#devious 2012-11-29,Thu

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benDos	sharvey, i need new windows Mine are dumb are exchange heat all willy nilly	[03:21]
	s/b are/b and/	[03:32]
lazylopez_	Mine are dumb and exchange heat all willy nilly	[03:32]
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benDos	WOAH GAIZ NEW VERSION OF GIT qbit, you have more github repos than google https://github.com/google	[03:41]
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zod000	http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6710/125/ stop making so much sense canada	[04:08]
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benDos	Hai D: s/D:/:D	[04:48]
lazylopez_	Hai :D	[04:49]
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niteye	fiunny bug in opendchub in ubuntu/debian you can try to change the config all you want, when it starts up it will rewrite the config file with its defaults and start up without saying anything luckily easy to fix by changing permission so it cant do that anymore I SURE SHOWED YOU DIDNT I, YOU DIDNT SEE THAT COMING DID YOU OPENDCHUB ha	[05:03]
piroko	qbit: So APPARENTLY if you're stock + rooted + custom recovery, the OTA's don't get pushed to you Well maybe. I just went back to stock and I still haven't received the the 4.2.1 update :(	[05:09]
	qbit: Alright got it to push by clearing data in google services framework :) Yay stock	[05:15]
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niteye	i wish we could change operating systems so that it says everywhere dick wherever disk was "dick size: larger than 74% of other steam users" your dick appears to be fragmented scanning your dick for virusus	[06:05]
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snk	niteye: did your dick get quarantined?	[06:38]
niteye	it should be	[06:39]
dbtid	niteye: ever get any breastmilk?	[06:41]
niteye	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7n1nrAaRJc not yet but this video clip is so cute it compells me to respect females more	[06:42]
BryceBot	YouTube Music: "[HD] Lenka - Trouble Is A Friend (New Version)" by muzikfanz02 (3m 27s), 1,078,085 views, 1,959 likes and 34 dislikes. Uploaded 2009-08-07T21:51:07.000Z.	[06:42]
dbtid	well keep trying	[06:44]
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niteye	niteye likes katy perry's mammarian organs	[06:46]
dbtid	i heard she had a wardrobe malfunction a while back other end, though, i think	[06:47]
qbit	hola!	[06:47]
dbtid	hi qbit up, down, strange today?	[06:47]
qbit	:P	[06:48]
niteye	i must find a videoclip of that malfunction!	[06:49]
dbtid	niteye: ? http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=katy%20perry%20wardrobe%20malfunction&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDMQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dxwnp7-k-sqw&ei=Fna3ULfcGoeY9QSV_YDIDQ&usg=AFQjCNGzttKujYUsooHMO5RVJvCsAYeB3g that might be it	[06:50]
sharvey	benDos: mine or so clean are* and white	[06:51]
niteye	the narrator is annoying and it's censored :-(	[06:51]
dbtid	niteye: too bad	[06:51]
benDos	sharvey, your windows?	[06:52]
niteye	that's okay though, ill just use my imagination	[06:52]
sharvey	yes	[06:52]
benDos	Huh	[06:52]
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lteo	it's annoying when computers do what i say, instead of what i mean	[07:06]
benDos	Use more Pascal?	[07:07]
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lwhalen	ninjapants: so good of you to log in this morning ;-)	[07:29]
ninjapants	-.- I've been busy. y'know. workin'	[07:30]
dbtid	howdy ninjapants	[07:32]
ninjapants	hiya! I am surprised, I haven't had coffee today, but am still (mostly) alert	[07:32]
piroko	INCREDIBLE	[07:34]
ninjapants	I didn't drink much caffeine this weekend, and I've been experimenting with not having coffee. No headache yet	[07:35]
lteo	i always get the "helmet feel" if i don't get my morning coffee if you know what i mean	[07:35]
piroko	ninjapants: I get the WORST headaches when I go cold turkey by accident Everytime I swear up and down that I'm done with caffeine Until the next day	[07:36]
ninjapants	I normally do. I'm not sure why this time is different, but so far so good. I realized I was leaving at least half of my morning coffee in the mug, and I have some tasty teas that I've neglected	[07:38]
lteo	i refuse to listen to this crazy talk	[07:38]
ninjapants	I also have cut back the amount of crap I'm eating a lot. Cheese is normally my weakness - but I haven't had a craving in a few days which is huge	[07:39]
mcchunkie	twss!	[07:39]
piroko	Cheese is awesome	[07:42]
ninjapants	it is. but I realized last year that it's also part of the reason I break out constantly (nothing huge, but still) for some reason the hormones in the dairy interact with my face. Within a few weeks of not eating cheese or dairy daily, I clear right up	[07:43]
piroko	Sucks to be a woman I kid I kid piroko is listening to the new ke$ha album and FUCKING LOVING IT piroko flicks off everyone in the room	[07:50]
qbit	qbit quits piroko as a friend	[07:51]
piroko	piroko hugs qbit	[07:51]
lteo	so, piroko exits qbit's friend zone?	[07:51]
piroko	I like where this is going	[07:52]
qbit	lal http://cheezburger.com/45090305	[07:53]
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piroko	qbit: haha nice	[07:59]
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qbit	whoa sigur ros sounding remix of a fuckbuttons song yesplz http://open.spotify.com/track/6R0iKZfNjebmwP7UrmWzDe	[08:20]
BryceBot	Error fetching information for http://open.spotify.com/track/6R0iKZfNjebmwP7UrmWzDe: Can't call method "find" on an undefined value	[08:20]
qbit	you shut your whore mouth BryceBot !	[08:21]
brycec	YOU SHUT YOURS qbit damn, was hoping noembed had got their spotify shit together	[08:21]
lteo	BryceBot -- dampening qbit's excitement since November 2012!	[08:21]
brycec	ha	[08:21]
qbit	;D anyone running full disk encryption on theys hot openbsd boxins?	[08:21]
brycec	I read this as you're prostituting yourself 08:30:39 < ninjapants> I've been busy. y'know. workin' pffft silly qbit, OpenBSD is soooo secure it doesn't need WDE	[08:23]
lteo	lteo doesn't have enough balls to do full disk encryption	[08:26]
brycec	If the whole disk is encrypted, how does the bootloader read the kernel and stuff? (legit question) I know that on Linux systems, you keep an unencrypted partition for /boot stuffs... Do you do the same for *BSD?	[08:29]
qbit	they booklearnt boot(8) to do the encryption	[08:31]
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lteo	sometimes i just want to give it all up and be a supermodel	[08:35]
qbit	haha	[08:35]
dbtid	lteo how many iq points do you have to give up?	[08:36]
zod000	being a supermodel would be lame, having one around for recreational purposes sounds good though	[08:37]
dbtid	zod000: you could have lteo	[08:37]
zod000	dbtid: enough that he might experience a freak gasoline fight accident	[08:37]
dbtid	now BOTH your problems are solved	[08:37]
lteo	dbtid: i dunno, but i will just answer "world peace" to every question	[08:37]
dbtid	lteo: you'd be better off answering "whirled peas"	[08:37]
qbit	haha	[08:38]
zod000	lteo: if you can't master Blue Steel, you won't get anywhere in modelling	[08:38]
dbtid	they're ain't never gonna be "world peace" zod000: I was thinking Magnum	[08:38]
zod000	dbtid: also a valid skill	[08:38]
dbtid	i love the "IT'S THE SAME LOOK!" line from that movie.	[08:38]
zod000	zod000 breakdance fights dbtid me too	[08:38]
dbtid	dbtid whips out his gasoline can	[08:39]
ninjapants	brycec: sometimes I feel that way.	[08:39]
dbtid	"that way" -- like you wanna have sex with girls???	[08:39]
brycec	is lwhalen forcing you to, ninjapants ?	[08:39]
ninjapants	"that way" - like I'm prostituting myself.	[08:40]
brycec	dbtid: see scrollback or context	[08:40]
zod000	bad lwhalen ...or good?	[08:40]
ninjapants	brycec: nah, it's all work-related	[08:40]
dbtid	no fun	[08:40]
ninjapants	exactly I'm the person everyone goes to with their "little projects" like: hey, I need a chart that has this little bit of info	[08:40]
dbtid	ninjapants: one time, someone who i solved problems for said something like, "I could not do my job without you!" so i said, "Thanks; please tell my boss." she did next quarterly meeting, i got a check for a grand as a thank you	[08:41]
brycec	wow nice	[08:41]
dbtid	it helped that she was the HR boss	[08:41]
ninjapants	which turns into: oh, yeah, and I need a chart that goes with it that's clustered stacked bars with some lines included	[08:41]
zod000	excellent	[08:41]
ninjapants	dbtid: these are mostly from people in my group and they all give me full credit for being awesome	[08:41]
dbtid	aw, bummer	[08:42]
ninjapants	it's funny how often the words "and NJ put this together for us, which looks great. and she did it so quickly!" come up in our staff meetings	[08:42]
brycec	Sometimes I touch Unity and think "Gee, why did I hate this so much?" and as I think on it, I realize I'm using it at 640x480, and that when scaled to run on two screens at native resolution, it crrrraaaawwwlllled.	[08:43]
dbtid	brycec: what's Unity?	[08:46]
brycec	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_(user_interface)	[08:46]
BryceBot	Unity (user interface) :: Unity is a shell interface for the GNOME desktop environment developed by Canonical Ltd for its Ubuntu operating system. Unity debuted in the netbook edition of Ubuntu 10.10. It is designed to make more efficient use of space given the limited screen size of netbooks, including, for example, a vertical application switcher called the launcher. Unlike GNOME, KDE Software Compilation, Xfce, or LXDE, Unity is not a collection.	[08:46]
dbtid	ah	[08:47]
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benDos	Hai	[08:48]
qbit	halla	[08:49]
kyl	moin	[08:49]
benDos	I just sat through an hour and a half discussion whether or not games are art It was hella rough to actually sit there and not just walk out Fucking undergrad.	[08:50]
dbtid	hi kyl	[08:50]
ribo	http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2128881_2129111_2129112,00.html	[08:50]
qbit	ha	[08:50]
ribo	oh 4chan	[08:50]
qbit	haha	[08:50]
lteo	kyl: annoyingly i found out that vmware.com themselves are offering fusion 5 at $29.99 also, but the electronic download version. had i known earlier i would've opted for the download. coz i h9 physical media	[08:51]
kyl	heh this came with a flash drive which i <3 hi dbtid	[08:51]
benDos	lteo, why not qemu+kvm?	[08:51]
lteo	kyl: last night i upgraded fusion via the flash drive without even detaching it from the CD ;)	[08:52]
kyl	because that sucks	[08:52]
lteo	benDos: because i don't have enough brain cells to figure it out	[08:52]
kyl	lteo: heh, the macbok pros don't have CD drives brah so i would have had to bring it into work	[08:52]
lteo	oh right forgot about htat	[08:52]
kyl	also i have a mac mini at work without a cd drive but that is (was) running a trial version	[08:53]
benDos	lteo, qemu-manager really is pretty straight forward They've gui;fied vm setup and maintaince if you prefer that gui-fied*	[08:54]
lteo	i might check it out though i would dread having to disable mpbios in the openbsd kernel every time i upgrade just to make it run in kvm	[08:54]
benDos	Oh yeah i have no idea about kvm on obsd	[08:55]
kyl	also, kvm on os x is <<<< vmware fusion it runs way slower and is a lot more of a pita i've done it and i have to do it if i want to emulate a mips machine	[08:55]
benDos	Yeah i only know qemu and kvm on linux i'd certainly believe it's total shit on !linux	[08:55]
lteo	fusion fries on the mac anyway, bbiab runch	[08:56]
benDos	s/r/h	[08:57]
lazylopez_	anyway, bbiab hunch	[08:57]
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brycec	ninja[chipotle]: you cruel bitch! what the... Psy is up for Time person of the year??? lol EL James	[08:59]
benDos	brycec, who would you suggest if not Psy? Mittens?	[09:01]
brycec	kittens kindof want to see the words "pussy riot" on the cover legitmacy aside, I think it would be funny	[09:01]
dbtid	brycec: yeah, of all the important things going on the in the world, who REALLY gives a fuck about the guy who has the most watched youtube video? someone is going to break that record, and then THEY'LL be POTY?	[09:02]
ninja[chipotle]	brycec: I know :D It just opened up near my office.	[09:02]
brycec	ha	[09:03]
benDos	ninja[chipotle], that's baller.	[09:03]
brycec	I work across the street from a Chipotle... only ever been there (that location) once	[09:03]
benDos	brycec... benDos unfriends	[09:03]
brycec	benDos...	[09:03]
dbtid	not really a fan of chipotle	[09:03]
brycec	benDos: it's not a great lunch food imo	[09:03]
dbtid	their meat has too much non-meat in it the mcdonald's of mexican food	[09:03]
benDos	brycec, it's great lunch food knowning that the hour after lunch will be productivity forever lost	[09:03]
dbtid	if i wanted gristle i'd go to mcdonald's	[09:04]
brycec	meh I've no complaints, never noticed any gristle ...	[09:04]
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brycec	Maybe Chipotle[ohio] just hates you dbtid ? or for that matter, sucks	[09:04]
benDos	Not that chipotle is the all best faux-mexican food	[09:04]
kyl	heh i don't go to chipotle anymore	[09:05]
benDos	but it's usually adequate	[09:05]
kyl	because qdoba 4eva	[09:05]
ribo	qdoba is superior	[09:05]
kyl	jk illegal petes	[09:05]
benDos	We don't have any of thse up here not even taco bell	[09:05]
kyl	hopefully ribo knows whats up	[09:05]
benDos	we have fajita grill	[09:05]
ribo	qdoba. queso. IP is good too	[09:05]
kyl	ip is best	[09:05]
brycec	I should try Qdoba one of these days... Moe's is pretty damn good	[09:05]
kyl	qdoba's ranchero burrito is muy bueno	[09:05]
ribo	get q queso burrito, then queso & chips queeessssoooooo	[09:06]
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brycec	damn, closest qdoba is about 10mi from work (one-way)	[09:07]
ribo	shitty had the same problem when in denver luckly, the first chipotle ever was like a block away, next to illegal pete's	[09:07]
brycec	haha Ooh Spokane has THREE qdboas (North, South Hill, and Valley)	[09:08]
zod000	i really don't care for chipotle	[09:09]
brycec	versus the ONE Chipotle in Spokane (downtown)	[09:09]
zod000	Moes and tiajuna flats are decent though, not sure how widespread those chains are	[09:10]
benDos	brycec, are you checking out your mexican food options before moving?	[09:10]
brycec	Moe's is surprisingly widespread... but they closed the shop that was near me, so now I'm sad benDos: already done, repeatedly in fact	[09:10]
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brycec	wb netsplit refugees	[09:10]
benDos	So you've picked out an apt in delivery range of as many as possible? :p	[09:11]
brycec	ha no (apt choices are kinda suck anyways) Besides... since when is there mexican delivery? I live in AZ and know of NO PLACES that deliver Mexican or hamburgers, for that matter	[09:11]
benDos	I'm in central new york homie And i can get a chimichango delivered right now if i wanted	[09:11]
brycec	i hate you	[09:12]
zod000	lol	[09:12]
brycec	i hate you so much	[09:12]
benDos	It's ok i just had a gyro, and started some coffee nomnom	[09:12]
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brycec	But... can you get a burger delivered?	[09:12]
zod000	there are actually services around here you can get anything delivered from anywhere else, but it is rarely worth the cost imo	[09:12]
brycec	zod000++	[09:12]
zod000	cheap zod is cheap	[09:12]
benDos	brycec, i tots can by like at least 5 or 6 places i can think of	[09:12]
brycec	what the hell. so not cool	[09:12]
benDos	benDos lives in a college town I can actually get things like that delivered until like 4am	[09:13]
brycec	brycec lives near a collegetown	[09:13]
zod000	zod000 lives in a town	[09:14]
benDos	benDos lives in a town with 3 nuclear reactors Not to brag or whatever	[09:15]
zod000	enjoy your extra limbs jk	[09:16]
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benDos	Just the one ;)	[09:16]
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benDos	brycec, easymode cooking > delivery anyway About 95% of the year, my apt is stocked with stuff to make tacos/burritos	[09:20]
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benDos	zod000, delayed rebuttal I may grow some extra arms but you statistically already have or are about to fall into a sinkhole	[09:24]
zod000	benDos: my years of console video game training have trained me to avoid holes in the ground	[09:25]
benDos	To me that sounds like you're about to fall into a sinkhole	[09:25]
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zod000	benDos: unlikely, but sinkholes really do suck	[09:27]
benDos	brycec, they are opening the 4th subway in my town just opened*	[09:28]
zod000	more in the house ruining way than actually getting a person	[09:28]
benDos	All within 2 miles of each other on the same street	[09:28]
brycec	only 4 in your town?	[09:28]
benDos	zod000, limestone just isn't as baller a foundation as floridians of yesteryear thought It was more that we have 4 of them within 2 miles on the same street it a <30k person town Along other with sub shops ofc	[09:28]
zod000	it is too bad subway kinda sucks i swear there are 30 in my area i find their quality to be highly variable depending on the owner of the franchise	[09:30]
benDos	Yeah're hit or miss Yeah Some are ok subs for ok prices Some pretty terrible	[09:31]
zod000	the one closest to work is abyssmal	[09:31]
qbit	damn!	[09:31]
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qbit	boot(8) doesn't like my yubikey	[09:31]
zod000	the one near my house is decent, but there is a firehouse sub and quizno right down the road	[09:31]
dbtid	yahoo! ok, i don't have to muck about with 1 msec time resolution, which is sadly hard to get on this chip because none of the clocks are nice that way, and i'd end up having to do ugly integer division	[09:31]
zod000	and a publix	[09:31]
qbit	oh wait it does	[09:32]
brycec	congrats dbtid	[09:32]
qbit	hot	[09:32]
brycec	what changed?	[09:32]
jrick	qbit: setting up FDE?	[09:33]
dbtid	brycec: the requirement :)	[09:33]
brycec	swoot	[09:33]
dbtid	i could have it done in the FPGA, but that's a hassle	[09:33]
qbit	jrick: si	[09:33]
mcchunkie	New sets for amd64! New sets for loongson!	[09:33]
jrick	schweet	[09:33]
dbtid	i could give a time base of 1024 not 1000, but he didn't like that because if we change platforms, it might be hard to generate that on the next chip so this is a good compromise	[09:33]
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ninjapants	wtf just happened I came back and the channel was empty	[09:34]
benDos	I'm still here. Maybe you got a funny netsplit coming?	[09:35]
ninjapants	there was a netsplit, but it said netsplit - hexreel quit I have no idea I was going to tell brycec that the meat that I get at the chipotles I've been to has always been tasty no gristle.	[09:36]
sharvey	ugh	[09:37]
benDos	brycec, is here for me	[09:37]
sharvey	forgot fire alarm tests were today	[09:37]
brycec	ninjapants: still here	[09:37]
benDos	ninjapants, maybe rejoin?	[09:37]
ninjapants	I did	[09:37]
brycec	I see 93 nicks in the channel	[09:37]
ninjapants	right, that's after I rejoined	[09:37]
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brycec	well netsplits are fun	[09:37]
ninjapants	somethin' funky went down while I was grabbing foodz	[09:38]
brycec	dbtid: quick pm?	[09:38]
dbtid	brycec: any time	[09:38]
sharvey	:( more fire alarm tests	[09:39]
dbtid	brycec: hell, if you want to call me on the phone, you can do that, too :)	[09:39]
sharvey	will there be more I wonder	[09:40]
brycec	lol dbtid harder to send URLs that method :p besides irc lets you leave it for later if you're busy now	[09:40]
zod000	just read off the characters brycec	[09:42]
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brycec	ha	[09:42]
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ninjapants	http://cheezburger.com/6796967168	[09:45]
benDos	hah	[09:45]
ninjapants	ha - this one's good, too http://cheezburger.com/6813015808	[09:46]
benDos	I know this must exist but i don't know of any LaTeX-esce markdown languages? A markdown that compiled to LaTeX would be neat Can someone point me in the direction of something stablish?	[09:49]
ribo	markdown > html > latex :P	[09:50]
benDos	Wut.	[09:50]
ribo	:P :3	[09:50]
benDos	For like, you're particular web-centric use-case?	[09:51]
ribo	.ymf thenrightnway https://mdb.io/ymf/jDr.jpg	[09:51]
benDos	Or, generally? your.	[09:51]
ribo	you wanted a markdown that compiles to latex compile it to html first then use one of 8902349820 html to latex tools	[09:51]
benDos	I guesss	[09:52]
ribo	IT'S UNIX. I KNOW THIS. PIPE ALL THE THINGS.	[09:52]
benDos	It was more wanting to latex stuff in markdown But yeah	[09:53]
Lefty	ribo++	[09:55]
kyl	or use pandoc	[09:55]
Lefty	"you didn't say the magic word"	[09:55]
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brycec	"cocaine"	[09:56]
Lefty	dingdingding	[09:56]
ribo	markdown < html < latex :D	[09:56]
brycec	HOLY CRAP an email from Pebble! I'd forgotten I'd pre-ordered a Pebble, it was that long ago...	[09:57]
kyl	latex > *	[09:57]
benDos	@wiki Pebble	[09:57]
BryceBot	Pebble :: A pebble is a clast of rock with a particle size of 4 to 64 millimetres based on the Krumbein phi scale of sedimentology. Pebbles are generally considered to be larger than granules (2 to 4 millimetres diameter) and smaller than cobbles (64 to 256 millimetres diameter). A rock made predominantly of pebbles is termed a conglomerate. Pebble tools are among the earliest known... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble	[09:57]
brycec	and finally, an email from them! (versus me hunting down info on the forums)	[09:57]
ribo	I remember I used to write all my papers in LyX	[09:57]
benDos	Que es un Pebble?	[09:57]
brycec	benDos: Pebble Watch @wiki Pebble (watch)	[09:57]
BryceBot	Pebble (watch) :: The Pebble E-Paper Watch is an upcoming smartwatch. Developers Pebble Technology had raised venture capital for the product under their former name inPulse, but after initially failing to attract traditional investors under their new brand name, in April 2012 the Pebble became the most highly funded Kickstarter project to date. Development Initial... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble%20%28watch%29	[09:57]
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benDos	oh neat	[09:58]
kyl	you should just write in texinfo	[09:58]
benDos	wait	[09:58]
kyl	it's way superior	[09:58]
ribo	only problem I have with all these new awesome watches is battery life : (	[09:58]
benDos	brycec, didn't i just see swatch put that out like 1:1 the same as the wiki image	[09:58]
kyl	heh ribo the only problem i have is i don't wear watches :p	[09:58]
ribo	well, that too I might wear one if it was cool enough like the pebble	[09:58]
kusuriya	pocket watch FTW	[09:59]
ribo	if it had like a 6month run time	[09:59]
kusuriya	kusuriya puts on the hipster glasses	[09:59]
ribo	was just gonna say I have a pocket watch, it's called a cell phone	[09:59]
kyl	i don't even remember to grab my pocket watch most mornings	[09:59]
brycec	heh maybe benDos	[09:59]
kusuriya	ribo: how did you know my secret?	[09:59]
brycec	I've seen a few	[09:59]
kyl	mostly i just don't care about time	[09:59]
ribo	are you a time lord?	[09:59]
brycec	When Pebble was annoued and stuff, it was new and revolutionary	[10:00]
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brycec	lol ribo	[10:00]
kusuriya	ribo: well i was	[10:00]
JainAmber	Hello	[10:00]
kusuriya	until i took an arrow to the knee	[10:00]
brycec	but small startup has been slow, and big companies have said "hey what a neat idea, let's do it too" and I think I've seen Sony with one on the market already	[10:00]
zod000	kusuriya: are you sworn to carry my burdens?	[10:00]
kusuriya	zod000: nope i am the thane! ... the DOD is building swarm drones that are anti drone attack drones XD they are supposed to attack in swarms :D	[10:01]
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JainAmber	x86 Surface with W8 Pro Coming in early 2013. Starting at $899. No matter what, I won't spen 900 fcking dollars on anything-surface!	[10:02]
kusuriya	JainAmber: a lot of people are looking at that though remember microsofts only strength is tight intergration with everything they have every where	[10:02]
zod000	my company is looking at those for field techs and outside sales makes more sense that anything i*	[10:03]
kusuriya	like my buddys RT surface was able to get on my wireless network find my Xbox and after a few seconds of telling my xbox he is approved he was playing youtube videos from the surface on the xbox then at the same time i was able to from my windows machine tap the stream and watch it there is a group of people especially enterprises that are looking at adopting surface because of the fact it works soo well with the MSFT stack they already have	[10:03]
zod000	or so they can enforce gpo	[10:05]
kusuriya	^ then again i can enforce policy on your ipad if i link it to my exchange serve :) **server	[10:05]
zod000	not quite as much as you can with the w8 i imagine	[10:06]
kusuriya	actually pretty much yes :)	[10:07]
zod000	with android and ios it is pretty much just enforcing encrytion and passphrases	[10:07]
kusuriya	depending on what version of iphone/ipad it is android mostly ignores most of the EAS profiles so EAS control is useless	[10:07]
zod000	nah, it follows it in any of the more recent versions	[10:07]
kusuriya	worse android will lie to your exchange server and tell it that it supports * and has implemented it	[10:07]
zod000	don't blame that on android, that can only be done via replacing the mail app with a rogue one	[10:08]
kusuriya	for all of our high security customers like banks Android* is blocked from EAS	[10:08]
zod000	same can be done via jailbreaking an iphone	[10:08]
kusuriya	suprisingly not, you can tell it to not implement a profile	[10:08]
zod000	incorrect	[10:09]
kusuriya	and if i look at your device it will show me the implementation of the profile failed and that profile is not implemented android (you must be rooted) will report back to my exchange server that it implemented the profile even though it didnt	[10:09]
zod000	if you root and then modify/replace the Email.apk, then yes	[10:10]
kusuriya	you dont have to replace the email.apk there are apps to let you do it if you are rooted since its not that hard to do	[10:10]
zod000	you most certainly do, at least on 2.2 and 2.3 well, same difference, you are replacing the mail app	[10:10]
kusuriya	nope the app sits between email.apk and the EAS stuff since the exchange stuff is not built into email.apk its part of a different system object	[10:11]
zod000	oh, so it acts in the middle	[10:11]
kusuriya	yep	[10:11]
zod000	most of the exchange stuff is actually built into the email.apk but you can still attack it from in thye middle	[10:12]
kusuriya	but regardless the fact that it can so easily be done on android is why a lot of our finacial customers for their secured exchange disallow android	[10:12]
zod000	it is not much harder on ios, but let them do as they wish i could do it on winmo 6 as well	[10:13]
kusuriya	meh i dont make up their rules	[10:13]
zod000	was much more work though	[10:13]
kusuriya	actually on winmo6 you couldnt because it checksummed its EAS :P	[10:13]
zod000	i assure you i could, because i did	[10:13]
kusuriya	im willing to bet it didnt lie to the exchange server ;) and if i audited the profiles it would tell me what profiles you have disabled or "failed"	[10:14]
zod000	if you say so	[10:14]
kusuriya	when you did it zod000 did you ever audit your exchange profile from the servers view because i can tell when people stop profiles with their iOS device its pretty trivial	[10:15]
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kusuriya	then again if it was me and i designed theese peoples security EAS would be off all together for their secured systems because fuck your mobile device its to easily stolen and hacked	[10:16]
lwhalen	http://boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/LOLlinguist.jpeg	[10:18]
zod000	lwhalen: excellent	[10:18]
kusuriya	score kusuriya really does hate EAS	[10:18]
qbit	http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=x1hLREgL194	[10:21]
BryceBot	YouTube Comedy: "Harvard Sailing Team - Hipster Thanksgiving" by HSTSketchComedy (4m 59s), 390,212 views, 2,703 likes and 96 dislikes. Uploaded 2012-11-21T18:55:56.000Z.	[10:21]
qbit	qbit whispers essence of wildflower	[10:23]
piroko	lol I'm tethering on edge	[10:24]
brycec	I've done that before... was better than nothing at least Hell, I've tethered on GPRS	[10:25]
piroko	True. And ssh + compression really isn't even bad	[10:25]
benDos	piroko, no mosh? mosh was that latency tolerate screen + openssh mashup right?	[10:25]
kusuriya	benDos: oh you ported that to openbsd? :P	[10:26]
brycec	and a weak GPRS signal no less - I hung my RAZR (those things had freakishly slow UARTs to start with) on the door of the hotel room in order to get any signal, and BT tethered from there.	[10:26]
benDos	kusuriya, I go about my life under the assumption that if i have it in linux you have it in openbsd As i don't use openbsd	[10:26]
brycec	benDos: no screen, just latency-tolerant ssh	[10:26]
benDos	It hasn't really lead me to any issues brycec, i thought it had some other features that were screen-y	[10:26]
brycec	would you like to be led into some issues? we know of some ;)	[10:27]
kusuriya	it will for things like MOSH since no one has had the desire to port :P	[10:27]
benDos	We had a tangential discussion last night	[10:27]
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benDos	About qbit liking obsd cause nothing works and instead of being productive he's secure I like linux cause it's easymode :p	[10:27]
qbit	lol	[10:28]
kusuriya	meh i like good code	[10:28]
qbit	tangential	[10:28]
benDos	kusuriya, so you run netbsd?	[10:28]
kusuriya	too bad FBSD has issues with this system	[10:28]
benDos	:p	[10:29]
kusuriya	benDos: i said good code not architecture compatibility :P	[10:29]
benDos	qbit, what's wrong about tangential?	[10:29]
zod000	I like reactOS, because..umm..ok i don't	[10:29]
qbit	i like it	[10:29]
piroko	benDos: I ssh to devious Which doesn't have mosh	[10:29]
benDos	piroko, gotcha ..but pipes =D	[10:29]
piroko	Though now that my home connection is stable I can give it a try...	[10:29]
kusuriya	but SSH Compression once you get SSH set right is very latency tolerant	[10:29]
benDos	I like Solaris cause SPARC is sexy for certain workloads.	[10:29]
kusuriya	:)	[10:30]
benDos	I dislike Solaris cause udev,systemd,native kvm,and Larry Ellison.	[10:30]
lwhalen	http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/videos/crazy-lady-and-vacuum-cleaner-man/	[10:31]
benDos	I just got spam "Explosive Deals On Used Cars" harharhar	[10:31]
kusuriya	benDos: whats wrong with KVM :o	[10:31]
benDos	kusuriya, nothing But i like native kvm	[10:31]
kusuriya	then why do you dislake solaris for having it ;)	[10:31]
benDos	kvm attached to other operating systems varies greatly in quality For not having native kvm, udev, or systemd And having far too much Larry Ellison.	[10:31]
kyl	qbit: in that HST video, when they drink coffee that's how i imagine you do it brah	[10:32]
benDos	devfs just depresses me.	[10:32]
kusuriya	well yeah the ellison is the dealbreaker for me that and the wireless drivers they are missing for no good reason	[10:32]
benDos	And the lack of udev. Hah Fair enough	[10:32]
kusuriya	meh what they use instead of Udev does work better	[10:32]
benDos	Am i really the only one with such a strong preference for devfs than udev? er udev over devfs*	[10:32]
kusuriya	probly	[10:33]
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benDos	s/$/ in here	[10:33]
lazylopez_	probly in here	[10:33]
kusuriya	but solaris uses somthing a bit different	[10:33]
benDos	It's more or less an old bsd style devfs At least in solaris, um 10 or 9 I think 10 is what i've used mostly	[10:33]
qbit	haha kyl: i totally is	[10:33]
mcchunkie	I am a respectable lady! I will not take this lying down!	[10:33]
qbit	every cup	[10:33]
benDos	wut.	[10:33]
kyl	hah	[10:34]
kusuriya	latter 10 and 11 use somthing similar to devfs but it is vastly different when you dig into it	[10:34]
kyl	I KNEW IT	[10:34]
benDos	kusuriya, locally mounting usb on solaris thin clients is pretty painful	[10:34]
kusuriya	benDos: never has been for me	[10:34]
benDos	Instead of doing the normal "Hey you plugged in a usb stick i mounted it here for you"	[10:34]
kyl	qbit: put a turkey in your butt brah	[10:34]
mcchunkie	TWSS!	[10:34]
kusuriya	benDos: it always automounts for me	[10:34]
qbit	k	[10:34]
benDos	Well it does automount	[10:34]
kusuriya	but maybe thats because i know how to use it ;)	[10:34]
benDos	Just in a weird location	[10:34]
kusuriya	its right there in my desktop :P but solaris has a lot of shitty bits :(	[10:35]
benDos	It automounts, in my setup anyway, in like /opt/someshit/someothershit/$USER/tmpsomething/something/deviceid We also have a bunch of nfs partions that usually are machine local	[10:35]
kusuriya	if you want easy mode unix just install OSX :)	[10:36]
benDos	That's a weird way to abbreviate ubuntu.	[10:36]
kusuriya	Ubuntu technically is not unix its never been certified OS X is ^fact	[10:36]
lteo	OS X is a true BSD kyl: ^	[10:37]
benDos	.addtroll OS X is a true BSD	[10:37]
lazylopez_	OS X is a true BSD: was added	[10:37]
kusuriya	benDos: that is also a fact :P	[10:37]
benDos	I think the notion of a certified BSD has maaaybe lost some of it's meaning since 1987?	[10:37]
lteo	kusuriya: ask kyl what he thinks of OS X as a true BSD ;)	[10:38]
benDos	Vocally or sarcastically strongly opposed or fore If i had to guess	[10:38]
kusuriya	benDos: actually OS X has a true certifcation from the UNIX group, no linux distro or BSD distro having it is the reason its all *nix and not Unix ;) BSD for legal reasons cant call its self unix because of a lawsuit	[10:38]
kyl	lteo: bro you mean The One True BSD?	[10:39]
benDos	The UNIX group?	[10:39]
kusuriya	benDos: yep	[10:39]
lteo	kusuriya: btw about what you said the other day, is it true apple geniuses are even aware of OS X's BSD stuff?	[10:39]
kyl	http://www.unix.org/	[10:39]
benDos	I know of the unix group	[10:39]
kusuriya	lteo: some are	[10:39]
benDos	I was just unaware that anyone cared what they said	[10:39]
kusuriya	benDos: the unix group holds the copyrights to unix	[10:40]
kyl	well, technically to call yourself unix you have to pass their certifications	[10:40]
benDos	Post SCO?	[10:40]
kusuriya	and if you use unix with out their permission they will sue your ass off	[10:40]
lteo	suenix	[10:40]
kusuriya	benDos: even post SCO they own the copyright to the name	[10:40]
benDos	Right My point is "unix certified" used to really mean something	[10:40]
CyL	Evening folks. What is usually the lunch break in US?	[10:40]
benDos	Now, at least in my work/dev/etc community it's more a joke than anything else	[10:41]
kyl	now linux, based on popularity, is hijacking that	[10:41]
kusuriya	even if you dont think it means mich now it still means a lot to enterprise and you still cant call yourself unix without it	[10:41]
kyl	they just whatever dumb shit they want (systemd, pulse, etc)	[10:41]
lteo	CyL: all the time since everyone's goofing off all the time	[10:41]
kyl	and it gets called unix pretty much	[10:41]
benDos	kyl, you don't like systemd? :/	[10:41]
kusuriya	im meh on systemd	[10:41]
kyl	i do not	[10:41]
benDos	kyl, how come? I really enjoy it Despite it not really being unix's in that is' pretty monolithic And maybe joining repos with udev was premature s/premature/premature/unnessesary	[10:41]
lazylopez_	And maybe joining repos with udev was premature	[10:42]
benDos	Thanks lazylopez_ you're the best.	[10:42]
kyl	the basic unix philosophy is do one thing and do it well	[10:42]
CyL	lteo: I mean, I tried to call someone in US, in Massachusetts, and I know it is a quarter to 2 pm right know. Would people normally be at a lunch break in USA this time?	[10:42]
kyl	it's not as easy to hack on	[10:42]
benDos	kyl, i get that I really do	[10:42]
kyl	it's way too monolythic	[10:42]
kusuriya	its a bit of a mess honestly	[10:42]
kyl	the fuck monolithic	[10:42]
benDos	In practice the nicities outweigh it being so big and do everything-y	[10:43]
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benDos	Logging is just so much nicer socket activation again, so much nicer systemd > init.d much nicer Individually anyway	[10:43]
kusuriya	like a lot of stuff linux the code and the function is kinda sloppy and seems to have a philosphy of "we will fix it in version 2"	[10:43]
lteo	CyL: it really depends, some people take lunch break earlier and some later	[10:44]
kusuriya	that thought process is what bit microsoft in the security ass for many years	[10:44]
kyl	i think it's an answer in search of a problem	[10:44]
kusuriya	^	[10:44]
CyL	lteo: Sure, but I mean the usual break.	[10:44]
brycec	^^^	[10:44]
kyl	adds complexity and overhead to a problem we've already solved	[10:44]
benDos	To me it simplified a lot of things And makes existing things faster and easier to use	[10:44]
kyl	quit wasting time on shit like that and work on doing more useful things	[10:44]
kusuriya	like what init.d was pretty simple	[10:44]
lteo	amen brotha	[10:44]
brycec	CyL: I would say that there isn't a "usual" break, besides maybe 12pm-1pm	[10:44]
benDos	the systemd journal, at least sounds, like the correct way to do logging	[10:45]
CyL	brycec: Okay, thanks.	[10:45]
kyl	now, you've just increased the work load	[10:45]
zod000	CyL: I took lunch at 10am, so ymmv	[10:45]
benDos	init to systemd better lets you express deps imo in processes	[10:45]
kyl	a bunch of people now have to figure out how the fuck to integrate systemd if they want to jump on board, or face getting shut out	[10:45]
benDos	plus async ftw	[10:45]
kusuriya	thats not really any simpler or better than the dmesg/syslog output	[10:45]
brycec	CyL: but that break applies to <50% of the working population. Lots of people take [lunch] breaks at different times	[10:45]
benDos	kusuriya, it really really is Strings suck	[10:45]
kusuriya	benDos: init.d could start async	[10:45]
kyl	devs that could be doing something actually productive with their lives now have to spend time on this	[10:45]
benDos	kyl, integrating with systemd is trivial	[10:45]
kyl	it increases the barrier to entry	[10:45]
benDos	you know this you can give it an init script and get a systemd script back	[10:45]
kusuriya	benDos: it really isnt because systemd is still spitting strings out	[10:46]
kyl	not if your system is built around rc.d	[10:46]
CyL	zod000, brycec, lteo: It is just that I got an answering machine, so I thought that was calling at a bad time.	[10:46]
benDos	kusuriya, no it compresses and dedups the on disk format is objectively far far better	[10:46]
kusuriya	benDos: it compresses and dedupes strings	[10:46]
benDos	for the systemd journal than dmesg	[10:46]
brycec	CyL: It seems more likely they didn't hear it, were busy, or didn't want to answer	[10:46]
zod000	CyL: some people just don't answer their phones or are in meetings and can't answer	[10:46]
lteo	or pooping	[10:46]
benDos	And index I believe	[10:46]
kusuriya	which various systemloggers were able to do	[10:46]
zod000	or getting coffee, or whatever other bs	[10:47]
benDos	kusuriya, right few to none were default	[10:47]
brycec	brycec <3 circular logs	[10:47]
benDos	Heh	[10:47]
CyL	BTW, would anyone recommend a good RFID module manufacturer company?	[10:47]
kusuriya	again that doesnt make systemd any simpler	[10:47]
benDos	I <3 any in disk format that is indexable	[10:47]
brycec	CyL: module being...?	[10:47]
kusuriya	that actually makes it more complex	[10:47]
benDos	simpler to do interesting things with	[10:47]
kyl	also	[10:47]
brycec	rfid reader, or card?	[10:47]
benDos	more complex in implementation	[10:47]
CyL	brycec: The transceptor that would interface to a computer.	[10:47]
kyl	lennart poettering is involved	[10:47]
benDos	Well yeah	[10:48]
kusuriya	and more complex in use	[10:48]
benDos	But people are auditing his code kyl :p kusuriya, i haven't found that to be true different, but not more complex	[10:48]
kusuriya	because now if i want to centralize it i have another piece of software to deal with	[10:48]
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kusuriya	instead of having it all pumped into my system logger which i already have setup to export logs	[10:48]
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benDos	I believe you can just tell systemd which logs go where local files or remote transport	[10:48]
kyl	anyways, those are my feelings you are free to choose what you want for your distro but i won't be supporting anything using systemd	[10:48]
kusuriya	its still another piece of software you now have to configure :P	[10:49]
benDos	Fine.	[10:49]
kusuriya	kyl: sooner or later with how things go you may not have a choice sadly	[10:49]
lteo	let's merge systemd and autotools	[10:49]
kyl	kusuriya: or i stop using linux	[10:49]
benDos	We can agree that systemd will not bring about the year of the linux desktop	[10:49]
kyl	make linux go the way of windows in my life	[10:50]
kusuriya	kyl: most BSDs are looking at having to port and use things like udev and systemd due to applications pulling in more and more linuxisms	[10:50]
benDos	and the AF_BUS in kernel is lovely	[10:50]
kusuriya	but systemd is like pulseaudio	[10:50]
benDos	http://lwn.net/Articles/504722/ short description if you're curious	[10:50]
kusuriya	a solution in search for a problem	[10:50]
benDos	kyl, will you refuse to use AF_BUS? In favor or muuuuuuch more expensive 0mq or similar? s/or/of/	[10:51]
lazylopez_	In favof of muuuuuuch mofe expensive 0mq of similar?	[10:51]
benDos	damn typod.	[10:51]
kyl	I don't know enough about AF_BUS to comment	[10:51]
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kyl	0mq is awesome	[10:51]
brycec	^	[10:51]
qbit	guys gusy NODE	[10:52]
brycec	and multiplatform, and network-friendly, and and and	[10:52]
kyl	qbit: bro ZMOG RLY	[10:52]
qbit	qbit dusts off his hands and walks away	[10:52]
benDos	AF_BUS is AF_UNIX + reliable multicast more or less	[10:52]
lteo	qbit: node > *?	[10:52]
kyl	we should just write an os in node for performance	[10:52]
benDos	For proximity to metal.	[10:52]
brycec	for baremetal performance	[10:52]
kusuriya	benDos: AF_BUS looks more like its AF_UNIX with dbus and multicast roled into it	[10:52]
benDos	Beat ya to it brycec ! kusuriya, dbus in AF_BUS?	[10:52]
brycec	by 1 second... I shouldn't have paused to consider adding emphasis to _baremetal_	[10:53]
kusuriya	so i dont know if its anybetter or worse	[10:53]
lteo	some just said roll. did they mean spring roll? i'm here now	[10:53]
kusuriya	benDos: according to what you linked thats one of its goals	[10:53]
kyl	mmm spring rolls	[10:53]
brycec	ohai lt	[10:53]
benDos	Well yeah	[10:53]
BryceBot	That's what she said!!	[10:53]
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qbit	awyeah	[10:53]
benDos	But it isn't integrated with af_bus	[10:53]
kusuriya	replace dbus due to resorce starvation	[10:53]
benDos	that's it's main target	[10:53]
kyl	wait did qbit say node?	[10:53]
lteo	brycec: <3	[10:53]
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kyl	WHAT	[10:53]
brycec	lol, she said "Well yeah"	[10:53]
benDos	but dbus's message passing is not very different from most other message passing lots of pubsub and you'd like reliable multicast	[10:53]
lteo	i'm glad i have regained my +virginity even after offending a #devious god	[10:54]
kusuriya	im not sure why an IPC would need multicast honestly its an IPC	[10:54]
benDos	You can implement exchangers without unix sockets kusuriya, my irc bot does multicast ipc	[10:54]
brycec	lteo: I got tired of seeing a space before your nick. You're still on ice.	[10:54]
lteo	lol	[10:54]
benDos	kusuriya, each message gets pushed out on a multicast socket	[10:54]
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benDos	all the plugins see the messages and respond accordingly	[10:55]
kyl	i use 0mq pubsub in my bot as well	[10:55]
benDos	Yeah pubsub is really quiet common Having it in kernel with badass af_unix underlying support makes it about as fast as you can hope for it to be	[10:55]
lteo	kyl: talking bout speed, did i read it right in your benchmarking post that ruby is faster than pythong? ;)	[10:56]
benDos	lol	[10:56]
brycec	I seem to recall the very opposite	[10:56]
kyl	i don't remember the numbers offhand, is definitely possible	[10:56]
benDos	I would imagine it depends on the workload and language implementation	[10:56]
kyl	and highly likely	[10:56]
kusuriya	benDos: that still doesnt awnser why id want it :P	[10:57]
benDos	pubsub?	[10:57]
kusuriya	multicast IPC	[10:57]
benDos	Right, pubsub.	[10:57]
kyl	^	[10:57]
benDos	@wiki Publish-Subscribe Design Pattern	[10:58]
BryceBot	Messaging pattern :: In software architecture, a messaging pattern is a network-oriented architectural pattern which describes how two different parts of a message passing system connect and communicate with each other. In telecommunications, a message exchange pattern (MEP) describes the pattern of messages required by a communications protocol to establish or use a communication... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messaging%20pattern	[10:58]
benDos	Um	[10:58]
kyl	very very useful	[10:58]
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brycec	benDos: um yourself -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=Publish-Subscribe+Design+Pattern	[10:58]
BryceBot	Publish–subscribe pattern :: In software architecture, publish–subscribe is a messaging pattern where senders of messages, called publishers, do not program the messages to be sent directly to specific receivers, called subscribers. Instead, published messages are characterized into classes, without knowledge of what, if any, subscribers there may be. Similarly, subscribers express interest in one or more classes, and only receive messages that	[10:58]
kyl	haha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOtzvi4tiig	[10:59]
BryceBot	YouTube Comedy: "Harvard Sailing Team - Puppy Pictures!!!" by HSTSketchComedy (3m 31s), 309,649 views, 1,483 likes and 49 dislikes. Uploaded 2011-08-02T15:28:35.000Z.	[10:59]
kyl	now i'm caught watching HST	[10:59]
benDos	kusuriya, "Hey every active program that cares, there's a usb stick now at /dev/whatever" etc	[10:59]
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benDos	"Hey every program that cares, the network interface just went down/up" etc	[11:00]
kusuriya	benDos: meh i just havent delt a lot with IPC honestly directly anyway	[11:00]
benDos	I've done a fair bit, on unix sockets and with network protocols	[11:00]
kyl	i have used it quite a bit	[11:00]
benDos	it?	[11:00]
BryceBot	That's what she said!!	[11:00]
benDos	BryceBot, no	[11:00]
BryceBot	Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'it?'	[11:00]
kusuriya	last time i even started looking into it i was thinking of playing wiht HURD and it made my head hurt	[11:01]
BryceBot	That's what she said!!	[11:01]
benDos	The kernel based IPC has several benefits for D-Bus over the userspace emulation: - Context switching between userspace processes is reduced. - Message data copying is reduced. - System call overheads are reduced. - The userspace D-Bus daemon was subject to resource starvation, client contention and priority inversion. - Latency is reduced - Throughput is increased. Sorry for flood :/	[11:01]
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benDos	I said sorry :/	[11:01]
qbit	ha that's what put you over the edge!	[11:01]
benDos	benDos checks his +v Ok	[11:01]
qbit	phew	[11:01]
brycec	no no, it was the same time as I hit enter besides, I didn't know how many more lines would flood	[11:01]
lteo	at least you didn't lose your +virginity, benDos	[11:01]
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kusuriya	:D	[11:02]
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benDos	:p	[11:02]
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benDos	Hay.	[11:02]
brycec	ha	[11:02]
benDos	Not cool mang.	[11:02]
lteo	yeah it's not cool to hang out with lteo. i get that	[11:02]
brycec	"not cool" would be if I removed +V from you :P	[11:02]
kusuriya	but yeah I wont argue the merits for AF_BUS i dont know enough about the topic :D	[11:03]
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lteo	_^: hi Guest38271	[11:03]
brycec	damnit _^ get a real nick	[11:03]
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benDos	kusuriya, fair enough	[11:03]
kyl	oh hai piro^wGuest234234	[11:03]
piroko	You guys suck	[11:03]
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benDos	kusuriya, but those are the kind of use cases that dbus makes way easier	[11:03]
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benDos	Without that kind of centralized setup	[11:03]
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^_^	:D	[11:03]
benDos	It just sucks to standardize that kind of thing	[11:03]
kyl	i don't even know what kind of facial expression _^_ would be	[11:03]
kusuriya	.\|.. :D	[11:03]
piroko	haha ok, benDos I love you mosh Is amazing	[11:03]
benDos	Heh :p Kew	[11:04]
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benDos	Thanks btw	[11:04]
kusuriya	yeah i like the idea behind mosh	[11:04]
qbit	i have never used it	[11:04]
kusuriya	i just wish it wasnt GPL3	[11:04]
benDos	Neither have it qbit :p	[11:04]
piroko	I totally just disabled an entire interface, enabled another interface, and it reconnected	[11:04]
benDos	have I	[11:04]
piroko	I mean it makes sense since it's udp But still. Fucking mindblown	[11:04]
kusuriya	makes me never want to hack on it honestly	[11:04]
piroko	kusuriya: How about dishonestly?	[11:04]
benDos	kusuriya, at what point is linux not unix I mean it ships a ton of non-kernel things in tree	[11:04]
kyl	yesss another launch coin is coming	[11:05]
BryceBot	That's what she said!!	[11:05]
kusuriya	benDos: at the point its not certified to call itself UNIX ;)	[11:05]
lteo	linux was a unix clone from the start	[11:05]
benDos	It's largely arbitrary imo and for systemd the things that become easier out weight the potential for more complicated code bases	[11:05]
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kusuriya	but seriously its getting further and further away from unix like	[11:05]
benDos	That's a good thing	[11:05]
kusuriya	systemD honestly provides no real benifit that wasnt already there	[11:06]
kyl	mosh has had a couple of vulns	[11:06]
benDos	I just told you the benefits kusuriya :/	[11:06]
kusuriya	you did	[11:06]
kyl	and some of the way it does things don't strike me as being suitably secure	[11:06]
kusuriya	and all those things were already there	[11:06]
benDos	For applications and users, integration between programs gets easier It standardizes a lot of ad hoc solutions	[11:06]
kusuriya	there was already a pretty basic standard there	[11:07]
benDos	was there? I thought there were a few And programs had to deal with a bunch of locations to check for things	[11:07]
kusuriya	accessing the systemlog was pretty standard and pretty easy to access	[11:07]
benDos	But slightly different log formats between various programs Also may have required root May have disclosed non-related things	[11:08]
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benDos	It's a software engineering win, and a unix philosophical lose	[11:08]
kusuriya	requireing elevated perms to read system logs doesnt strike me as a problem meh call it what you want	[11:08]
benDos	I feel like i'm not going to convince you. Oh well	[11:09]
kusuriya	nope	[11:09]
benDos	I never convince anyone of anything in here...	[11:09]
kusuriya	because again its a solution looking for a problem	[11:09]
benDos	Baaaah benDos drops it	[11:09]
kusuriya	had there been an actual problem to solve ;)	[11:09]
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kyl	for example, pulse audio was a good example of a problem being solved we need more of that right lteo?	[11:09]
lteo	wait whut	[11:10]
kyl	it's too bad openbsd hasn't gotten its ass in gear and added support	[11:10]
benDos	lteo, pulseaudio	[11:10]
qbit	haha	[11:10]
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lteo	lteo keeps quiet ;)	[11:11]
kyl	lteo: it's the best audio subsystem ever isn't it? brah are you saying it's not!?	[11:11]
kusuriya	benDos: you have me sort of convinced about AF_BUS as a consoleation prize	[11:12]
qbit	one way to tell if a subsystem is good or not.. is if it has a beard	[11:12]
kusuriya	^	[11:12]
qbit	no beard.. no good	[11:12]
lteo	frankly i don't know anything about audio on *nix	[11:13]
qbit	wish there was someone named "frankly" in the chan	[11:14]
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lteo	i wonder if rubinius will make ruby less painful	[11:19]
kyl	what is rubinius? how is ruby painful?	[11:19]
benDos	lteo, the onyl way to make ruby better is jruby I'm sorry kyl, rubinus is like pypy self hosted ruby	[11:19]
kusuriya	the only way to make ruby better is to uninstall it	[11:20]
benDos	kusuriya, i'll convince you about systemd for now i'm doing maths though	[11:20]
lteo	kyl: from website "Rubinius is software that translates the code for the Ruby programming language such as"	[11:20]
zod000	kusuriya: that made ruby 100% better for me	[11:20]
benDos	jruby on openjdk 7	[11:20]
lteo	puts "hello world"	[11:20]
kusuriya	benDos: the only way you could is if you could find an actual problem systemd solved	[11:20]
lteo	and turns it into efficient machine code like this push %rbp; mov %rsp, %rbp; push %rbx; subq $0x98, %rsp; cmp $0x0, 0x10(%rcx); call 0xffffffffff472010; jmp 0x9c; …	[11:20]
qbit	ha	[11:20]
benDos	lteo, that asm doesn't seem terrible? Though annotated asm is way easier to read, cause i have no idea what is at 0xffffffffff472010;	[11:21]
lteo	i dunno brah, last i wrote asm was 17 years ago	[11:21]
benDos	Fuck i mean i'm quietly doing math and not on irc.. objdump == <3 though	[11:21]
brycec	lteo is a slacker!	[11:22]
lteo	meh, rubinius just became unusable for me. ruby 1.9 not supported brycec: that's unfortunately true right now in terms of OSS contribution ;)	[11:22]
benDos	jruby supports 1.9....	[11:23]
kusuriya	:( i need a new programming laptop	[11:23]
lteo	i have a problem with the 'j' ;)	[11:23]
kusuriya	i have a problem with the ruby part so its rounded :D	[11:23]
benDos	lteo, i can't think of a good reason why you'd be fine with ruby but not java Not that there aren't good reasons to dislike java	[11:24]
kusuriya	benDos: Hipser	[11:24]
qbit	inf problems?	[11:24]
benDos	ruby has most if not all of those traits though	[11:24]
lazylopez_	Ruby syntax looks like someone pulled off all the symbols from their keyboard, inserted them into a shotgun and shot them into a $20 hooker that had been dead for 3 days..	[11:24]
qbit	might not be possible to roll out java to everything?	[11:24]
benDos	...but you only write java once	[11:24]
kusuriya	not as hipster as qbit	[11:24]
benDos	then run it everywhere	[11:24]
qbit	or doing so would require drastic changes to everything?	[11:24]
kusuriya	kusuriya clones qbit's node repo	[11:25]
benDos	You can't clone a clone der They tried that with Dolly All the dna just broke 'n shit	[11:25]
kusuriya	multiplicity told me you can clone a clone	[11:25]
lteo	so you _can_ clone a clone, just that the dna breaks	[11:25]
kusuriya	and hollywood has never lied to be before **me before	[11:25]
benDos	lteo, but you need the dna for the clone to really be a clone otherwise it's just a bunch of spaghetti code	[11:26]
lteo	benDos: just a few details doesn't matter	[11:26]
benDos	Fine What if i did your ruby and you did my calculus that seems fair.	[11:26]
kusuriya	benDos: ill do your calculus but you have to do my engineering department application	[11:27]
lteo	you sure you want me to do your calculus? i thought you wanted to graduate ;)	[11:27]
benDos	lteo, i reallllly want to graduate	[11:27]
kyl	whatever, lteo is a doctor... OF SCIENCE he can make it happen	[11:27]
benDos	Yeah lteo i figured you must be good at calculus	[11:27]
lteo	lol	[11:27]
benDos	I thought you did a lot of crypto stuffs	[11:27]
kyl	lteo is a science hero	[11:27]
qbit	lordy i can't type "make" comes out mkae every time	[11:28]
benDos	Or not math-y crypto stuff?	[11:28]
lteo	benDos: no brah that was one of my professors. i only did the typesetting for one of the crypto conference proceedings	[11:28]
benDos	Oh Ok	[11:29]
lteo	i did give a few lectures on crypto though but i've forgotten most of it	[11:29]
benDos	Fine don't do my calculus then you could have just said that No need for a long backstory	[11:29]
mcchunkie	That's what c0sh said!	[11:29]
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benDos	Idk that came off as facetious I'm just cranky today Sorry	[11:31]
lteo	no worries brah	[11:32]
kusuriya	:P benDos: stop stressing you get to do funstuff :)	[11:34]
benDos	What do you mean? I've been cocking back and swinging my face with great force into the brick wall of calc 2 for too damn long	[11:35]
lteo	you're almost done never give up! never surrender!	[11:36]
qbit	:D	[11:36]
lteo	thanks to qbit for saying that to me back then	[11:36]
kyl	haha	[11:36]
qbit	thank the super nintendo for saying it to me!	[11:36]
benDos	And after all this i'll have a lonely Bachelors of Art degree	[11:36]
kyl	wew swapping four and a half gigs	[11:39]
kusuriya	lol batchelor of arts	[11:39]
qbit	http://opensourceecology.org/	[11:39]
kusuriya	Science > Art qbit: ive been following that since they started	[11:39]
benDos	shutup.. I know but that's the degree i'm getting	[11:40]
lteo	at least your degree isn't BS ;)	[11:40]
kusuriya	dont know its a BA most BAs are BS :D	[11:40]
benDos	Tbh it seems to not matter tbh	[11:41]
lteo	it really doesn't	[11:41]
kusuriya	i actually want a BSE but i need to find the time	[11:41]
benDos	I have a degree in comp sci and if someone talks to me for more than a minute they'll know i'm better than most master's they'll speak to	[11:41]
lteo	funny, because in other countries there are so many Bachelor of (whatever)	[11:41]
benDos	In Futurama there's Bachelor Chow	[11:42]
kusuriya	yeah	[11:42]
benDos	But i don't think that's what you're talking about gaiz	[11:42]
lteo	my bachelor's degree is Bachelor of Computing ;)	[11:42]
benDos	i'm going back to werk whoosh	[11:42]
BryceBot	Bye benDos!	[11:42]
kusuriya	halo thar guize	[11:42]
lteo	aw $ ruby poop ruby: No such file or directory -- poop (LoadError) oh i misspelled it as pooop	[11:43]
qbit	lol	[11:44]
ribo	lol	[11:44]
benDos	Lol so my class uses math terms not found anywhere else online	[11:44]
kusuriya	lawlz	[11:44]
ribo	hate it when my poop has a load error	[11:44]
benDos	but from out textbook super cool	[11:44]
lteo	that was fast	[11:44]
ribo	I drank a lot of coffee today though so my poop should load doublequick	[11:44]
lteo	i don't care what y'all say, but ruby's Array.delete_if is kinda awesome	[11:45]
ribo	it's ok, I love ruby too	[11:45]
lteo	ribo: any opinion on rubinius?	[11:45]
kyl	ahem the 'thong's generator expressions though i am caring less and less about python erraday	[11:45]
qbit	lamb duh	[11:46]
kusuriya	hmm wonder how hard it would be to make an email/calendar notifier using AF_BUS	[11:46]
ribo	lteo: I'll care more when its 1.9 compat	[11:46]
lteo	will you care less and less about Go someday? ;) ribo: same	[11:46]
kyl	lteo: bro possibly i'm open to that i mean, i was all about python until Go came along a Go-killer is feasible	[11:46]
kusuriya	but ruby is not that	[11:47]
ribo	python people have serious ruby envy	[11:47]
kyl	i didn't i don't like ruby because i've used it	[11:47]
ribo	they even try to make fun of ruby in comments, hurr hipsters use ruby & wear tight jeans etc.	[11:48]
kyl	heh	[11:48]
lteo	oops i do wear tight jeans	[11:48]
kusuriya	meh C# > ruby is all i can say	[11:48]
ribo	lol	[11:48]
kyl	they're just jealous because ruby devs are all about ascii dongs and no one points that out	[11:48]
kusuriya	when ruby has an entire OS programmed out of it ill consider chaning my position	[11:48]
kyl	the only thing i use python for anymore is ipython-type tasks stuff in a repl	[11:48]
kusuriya	man fuck you linux mint all i want is monodevelop	[11:52]
mcchunkie	aw, where's the pun in that?	[11:52]
lteo	whoa an actual linux mint user found in the wild	[11:52]
ribo	an actual mono user in the wild, too pretending that C# is relevant :D	[11:53]
piroko	fucking. mosh. holyshitthisiscool I keep switching from ethernet to wifi just to watch it reconnect. lol	[11:54]
ribo	lol	[11:55]
benDos	This fucking guy	[11:59]
qbit	http://i.imgur.com/X4hbx.jpg	[11:59]
benDos	benDos hates calc2 so hard	[11:59]
JainAmber	Hullo	[11:59]
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JainAmber	I just had this conversation with my friend: Friend: All I wish is that there were more hours everyday! ...... Me: As long as elon musk is alive, I think someday we might have days longer than 24 hours! :D ;)	[11:59]
lteo	i like that delayed ;) effect	[12:01]
JainAmber	:D <-- This one also belongs to previous conversation! (sorry for the delay) :P <--- My reply to lteo's comment!	[12:02]
piroko	qbit: Fuck you	[12:04]
qbit	wat	[12:04]
piroko	qbit: You made me laugh out loud at work Now people know	[12:04]
qbit	lol o/	[12:04]
piroko	I am now going to disconnect my laptop from ethernet, walk my computer over to a friend to show him this image, and then come back and watch mosh reconnect	[12:05]
lteo	aw, piroko exits qbit's friend zone and now piroko is giggling at qbit's jokes over the intarwebs. young love..	[12:05]
benDos	d'awee	[12:05]
qbit	:D	[12:05]
benDos	Woo Submitting this exam	[12:07]
lteo	yay!	[12:07]
benDos	Which i am near 100% certain i failed hooray	[12:07]
qbit	higgidy	[12:10]
benDos	Few things frustrate me more than failing math tests cause they disallow the tools I use to do math	[12:10]
qbit	that is totally not math	[12:11]
dbtid	matlab is not allowed on your tests?	[12:11]
benDos	What?	[12:11]
dbtid	sheesh! bastards.	[12:11]
brycec	This made me literally laugh out loud 13:04:50 <+piroko> qbit: You made me laugh out loud at work	[12:16]
lteo	it made you llol?	[12:17]
piroko	lteo: The huehuahua thing? Yes I'm currently watching the mosh techincal youtube video. It's really interesting	[12:18]
lteo	piroko: i was referring to brycec's "literally laugh out loud" as "llol" anything techincal must be interesting output from my poop script $ ruby poop yo ^ that indicates success, yay!	[12:18]
brycec	What if it had output nosotros?	[12:21]
qbit	yo poop!	[12:21]
lteo	does anyone happen to know what protocol java in a browser uses to check if a signed applet is ok?	[12:22]
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benDos	lteo, network protocol or the actual signing?	[12:23]
lteo	netowrk protocl network protocol	[12:23]
brycec	TCP + SSL cert classes?	[12:23]
benDos	I believe it checks the cert locally	[12:23]
lteo	ah ok	[12:23]
benDos	I'm not 100% for applets but for java security managers in general they do local checks	[12:23]
lteo	ok thanks. it kinda makes sense if they already have local CA certs and stuff	[12:24]
piroko	lteo: oh	[12:25]
benDos	I actually thought it relied on the system's crypto perhaps not though	[12:25]
piroko	fuck me. This was one of the best technical presentations I've ever seen	[12:25]
benDos	I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't use your systems trusted ca's	[12:25]
piroko	http://mosh.mit.edu/#techinfo This guy is a baller	[12:25]
lteo	a ballmer?	[12:27]
benDos	@chairflip ... mcchunkie	[12:28]
brycec	no	[12:28]
piroko	har har har	[12:28]
benDos	I assume some of you have suggestions for being more productive when living with a significant other? I've found i get much less work done since my gf moved in Instead of spending my nights coding cause i don't have something better to do, i do stuff with her	[12:30]
piroko	benDos: There is no suggestion. Enjoy your time with her :)	[12:30]
benDos	I do But i think at the expense of my classwork	[12:30]
piroko	Tell her you have to get yo shit done	[12:31]
benDos	..oohkay Maybe i just need to drop off irc till after the semester's over We'll see	[12:31]
piroko	I liked to go to panera with my (now) wife. She would read reddit or a book or something while I did my homework with my headphones on	[12:32]
benDos	Hmm	[12:32]
piroko	Or when she was in college she would do work too. lol	[12:32]
brycec	Yeah I have the same problem benDos	[12:32]
benDos	Yeah my gf just finished school and i'm not done yet	[12:32]
brycec	though we find time to do our own thing too	[12:32]
benDos	i really just need to better manage time for busywork i have to pay to do (most of my coursework)	[12:32]
piroko	That's really the key	[12:33]
benDos	I have to write a paper on whether video games are art, and cite it and shit like that just rubs me the wrong way Why it matters is perhaps a more interesting question	[12:33]
piroko	why college matters is a question in itself Also why is it so fucking expensive in the US	[12:33]
benDos	But "Are Video Games Art?" is not interesting or inciteful	[12:34]
piroko	true	[12:34]
benDos	Tbh engineering degrees have a purpose imo But my cs track also requires i take a bunch of math, the math dept is small so all the upper division math is taught for people who are becoming math teachers I wish they required more math from cs tbh Just not taught in a way that expects us to be teaching it to someone else on a blackboard It's fucking annoying and i don't think i'll be able to get over it	[12:34]
piroko	OK edge tethering + mosh is awesome. I can totally tether to my hearts content, not worry about going over on my data plan, and ssh is still usable And it makes me feel hipster for using ancient cell technologies	[12:41]
benDos	If you really wanted to feel hipster, you'd master dc	[12:44]
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benDos	qbit, might not even be hipster enough to use dc on a regular basis	[12:45]
piroko	dc? The calc app?	[12:45]
benDos	Yup rpn yo	[12:45]
piroko	dude fuck that I have an hp48g and an hp32 sitting on my desk right fucking now	[12:46]
qbit	pish my calculator uses DC	[12:46]
benDos	...dc is arbitrary precision	[12:46]
qbit	the one true current	[12:46]
benDos	aren't those fixed point piroko?	[12:46]
piroko	benDos: Yes	[12:46]
benDos	So there When you need to be accurate to 116 decimal places dc is the app you want	[12:46]
piroko	I'll no longer be a programmer :P	[12:47]
benDos	s/p/b	[12:48]
lazylopez_	I'll no longer be a brogrammer :P	[12:48]
benDos	Idk	[12:48]
qbit	holy mercury water!	[12:49]
benDos	So google translate doesn't speak persian.. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2240160/Irans-navy-showcases-bright-new-warship---damage-wont-coming.html I was curious if the persian word for turquoise was any manlier http://translate.google.com/#auto/fa/turquoise does not help.	[12:51]
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lteo	maybe the iranian elite forces wear turquoise uniforms	[13:11]
benDos	I hope so I'd lol something fierce	[13:12]
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lteo	benDos: just noticed your rant above. i feel for you bro, the university system is totally broken	[13:29]
kyl	kusuriya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhn3rTnpk0g	[13:31]
BryceBot	YouTube News: "Alex Jones money MONKEY BOMB (DANCE LIKE A PRIMATE)" by PRISONFORYOURMIND1 (2m 57s), 830 views, 19 likes and 4 dislikes. Uploaded 2011-03-04T21:16:51.000Z.	[13:31]
qbit	wat	[13:31]
kyl	kusuriya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct21YCEiWMM	[13:32]
BryceBot	YouTube News: "Alex Jones Goes Ape" by vilemonkey (52s), 25,262 views, 165 likes and 46 dislikes. Uploaded 2010-04-08T01:26:30.000Z.	[13:32]
qbit	wtf	[13:33]
kyl	or, kusuriya, how about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIjA0qnU_hc	[13:34]
BryceBot	YouTube Entertainment: "Alex Jones's Impression of a Obama supporter (((BEST MOMENT)))" by meegowl (4m 58s), 26,255 views. Uploaded 2009-05-12T14:07:41.000Z.	[13:34]
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ribo	what is this garbage I'm looking at	[13:42]
kyl	i dunno, what garbage are you looking at?	[13:43]
ribo	OH BAWWWWMAAA guy is a tool lol	[13:45]
kyl	hmm? oh the alex jones videos	[13:45]
ribo	this stuff you just posted lol	[13:45]
kyl	i'm guessing you don't know who he is	[13:45]
ribo	I don't	[13:45]
kyl	the reason i said " kusuriya: " was because no one else here knows who he is dude is hilarious	[13:46]
piroko	It's really fun fucking around with mosh's predictive echo engine Making it delete my prompt and shit	[13:51]
brycec	oh I know who Alex Jones is... and that's why I didn't waste my time clicking :p	[13:55]
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piroko	I'm gonna leave my mosh session up and sleep my laptop and take my laptop home and see what happens tomorrow when I open it back up at work	[14:02]
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qbit	quick -- someone hack piroko's bidness and disconnect him!	[14:48]
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kyl	yer a quick	[15:23]
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piroko	Opened up laptop after I got home. ssh still connected Fuck yea	[15:51]
sharvey	aw man jelly	[15:51]
kyl	jelly you say does that mean it's peanut butter and jelly time?	[15:52]
sharvey	jealous	[15:52]
kyl	pfft that's not as much fun as pbj time	[15:53]
piroko	sharvey: Why are you jelly? Install mosh!	[15:55]
benDos	piroko, can you run SOCKS over mosh? I suppose i could just google that.... neat seems so	[15:57]
qbit	can you vpn over it? :O	[16:06]
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benDos	"Letting the Internet be rewired by bureaucrats would be like handing a Stradivarius to a gorilla." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324352004578136902821852508.html win the quote anyway	[17:30]
brycec	mmmm... I just averaged 300MB/s write speed to rotating media	[17:31]
benDos	How big of a write?	[17:31]
brycec	bs=128M	[17:31]
benDos	I mean overall	[17:31]
Lefty	how many rotating media?	[17:31]
brycec	benDos: about 40G Lefty: 4 drives :P and read was 465MB/s	[17:32]
benDos	Oh across 4 drives yeah that sounds pretty solid RAID0?	[17:32]
brycec	ZFS zpool	[17:32]
benDos	Hah yeah raidz=<3	[17:33]
brycec	not raidz just a zpool	[17:33]
benDos	Isn't that the same thing? I don't do much zfs	[17:33]
brycec	no, raidz is raidz	[17:33]
benDos	I can tell you in detail about the internal caching algorithms it uses for pages but i don't remember the userspace stuff :x	[17:33]
brycec	it's only raidz if you set it up as raidz (zpool create $name raidz blah blah blah)	[17:33]
benDos	gotcha That's pretty sweet io	[17:34]
brycec	but this is just plain zpool which is a lot like raid0 yeah it is :)	[17:34]
benDos	Gotcha	[17:34]
brycec	now to destroy and test raidz performance	[17:34]
benDos	I get in the mid to upper 200's on my RAID10 That said it's with about 5 year old WD desktop drives And RAID10 != RAID0 :p	[17:34]
brycec	Now THIS is what I call performance! (fuck yeah caches) 3355443200 bytes transferred in 2.079781 secs (1613363672 bytes/sec) 1.6GB/s	[17:40]
benDos	that doesn't look like bonnie++?	[17:41]
brycec	It's dd quick and dirty test	[17:41]
mcchunkie	That's what c0sh said!	[17:41]
benDos	Do a quick bonnie test :p	[17:42]
brycec	fine	[17:42]
benDos	Yay benDos <3's io specifics	[17:42]
	brycec, did you catch http://youtu.be/-qv7k2_lc0M ?	[17:47]
BryceBot	YouTube Comedy: "Key & Peele: Obama Loses His SH*T" by comedycentral (2m 48s), 5,327,683 views, 36,878 likes and 2,057 dislikes. Uploaded 2012-01-11T21:11:32.000Z.	[17:47]
brycec	no I didn't bother brycec doesn't click every* url* brycec has learned not to click every url	[17:55]
dbtid	you don't??? dbtid hunts for URLs for brycec to click	[17:55]
brycec	lol	[17:55]
kusuriya	http://goatse.cx :o	[17:56]
brycec	Oooh a .cx, it must be friendly and safe for the family! @tld cx	[17:57]
BryceBot	The top-level domain 'cx' is used for: Christmas Island.	[17:57]
brycec	^	[17:57]
kusuriya	brycec: i know thats why goatse lost their domain :P and now its owned by some one offering free email ... ... launch rock needs a lesson in internet history	[17:57]
brycec	woo finalyl starting the rewriting phase	[18:00]
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piroko	benDos: You can???? I imagine that wouldn't work well Because mosh was programmed specifically with terminal emulation in mind Also, FUCK MEDIASERVER er wait That might actually be because I was playing music today lol	[18:38]
	It's pretty neat being able to just open my fucking laptop and have irc just waiting for me	[18:45]
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revberaldo	there are only two good fonts for programming or whatever	[19:05]
kyl	comic sans and?	[19:05]
revberaldo	and GohuFont	[19:05]
Lefty	wingdings	[19:05]
revberaldo	and the one xterm uses	[19:05]
kyl	lefty is correct revberaldo loses i've become a fan of anonymous pro	[19:05]
revberaldo	haha, I'm not playing on level hard	[19:06]
kyl	revberaldo: well, that was your final life, so i guess that's game over thanks for playing though!	[19:06]
Lefty	Bitstream vera!	[19:06]
revberaldo	does that mean I'll have to wait for respawn time?	[19:07]
kyl	Lefty: i tried it, but it didn't look as good	[19:07]
revberaldo	kyl, it's a good font, but I remember it being not sharp	[19:07]
kyl	revberaldo: you'll have to wait until the next game	[19:07]
revberaldo	I like when fonts look sharp	[19:07]
kyl	revberaldo: i'm looking at it on a retina display... it's sharp this display has made me much pickier	[19:07]
revberaldo	you mean a display with a decent resolution well, I don't have one, unfortunately what's the resolution by the way?	[19:08]
kyl	one sec 1920x1200 on a 15" screen	[19:09]
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kusuriya	hm i thought retina was higher	[19:11]
kyl	not on the mbp	[19:11]
revberaldo	that's pretty good	[19:11]
kyl	^	[19:11]
kusuriya	yeah	[19:11]
kyl	has already ruined all the backgrounds i had before	[19:12]
kusuriya	i cant argue with it because its awesome, and you have one	[19:12]
kyl	can't set the profound programmer backgrounds anymore don't get me wrong, i still <3 my x230's 1366xwhatever display but this is extremely crisp	[19:12]
kusuriya	yeah i wish more people gave the 1920x1200 option	[19:12]
revberaldo	ha, I guess it is	[19:13]
kusuriya	because i really have issues with how apple builds their systems now	[19:13]
revberaldo	you're running OS X? kusuriya, agreed	[19:13]
kusuriya	the soldered ram is like a giant middle finger	[19:13]
kyl	yes and i have the thinkpad as my upgradeable system / portable server	[19:14]
revberaldo	Apple hardware looks good and has decent amounts of power. I'd have one. I'd never run OS X though. my new wallpaper thanks to kyl: http://i.imgur.com/0z831.jpg it's exactly how it feels to try getting tables and figures in reasonable places in LaTeX	[19:15]
kyl	i have the posters of http://i.imgur.com/ES6sP.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/S4N65.jpg	[19:17]
revberaldo	LOL	[19:19]
kyl	kusuriya: did you see the videos i linked you earlier?	[19:19]
lteo	oh mang you gaiz are making me remember the horrible LaTeX stuff i tried hard to forget	[19:23]
revberaldo	clearpage! >{centeringarraybackslash}m{5cm}!	[19:24]
kusuriya	kyl: i didnt but i got them pulled up man whats really going to irritate me is when intel moves to BGA procs	[19:25]
kyl	lteo: bro never forget!	[19:33]
kusuriya	forgetting is the first step of repeating im kinda irritated that IWL doesnt seem to do 300 megabit wireless n :( (on loonix)	[19:35]
lteo	revberaldo: -.-	[19:50]
revberaldo	SI{196,5}{ml}! (that's actually pretty cool)	[19:51]
mwheeler	My resume is still in latex	[19:55]
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mwheeler	I thought about moving it to xml or markdown, but I like the result of my current template	[19:56]
kyl	i wrote my resume in mandoc :o	[19:56]
zenmower	heh we are going to get some mac minis	[19:56]
kyl	zenmower: i have one at work	[19:57]
zenmower	to use in a distributed search cluster project	[19:57]
lteo	i just have unpleasant memories fighting with numerous templates the night before submission deadline	[19:57]
zenmower	kyl: my boss might leave =(	[19:57]
kyl	kyl pictures lteo in a firefight, desperately pitching his last grenade towards the template in all night running gunfight	[19:57]
zenmower	he got another offer	[19:57]
kyl	nice good for him	[19:57]
zenmower	yeah i will be the head nigger in charge	[19:58]
revberaldo	I think we shouldn't use LaTeX for anything that's not going to be published why not use XML or HTML? so much better.	[19:59]
kyl	revberaldo: my resumé was published	[19:59]
revberaldo	but I love LaTeX	[19:59]
kyl	mandoc supports html and pdf output	[19:59]
revberaldo	that's a pretty good use of LaTeX, kyl	[19:59]
zenmower	there will be some architecture changes	[19:59]
kyl	revberaldo: but my resumé is not in LaTeX	[19:59]
zenmower	as well as language changes	[19:59]
kyl	zenmower: moar coldfusion	[19:59]
zenmower	as well as i better get moar monies	[20:00]
revberaldo	kyl, it should be!	[20:00]
zenmower	kyl no moar	[20:00]
revberaldo	thing about PDF output	[20:00]
kyl	revberaldo: why? it looks good now and - it's a man page they can install it on their computer and look me up whenever	[20:00]
revberaldo	you can't really control typography to the extent you can in LaTeX apropos kyl	[20:00]
kyl	but i don't need to control typography, i pretty much just print the plain text version anyways and give that to people	[20:01]
revberaldo	kyl, that's such a cool idea	[20:01]
kyl	there's very few people who won't accept a .txt file	[20:02]
revberaldo	I'll print the plain latex and give THAT to people	[20:02]
kyl	revberaldo: i didn't say the source, i said the plain text version	[20:02]
revberaldo	if YOU'RE gonna hire me, you'd better be prepared kyl, I know, I'm just stretching the idea	[20:02]
kyl	typical	[20:02]
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brycec	huh wtf? bonnie++ on my FreeBSD box is 1.96, and on my Arch box it's 1.03e. how the hell does that work?	[20:17]
	wb zdo benDos: Since you were interested http://sprunge.us/IWZQ	[20:24]
qbit	hummina!	[20:26]
brycec	(SSD - 3x 120GB SATA II drives)	[20:27]
qbit	YOURANSS! D	[20:27]
brycec	(RAIDZ1/NONRAIDZ - 4x 2TB SATA II drives hanging off a RAID controller as JBOD, PCIe x8) now what the heck is qbit prattling on abotu?	[20:28]
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brycec	damnit I have never found Tina Fey more attractive than i do now fantastic ep of 30 Rock	[20:31]
kyl	that show is still running?	[20:31]
brycec	yes yes, it is. season 7, ep 7 more surprisingly, The Office is in season 9	[20:32]
qbit	I find her fantastically attractive	[20:33]
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brycec	qbit: Tina Fey dressed up as Princess Leia, blammo.	[20:34]
kyl	s/f/m/	[20:34]
lazylopez_	qbit: Tina Fey dressed up as Princess Leia, blammo.	[20:34]
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qbit	lol	[20:34]
brycec	i know it's not the first time, but she looked better this time... but I can't tell you ;)	[20:35]
revberaldo	need to relearn irssi	[20:36]
jrick	omg I got go-gtk working on 64-bit windows jrick laughs maniacially	[20:37]
brycec	nice jrick	[20:38]
kyl	heh i do not envy you	[20:38]
jrick	but this means I can use golang for my serior design project	[20:39]
brycec	your sr design project being... reimplementing Xombrero in Go?	[20:40]
jrick	no, I wish.	[20:40]
qbit	qbit imagines jrick designing old people	[20:40]
jrick	we building a robot to paint football fields and I'm writing the gui frontend the controller program communicates wireless using XBees to the robot wirelessly	[20:40]
qbit	nicee	[20:41]
brycec	brycec imagines the robot going rogue and painting football fields EVERYWHERE	[20:41]
jrick	it's pretty sweet, using lazers for localized navigation	[20:42]
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qbit	:D that is pretty sweet	[20:45]
jrick	wow laser*	[20:46]
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qbit	majorlazor	[20:46]
jrick	it's ok guys I'm an engineer no need to spell	[20:46]
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brycec	wow, surprising performance boost with RAIDZ-2	[21:30]
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brycec	benDos: results with RAIDZ-2 too http://sprunge.us/hMgT	[21:35]
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brycec	"Congrats, you leveled up! You've unlocked the T-Rex achievement for having at least one original repo where C is the dominant language. Only 8% of developers on Coderwall have earned this." There really ought to be more C repos on GH	[21:47]
kyl	i'm doing what i can i have 26 if coderwall is to be believed	[21:48]
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revberaldo	hm this coderwall is nice marvelous what this internet can do these days	[22:02]
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kyl	hah brycec did you just endorse my goishness?	[22:48]
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brycec	yes ky *kyl	[23:19]
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kyl	wb Omegle_Bot	[23:48]
Omegle_Bot	Thanks, kyl	[23:48]
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