benDos: sharvey, i need new windows
Mine are dumb are exchange heat all willy nilly
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NEW VERSION OF GIT
qbit, you have more github repos than google https://github.com/google ***: benDos has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) zod000: http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6710/125/
stop making so much sense canada ***: benDos has joined #devious
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s/D:/:D lazylopez_: Hai :D ***: benDossBot has joined #devious
ChanServ sets mode: +v benDossBot niteye: fiunny bug in opendchub in ubuntu/debian
you can try to change the config all you want, when it starts up it will rewrite the config file with its defaults and start up without saying anything
luckily easy to fix by changing permission so it cant do that anymore
I SURE SHOWED YOU DIDNT I, YOU DIDNT SEE THAT COMING DID YOU OPENDCHUB
ha piroko: qbit: So APPARENTLY if you're stock + rooted + custom recovery, the OTA's don't get pushed to you
Well maybe. I just went back to stock and I still haven't received the the 4.2.1 update :(
qbit: Alright got it to push by clearing data in google services framework :) Yay stock ***: tydeas has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7)
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"dick size: larger than 74% of other steam users"
your dick appears to be fragmented
scanning your dick for virusus ***: lwhalen has joined #devious
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ChanServ sets mode: +v AmberJ_ -: niteye likes katy perry's mammarian organs dbtid: i heard she had a wardrobe malfunction a while back
other end, though, i think qbit: hola! dbtid: hi qbit
up, down, strange today? qbit: :P niteye: i must find a videoclip of that malfunction! dbtid: niteye: ? http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=katy%20perry%20wardrobe%20malfunction&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDMQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dxwnp7-k-sqw&ei=Fna3ULfcGoeY9QSV_YDIDQ&usg=AFQjCNGzttKujYUsooHMO5RVJvCsAYeB3g
that might be it sharvey: benDos: mine or so clean
are*
and white niteye: the narrator is annoying and it's censored :-( dbtid: niteye: too bad benDos: sharvey, your windows? niteye: that's okay though, ill just use my imagination sharvey: yes benDos: Huh ***: zentrification has joined #devious lteo: it's annoying when computers do what i say, instead of what i mean benDos: Use more Pascal? ***: zerdman has joined #devious
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ChanServ sets mode: +o cmeiklejohn lwhalen: ninjapants: so good of you to log in this morning ;-) ninjapants: -.-
I've been busy. y'know. *workin'* dbtid: howdy ninjapants ninjapants: hiya!
I am surprised, I haven't had coffee today, but am still (mostly) alert piroko: INCREDIBLE ninjapants: I didn't drink much caffeine this weekend, and I've been experimenting with not having coffee. No headache yet lteo: i always get the "helmet feel" if i don't get my morning coffee
if you know what i mean piroko: ninjapants: I get the WORST headaches when I go cold turkey by accident
Everytime I swear up and down that I'm done with caffeine
Until the next day ninjapants: I normally do. I'm not sure why this time is different, but so far so good. I realized I was leaving at least half of my morning coffee in the mug, and I have some tasty teas that I've neglected lteo: i refuse to listen to this crazy talk ninjapants: I also have cut back the amount of crap I'm eating a lot.
Cheese is normally my weakness - but I haven't had a craving in a few days
which is *huge* mcchunkie: twss! piroko: Cheese is awesome ninjapants: it is. but I realized last year that it's also part of the reason I break out constantly (nothing huge, but still)
for some reason the hormones in the dairy interact with my face. Within a few weeks of not eating cheese or dairy daily, I clear right up piroko: Sucks to be a woman
I kid I kid -: piroko is listening to the new ke$ha album and FUCKING LOVING IT
piroko flicks off everyone in the room
qbit quits piroko as a friend
piroko hugs qbit lteo: so, piroko exits qbit's friend zone? piroko: I like where this is going qbit: lal
http://cheezburger.com/45090305 ***: cmeiklejohn has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) piroko: qbit: haha nice ***: scrmingfist has joined #devious
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sigur ros sounding remix of a fuckbuttons song
yesplz
http://open.spotify.com/track/6R0iKZfNjebmwP7UrmWzDe BryceBot: Error fetching information for http://open.spotify.com/track/6R0iKZfNjebmwP7UrmWzDe: Can't call method "find" on an undefined value qbit: you shut your whore mouth BryceBot ! brycec: YOU SHUT YOURS qbit
damn, was hoping noembed had got their spotify shit together lteo: BryceBot -- dampening qbit's excitement since November 2012! brycec: ha qbit: ;D
anyone running full disk encryption on theys hot openbsd boxins? brycec: I read this as you're prostituting yourself 08:30:39 < ninjapants> I've been busy. y'know. *workin'*
pffft silly qbit, OpenBSD is soooo secure it doesn't need WDE -: lteo doesn't have enough balls to do full disk encryption brycec: If the whole disk is encrypted, how does the bootloader read the kernel and stuff? (legit question) I know that on Linux systems, you keep an unencrypted partition for /boot stuffs... Do you do the same for *BSD? qbit: they booklearnt boot(8) to do the encryption ***: tydeas has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7) lteo: sometimes i just want to give it all up and be a supermodel qbit: haha dbtid: lteo how many iq points do you have to give up? zod000: being a supermodel would be lame, having one around for recreational purposes sounds good though dbtid: zod000: you could have lteo zod000: dbtid: enough that he might experience a freak gasoline fight accident dbtid: now BOTH your problems are solved lteo: dbtid: i dunno, but i will just answer "world peace" to every question dbtid: lteo: you'd be better off answering "whirled peas" qbit: haha zod000: lteo: if you can't master Blue Steel, you won't get anywhere in modelling dbtid: they're ain't never gonna be "world peace"
zod000: I was thinking Magnum zod000: dbtid: also a valid skill dbtid: i love the "IT'S THE SAME LOOK!" line from that movie. -: zod000 breakdance fights dbtid zod000: me too -: dbtid whips out his gasoline can ninjapants: brycec: sometimes I feel that way. dbtid: "that way" -- like you wanna have sex with girls??? brycec: is lwhalen forcing you to, ninjapants ? ninjapants: "that way" - like I'm prostituting myself. brycec: dbtid: see scrollback or context zod000: bad lwhalen ...or good? ninjapants: brycec: nah, it's all work-related dbtid: no fun ninjapants: exactly
I'm the person everyone goes to with their "little projects"
like: hey, I need a chart that has this little bit of info dbtid: ninjapants: one time, someone who i solved problems for said something like, "I could not do my job without you!" so i said, "Thanks; please tell my boss."
she did
next quarterly meeting, i got a check for a grand as a thank you brycec: wow
nice dbtid: it helped that she was the HR boss ninjapants: which turns into: oh, yeah, and I need a chart that goes with it that's clustered stacked bars with some lines included zod000: excellent ninjapants: dbtid: these are mostly from people in my group
and they all give me full credit for being awesome dbtid: aw, bummer ninjapants: it's funny how often the words "and NJ put this together for us, which looks great. and she did it so quickly!"
come up in our staff meetings brycec: Sometimes I touch Unity and think "Gee, why did I hate this so much?" and as I think on it, I realize I'm using it at 640x480, and that when scaled to run on two screens at native resolution, it crrrraaaawwwlllled. dbtid: brycec: what's Unity? brycec: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_(user_interface) BryceBot: Unity (user interface) :: Unity is a shell interface for the GNOME desktop environment developed by Canonical Ltd for its Ubuntu operating system. Unity debuted in the netbook edition of Ubuntu 10.10. It is designed to make more efficient use of space given the limited screen size of netbooks, including, for example, a vertical application switcher called the launcher. Unlike GNOME, KDE Software Compilation, Xfce, or LXDE, Unity is not a collection. dbtid: ah ***: benDos has joined #devious
ChanServ sets mode: +v benDos benDos: Hai qbit: halla kyl: moin benDos: I just sat through an hour and a half discussion whether or not games are art
It was hella rough to actually sit there and not just walk out
Fucking undergrad. dbtid: hi kyl ribo: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2128881_2129111_2129112,00.html qbit: ha ribo: oh 4chan qbit: haha lteo: kyl: annoyingly i found out that vmware.com themselves are offering fusion 5 at $29.99 also, but the electronic download version. had i known earlier i would've opted for the download.
coz i h9 physical media kyl: heh this came with a flash drive which i <3
hi dbtid benDos: lteo, why not qemu+kvm? lteo: kyl: last night i upgraded fusion via the flash drive without even detaching it from the CD ;) kyl: because that sucks lteo: benDos: because i don't have enough brain cells to figure it out kyl: lteo: heh, the macbok pros don't have CD drives brah
so i would have had to bring it into work lteo: oh right forgot about htat kyl: also i have a mac mini at work without a cd drive
but that is (was) running a trial version benDos: lteo, qemu-manager really is pretty straight forward
They've gui;fied vm setup and maintaince if you prefer that
gui-fied* lteo: i might check it out though i would dread having to disable mpbios in the openbsd kernel every time i upgrade just to make it run in kvm benDos: Oh yeah i have no idea about kvm on obsd kyl: also, kvm on os x is <<<< vmware fusion
it runs way slower and is a lot more of a pita
i've done it
and i have to do it if i want to emulate a mips machine benDos: Yeah i only know qemu and kvm on linux
i'd certainly believe it's total shit on !linux lteo: fusion fries on the mac
anyway, bbiab runch benDos: s/r/h lazylopez_: anyway, bbiab hunch ***: ninjapants is now known as ninja[chipotle]
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what the... Psy is up for Time person of the year???
lol EL James benDos: brycec, who would you suggest if not Psy?
Mittens? brycec: kittens
kindof want to see the words "pussy riot" on the cover
legitmacy aside, I think it would be funny dbtid: brycec: yeah, of all the important things going on the in the world, who REALLY gives a fuck about the guy who has the most watched youtube video? someone is going to break that record, and then THEY'LL be POTY? ninja[chipotle]: brycec: I know :D It just opened up near my office. brycec: ha benDos: ninja[chipotle], that's baller. brycec: I work across the street from a Chipotle... only ever been there (that location) once benDos: brycec... -: benDos unfriends brycec: benDos... dbtid: not really a fan of chipotle brycec: benDos: it's not a great lunch food imo dbtid: their meat has too much non-meat in it
the mcdonald's of mexican food benDos: brycec, it's great lunch food knowning that the hour after lunch will be productivity forever lost dbtid: if i wanted gristle i'd go to mcdonald's brycec: meh I've no complaints, never noticed any gristle ... ***: kusuriya has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) brycec: Maybe Chipotle[ohio] just hates you dbtid ?
or for that matter, sucks benDos: Not that chipotle is the all best faux-mexican food kyl: heh i don't go to chipotle anymore benDos: but it's usually adequate kyl: because qdoba 4eva ribo: qdoba is superior kyl: jk illegal petes benDos: We don't have any of thse up here not even taco bell kyl: hopefully ribo knows whats up benDos: we have fajita grill ribo: qdoba. queso.
IP is good too kyl: ip is best brycec: I should try Qdoba one of these days...
Moe's is pretty damn good kyl: qdoba's ranchero burrito is muy bueno ribo: get q queso burrito, then queso & chips
queeessssoooooo ***: fpgarcia has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) brycec: damn, closest qdoba is about 10mi from work (one-way) ribo: shitty
had the same problem when in denver
luckly, the first chipotle ever was like a block away, next to illegal pete's brycec: haha
Ooh Spokane has THREE qdboas
(North, South Hill, and Valley) zod000: i really don't care for chipotle brycec: versus the ONE Chipotle in Spokane (downtown) zod000: Moes and tiajuna flats are decent though, not sure how widespread those chains are benDos: brycec, are you checking out your mexican food options before moving? brycec: Moe's is surprisingly widespread... but they closed the shop that was near me, so now I'm sad
benDos: already done, repeatedly in fact ***: hexreel has quit IRC (*.net *.split)
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Besides... since when is there mexican delivery?
I live in AZ and know of NO PLACES that deliver Mexican
or hamburgers, for that matter benDos: I'm in central new york homie
And i can get a chimichango delivered right now if i wanted brycec: i hate you zod000: lol brycec: i hate you so much benDos: It's ok i just had a gyro, and started some coffee
nomnom ***: bapa has joined #devious brycec: But... can you get a burger delivered? zod000: there are actually services around here you can get anything delivered from anywhere else, but it is rarely worth the cost imo brycec: zod000++ zod000: cheap zod is cheap benDos: brycec, i tots can by like at least 5 or 6 places i can think of brycec: what the hell. so not cool -: benDos lives in a college town benDos: I can actually get things like that delivered until like 4am -: brycec lives near a collegetown
zod000 lives in a town
benDos lives in a town with 3 nuclear reactors benDos: Not to brag or whatever zod000: enjoy your extra limbs
jk ***: ninja[chipotle] has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) benDos: Just the one
;) ***: pskept_ has joined #devious
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About 95% of the year, my apt is stocked with stuff to make tacos/burritos ***: scrmngfist has joined #devious benDos: zod000, delayed rebuttal I may grow some extra arms but you statistically already have or are about to fall into a sinkhole zod000: benDos: my years of console video game training have trained me to avoid holes in the ground benDos: To me that sounds like you're about to fall into a sinkhole ***: revberaldo has joined #devious
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just opened* zod000: more in the house ruining way than actually getting a person benDos: All within 2 miles of each other on the same street brycec: only 4 in your town? benDos: zod000, limestone just isn't as baller a foundation as floridians of yesteryear thought
It was more that we have 4 of them within 2 miles on the same street it a <30k person town
Along other with sub shops ofc zod000: it is too bad subway kinda sucks
i swear there are 30 in my area
i find their quality to be highly variable depending on the owner of the franchise benDos: Yeah're hit or miss
Yeah
Some are ok subs for ok prices
Some pretty terrible zod000: the one closest to work is abyssmal qbit: damn! ***: cmeiklejohn has joined #devious
ChanServ sets mode: +o cmeiklejohn qbit: boot(8) doesn't like my yubikey zod000: the one near my house is decent, but there is a firehouse sub and quizno right down the road dbtid: yahoo! ok, i don't have to muck about with 1 msec time resolution, which is sadly hard to get on this chip because none of the clocks are nice that way, and i'd end up having to do ugly integer division zod000: and a publix qbit: oh wait
it does brycec: congrats dbtid qbit: hot brycec: what changed? jrick: qbit: setting up FDE? dbtid: brycec: the requirement :) brycec: swoot dbtid: i could have it done in the FPGA, but that's a hassle qbit: jrick: si mcchunkie: New sets for amd64!
New sets for loongson! jrick: schweet dbtid: i could give a time base of 1024 not 1000, but he didn't like that because if we change platforms, it might be hard to generate that on the next chip
so this is a good compromise ***: ninjapants has joined #devious ninjapants: wtf just happened
I came back and the channel was empty benDos: I'm still here.
Maybe you got a funny netsplit coming? ninjapants: there was a netsplit, but it said netsplit - hexreel quit
I have no idea
I was going to tell brycec that the meat that I get at the chipotles I've been to has always been tasty
no gristle. sharvey: ugh benDos: brycec, is here for me sharvey: forgot fire alarm tests were today brycec: ninjapants: still here benDos: ninjapants, maybe rejoin? ninjapants: I did brycec: I see 93 nicks in the channel ninjapants: right, that's after I rejoined ***: brycec sets mode: +v ninjapants brycec: well netsplits are fun ninjapants: somethin' funky went down while I was grabbing foodz brycec: dbtid: quick pm? dbtid: brycec: any time sharvey: :( more fire alarm tests dbtid: brycec: hell, if you want to call me on the phone, you can do that, too :) sharvey: will there be more I wonder brycec: lol dbtid harder to send URLs that method :p
besides irc lets you leave it for later if you're busy now zod000: just read off the characters brycec ***: ChanServ sets mode: +v zod000 brycec: ha ***: benDossBot has joined #devious
ChanServ sets mode: +v benDossBot ninjapants: http://cheezburger.com/6796967168 benDos: hah ninjapants: ha - this one's good, too http://cheezburger.com/6813015808 benDos: I know this must exist but i don't know of any
LaTeX-esce markdown languages?
A markdown that compiled to LaTeX would be neat
Can someone point me in the direction of something stablish? ribo: markdown > html > latex
:P benDos: Wut. ribo: :P
:3 benDos: For like, you're particular web-centric use-case? ribo: .ymf thenrightnway
https://mdb.io/ymf/jDr.jpg benDos: Or, generally?
your. ribo: you wanted a markdown that compiles to latex
compile it to html first
then use one of 8902349820 html to latex tools benDos: I guesss ribo: IT'S UNIX. I KNOW THIS. PIPE ALL THE THINGS. benDos: It was more wanting to latex stuff in markdown
But yeah Lefty: ribo++ kyl: or use pandoc Lefty: "you didn't say the magic word" ***: kusuriya has joined #devious brycec: "cocaine" Lefty: dingdingding ribo: markdown < html < latex
:D brycec: HOLY CRAP an email from Pebble! I'd forgotten I'd pre-ordered a Pebble, it was that long ago... kyl: latex > * benDos: @wiki Pebble BryceBot: Pebble :: A pebble is a clast of rock with a particle size of 4 to 64 millimetres based on the Krumbein phi scale of sedimentology. Pebbles are generally considered to be larger than granules (2 to 4 millimetres diameter) and smaller than cobbles (64 to 256 millimetres diameter). A rock made predominantly of pebbles is termed a conglomerate. Pebble tools are among the earliest known... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble brycec: and finally, an email from them! (versus me hunting down info on the forums) ribo: I remember I used to write all my papers in LyX benDos: Que es un Pebble? brycec: benDos: Pebble Watch
@wiki Pebble (watch) BryceBot: Pebble (watch) :: The Pebble E-Paper Watch is an upcoming smartwatch. Developers Pebble Technology had raised venture capital for the product under their former name inPulse, but after initially failing to attract traditional investors under their new brand name, in April 2012 the Pebble became the most highly funded Kickstarter project to date. Development Initial... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble%20%28watch%29 ***: fpgarcia has joined #devious benDos: oh neat kyl: you should just write in texinfo benDos: wait kyl: it's way superior ribo: only problem I have with all these new awesome watches is battery life : ( benDos: brycec, didn't i just see swatch put that out
like 1:1 the same as the wiki image kyl: heh ribo the only problem i have is i don't wear watches :p ribo: well, that too
I might wear one if it was cool enough
like the pebble kusuriya: pocket watch FTW ribo: if it had like a 6month run time -: kusuriya puts on the hipster glasses ribo: was just gonna say
I have a pocket watch, it's called a cell phone kyl: i don't even remember to grab my pocket watch most mornings brycec: heh maybe benDos kusuriya: ribo: how did you know my secret? brycec: I've seen a few kyl: mostly i just don't care about time ribo: are you a time lord? brycec: When Pebble was annoued and stuff, it was new and revolutionary ***: JainAmber has joined #devious brycec: lol ribo kusuriya: ribo: well i was JainAmber: Hello kusuriya: until i took an arrow to the knee brycec: but small startup has been slow, and big companies have said "hey what a neat idea, let's do it too" and I think I've seen Sony with one on the market already zod000: kusuriya: are you sworn to carry my burdens? kusuriya: zod000: nope i am the thane!
... the DOD is building swarm drones that are anti drone attack drones XD
they are supposed to attack in swarms :D ***: cachopo has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) JainAmber: x86 Surface with W8 Pro Coming in early 2013. Starting at $899. No matter what, I won't spen 900 fcking dollars on anything-surface! kusuriya: JainAmber: a lot of people are looking at that though
remember microsofts only strength is tight intergration with everything they have every where zod000: my company is looking at those for field techs and outside sales
makes more sense that anything i* kusuriya: like my buddys RT surface was able to get on my wireless network find my Xbox and after a few seconds of telling my xbox he is approved he was playing youtube videos from the surface
on the xbox
then at the same time i was able to from my windows machine tap the stream and watch it
there is a group of people especially enterprises that are looking at adopting surface because of the fact it works soo well with the MSFT stack they already have zod000: or so they can enforce gpo kusuriya: ^
then again i can enforce policy on your ipad if i link it to my exchange serve :)
**server zod000: not quite as much as you can with the w8 i imagine kusuriya: actually pretty much yes :) zod000: with android and ios it is pretty much just enforcing encrytion and passphrases kusuriya: depending on what version of iphone/ipad it is
android mostly ignores most of the EAS profiles so EAS control is useless zod000: nah, it follows it in any of the more recent versions kusuriya: worse android will lie to your exchange server and tell it that it supports * and has implemented it zod000: don't blame that on android, that can only be done via replacing the mail app with a rogue one kusuriya: for all of our high security customers like banks Android* is blocked from EAS zod000: same can be done via jailbreaking an iphone kusuriya: suprisingly not, you can tell it to not implement a profile zod000: incorrect kusuriya: and if i look at your device it will show me the implementation of the profile failed
and that profile is not implemented
android (you must be rooted) will report back to my exchange server that it implemented the profile even though it didnt zod000: if you root and then modify/replace the Email.apk, then yes kusuriya: you dont have to replace the email.apk
there are apps to let you do it if you are rooted since its not that hard to do zod000: you most certainly do, at least on 2.2 and 2.3
well, same difference, you are replacing the mail app kusuriya: nope
the app sits between email.apk and the EAS stuff
since the exchange stuff is not built into email.apk its part of a different system object zod000: oh, so it acts in the middle kusuriya: yep zod000: most of the exchange stuff is actually built into the email.apk
but you can still attack it from in thye middle kusuriya: but regardless the fact that it can so easily be done on android is why a lot of our finacial customers for their secured exchange disallow android zod000: it is not much harder on ios, but let them do as they wish
i could do it on winmo 6 as well kusuriya: meh i dont make up their rules zod000: was much more work though kusuriya: actually on winmo6 you couldnt because it checksummed its EAS :P zod000: i assure you i could, because i did kusuriya: im willing to bet it didnt lie to the exchange server ;)
and if i audited the profiles it would tell me what profiles you have disabled or "failed" zod000: if you say so kusuriya: when you did it zod000 did you ever audit your exchange profile from the servers view
because i can tell when people stop profiles with their iOS device its pretty trivial ***: Old_Soldier has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) kusuriya: then again if it was me and i designed theese peoples security EAS would be off all together for their secured systems
because fuck your mobile device its to easily stolen and hacked lwhalen: http://boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/LOLlinguist.jpeg zod000: lwhalen: excellent kusuriya: score -: kusuriya really does hate EAS qbit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=x1hLREgL194 BryceBot: YouTube Comedy: "Harvard Sailing Team - Hipster Thanksgiving" by HSTSketchComedy (4m 59s), 390,212 views, 2,703 likes and 96 dislikes. Uploaded 2012-11-21T18:55:56.000Z. -: qbit whispers essence of wildflower piroko: lol I'm tethering on edge brycec: I've done that before... was better than nothing at least
Hell, I've tethered on GPRS piroko: True. And ssh + compression really isn't even bad benDos: piroko, no mosh?
mosh was that latency tolerate screen + openssh mashup right? kusuriya: benDos: oh you ported that to openbsd?
:P brycec: and a weak GPRS signal no less - I hung my RAZR (those things had freakishly slow UARTs to start with) on the door of the hotel room in order to get any signal, and BT tethered from there. benDos: kusuriya, I go about my life under the assumption that if i have it in linux you have it in openbsd
As i don't use openbsd brycec: benDos: no screen, just latency-tolerant ssh benDos: It hasn't really lead me to any issues
brycec, i thought it had some other features that were screen-y brycec: would you like to be led into some issues? we know of some ;) kusuriya: it will for things like MOSH since no one has had the desire to port
:P benDos: We had a tangential discussion last night ***: fpgarcia has left benDos: About qbit liking obsd cause nothing works and instead of being productive he's secure
I like linux cause it's easymode
:p qbit: lol kusuriya: meh i like good code qbit: tangential benDos: kusuriya, so you run netbsd? kusuriya: too bad FBSD has issues with this system benDos: :p kusuriya: benDos: i said good code not architecture compatibility :P benDos: qbit, what's wrong about tangential? zod000: I like reactOS, because..umm..ok i don't qbit: i like it piroko: benDos: I ssh to devious
Which doesn't have mosh benDos: piroko, gotcha
..but pipes
=D piroko: Though now that my home connection is stable I can give it a try... kusuriya: but SSH Compression once you get SSH set right is very latency tolerant benDos: I like Solaris cause SPARC is sexy for certain workloads. kusuriya: :) benDos: I dislike Solaris cause udev,systemd,native kvm,and Larry Ellison. lwhalen: http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/videos/crazy-lady-and-vacuum-cleaner-man/ benDos: I just got spam "Explosive Deals On Used Cars" harharhar kusuriya: benDos: whats wrong with KVM :o benDos: kusuriya, nothing
But i like native kvm kusuriya: then why do you dislake solaris for having it ;) benDos: kvm attached to other operating systems varies greatly in quality
For not having native kvm, udev, or systemd
And having far too much Larry Ellison. kyl: qbit: in that HST video, when they drink coffee that's how i imagine you do it brah benDos: devfs just depresses me. kusuriya: well yeah the ellison is the dealbreaker for me
that and the wireless drivers they are missing for no good reason benDos: And the lack of udev.
Hah
Fair enough kusuriya: meh what they use instead of Udev does work better benDos: Am i really the only one with such a strong preference for devfs than udev?
er
udev over devfs* kusuriya: probly ***: JainAmber has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) benDos: s/$/ in here lazylopez_: probly in here kusuriya: but solaris uses somthing a bit different benDos: It's more or less an old bsd style devfs
At least in solaris, um
10 or 9
I think 10 is what i've used mostly qbit: haha
kyl: i totally is mcchunkie: I am a respectable lady! I will not take this lying down! qbit: every cup benDos: wut. kyl: hah kusuriya: latter 10 and 11 use somthing similar to devfs but it is vastly different when you dig into it kyl: I KNEW IT benDos: kusuriya, locally mounting usb on solaris thin clients is pretty painful kusuriya: benDos: never has been for me benDos: Instead of doing the normal "Hey you plugged in a usb stick i mounted it here for you" kyl: qbit: put a turkey in your butt brah mcchunkie: TWSS! kusuriya: benDos: it always automounts for me qbit: k benDos: Well it does automount kusuriya: but maybe thats because i know how to use it ;) benDos: Just in a weird location kusuriya: its right there in my desktop :P
but solaris has a lot of shitty bits :( benDos: It automounts, in my setup anyway, in like /opt/someshit/someothershit/$USER/tmpsomething/something/deviceid
We also have a bunch of nfs partions that usually are machine local kusuriya: if you want easy mode unix just install OSX :) benDos: That's a weird way to abbreviate ubuntu. kusuriya: Ubuntu technically is not unix
its never been certified
OS X is
^fact lteo: OS X is a true BSD
kyl: ^ benDos: .addtroll OS X is a true BSD lazylopez_: OS X is a true BSD: was added kusuriya: benDos: that is also a fact :P benDos: I think the notion of a certified BSD has maaaybe lost some of it's meaning since 1987? lteo: kusuriya: ask kyl what he thinks of OS X as a true BSD ;) benDos: Vocally or sarcastically strongly opposed or fore
If i had to guess kusuriya: benDos: actually OS X has a true certifcation from the UNIX group, no linux distro or BSD distro having it is the reason its all *nix and not Unix ;)
BSD for legal reasons cant call its self unix because of a lawsuit kyl: lteo: bro you mean The One True BSD? benDos: The UNIX group? kusuriya: benDos: yep lteo: kusuriya: btw about what you said the other day, is it true apple geniuses are even aware of OS X's BSD stuff? kyl: http://www.unix.org/ benDos: I know of the unix group kusuriya: lteo: some are benDos: I was just unaware that anyone cared what they said kusuriya: benDos: the unix group holds the copyrights to unix kyl: well, technically to call yourself unix you have to pass their certifications benDos: Post SCO? kusuriya: and if you use unix with out their permission they will sue your ass off lteo: suenix kusuriya: benDos: even post SCO they own the copyright to the name benDos: Right
My point is "unix certified" used to really mean something CyL: Evening folks. What is usually the lunch break in US? benDos: Now, at least in my work/dev/etc community
it's more a joke than anything else kyl: now linux, based on popularity, is hijacking that kusuriya: even if you dont think it means mich now it still means a lot to enterprise
and you still cant call yourself unix without it kyl: they just whatever dumb shit they want (systemd, pulse, etc) lteo: CyL: all the time since everyone's goofing off all the time kyl: and it gets called unix pretty much benDos: kyl, you don't like systemd?
:/ kusuriya: im meh on systemd kyl: i do not benDos: kyl, how come?
I really enjoy it
Despite it not really being unix's in that is' pretty monolithic
And maybe joining repos with udev was premature
s/premature/premature/unnessesary lazylopez_: And maybe joining repos with udev was premature benDos: Thanks lazylopez_ you're the best. kyl: the basic unix philosophy is do one thing and do it well CyL: lteo: I mean, I tried to call someone in US, in Massachusetts, and I know it is a quarter to 2 pm right know. Would people normally be at a lunch break in USA this time? kyl: it's not as easy to hack on benDos: kyl, i get that
I really do kyl: it's way too monolythic kusuriya: its a bit of a mess honestly kyl: the fuck
monolithic benDos: In practice the nicities outweigh it being so big and do everything-y ***: chi has quit IRC (Changing host)
chi has joined #devious benDos: Logging is just so much nicer
socket activation again, so much nicer
systemd > init.d much nicer
Individually anyway kusuriya: like a lot of stuff linux the code and the function is kinda sloppy and seems to have a philosphy of "we will fix it in version 2" lteo: CyL: it really depends, some people take lunch break earlier and some later kusuriya: that thought process is what bit microsoft in the security ass for many years kyl: i think it's an answer in search of a problem kusuriya: ^ CyL: lteo: Sure, but I mean the usual break. brycec: ^^^ kyl: adds complexity and overhead to a problem we've already solved benDos: To me it simplified a lot of things
And makes existing things faster and easier to use kyl: quit wasting time on shit like that and work on doing more useful things kusuriya: like what
init.d was pretty simple lteo: amen brotha brycec: CyL: I would say that there isn't a "usual" break, besides maybe 12pm-1pm benDos: the systemd journal, at least sounds, like the correct way to do logging CyL: brycec: Okay, thanks. kyl: now, you've just increased the work load zod000: CyL: I took lunch at 10am, so ymmv benDos: init to systemd better lets you express deps imo in processes kyl: a bunch of people now have to figure out how the fuck to integrate systemd if they want to jump on board, or face getting shut out benDos: plus async ftw kusuriya: thats not really any simpler or better than the dmesg/syslog output brycec: CyL: but that break applies to <50% of the working population. Lots of people take [lunch] breaks at different times benDos: kusuriya, it really really is
Strings suck kusuriya: benDos: init.d could start async kyl: devs that could be doing something actually productive with their lives now have to spend time on this benDos: kyl, integrating with systemd is trivial kyl: it increases the barrier to entry benDos: you know this
you can give it an init script and get a systemd script back kusuriya: benDos: it really isnt because systemd is still spitting strings out kyl: not if your system is built around rc.d CyL: zod000, brycec, lteo: It is just that I got an answering machine, so I thought that was calling at a bad time. benDos: kusuriya, no
it compresses and dedups
the on disk format is objectively far far better kusuriya: benDos: it compresses and dedupes strings benDos: for the systemd journal than dmesg brycec: CyL: It seems more likely they didn't hear it, were busy, or didn't want to answer zod000: CyL: some people just don't answer their phones or are in meetings and can't answer lteo: or pooping benDos: And index I believe kusuriya: which various systemloggers were able to do zod000: or getting coffee, or whatever other bs benDos: kusuriya, right
few to none were default -: brycec <3 circular logs benDos: Heh CyL: BTW, would anyone recommend a good RFID module manufacturer company? kusuriya: again that doesnt make systemd any simpler benDos: I <3 any in disk format that is indexable brycec: CyL: module being...? kusuriya: that actually makes it more complex benDos: simpler to do interesting things with kyl: also brycec: rfid reader, or card? benDos: more complex in implementation CyL: brycec: The transceptor that would interface to a computer. kyl: lennart poettering is involved benDos: Well yeah kusuriya: and more complex in use benDos: But people are auditing his code kyl :p
kusuriya, i haven't found that to be true
different, but not more complex kusuriya: because now if i want to centralize it i have another piece of software to deal with ***: cmeiklejohn has quit IRC (Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]) kusuriya: instead of having it all pumped into my system logger which i already have setup to export logs ***: mcchunkie has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) benDos: I believe you can just tell systemd which logs go where
local files or remote transport kyl: anyways, those are my feelings
you are free to choose what you want for your distro
but i won't be supporting anything using systemd kusuriya: its still another piece of software you now have to configure :P benDos: Fine. kusuriya: kyl: sooner or later with how things go you may not have a choice sadly lteo: let's merge systemd and autotools kyl: kusuriya: or i stop using linux benDos: We can agree that systemd will not bring about the year of the linux desktop kyl: make linux go the way of windows in my life kusuriya: kyl: most BSDs are looking at having to port and use things like udev and systemd due to applications pulling in more and more linuxisms benDos: and the AF_BUS in kernel is lovely kusuriya: but systemd is like pulseaudio benDos: http://lwn.net/Articles/504722/ short description if you're curious kusuriya: a solution in search for a problem benDos: kyl, will you refuse to use AF_BUS?
In favor or muuuuuuch more expensive 0mq or similar?
s/or/of/ lazylopez_: In favof of muuuuuuch mofe expensive 0mq of similar? benDos: damn typod. kyl: I don't know enough about AF_BUS to comment ***: cmeiklejohn has joined #devious
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gusy
NODE brycec: and multiplatform, and network-friendly, and and and kyl: qbit: bro ZMOG RLY -: qbit dusts off his hands and walks away benDos: AF_BUS is AF_UNIX + reliable multicast more or less lteo: qbit: node > *? kyl: we should just write an os in node
for performance benDos: For proximity to metal. brycec: for baremetal performance kusuriya: benDos: AF_BUS looks more like its AF_UNIX with dbus and multicast roled into it benDos: Beat ya to it brycec !
kusuriya, dbus in AF_BUS? brycec: by 1 second... I shouldn't have paused to consider adding emphasis to _baremetal_ kusuriya: so i dont know if its anybetter or worse lteo: some just said roll. did they mean spring roll? i'm here now kusuriya: benDos: according to what you linked thats one of its goals kyl: mmm spring rolls brycec: ohai lt benDos: Well yeah BryceBot: That's what she said!! ***: brycec sets mode: +vv kusuriya lteo qbit: awyeah benDos: But it isn't integrated with af_bus kusuriya: replace dbus due to resorce starvation benDos: that's it's main target kyl: wait
did qbit say node? lteo: brycec: <3 ***: kyl sets mode: -v qbit kyl: WHAT brycec: lol, she said "Well yeah" benDos: but dbus's message passing is not very different from most other message passing
lots of pubsub and you'd like reliable multicast lteo: i'm glad i have regained my +virginity even after offending a #devious god kusuriya: im not sure why an IPC would need multicast honestly
its an IPC benDos: You can implement exchangers without unix sockets
kusuriya, my irc bot does multicast ipc brycec: lteo: I got tired of seeing a space before your nick. You're still on ice. lteo: lol benDos: kusuriya, each message gets pushed out on a multicast socket ***: kyl sets mode: +v qbit benDos: all the plugins see the messages and respond accordingly kyl: i use 0mq pubsub in my bot as well benDos: Yeah pubsub is really quiet common
Having it in kernel with badass af_unix underlying support makes it about as fast as you can hope for it to be lteo: kyl: talking bout speed, did i read it right in your benchmarking post that ruby is faster than pythong? ;) benDos: lol brycec: I seem to recall the very opposite kyl: i don't remember the numbers offhand, is definitely possible benDos: I would imagine it depends on the workload and language implementation kyl: and highly likely kusuriya: benDos: that still doesnt awnser why id want it :P benDos: pubsub? kusuriya: multicast IPC benDos: Right, pubsub. kyl: ^ benDos: @wiki Publish-Subscribe Design Pattern BryceBot: Messaging pattern :: In software architecture, a messaging pattern is a network-oriented architectural pattern which describes how two different parts of a message passing system connect and communicate with each other. In telecommunications, a message exchange pattern (MEP) describes the pattern of messages required by a communications protocol to establish or use a communication... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messaging%20pattern benDos: Um kyl: very very useful ***: ninjapants is now known as ninja[meeting] brycec: benDos: um yourself -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=Publish-Subscribe+Design+Pattern BryceBot: Publish–subscribe pattern :: In software architecture, publish–subscribe is a messaging pattern where senders of messages, called publishers, do not program the messages to be sent directly to specific receivers, called subscribers. Instead, published messages are characterized into classes, without knowledge of what, if any, subscribers there may be. Similarly, subscribers express interest in one or more classes, and only receive messages that kyl: haha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOtzvi4tiig BryceBot: YouTube Comedy: "Harvard Sailing Team - Puppy Pictures!!!" by HSTSketchComedy (3m 31s), 309,649 views, 1,483 likes and 49 dislikes. Uploaded 2011-08-02T15:28:35.000Z. kyl: now i'm caught watching HST benDos: kusuriya, "Hey every active program that cares, there's a usb stick now at /dev/whatever" etc ***: niteye has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) benDos: "Hey every program that cares, the network interface just went down/up" etc kusuriya: benDos: meh i just havent delt a lot with IPC honestly
directly anyway benDos: I've done a fair bit, on unix sockets and with network protocols kyl: i have used it quite a bit benDos: it? BryceBot: That's what she said!! benDos: BryceBot, no BryceBot: Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'it?' kusuriya: last time i even started looking into it i was thinking of playing wiht HURD
and it made my head hurt BryceBot: That's what she said!! benDos: The kernel based IPC has several benefits for D-Bus over the userspace
emulation:
- Context switching between userspace processes is reduced.
- Message data copying is reduced.
- System call overheads are reduced.
- The userspace D-Bus daemon was subject to resource starvation,
client contention and priority inversion.
- Latency is reduced
- Throughput is increased.
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that's what put you over the edge! -: benDos checks his +v benDos: Ok qbit: phew brycec: no no, it was the same time as I hit enter
besides, I didn't know how many more lines would flood lteo: at least you didn't lose your +virginity, benDos ***: brycec sets mode: -vv lteo benDos kusuriya: :D ***: ChanServ sets mode: +v benDos benDos: :p ***: brycec sets mode: -vv lteo benDos
ChanServ sets mode: +v benDos benDos: Hay. brycec: ha benDos: Not cool mang. lteo: yeah it's not cool to hang out with lteo. i get that brycec: "not cool" would be if I removed +V from you :P kusuriya: but yeah I wont argue the merits for AF_BUS i dont know enough about the topic :D ***: _^ has joined #devious
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_^ is now known as piroko benDos: kusuriya, but those are the kind of use cases that dbus makes way easier ***: _^_ is now known as _^ benDos: Without that kind of centralized setup ***: brycec is now known as ^_^ ^_^: :D benDos: It just sucks to standardize that kind of thing kyl: i don't even know what kind of facial expression _^_ would be kusuriya: .|.. :D piroko: haha
ok, benDos
I love you
mosh
Is amazing benDos: Heh :p
Kew ***: ^_^ is now known as brycec benDos: Thanks btw kusuriya: yeah i like the idea behind mosh qbit: i have never used it kusuriya: i just wish it wasnt GPL3 benDos: Neither have it qbit :p piroko: I totally just disabled an entire interface, enabled another interface, and it reconnected benDos: have I piroko: I mean it makes sense since it's udp
But still. Fucking mindblown kusuriya: makes me never want to hack on it honestly piroko: kusuriya: How about dishonestly? benDos: kusuriya, at what point is linux not unix
I mean it ships a ton of non-kernel things in tree kyl: yesss another launch coin is coming BryceBot: That's what she said!! kusuriya: benDos: at the point its not certified to call itself UNIX ;) lteo: linux was a unix clone from the start benDos: It's largely arbitrary imo and for systemd the things that become easier out weight the potential for more complicated code bases ***: mcchunkie has joined #devious
ChanServ sets mode: +v mcchunkie kusuriya: but seriously its getting further and further away from unix like benDos: That's a good thing kusuriya: systemD honestly provides no real benifit that wasnt already there kyl: mosh has had a couple of vulns benDos: I just told you the benefits kusuriya :/ kusuriya: you did kyl: and some of the way it does things don't strike me as being suitably secure kusuriya: and all those things were already there benDos: For applications and users, integration between programs gets easier
It standardizes a lot of ad hoc solutions kusuriya: there was already a pretty basic standard there benDos: was there?
I thought there were a few
And programs had to deal with a bunch of locations to check for things kusuriya: accessing the systemlog was pretty standard and pretty easy to access benDos: But slightly different log formats between various programs
Also may have required root
May have disclosed non-related things ***: Gallomimia has joined #devious
ChanServ sets mode: +v Gallomimia benDos: It's a software engineering win, and a unix philosophical lose kusuriya: requireing elevated perms to read system logs doesnt strike me as a problem
meh call it what you want benDos: I feel like i'm not going to convince you.
Oh well kusuriya: nope benDos: I never convince anyone of anything in here... kusuriya: because again its a solution looking for a problem benDos: Baaaah -: benDos drops it kusuriya: had there been an actual problem to solve ;) ***: sjoos_ has joined #devious kyl: for example, pulse audio was a good example of a problem being solved
we need more of that
right lteo? lteo: wait whut kyl: it's too bad openbsd hasn't gotten its ass in gear and added support benDos: lteo, pulseaudio qbit: haha ***: ninja[meeting] has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) -: lteo keeps quiet ;) kyl: lteo: it's the best audio subsystem ever isn't it? brah
are you saying it's not!? kusuriya: benDos: you have me sort of convinced about AF_BUS as a consoleation prize qbit: one way to tell if a subsystem is good or not..
is if it has a beard kusuriya: ^ qbit: no beard.. no good lteo: frankly i don't know anything about audio on *nix qbit: wish there was someone named "frankly" in the chan ***: JainAmber has joined #devious lteo: i wonder if rubinius will make ruby less painful kyl: what is rubinius?
how is ruby painful? benDos: lteo, the onyl way to make ruby better is jruby
I'm sorry
kyl, rubinus is like pypy
self hosted ruby kusuriya: the only way to make ruby better is to uninstall it benDos: kusuriya, i'll convince you about systemd
for now i'm doing maths though lteo: kyl: from website "Rubinius is software that translates the code for the Ruby programming language such as" zod000: kusuriya: that made ruby 100% better for me benDos: jruby on openjdk 7 lteo: puts "hello world" kusuriya: benDos: the only way you could is if you could find an actual problem systemd solved lteo: and turns it into efficient machine code like this
push %rbp; mov %rsp, %rbp; push %rbx; subq $0x98, %rsp; cmp $0x0, 0x10(%rcx); call 0xffffffffff472010; jmp 0x9c; … qbit: ha benDos: lteo, that asm doesn't seem terrible?
Though annotated asm is way easier to read, cause i have no idea what is at 0xffffffffff472010; lteo: i dunno brah, last i wrote asm was 17 years ago benDos: Fuck i mean i'm quietly doing math and not on irc..
objdump == <3 though brycec: lteo is a slacker! lteo: meh, rubinius just became unusable for me. ruby 1.9 not supported
brycec: that's unfortunately true right now in terms of OSS contribution ;) benDos: jruby supports 1.9.... kusuriya: :( i need a new programming laptop lteo: i have a problem with the 'j' ;) kusuriya: i have a problem with the ruby part
so its rounded :D benDos: lteo, i can't think of a good reason why you'd be fine with ruby but not java
Not that there aren't good reasons to dislike java kusuriya: benDos: Hipser qbit: inf problems? benDos: ruby has most if not all of those traits though lazylopez_: Ruby syntax looks like someone pulled off all the symbols from their keyboard, inserted them into a shotgun and shot them into a $20 hooker that had been dead for 3 days.. qbit: might not be possible to roll out java to everything? benDos: ...but you only write java once kusuriya: not as hipster as qbit benDos: then run it everywhere qbit: or doing so would require drastic changes to everything? -: kusuriya clones qbit's node repo benDos: You can't clone a clone
der
They tried that with Dolly
All the dna just broke 'n shit kusuriya: multiplicity told me you can clone a clone lteo: so you _can_ clone a clone, just that the dna breaks kusuriya: and hollywood has never lied to be before
**me before benDos: lteo, but you need the dna for the clone to really be a clone
otherwise it's just a bunch of spaghetti code lteo: benDos: just a few details doesn't matter benDos: Fine
What if i did your ruby and you did my calculus
that seems fair. kusuriya: benDos: ill do your calculus but you have to do my engineering department application lteo: you sure you want me to do your calculus? i thought you wanted to graduate ;) benDos: lteo, i reallllly want to graduate kyl: whatever, lteo is a doctor... OF SCIENCE
he can make it happen benDos: Yeah lteo i figured you must be good at calculus lteo: lol benDos: I thought you did a lot of crypto stuffs kyl: lteo is a science hero qbit: lordy i can't type "make"
comes out mkae every time benDos: Or not math-y crypto stuff? lteo: benDos: no brah that was one of my professors. i only did the typesetting for one of the crypto conference proceedings benDos: Oh
Ok lteo: i did give a few lectures on crypto though but i've forgotten most of it benDos: Fine don't do my calculus then
you could have just said that
No need for a long backstory mcchunkie: That's what c0sh said! ***: ckrailo has joined #devious
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I'm just cranky today
Sorry lteo: no worries brah kusuriya: :P
benDos: stop stressing you get to do funstuff
:) benDos: What do you mean?
I've been cocking back and swinging my face with great force into the brick wall of calc 2 for too damn long lteo: you're almost done
never give up! never surrender! qbit: :D lteo: thanks to qbit for saying that to me back then kyl: haha qbit: thank the super nintendo for saying it to me! benDos: And after all this i'll have a lonely Bachelors of Art degree kyl: wew swapping four and a half gigs kusuriya: lol batchelor of arts qbit: http://opensourceecology.org/ kusuriya: Science > Art
qbit: ive been following that since they started benDos: shutup..
I know but that's the degree i'm getting lteo: at least your degree isn't BS ;) kusuriya: dont know its a BA most BAs are BS :D benDos: Tbh it seems to not matter tbh lteo: it really doesn't kusuriya: i actually want a BSE
but i need to find the time benDos: I have a degree in comp sci and if someone talks to me for more than a minute they'll know i'm better than most master's they'll speak to lteo: funny, because in other countries there are so many Bachelor of (whatever) benDos: In Futurama there's Bachelor Chow kusuriya: yeah benDos: But i don't think that's what you're talking about
gaiz lteo: my bachelor's degree is Bachelor of Computing ;) benDos: i'm going back to werk
*whoosh* BryceBot: Bye benDos! kusuriya: halo thar guize lteo: aw
$ ruby poop
ruby: No such file or directory -- poop (LoadError)
oh i misspelled it as pooop qbit: lol ribo: lol benDos: Lol so my class uses math terms not found anywhere else online kusuriya: lawlz ribo: hate it when my poop has a load error benDos: but from out textbook
super cool lteo: that was fast ribo: I drank a lot of coffee today though
so my poop should load doublequick lteo: i don't care what y'all say, but ruby's Array.delete_if is kinda awesome ribo: it's ok, I love ruby too lteo: ribo: any opinion on rubinius? kyl: *ahem* the 'thong's generator expressions
though i am caring less and less about python erraday qbit: lamb duh kusuriya: hmm wonder how hard it would be to make an email/calendar notifier using AF_BUS ribo: lteo: I'll care more when its 1.9 compat lteo: will you care less and less about Go someday? ;)
ribo: same kyl: lteo: bro possibly
i'm open to that
i mean, i was all about python until Go came along
a Go-killer is feasible kusuriya: but ruby is not that ribo: python people have serious ruby envy kyl: i didn't
i don't like ruby because i've used it ribo: they even try to make fun of ruby in comments, hurr hipsters use ruby & wear tight jeans
etc. kyl: heh lteo: oops i do wear tight jeans kusuriya: meh C# > ruby is all i can say ribo: lol kyl: they're just jealous because ruby devs are all about ascii dongs and no one points that out kusuriya: when ruby has an entire OS programmed out of it ill consider chaning my position kyl: the only thing i use python for anymore is ipython-type tasks
stuff in a repl kusuriya: man fuck you linux mint
all i want is monodevelop mcchunkie: aw, where's the pun in that? lteo: whoa an actual linux mint user found in the wild ribo: an actual mono user in the wild, too
pretending that C# is relevant
:D piroko: fucking. mosh. holyshitthisiscool
I keep switching from ethernet to wifi just to watch it reconnect. lol ribo: lol benDos: This fucking guy qbit: http://i.imgur.com/X4hbx.jpg -: benDos hates calc2 so hard JainAmber: Hullo ***: scrmngfist has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) JainAmber: I just had this conversation with my friend:
Friend: All I wish is that there were more hours everyday! ...... Me: As long as elon musk is alive, I think someday we might have days longer than 24 hours! :D
;) lteo: i like that delayed ;) effect JainAmber: :D <-- This one also belongs to previous conversation!
(sorry for the delay)
:P <--- My reply to lteo's comment! piroko: qbit: Fuck you qbit: wat piroko: qbit: You made me laugh out loud at work
Now people know qbit: lol
o/ piroko: I am now going to disconnect my laptop from ethernet, walk my computer over to a friend to show him this image, and then come back and watch mosh reconnect lteo: aw, piroko exits qbit's friend zone and now piroko is giggling at qbit's jokes over the intarwebs. young love.. benDos: d'awee qbit: :D benDos: Woo
Submitting this exam lteo: yay! benDos: Which i am near 100% certain i failed
hooray qbit: higgidy benDos: Few things frustrate me more than failing math tests cause they disallow the tools I use to do math qbit: that is totally not math dbtid: matlab is not allowed on your tests? benDos: What? dbtid: sheesh!
bastards. brycec: This made me literally laugh out loud 13:04:50 <+piroko> qbit: You made me laugh out loud at work lteo: it made you llol? piroko: lteo: The huehuahua thing? Yes
I'm currently watching the mosh techincal youtube video. It's really interesting lteo: piroko: i was referring to brycec's "literally laugh out loud" as "llol"
anything techincal must be interesting
output from my poop script
$ ruby poop
yo
^ that indicates success, yay! brycec: What if it had output nosotros? qbit: yo poop! lteo: does anyone happen to know what protocol java in a browser uses to check if a signed applet is ok? ***: cmeiklejohn has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) benDos: lteo, network protocol or the actual signing? lteo: netowrk protocl
network protocol brycec: TCP + SSL cert classes? benDos: I believe it checks the cert locally lteo: ah ok benDos: I'm not 100%
for applets but for java security managers in general
they do local checks lteo: ok thanks. it kinda makes sense if they already have local CA certs and stuff piroko: lteo: oh benDos: I actually thought it relied on the system's crypto perhaps not though piroko: fuck me. This was one of the best technical presentations I've ever seen benDos: I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't use your systems trusted ca's piroko: http://mosh.mit.edu/#techinfo
This guy is a baller lteo: a ballmer? benDos: @chairflip
... mcchunkie brycec: no piroko: har har har benDos: I assume some of you have suggestions for being more productive when living with a significant other?
I've found i get much less work done since my gf moved in
Instead of spending my nights coding cause i don't have something better to do, i do stuff with her piroko: benDos: There is no suggestion. Enjoy your time with her :) benDos: I do
But i think at the expense of my classwork piroko: Tell her you have to get yo shit done benDos: ..oohkay
Maybe i just need to drop off irc till after the semester's over
We'll see piroko: I liked to go to panera with my (now) wife. She would read reddit or a book or something while I did my homework with my headphones on benDos: Hmm piroko: Or when she was in college she would do work too. lol brycec: Yeah I have the same problem benDos benDos: Yeah my gf just finished school and i'm not done yet brycec: though we find time to do our own thing too benDos: i really just need to better manage time for busywork i have to pay to do
(most of my coursework) piroko: That's really the key benDos: I have to write a paper on whether video games are art, and cite it
and shit like that just rubs me the wrong way
Why it matters is perhaps a more interesting question piroko: why college matters is a question in itself
Also why is it so fucking expensive in the US benDos: But "Are Video Games Art?" is not interesting or inciteful piroko: true benDos: Tbh engineering degrees have a purpose imo
But my cs track also requires i take a bunch of math, the math dept is small so all the upper division math is taught for people who are becoming math teachers
I wish they required more math from cs tbh
Just not taught in a way that expects us to be teaching it to someone else on a blackboard
It's fucking annoying and i don't think i'll be able to get over it piroko: OK edge tethering + mosh is awesome. I can totally tether to my hearts content, not worry about going over on my data plan, and ssh is still usable
And it makes me feel hipster for using ancient cell technologies benDos: If you really wanted to feel hipster, you'd master dc ***: Gallomimia has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)
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ChanServ sets mode: +v Gallomimia benDos: qbit, might not even be hipster enough to use dc on a regular basis piroko: dc?
The calc app? benDos: Yup
rpn yo piroko: dude fuck that I have an hp48g and an hp32 sitting on my desk right fucking now qbit: pish
my calculator uses DC benDos: ...dc is arbitrary precision qbit: the one true current benDos: aren't those fixed point piroko? piroko: benDos: Yes benDos: So there
When you need to be accurate to 116 decimal places
dc is the app you want piroko: I'll no longer be a programmer :P benDos: s/p/b lazylopez_: I'll no longer be a brogrammer :P benDos: Idk qbit: holy mercury water! benDos: So google translate doesn't speak persian..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2240160/Irans-navy-showcases-bright-new-warship---damage-wont-coming.html
I was curious if the persian word for turquoise was any manlier
http://translate.google.com/#auto/fa/turquoise does not help. ***: sjoos_ has quit IRC (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) lteo: maybe the iranian elite forces wear turquoise uniforms benDos: I hope so
I'd lol something fierce ***: perlite_ has joined #devious
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ChanServ sets mode: +o cmeiklejohn lteo: benDos: just noticed your rant above. i feel for you bro, the university system is totally broken kyl: kusuriya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhn3rTnpk0g BryceBot: YouTube News: "Alex Jones money MONKEY BOMB (DANCE LIKE A PRIMATE)" by PRISONFORYOURMIND1 (2m 57s), 830 views, 19 likes and 4 dislikes. Uploaded 2011-03-04T21:16:51.000Z. qbit: wat kyl: kusuriya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct21YCEiWMM BryceBot: YouTube News: "Alex Jones Goes Ape" by vilemonkey (52s), 25,262 views, 165 likes and 46 dislikes. Uploaded 2010-04-08T01:26:30.000Z. qbit: wtf kyl: or, kusuriya, how about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIjA0qnU_hc BryceBot: YouTube Entertainment: "Alex Jones's Impression of a Obama supporter (((BEST MOMENT)))" by meegowl (4m 58s), 26,255 views. Uploaded 2009-05-12T14:07:41.000Z. ***: zerdman has left ribo: what is this garbage I'm looking at kyl: i dunno, what garbage are you looking at? ribo: OH BAWWWWMAAA
guy is a tool lol kyl: hmm?
oh the alex jones videos ribo: this stuff you just posted lol kyl: i'm guessing you don't know who he is ribo: I don't kyl: the reason i said " kusuriya: "
was because no one else here knows who he is
dude is hilarious piroko: It's really fun fucking around with mosh's predictive echo engine
Making it delete my prompt and shit brycec: oh I know who Alex Jones is... and that's why I didn't waste my time clicking :p ***: brabo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
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Fuck yea sharvey: aw man
jelly kyl: jelly you say
does that mean
it's peanut butter and jelly time? sharvey: jealous kyl: pfft that's not as much fun as pbj time piroko: sharvey: Why are you jelly? Install mosh! benDos: piroko, can you run SOCKS over mosh?
I suppose i could just google that....
neat
seems so qbit: can you vpn over it? :O ***: cachopo has joined #devious
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ChanServ sets mode: +v Gallomimia benDos: "Letting the Internet be rewired by bureaucrats would be like handing a Stradivarius to a gorilla." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324352004578136902821852508.html
win
the quote anyway brycec: mmmm... I just averaged 300MB/s write speed to rotating media benDos: How big of a write? brycec: bs=128M benDos: I mean overall Lefty: how many rotating media? brycec: benDos: about 40G
Lefty: 4 drives :P
and read was 465MB/s benDos: Oh across 4 drives yeah that sounds pretty solid
RAID0? brycec: ZFS zpool benDos: Hah yeah raidz=<3 brycec: not raidz
just a zpool benDos: Isn't that the same thing?
I don't do much zfs brycec: no, raidz is raidz benDos: I can tell you in detail about the internal caching algorithms it uses for pages but i don't remember the userspace stuff :x brycec: it's only raidz if you set it up as raidz (zpool create $name raidz blah blah blah) benDos: gotcha
That's pretty sweet io brycec: but this is just plain zpool which is a lot like raid0
yeah it is :) benDos: Gotcha brycec: now to destroy and test raidz performance benDos: I get in the mid to upper 200's on my RAID10
That said it's with about 5 year old WD desktop drives
And RAID10 != RAID0 :p brycec: Now THIS is what I call performance! (fuck yeah caches) 3355443200 bytes transferred in 2.079781 secs (1613363672 bytes/sec)
1.6GB/s benDos: that doesn't look like bonnie++? brycec: It's dd
quick and dirty test mcchunkie: That's what c0sh said! benDos: Do a quick bonnie test :p brycec: fine benDos: Yay -: benDos <3's io specifics benDos: brycec, did you catch http://youtu.be/-qv7k2_lc0M ? BryceBot: YouTube Comedy: "Key & Peele: Obama Loses His SH*T" by comedycentral (2m 48s), 5,327,683 views, 36,878 likes and 2,057 dislikes. Uploaded 2012-01-11T21:11:32.000Z. brycec: no I didn't bother -: brycec doesn't click *every* url
brycec has learned not to click every url dbtid: you don't??? -: dbtid hunts for URLs for brycec to click brycec: lol kusuriya: http://goatse.cx
:o brycec: Oooh a .cx, it must be friendly and safe for the family!
@tld cx BryceBot: The top-level domain 'cx' is used for: Christmas Island. brycec: ^ kusuriya: brycec: i know thats why goatse lost their domain
:P
and now its owned by some one offering free email ...
...
launch rock needs a lesson in internet history brycec: woo finalyl starting the rewriting phase ***: ckrailo has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
ambigu0us has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) piroko: benDos: You can???? I imagine that wouldn't work well
Because mosh was programmed specifically with terminal emulation in mind
Also, FUCK MEDIASERVER
er wait
That might actually be because I was playing music today lol
It's pretty neat being able to just open my fucking laptop and have irc just waiting for me ***: tallship has quit IRC (Quit: Too Hip gotta go - Going..... Down..... Mr. Tyler?) revberaldo: there are only two good fonts for programming
or whatever kyl: comic sans and? revberaldo: and GohuFont Lefty: wingdings revberaldo: and the one xterm uses kyl: lefty is correct
revberaldo loses
i've become a fan of anonymous pro revberaldo: haha, I'm not playing on level hard kyl: revberaldo: well, that was your final life, so i guess that's game over
thanks for playing though! Lefty: Bitstream vera! revberaldo: does that mean I'll have to wait for respawn time? kyl: Lefty: i tried it, but it didn't look as good revberaldo: kyl, it's a good font, but I remember it being not sharp kyl: revberaldo: you'll have to wait until the next game revberaldo: I like when fonts look sharp kyl: revberaldo: i'm looking at it on a retina display... it's sharp
this display has made me much pickier revberaldo: you mean a display with a decent resolution
well, I don't have one, unfortunately
what's the resolution by the way? kyl: one sec
1920x1200 on a 15" screen ***: cmeiklejohn has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) kusuriya: hm i thought retina was higher kyl: not on the mbp revberaldo: that's pretty good kyl: ^ kusuriya: yeah kyl: has already ruined all the backgrounds i had before kusuriya: i cant argue with it because its awesome, and you have one kyl: can't set the profound programmer backgrounds anymore
don't get me wrong, i still <3 my x230's 1366xwhatever display
but this is extremely crisp kusuriya: yeah i wish more people gave the 1920x1200 option revberaldo: ha, I guess it is kusuriya: because i really have issues with how apple builds their systems now revberaldo: you're running OS X?
kusuriya, agreed kusuriya: the soldered ram is like a giant middle finger kyl: yes
and i have the thinkpad as my upgradeable system / portable server revberaldo: Apple hardware looks good and has decent amounts of power. I'd have one. I'd never run OS X though.
my new wallpaper thanks to kyl: http://i.imgur.com/0z831.jpg
it's exactly how it feels to try getting tables and figures in reasonable places in LaTeX kyl: i have the posters of http://i.imgur.com/ES6sP.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/S4N65.jpg revberaldo: LOL kyl: kusuriya: did you see the videos i linked you earlier? lteo: oh mang you gaiz are making me remember the horrible LaTeX stuff i tried hard to forget revberaldo: clearpage!
>{centeringarraybackslash}m{5cm}! kusuriya: kyl: i didnt
but i got them pulled up
man whats really going to irritate me is when intel moves to BGA procs kyl: lteo: bro never forget! kusuriya: forgetting is the first step of repeating
im kinda irritated that IWL doesnt seem to do 300 megabit wireless n :(
(on loonix) lteo: revberaldo: -.- revberaldo: SI{196,5}{ml}! (that's actually pretty cool) mwheeler: My resume is still in latex ***: zcrayfish has joined #devious
ChanServ sets mode: +v zcrayfish mwheeler: I thought about moving it to xml or markdown, but I like the result of my current template kyl: i wrote my resume in mandoc :o zenmower: heh we are going to get some mac minis kyl: zenmower: i have one at work zenmower: to use in a distributed search cluster project lteo: i just have unpleasant memories fighting with numerous templates the night before submission deadline zenmower: kyl: my boss might leave
=( -: kyl pictures lteo in a firefight, desperately pitching his last grenade towards the template in all night running gunfight zenmower: he got another offer kyl: nice
good for him zenmower: yeah
i will be the head nigger in charge revberaldo: I think we shouldn't use LaTeX for anything that's not going to be published
why not use XML or HTML?
so much better. kyl: revberaldo: my resumé was published revberaldo: but I love LaTeX kyl: mandoc supports html and pdf output revberaldo: that's a pretty good use of LaTeX, kyl zenmower: there will be some architecture changes kyl: revberaldo: but my resumé is not in LaTeX zenmower: as well as language changes kyl: zenmower: moar coldfusion zenmower: as well as i better get moar monies revberaldo: kyl, it should be! zenmower: kyl no moar revberaldo: thing about PDF output kyl: revberaldo: why? it looks good now
and - it's a man page
they can install it on their computer and look me up whenever revberaldo: you can't really control typography to the extent you can in LaTeX
apropos kyl kyl: but i don't need to control typography, i pretty much just print the plain text version anyways
and give that to people revberaldo: kyl, that's such a cool idea kyl: there's very few people who *won't* accept a .txt file revberaldo: I'll print the plain latex
and give THAT to people kyl: revberaldo: i didn't say the source, i said the plain text version revberaldo: if YOU'RE gonna hire me, you'd better be prepared
kyl, I know, I'm just stretching the idea kyl: typical ***: zdo has joined #devious
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Gallomimia has quit IRC (Quit: I am likely going to change locations) brycec: huh wtf? bonnie++ on my FreeBSD box is 1.96, and on my Arch box it's 1.03e. how the hell does that work?
wb zdo
benDos: Since you were interested http://sprunge.us/IWZQ qbit: hummina! brycec: (SSD - 3x 120GB SATA II drives) qbit: YOURANSS!
D brycec: (RAIDZ1/NONRAIDZ - 4x 2TB SATA II drives hanging off a RAID controller as JBOD, PCIe x8)
now what the heck is qbit prattling on abotu? ***: cmeiklejohn has joined #devious
ChanServ sets mode: +o cmeiklejohn brycec: damnit I have never found Tina Fey more attractive than i do now
fantastic ep
of 30 Rock kyl: that show is still running? brycec: yes
yes, it is.
season 7, ep 7
more surprisingly, The Office is in season 9 qbit: I find her fantastically attractive ***: revberaldo has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) brycec: qbit: Tina Fey dressed up as Princess Leia, blammo. kyl: s/f/m/ lazylopez_: qbit: Tina Fey dressed up as Princess Leia, blammo. ***: revberaldo has joined #devious
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revberaldo has joined #devious qbit: lol brycec: i know it's not the first time, but she looked better this time... but I can't tell you ;) revberaldo: need to relearn irssi jrick: omg
I got go-gtk working on 64-bit windows -: jrick laughs maniacially brycec: nice jrick kyl: heh
i do not envy you jrick: but this means I can use golang for my serior design project brycec: your sr design project being... reimplementing Xombrero in Go? jrick: no, I wish. -: qbit imagines jrick designing old people jrick: we building a robot to paint football fields
and I'm writing the gui frontend
the controller program
communicates wireless using XBees to the robot
wirelessly qbit: nicee -: brycec imagines the robot going rogue and painting football fields EVERYWHERE jrick: it's pretty sweet, using lazers for localized navigation ***: Scrawny has joined #devious qbit: :D
that is pretty sweet jrick: wow
laser* ***: Perkeus has joined #devious qbit: majorlazor jrick: it's ok guys I'm an engineer no need to spell ***: Scrawn has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
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There really ought to be more C repos on GH kyl: i'm doing what i can
i have 26
if coderwall is to be believed ***: JainAmber has joined #devious revberaldo: hm
this coderwall is nice
marvelous what this internet can do these days ***: Scrawny has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
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