unix.org/ [10:39] I know of the unix group [10:39] lteo: some are [10:39] I was just unaware that anyone cared what they said [10:40] benDos: the unix group holds the copyrights to unix [10:40] well, technically to call yourself unix you have to pass their certifications [10:40] Post SCO? [10:40] and if you use unix with out their permission they will sue your ass off [10:40] suenix [10:40] benDos: even post SCO they own the copyright to the name [10:40] Right [10:40] My point is "unix certified" used to really mean something [10:40] Evening folks. What is usually the lunch break in US? [10:41] Now, at least in my work/dev/etc community [10:41] it's more a joke than anything else [10:41] now linux, based on popularity, is hijacking that [10:41] even if you dont think it means mich now it still means a lot to enterprise [10:41] and you still cant call yourself unix without it [10:41] they just whatever dumb shit they want (systemd, pulse, etc) [10:41] CyL: all the time since everyone's goofing off all the time [10:41] and it gets called unix pretty much [10:41] kyl, you don't like systemd? [10:41] :/ [10:41] im meh on systemd [10:41] i do not [10:41] kyl, how come? [10:42] I really enjoy it [10:42] Despite it not really being unix's in that is' pretty monolithic [10:42] And maybe joining repos with udev was premature [10:42] s/premature/premature/unnessesary [10:42] And maybe joining repos with udev was premature [10:42] Thanks lazylopez_ you're the best. [10:42] the basic unix philosophy is do one thing and do it well [10:42] lteo: I mean, I tried to call someone in US, in Massachusetts, and I know it is a quarter to 2 pm right know. Would people normally be at a lunch break in USA this time? [10:42] it's not as easy to hack on [10:42] kyl, i get that [10:42] I really do [10:42] it's way too monolythic [10:42] its a bit of a mess honestly [10:42] the fuck [10:42] monolithic [10:43] In practice the nicities outweigh it being so big and do everything-y [10:43] *** chi has quit IRC (Changing host) [10:43] *** chi has joined #devious [10:43] Logging is just so much nicer [10:43] socket activation again, so much nicer [10:43] systemd > init.d much nicer [10:43] Individually anyway [10:43] like a lot of stuff linux the code and the function is kinda sloppy and seems to have a philosphy of "we will fix it in version 2" [10:44] CyL: it really depends, some people take lunch break earlier and some later [10:44] that thought process is what bit microsoft in the security ass for many years [10:44] i think it's an answer in search of a problem [10:44] ^ [10:44] lteo: Sure, but I mean the usual break. [10:44] ^^^ [10:44] adds complexity and overhead to a problem we've already solved [10:44] To me it simplified a lot of things [10:44] And makes existing things faster and easier to use [10:44] quit wasting time on shit like that and work on doing more useful things [10:44] like what [10:44] init.d was pretty simple [10:44] amen brotha [10:44] CyL: I would say that there isn't a "usual" break, besides maybe 12pm-1pm [10:45] the systemd journal, at least sounds, like the correct way to do logging [10:45] brycec: Okay, thanks. [10:45] now, you've just increased the work load [10:45] CyL: I took lunch at 10am, so ymmv [10:45] init to systemd better lets you express deps imo in processes [10:45] a bunch of people now have to figure out how the fuck to integrate systemd if they want to jump on board, or face getting shut out [10:45] plus async ftw [10:45] thats not really any simpler or better than the dmesg/syslog output [10:45] CyL: but that break applies to <50% of the working population. Lots of people take [lunch] breaks at different times [10:45] kusuriya, it really really is [10:45] Strings suck [10:45] benDos: init.d could start async [10:45] devs that could be doing something actually productive with their lives now have to spend time on this [10:45] kyl, integrating with systemd is trivial [10:45] it increases the barrier to entry [10:45] you know this [10:46] you can give it an init script and get a systemd script back [10:46] benDos: it really isnt because systemd is still spitting strings out [10:46] not if your system is built around rc.d [10:46] zod000, brycec, lteo: It is just that I got an answering machine, so I thought that was calling at a bad time. [10:46] kusuriya, no [10:46] it compresses and dedups [10:46] the on disk format is objectively far far better [10:46] benDos: it compresses and dedupes strings [10:46] for the systemd journal than dmesg [10:46] CyL: It seems more likely they didn't hear it, were busy, or didn't want to answer [10:46] CyL: some people just don't answer their phones or are in meetings and can't answer [10:46] or pooping [10:46] And index I believe [10:46] which various systemloggers were able to do [10:47] or getting coffee, or whatever other bs [10:47] kusuriya, right [10:47] few to none were default [10:47] * brycec <3 circular logs [10:47] Heh [10:47] BTW, would anyone recommend a good RFID module manufacturer company? [10:47] again that doesnt make systemd any simpler [10:47] I <3 any in disk format that is indexable [10:47] CyL: module being...? [10:47] that actually makes it more complex [10:47] simpler to do interesting things with [10:47] also [10:47] rfid reader, or card? [10:47] more complex in implementation [10:47] brycec: The transceptor that would interface to a computer. [10:47] lennart poettering is involved [10:48] Well yeah [10:48] and more complex in use [10:48] But people are auditing his code kyl :p [10:48] kusuriya, i haven't found that to be true [10:48] different, but not more complex [10:48] because now if i want to centralize it i have another piece of software to deal with [10:48] *** cmeiklejohn has quit IRC (Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]) [10:48] instead of having it all pumped into my system logger which i already have setup to export logs [10:48] *** mcchunkie has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [10:48] I believe you can just tell systemd which logs go where [10:48] local files or remote transport [10:48] anyways, those are my feelings [10:48] you are free to choose what you want for your distro [10:49] but i won't be supporting anything using systemd [10:49] its still another piece of software you now have to configure :P [10:49] Fine. [10:49] kyl: sooner or later with how things go you may not have a choice sadly [10:49] let's merge systemd and autotools [10:49] kusuriya: or i stop using linux [10:49] We can agree that systemd will not bring about the year of the linux desktop [10:50] make linux go the way of windows in my life [10:50] kyl: most BSDs are looking at having to port and use things like udev and systemd due to applications pulling in more and more linuxisms [10:50] and the AF_BUS in kernel is lovely [10:50] but systemd is like pulseaudio [10:50] http://lwn.net/Articles/504722/ short description if you're curious [10:50] a solution in search for a problem [10:51] kyl, will you refuse to use AF_BUS? [10:51] In favor or muuuuuuch more expensive 0mq or similar? [10:51] s/or/of/ [10:51] In favof of muuuuuuch mofe expensive 0mq of similar? [10:51] damn typod. [10:51] I don't know enough about AF_BUS to comment [10:51] *** cmeiklejohn has joined #devious [10:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o cmeiklejohn [10:51] 0mq is awesome [10:51] ^ [10:52] guys [10:52] gusy [10:52] NODE [10:52] and multiplatform, and network-friendly, and and and [10:52] qbit: bro ZMOG RLY [10:52] * qbit dusts off his hands and walks away [10:52] AF_BUS is AF_UNIX + reliable multicast more or less [10:52] qbit: node > *? [10:52] we should just write an os in node [10:52] for performance [10:52] For proximity to metal. [10:52] for baremetal performance [10:52] benDos: AF_BUS looks more like its AF_UNIX with dbus and multicast roled into it [10:52] Beat ya to it brycec ! [10:53] kusuriya, dbus in AF_BUS? [10:53] by 1 second... I shouldn't have paused to consider adding emphasis to _baremetal_ [10:53] so i dont know if its anybetter or worse [10:53] some just said roll. did they mean spring roll? i'm here now [10:53] benDos: according to what you linked thats one of its goals [10:53] mmm spring rolls [10:53] ohai lt [10:53] Well yeah [10:53] That's what she said!! [10:53] *** brycec sets mode: +vv kusuriya lteo [10:53] awyeah [10:53] But it isn't integrated with af_bus [10:53] replace dbus due to resorce starvation [10:53] that's it's main target [10:53] wait [10:53] did qbit say node? [10:53] brycec: <3 [10:53] *** kyl sets mode: -v qbit [10:53] WHAT [10:53] lol, she said "Well yeah" [10:53] but dbus's message passing is not very different from most other message passing [10:53] lots of pubsub and you'd like reliable multicast [10:54] i'm glad i have regained my +virginity even after offending a #devious god [10:54] im not sure why an IPC would need multicast honestly [10:54] its an IPC [10:54] You can implement exchangers without unix sockets [10:54] kusuriya, my irc bot does multicast ipc [10:54] lteo: I got tired of seeing a space before your nick. You're still on ice. [10:54] lol [10:54] kusuriya, each message gets pushed out on a multicast socket [10:55] *** kyl sets mode: +v qbit [10:55] all the plugins see the messages and respond accordingly [10:55] i use 0mq pubsub in my bot as well [10:55] Yeah pubsub is really quiet common [10:55] Having it in kernel with badass af_unix underlying support makes it about as fast as you can hope for it to be [10:56] kyl: talking bout speed, did i read it right in your benchmarking post that ruby is faster than pythong? ;) [10:56] lol [10:56] I seem to recall the very opposite [10:56] i don't remember the numbers offhand, is definitely possible [10:56] I would imagine it depends on the workload and language implementation [10:56] and highly likely [10:57] benDos: that still doesnt awnser why id want it :P [10:57] pubsub? [10:57] multicast IPC [10:57] Right, pubsub. [10:57] ^ [10:58] @wiki Publish-Subscribe Design Pattern [10:58] Messaging pattern :: In software architecture, a messaging pattern is a network-oriented architectural pattern which describes how two different parts of a message passing system connect and communicate with each other. In telecommunications, a message exchange pattern (MEP) describes the pattern of messages required by a communications protocol to establish or use a communication... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messaging%20pattern [10:58] Um [10:58] very very useful [10:58] *** ninjapants is now known as ninja[meeting] [10:58] benDos: um yourself -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=Publish-Subscribe+Design+Pattern [10:58] Publish–subscribe pattern :: In software architecture, publish–subscribe is a messaging pattern where senders of messages, called publishers, do not program the messages to be sent directly to specific receivers, called subscribers. Instead, published messages are characterized into classes, without knowledge of what, if any, subscribers there may be. Similarly, subscribers express interest in one or more classes, and only receive messages that [10:59] haha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOtzvi4tiig [10:59] YouTube Comedy: "Harvard Sailing Team - Puppy Pictures!!!" by HSTSketchComedy (3m 31s), 309,649 views, 1,483 likes and 49 dislikes. Uploaded 2011-08-02T15:28:35.000Z. [10:59] now i'm caught watching HST [10:59] kusuriya, "Hey every active program that cares, there's a usb stick now at /dev/whatever" etc [11:00] *** niteye has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [11:00] "Hey every program that cares, the network interface just went down/up" etc [11:00] benDos: meh i just havent delt a lot with IPC honestly [11:00] directly anyway [11:00] I've done a fair bit, on unix sockets and with network protocols [11:00] i have used it quite a bit [11:00] it? [11:00] That's what she said!! [11:00] BryceBot, no [11:00] Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'it?' [11:01] last time i even started looking into it i was thinking of playing wiht HURD [11:01] and it made my head hurt [11:01] That's what she said!! [11:01] The kernel based IPC has several benefits for D-Bus over the userspace [11:01] emulation: [11:01] - Context switching between userspace processes is reduced. [11:01] - Message data copying is reduced. [11:01] - System call overheads are reduced. [11:01] - The userspace D-Bus daemon was subject to resource starvation, [11:01] client contention and priority inversion. [11:01] - Latency is reduced [11:01] - Throughput is increased. [11:01] Sorry for flood :/ [11:01] *** benDos was kicked by brycec (FLOOD) [11:01] *** benDos has joined #devious [11:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v benDos [11:01] I said sorry :/ [11:01] ha [11:01] that's what put you over the edge! [11:01] * benDos checks his +v [11:01] Ok [11:01] phew [11:01] no no, it was the same time as I hit enter [11:01] besides, I didn't know how many more lines would flood [11:01] at least you didn't lose your +virginity, benDos [11:02] *** brycec sets mode: -vv lteo benDos [11:02] :D [11:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v benDos [11:02] :p [11:02] *** brycec sets mode: -vv lteo benDos [11:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v benDos [11:02] Hay. [11:02] ha [11:02] Not cool mang. [11:02] yeah it's not cool to hang out with lteo. i get that [11:02] "not cool" would be if I removed +V from you :P [11:03] but yeah I wont argue the merits for AF_BUS i dont know enough about the topic :D [11:03] *** _^ has joined #devious [11:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v _^ [11:03] *** pskept_ is now known as pskept [11:03] _^: hi Guest38271 [11:03] damnit _^ get a real nick [11:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v pskept [11:03] kusuriya, fair enough [11:03] oh hai piro^wGuest234234 [11:03] You guys suck [11:03] *** piroko is now known as _^_ [11:03] *** _^ is now known as piroko [11:03] kusuriya, but those are the kind of use cases that dbus makes way easier [11:03] *** _^_ is now known as _^ [11:03] Without that kind of centralized setup [11:03] *** brycec is now known as ^_^ [11:03] <^_^> :D [11:03] It just sucks to standardize that kind of thing [11:03] i don't even know what kind of facial expression _^_ would be [11:03] .|.. :D [11:03] haha [11:03] ok, benDos [11:03] I love you [11:04] mosh [11:04] Is amazing [11:04] Heh :p [11:04] Kew [11:04] *** ^_^ is now known as brycec [11:04] Thanks btw [11:04] yeah i like the idea behind mosh [11:04] i have never used it [11:04] i just wish it wasnt GPL3 [11:04] Neither have it qbit :p [11:04] I totally just disabled an entire interface, enabled another interface, and it reconnected [11:04] have I [11:04] I mean it makes sense since it's udp [11:04] But still. Fucking mindblown [11:04] makes me never want to hack on it honestly [11:04] kusuriya: How about dishonestly? [11:04] kusuriya, at what point is linux not unix [11:05] I mean it ships a ton of non-kernel things in tree [11:05] yesss another launch coin is coming [11:05] That's what she said!! [11:05] benDos: at the point its not certified to call itself UNIX ;) [11:05] linux was a unix clone from the start [11:05] It's largely arbitrary imo and for systemd the things that become easier out weight the potential for more complicated code bases [11:05] *** mcchunkie has joined #devious [11:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v mcchunkie [11:05] but seriously its getting further and further away from unix like [11:05] That's a good thing [11:06] systemD honestly provides no real benifit that wasnt already there [11:06] mosh has had a couple of vulns [11:06] I just told you the benefits kusuriya :/ [11:06] you did [11:06] and some of the way it does things don't strike me as being suitably secure [11:06] and all those things were already there [11:06] For applications and users, integration between programs gets easier [11:06] It standardizes a lot of ad hoc solutions [11:07] there was already a pretty basic standard there [11:07] was there? [11:07] I thought there were a few [11:07] And programs had to deal with a bunch of locations to check for things [11:07] accessing the systemlog was pretty standard and pretty easy to access [11:08] But slightly different log formats between various programs [11:08] Also may have required root [11:08] May have disclosed non-related things [11:08] *** Gallomimia has joined #devious [11:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Gallomimia [11:08] It's a software engineering win, and a unix philosophical lose [11:08] requireing elevated perms to read system logs doesnt strike me as a problem [11:09] meh call it what you want [11:09] I feel like i'm not going to convince you. [11:09] Oh well [11:09] nope [11:09] I never convince anyone of anything in here... [11:09] because again its a solution looking for a problem [11:09] Baaaah [11:09] * benDos drops it [11:09] had there been an actual problem to solve ;) [11:09] *** sjoos_ has joined #devious [11:09] for example, pulse audio was a good example of a problem being solved [11:10] we need more of that [11:10] right lteo? [11:10] wait whut [11:10] it's too bad openbsd hasn't gotten its ass in gear and added support [11:10] lteo, pulseaudio [11:10] haha [11:10] *** ninja[meeting] has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [11:11] * lteo keeps quiet ;) [11:11] lteo: it's the best audio subsystem ever isn't it? brah [11:11] are you saying it's not!? [11:12] benDos: you have me sort of convinced about AF_BUS as a consoleation prize [11:12] one way to tell if a subsystem is good or not.. [11:12] is if it has a beard [11:12] ^ [11:12] no beard.. no good [11:13] frankly i don't know anything about audio on *nix [11:14] wish there was someone named "frankly" in the chan [11:15] *** JainAmber has joined #devious [11:19] i wonder if rubinius will make ruby less painful [11:19] what is rubinius? [11:19] how is ruby painful? [11:19] lteo, the onyl way to make ruby better is jruby [11:19] I'm sorry [11:20] kyl, rubinus is like pypy [11:20] self hosted ruby [11:20] the only way to make ruby better is to uninstall it [11:20] kusuriya, i'll convince you about systemd [11:20] for now i'm doing maths though [11:20] kyl: from website "Rubinius is software that translates the code for the Ruby programming language such as" [11:20] kusuriya: that made ruby 100% better for me [11:20] jruby on openjdk 7 [11:20] puts "hello world" [11:20] benDos: the only way you could is if you could find an actual problem systemd solved [11:20] and turns it into efficient machine code like this [11:20] push %rbp; mov %rsp, %rbp; push %rbx; subq $0x98, %rsp; cmp $0x0, 0x10(%rcx); call 0xffffffffff472010; jmp 0x9c; … [11:20] ha [11:21] lteo, that asm doesn't seem terrible? [11:21] Though annotated asm is way easier to read, cause i have no idea what is at 0xffffffffff472010; [11:21] i dunno brah, last i wrote asm was 17 years ago [11:21] Fuck i mean i'm quietly doing math and not on irc.. [11:22] objdump == <3 though [11:22] lteo is a slacker! [11:22] meh, rubinius just became unusable for me. ruby 1.9 not supported [11:23] brycec: that's unfortunately true right now in terms of OSS contribution ;) [11:23] jruby supports 1.9.... [11:23] :( i need a new programming laptop [11:23] i have a problem with the 'j' ;) [11:23] i have a problem with the ruby part [11:24] so its rounded :D [11:24] lteo, i can't think of a good reason why you'd be fine with ruby but not java [11:24] Not that there aren't good reasons to dislike java [11:24] benDos: Hipser [11:24] inf problems? [11:24] ruby has most if not all of those traits though [11:24] Ruby syntax looks like someone pulled off all the symbols from their keyboard, inserted them into a shotgun and shot them into a $20 hooker that had been dead for 3 days.. [11:24] might not be possible to roll out java to everything? [11:24] ...but you only write java once [11:24] not as hipster as qbit [11:24] then run it everywhere [11:24] or doing so would require drastic changes to everything? [11:25] * kusuriya clones qbit's node repo [11:25] You can't clone a clone [11:25] der [11:25] They tried that with Dolly [11:25] All the dna just broke 'n shit [11:25] multiplicity told me you can clone a clone [11:25] so you _can_ clone a clone, just that the dna breaks [11:25] and hollywood has never lied to be before [11:26] **me before [11:26] lteo, but you need the dna for the clone to really be a clone [11:26] otherwise it's just a bunch of spaghetti code [11:26] benDos: just a few details doesn't matter [11:26] Fine [11:26] What if i did your ruby and you did my calculus [11:26] that seems fair. [11:27] benDos: ill do your calculus but you have to do my engineering department application [11:27] you sure you want me to do your calculus? i thought you wanted to graduate ;) [11:27] lteo, i reallllly want to graduate [11:27] whatever, lteo is a doctor... OF SCIENCE [11:27] he can make it happen [11:27] Yeah lteo i figured you must be good at calculus [11:27] lol [11:27] I thought you did a lot of crypto stuffs [11:27] lteo is a science hero [11:28] lordy i can't type "make" [11:28] comes out mkae every time [11:28] Or not math-y crypto stuff? [11:28] benDos: no brah that was one of my professors. i only did the typesetting for one of the crypto conference proceedings [11:29] Oh [11:29] Ok [11:29] i did give a few lectures on crypto though but i've forgotten most of it [11:29] Fine don't do my calculus then [11:29] you could have just said that [11:29] No need for a long backstory [11:29] That's what c0sh said! [11:30] *** ckrailo has joined #devious [11:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v ckrailo [11:31] Idk that came off as facetious [11:31] I'm just cranky today [11:31] Sorry [11:32] no worries brah [11:34] :P [11:35] benDos: stop stressing you get to do funstuff [11:35] :) [11:35] What do you mean? [11:35] I've been cocking back and swinging my face with great force into the brick wall of calc 2 for too damn long [11:36] you're almost done [11:36] never give up! never surrender! [11:36] :D [11:36] thanks to qbit for saying that to me back then [11:36] haha [11:36] thank the super nintendo for saying it to me! [11:36] And after all this i'll have a lonely Bachelors of Art degree [11:39] wew swapping four and a half gigs [11:39] lol batchelor of arts [11:39] http://opensourceecology.org/ [11:39] Science > Art [11:40] qbit: ive been following that since they started [11:40] shutup.. [11:40] I know but that's the degree i'm getting [11:40] at least your degree isn't BS ;) [11:40] dont know its a BA most BAs are BS :D [11:41] Tbh it seems to not matter tbh [11:41] it really doesn't [11:41] i actually want a BSE [11:41] but i need to find the time [11:41] I have a degree in comp sci and if someone talks to me for more than a minute they'll know i'm better than most master's they'll speak to [11:41] funny, because in other countries there are so many Bachelor of (whatever) [11:42] In Futurama there's Bachelor Chow [11:42] yeah [11:42] But i don't think that's what you're talking about [11:42] gaiz [11:42] my bachelor's degree is Bachelor of Computing ;) [11:42] i'm going back to werk [11:42] *whoosh* [11:42] Bye benDos! [11:42] halo thar guize [11:43] aw [11:43] $ ruby poop [11:43] ruby: No such file or directory -- poop (LoadError) [11:43] oh i misspelled it as pooop [11:44] lol [11:44] lol [11:44] Lol so my class uses math terms not found anywhere else online [11:44] lawlz [11:44] hate it when my poop has a load error [11:44] but from out textbook [11:44] super cool [11:44] that was fast [11:44] I drank a lot of coffee today though [11:45] so my poop should load doublequick [11:45] i don't care what y'all say, but ruby's Array.delete_if is kinda awesome [11:45] it's ok, I love ruby too [11:45] ribo: any opinion on rubinius? [11:45] *ahem* the 'thong's generator expressions [11:46] though i am caring less and less about python erraday [11:46] lamb duh [11:46] hmm wonder how hard it would be to make an email/calendar notifier using AF_BUS [11:46] lteo: I'll care more when its 1.9 compat [11:46] will you care less and less about Go someday? ;) [11:46] ribo: same [11:46] lteo: bro possibly [11:46] i'm open to that [11:47] i mean, i was all about python until Go came along [11:47] a Go-killer is feasible [11:47] but ruby is not that [11:47] python people have serious ruby envy [11:47] i didn't [11:47] i don't like ruby because i've used it [11:48] they even try to make fun of ruby in comments, hurr hipsters use ruby & wear tight jeans [11:48] etc. [11:48] heh [11:48] oops i do wear tight jeans [11:48] meh C# > ruby is all i can say [11:48] lol [11:48] they're just jealous because ruby devs are all about ascii dongs and no one points that out [11:48] when ruby has an entire OS programmed out of it ill consider chaning my position [11:48] the only thing i use python for anymore is ipython-type tasks [11:49] stuff in a repl [11:52] man fuck you linux mint [11:52] all i want is monodevelop [11:52] aw, where's the pun in that? [11:52] whoa an actual linux mint user found in the wild [11:53] an actual mono user in the wild, too [11:53] pretending that C# is relevant [11:53] :D [11:54] fucking. mosh. holyshitthisiscool [11:54] I keep switching from ethernet to wifi just to watch it reconnect. lol [11:55] lol [11:59] This fucking guy [11:59] http://i.imgur.com/X4hbx.jpg [11:59] * benDos hates calc2 so hard [11:59] Hullo [11:59] *** scrmngfist has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [11:59] I just had this conversation with my friend: [11:59] Friend: All I wish is that there were more hours everyday! ...... Me: As long as elon musk is alive, I think someday we might have days longer than 24 hours! :D [12:00] ;) [12:01] i like that delayed ;) effect [12:02] :D <-- This one also belongs to previous conversation! [12:03] (sorry for the delay) [12:03] :P <--- My reply to lteo's comment! [12:04] qbit: Fuck you [12:04] wat [12:04] qbit: You made me laugh out loud at work [12:04] Now people know [12:04] lol [12:04] \o/ [12:05] I am now going to disconnect my laptop from ethernet, walk my computer over to a friend to show him this image, and then come back and watch mosh reconnect [12:05] aw, piroko exits qbit's friend zone and now piroko is giggling at qbit's jokes over the intarwebs. young love.. [12:05] d'awee [12:05] :D [12:07] Woo [12:07] Submitting this exam [12:07] yay! [12:07] Which i am near 100% certain i failed [12:07] hooray [12:10] higgidy [12:10] Few things frustrate me more than failing math tests cause they disallow the tools I use to do math [12:11] that is totally not math [12:11] matlab is not allowed on your tests? [12:11] What? [12:11] sheesh! [12:11] bastards. [12:16] This made me literally laugh out loud 13:04:50 <+piroko> qbit: You made me laugh out loud at work [12:17] it made you llol? [12:18] lteo: The huehuahua thing? Yes [12:18] I'm currently watching the mosh techincal youtube video. It's really interesting [12:18] piroko: i was referring to brycec's "literally laugh out loud" as "llol" [12:19] anything techincal must be interesting [12:19] output from my poop script [12:19] $ ruby poop [12:19] yo [12:19] ^ that indicates success, yay! [12:21] What if it had output nosotros? [12:21] yo poop! [12:22] does anyone happen to know what protocol java in a browser uses to check if a signed applet is ok? [12:23] *** cmeiklejohn has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) [12:23] lteo, network protocol or the actual signing? [12:23] netowrk protocl [12:23] network protocol [12:23] TCP + SSL cert classes? [12:23] I believe it checks the cert locally [12:23] ah ok [12:23] I'm not 100% [12:23] for applets but for java security managers in general [12:24] they do local checks [12:24] ok thanks. it kinda makes sense if they already have local CA certs and stuff [12:25] lteo: oh [12:25] I actually thought it relied on the system's crypto perhaps not though [12:25] fuck me. This was one of the best technical presentations I've ever seen [12:25] I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't use your systems trusted ca's [12:25] http://mosh.mit.edu/#techinfo [12:25] This guy is a baller [12:27] a ballmer? [12:28] @chairflip [12:28] ... mcchunkie [12:28] no [12:28] har har har [12:30] I assume some of you have suggestions for being more productive when living with a significant other? [12:30] I've found i get much less work done since my gf moved in [12:30] Instead of spending my nights coding cause i don't have something better to do, i do stuff with her [12:30] benDos: There is no suggestion. Enjoy your time with her :) [12:30] I do [12:31] But i think at the expense of my classwork [12:31] Tell her you have to get yo shit done [12:31] ..oohkay [12:31] Maybe i just need to drop off irc till after the semester's over [12:31] We'll see [12:32] I liked to go to panera with my (now) wife. She would read reddit or a book or something while I did my homework with my headphones on [12:32] Hmm [12:32] Or when she was in college she would do work too. lol [12:32] Yeah I have the same problem benDos [12:32] Yeah my gf just finished school and i'm not done yet [12:32] though we find time to do our own thing too [12:32] i really just need to better manage time for busywork i have to pay to do [12:33] (most of my coursework) [12:33] That's really the key [12:33] I have to write a paper on whether video games are art, and cite it [12:33] and shit like that just rubs me the wrong way [12:33] Why it matters is perhaps a more interesting question [12:33] why college matters is a question in itself [12:34] Also why is it so fucking expensive in the US [12:34] But "Are Video Games Art?" is not interesting or inciteful [12:34] true [12:34] Tbh engineering degrees have a purpose imo [12:35] But my cs track also requires i take a bunch of math, the math dept is small so all the upper division math is taught for people who are becoming math teachers [12:35] I wish they required more math from cs tbh [12:35] Just not taught in a way that expects us to be teaching it to someone else on a blackboard [12:35] It's fucking annoying and i don't think i'll be able to get over it [12:41] OK edge tethering + mosh is awesome. I can totally tether to my hearts content, not worry about going over on my data plan, and ssh is still usable [12:43] And it makes me feel hipster for using ancient cell technologies [12:44] If you really wanted to feel hipster, you'd master dc [12:44] *** Gallomimia has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [12:44] *** Gallomimia has joined #devious [12:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Gallomimia [12:45] qbit, might not even be hipster enough to use dc on a regular basis [12:45] dc? [12:45] The calc app? [12:45] Yup [12:45] rpn yo [12:46] dude fuck that I have an hp48g and an hp32 sitting on my desk right fucking now [12:46] pish [12:46] my calculator uses DC [12:46] ...dc is arbitrary precision [12:46] the one true current [12:46] aren't those fixed point piroko? [12:46] benDos: Yes [12:46] So there [12:46] When you need to be accurate to 116 decimal places [12:47] dc is the app you want [12:47] I'll no longer be a programmer :P [12:48] s/p/b [12:48] I'll no longer be a brogrammer :P [12:48] Idk [12:49] holy mercury water! [12:51] So google translate doesn't speak persian.. [12:51] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2240160/Irans-navy-showcases-bright-new-warship---damage-wont-coming.html [12:51] I was curious if the persian word for turquoise was any manlier [12:51] http://translate.google.com/#auto/fa/turquoise does not help. [12:54] *** sjoos_ has quit IRC (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) [13:11] maybe the iranian elite forces wear turquoise uniforms [13:12] I hope so [13:12] I'd lol something fierce [13:13] *** perlite_ has joined #devious [13:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v perlite_ [13:15] *** perlite has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [13:15] *** perlite_ is now known as perlite [13:21] *** cmeiklejohn has joined #devious [13:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o cmeiklejohn [13:29] benDos: just noticed your rant above. i feel for you bro, the university system is totally broken [13:31] kusuriya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhn3rTnpk0g [13:31] YouTube News: "Alex Jones money MONKEY BOMB (DANCE LIKE A PRIMATE)" by PRISONFORYOURMIND1 (2m 57s), 830 views, 19 likes and 4 dislikes. Uploaded 2011-03-04T21:16:51.000Z. [13:31] wat [13:32] kusuriya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct21YCEiWMM [13:32] YouTube News: "Alex Jones Goes Ape" by vilemonkey (52s), 25,262 views, 165 likes and 46 dislikes. Uploaded 2010-04-08T01:26:30.000Z. [13:33] wtf [13:34] or, kusuriya, how about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIjA0qnU_hc [13:34] YouTube Entertainment: "Alex Jones's Impression of a Obama supporter (((BEST MOMENT)))" by meegowl (4m 58s), 26,255 views. Uploaded 2009-05-12T14:07:41.000Z. [13:39] *** zerdman has left [13:42] what is this garbage I'm looking at [13:43] i dunno, what garbage are you looking at? [13:45] OH BAWWWWMAAA [13:45] guy is a tool lol [13:45] hmm? [13:45] oh the alex jones videos [13:45] this stuff you just posted lol [13:45] i'm guessing you don't know who he is [13:45] I don't [13:46] the reason i said " kusuriya: " [13:46] was because no one else here knows who he is [13:46] dude is hilarious [13:51] It's really fun fucking around with mosh's predictive echo engine [13:52] Making it delete my prompt and shit [13:55] oh I know who Alex Jones is... and that's why I didn't waste my time clicking :p [13:57] *** brabo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [13:59] *** brabo has joined #devious [13:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v brabo [14:02] I'm gonna leave my mosh session up and sleep my laptop and take my laptop home and see what happens tomorrow when I open it back up at work [14:09] *** JainAmber has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [14:29] *** lwhalen has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [14:48] quick -- someone hack piroko's bidness and disconnect him! [15:21] *** ld[away] has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [15:23] yer a quick [15:43] *** Gallomimia has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [15:43] *** cmeiklejohn has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) [15:51] Opened up laptop after I got home. ssh still connected [15:51] Fuck yea [15:51] aw man [15:51] jelly [15:52] jelly you say [15:52] does that mean [15:52] it's peanut butter and jelly time? [15:52] jealous [15:53] pfft that's not as much fun as pbj time [15:55] sharvey: Why are you jelly? Install mosh! [15:57] piroko, can you run SOCKS over mosh? [15:57] I suppose i could just google that.... [15:58] neat [15:58] seems so [16:06] can you vpn over it? :O [16:29] *** cachopo has joined #devious [16:41] *** Gallomimia has joined #devious [16:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Gallomimia [17:06] *** cmeiklejohn has joined #devious [17:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o cmeiklejohn [17:13] *** cachopo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [17:20] *** Gallomimia has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [17:22] *** Gallomimia has joined #devious [17:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Gallomimia [17:30] "Letting the Internet be rewired by bureaucrats would be like handing a Stradivarius to a gorilla." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324352004578136902821852508.html [17:30] win [17:30] the quote anyway [17:31] mmmm... I just averaged 300MB/s write speed to rotating media [17:31] How big of a write? [17:31] bs=128M [17:31] I mean overall [17:31] how many rotating media? [17:32] benDos: about 40G [17:32] Lefty: 4 drives :P [17:32] and read was 465MB/s [17:32] Oh across 4 drives yeah that sounds pretty solid [17:32] RAID0? [17:32] ZFS zpool [17:33] Hah yeah raidz=<3 [17:33] not raidz [17:33] just a zpool [17:33] Isn't that the same thing? [17:33] I don't do much zfs [17:33] no, raidz is raidz [17:33] I can tell you in detail about the internal caching algorithms it uses for pages but i don't remember the userspace stuff :x [17:33] it's only raidz if you set it up as raidz (zpool create $name raidz blah blah blah) [17:34] gotcha [17:34] That's pretty sweet io [17:34] but this is just plain zpool which is a lot like raid0 [17:34] yeah it is :) [17:34] Gotcha [17:34] now to destroy and test raidz performance [17:34] I get in the mid to upper 200's on my RAID10 [17:34] That said it's with about 5 year old WD desktop drives [17:35] And RAID10 != RAID0 :p [17:40] Now THIS is what I call performance! (fuck yeah caches) 3355443200 bytes transferred in 2.079781 secs (1613363672 bytes/sec) [17:41] 1.6GB/s [17:41] that doesn't look like bonnie++? [17:41] It's dd [17:41] quick and dirty test [17:41] That's what c0sh said! [17:42] Do a quick bonnie test :p [17:42] fine [17:42] Yay [17:42] * benDos <3's io specifics [17:47] brycec, did you catch http://youtu.be/-qv7k2_lc0M ? [17:47] YouTube Comedy: "Key & Peele: Obama Loses His SH*T" by comedycentral (2m 48s), 5,327,683 views, 36,878 likes and 2,057 dislikes. Uploaded 2012-01-11T21:11:32.000Z. [17:55] no I didn't bother [17:55] * brycec doesn't click *every* url [17:55] * brycec has learned not to click every url [17:55] you don't??? [17:55] * dbtid hunts for URLs for brycec to click [17:55] lol [17:56] http://goatse.cx [17:56] :o [17:57] Oooh a .cx, it must be friendly and safe for the family! [17:57] @tld cx [17:57] The top-level domain 'cx' is used for: Christmas Island. [17:57] ^ [17:57] brycec: i know thats why goatse lost their domain [17:57] :P [17:58] and now its owned by some one offering free email ... [17:58] ... [17:59] launch rock needs a lesson in internet history [18:00] woo finalyl starting the rewriting phase [18:12] *** ckrailo has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) [18:34] *** ambigu0us has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [18:38] benDos: You can???? I imagine that wouldn't work well [18:38] Because mosh was programmed specifically with terminal emulation in mind [18:38] Also, FUCK MEDIASERVER [18:38] er wait [18:38] That might actually be because I was playing music today lol [18:45] It's pretty neat being able to just open my fucking laptop and have irc just waiting for me [18:47] *** tallship has quit IRC (Quit: Too Hip gotta go - Going..... Down..... Mr. Tyler?) [19:05] there are only two good fonts for programming [19:05] or whatever [19:05] comic sans and? [19:05] and GohuFont [19:05] wingdings [19:05] and the one xterm uses [19:05] lefty is correct [19:06] revberaldo loses [19:06] i've become a fan of anonymous pro [19:06] haha, I'm not playing on level hard [19:06] revberaldo: well, that was your final life, so i guess that's game over [19:06] thanks for playing though! [19:06] Bitstream vera! [19:07] does that mean I'll have to wait for respawn time? [19:07] Lefty: i tried it, but it didn't look as good [19:07] kyl, it's a good font, but I remember it being not sharp [19:07] revberaldo: you'll have to wait until the next game [19:07] I like when fonts look sharp [19:07] revberaldo: i'm looking at it on a retina display... it's sharp [19:07] this display has made me much pickier [19:08] you mean a display with a decent resolution [19:09] well, I don't have one, unfortunately [19:09] what's the resolution by the way? [19:09] one sec [19:09] 1920x1200 on a 15" screen [19:10] *** cmeiklejohn has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) [19:11] hm i thought retina was higher [19:11] not on the mbp [19:11] that's pretty good [19:11] ^ [19:11] yeah [19:12] has already ruined all the backgrounds i had before [19:12] i cant argue with it because its awesome, and you have one [19:12] can't set the profound programmer backgrounds anymore [19:12] don't get me wrong, i still <3 my x230's 1366xwhatever display [19:12] but this is extremely crisp [19:12] yeah i wish more people gave the 1920x1200 option [19:13] ha, I guess it is [19:13] because i really have issues with how apple builds their systems now [19:13] you're running OS X? [19:13] kusuriya, agreed [19:13] the soldered ram is like a giant middle finger [19:14] yes [19:14] and i have the thinkpad as my upgradeable system / portable server [19:15] Apple hardware looks good and has decent amounts of power. I'd have one. I'd never run OS X though. [19:15] my new wallpaper thanks to kyl: http://i.imgur.com/0z831.jpg [19:16] it's exactly how it feels to try getting tables and figures in reasonable places in LaTeX [19:17] i have the posters of http://i.imgur.com/ES6sP.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/S4N65.jpg [19:19] LOL [19:19] kusuriya: did you see the videos i linked you earlier? [19:23] oh mang you gaiz are making me remember the horrible LaTeX stuff i tried hard to forget [19:24] \clearpage! [19:24] >{\centering\arraybackslash}m{5cm}! [19:25] kyl: i didnt [19:25] but i got them pulled up [19:26] man whats really going to irritate me is when intel moves to BGA procs [19:33] lteo: bro never forget! [19:35] forgetting is the first step of repeating [19:37] im kinda irritated that IWL doesnt seem to do 300 megabit wireless n :( [19:37] (on loonix) [19:50] revberaldo: -.- [19:51] \SI{196,5}{\ml}! (that's actually pretty cool) [19:55] My resume is still in latex [19:56] *** zcrayfish has joined #devious [19:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v zcrayfish [19:56] I thought about moving it to xml or markdown, but I like the result of my current template [19:56] i wrote my resume in mandoc :o [19:56] heh we are going to get some mac minis [19:57] zenmower: i have one at work [19:57] to use in a distributed search cluster project [19:57] i just have unpleasant memories fighting with numerous templates the night before submission deadline [19:57] kyl: my boss might leave [19:57] =( [19:57] * kyl pictures lteo in a firefight, desperately pitching his last grenade towards the template in all night running gunfight [19:57] he got another offer [19:57] nice [19:57] good for him [19:58] yeah [19:58] i will be the head nigger in charge [19:59] I think we shouldn't use LaTeX for anything that's not going to be published [19:59] why not use XML or HTML? [19:59] so much better. [19:59] revberaldo: my resumé was published [19:59] but I love LaTeX [19:59] mandoc supports html and pdf output [19:59] that's a pretty good use of LaTeX, kyl [19:59] there will be some architecture changes [19:59] revberaldo: but my resumé is not in LaTeX [19:59] as well as language changes [19:59] zenmower: moar coldfusion [20:00] as well as i better get moar monies [20:00] kyl, it should be! [20:00] kyl no moar [20:00] thing about PDF output [20:00] revberaldo: why? it looks good now [20:00] and - it's a man page [20:00] they can install it on their computer and look me up whenever [20:00] you can't really control typography to the extent you can in LaTeX [20:00] apropos kyl [20:01] but i don't need to control typography, i pretty much just print the plain text version anyways [20:01] and give that to people [20:01] kyl, that's such a cool idea [20:02] there's very few people who *won't* accept a .txt file [20:02] I'll print the plain latex [20:02] and give THAT to people [20:02] revberaldo: i didn't say the source, i said the plain text version [20:02] if YOU'RE gonna hire me, you'd better be prepared [20:02] kyl, I know, I'm just stretching the idea [20:02] typical [20:09] *** zdo has joined #devious [20:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v zdo [20:09] *** Gallomimia has quit IRC (Quit: I am likely going to change locations) [20:17] huh wtf? bonnie++ on my FreeBSD box is 1.96, and on my Arch box it's 1.03e. how the hell does that work? [20:24] wb zdo [20:24] benDos: Since you were interested http://sprunge.us/IWZQ [20:26] hummina! [20:27] (SSD - 3x 120GB SATA II drives) [20:27] YOURANSS! [20:28] D [20:28] (RAIDZ1/NONRAIDZ - 4x 2TB SATA II drives hanging off a RAID controller as JBOD, PCIe x8) [20:28] now what the heck is qbit prattling on abotu? [20:29] *** cmeiklejohn has joined #devious [20:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o cmeiklejohn [20:31] damnit I have never found Tina Fey more attractive than i do now [20:31] fantastic ep [20:31] of 30 Rock [20:31] that show is still running? [20:32] yes [20:32] yes, it is. [20:32] season 7, ep 7 [20:32] more surprisingly, The Office is in season 9 [20:33] I find her fantastically attractive [20:33] *** revberaldo has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [20:34] qbit: Tina Fey dressed up as Princess Leia, blammo. [20:34] s/f/m/ [20:34] qbit: Tina Fey dressed up as Princess Leia, blammo. [20:34] *** revberaldo has joined #devious [20:34] *** revberaldo has quit IRC (Changing host) [20:34] *** revberaldo has joined #devious [20:34] lol [20:35] i know it's not the first time, but she looked better this time... but I can't tell you ;) [20:36] need to relearn irssi [20:37] omg [20:37] I got go-gtk working on 64-bit windows [20:37] * jrick laughs maniacially [20:38] nice jrick [20:38] heh [20:38] i do not envy you [20:39] but this means I can use golang for my serior design project [20:40] your sr design project being... reimplementing Xombrero in Go? [20:40] no, I wish. [20:40] * qbit imagines jrick designing old people [20:40] we building a robot to paint football fields [20:40] and I'm writing the gui frontend [20:40] the controller program [20:41] communicates wireless using XBees to the robot [20:41] wirelessly [20:41] nicee [20:41] * brycec imagines the robot going rogue and painting football fields EVERYWHERE [20:42] it's pretty sweet, using lazers for localized navigation [20:43] *** Scrawny has joined #devious [20:45] :D [20:45] that is pretty sweet [20:46] wow [20:46] laser* [20:46] *** Perkeus has joined #devious [20:46] majorlazor [20:46] it's ok guys I'm an engineer no need to spell [20:47] *** Scrawn has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [21:27] *** revberaldo has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [21:27] *** revberaldo has joined #devious [21:27] *** revberaldo has quit IRC (Changing host) [21:27] *** revberaldo has joined #devious [21:30] wow, surprising performance boost with RAIDZ-2 [21:34] *** Gallomimia has joined #devious [21:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Gallomimia [21:35] benDos: results with RAIDZ-2 too http://sprunge.us/hMgT [21:43] *** cmeiklejohn has quit IRC (Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]) [21:47] "Congrats, you leveled up! You've unlocked the T-Rex achievement for having at least one original repo where C is the dominant language. Only 8% of developers on Coderwall have earned this." [21:48] There really ought to be more C repos on GH [21:48] i'm doing what i can [21:48] i have 26 [21:49] if coderwall is to be believed [21:59] *** JainAmber has joined #devious [22:02] hm [22:02] this coderwall is nice [22:03] marvelous what this internet can do these days [22:04] *** Scrawny has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [22:06] *** Scrawn has joined #devious [22:06] *** Scrawn has quit IRC (Changing host) [22:06] *** Scrawn has joined #devious [22:12] *** mwheeler has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [22:16] *** Scrawny has joined #devious [22:17] *** Scrawn has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [22:20] *** cachopo has joined #devious [22:24] *** cachopo has quit IRC (Client Quit) [22:35] *** Gallomimia_ has joined #devious [22:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Gallomimia_ [22:36] *** Gallomimia has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [22:36] *** Gallomimia_ is now known as Gallomimia [22:40] *** rgbj has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:44] *** JainAmber has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [22:48] hah brycec did you just endorse my goishness? [23:19] yes ky [23:19] *kyl [23:43] *** OmegleBot has joined #devious [23:43] *** Omegle_Bot has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [23:43] *** OmegleBot is now known as Omegle_Bot [23:48] wb Omegle_Bot [23:48] Thanks, kyl [23:52] *** zentrification has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)