some nice bits hidden somewhere in the 1.2M lines of code... The systemd init is pretty OK, from what I've seen. The issue is everything else. idk I used to be really anti-systemd but tbh I only need to touch it for starting / stopping / creating services and logs and for that it seems much cleaner than sysvinit ever was I have had systemd explode a couple times last time was probably 2 years ago it got into some strange tightloop where it was using 100% CPU and not processing requests Yeah, its init seems pretty OK. what I'm really against though the "ip" command ifconfig forever Hah. I find it surprising that they needed to rename the command instead of fixing ifconfig. what was wrong with it to begin with? Good question! tbf a lot of the fancy new linux features would probably be hard to wedge in there and for those I use ip but I find ip commands to be annoyingly long for simple stuff ip link addr add blah blah ifconfig eth0 inet blah OpenBSD puts all their network config in ifconfig, including wifi. It's a long manpage but at least its coherent. yeah that's another thing ifconfig is at least vaguely cross platform In that you can learn the basics and use something like it on other platforms, yeah. yeah I mean it is certainly not standardized but I think "ifconfig eth0 inet 10.0.0.2/24 up" works on essentially every platform Right. Not always `eth0` but the same principle applies. `ifconfig -a` seems to work everywhere I've tried. yeah exactly. when I'm on an unfamiliar box, I always start with ifconfig -a to figure out the interface, then configure it although I remember Solaris giving me a pain i ilke the ip command I can never find what I want in the ip command output. It's just way too verbose. I'm so used to ifconfig. as long as you konow what you're looking for it's not so bad i often do ip -4 addr or ip -6 addr too to get which i want I never know what I'm looking for when ipv6 is broken. systemctl enable bind, is that a systemd command? yes I like those its nice to be able to use the same command across ubuntu, debian, centos and arch I wouldnt know how to write the equivalent of an init script for systemd though, to turn an app into a service oh they're not that hard to write they're in like /lib/systemd use find the find the one with bind in the name... should be like 10 lines they're quite easy to read tbh easier than shell scripts yeah that's probably the best thing about systemd the service files it's literally an ini file so much better than sysvinit up_the_irons: How are you liking your X1 Carbon? Manage to get the sound working? mercutio: we were chatting about arch-based linux distros the other day - i mentioned antergos and apparently they shut down today, lol heh guess they had money issues or something or developer issues yea, who knows that other i mentioned is still arouned around starts with m there was something about monetizing the distro not working confusing name hah too many of them manjaro