***: ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks mike-burns: The systemd init is pretty OK, from what I've seen. The issue is everything else. ***: ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) acf_: idk I used to be really anti-systemd
but tbh I only need to touch it for starting / stopping / creating services
and logs
and for that it seems much cleaner than sysvinit ever was
I have had systemd explode a couple times
last time was probably 2 years ago
it got into some strange tightloop where it was using 100% CPU and not processing requests mike-burns: Yeah, its init seems pretty OK. acf_: what I'm really against though
the "ip" command
ifconfig forever mike-burns: Hah.
I find it surprising that they needed to rename the command instead of fixing ifconfig. acf_: what was wrong with it to begin with? mike-burns: Good question! acf_: tbf a lot of the fancy new linux features would probably be hard to wedge in there
and for those I use ip
but I find ip commands to be annoyingly long for simple stuff
ip link addr add blah blah
ifconfig eth0 inet blah mike-burns: OpenBSD puts all their network config in ifconfig, including wifi. It's a long manpage but at least its coherent. acf_: yeah that's another thing
ifconfig is at least vaguely cross platform mike-burns: In that you can learn the basics and use something like it on other platforms, yeah. acf_: yeah I mean it is certainly not standardized
but I think "ifconfig eth0 inet 10.0.0.2/24 up" works on essentially every platform mike-burns: Right. Not always `eth0` but the same principle applies.
`ifconfig -a` seems to work everywhere I've tried. acf_: yeah exactly. when I'm on an unfamiliar box, I always start with ifconfig -a to figure out the interface, then configure it
although I remember Solaris giving me a pain mercutio: i ilke the ip command mhoran: I can never find what I want in the ip command output.
It's just way too verbose.
I'm so used to ifconfig. mercutio: as long as you konow what you're looking for it's not so bad
i often do ip -4 addr or ip -6 addr too
to get which i want mhoran: I never know what I'm looking for when ipv6 is broken. mnathani: systemctl enable bind, is that a systemd command? mercutio: yes mnathani: I like those
its nice to be able to use the same command across ubuntu, debian, centos and arch
I wouldnt know how to write the equivalent of an init script for systemd though, to turn an app into a service mkb: oh they're not that hard to write
they're in like /lib/systemd
use find the find the one with bind in the name... should be like 10 lines mercutio: they're quite easy to read tbh
easier than shell scripts acf_: yeah that's probably the best thing about systemd
the service files
it's literally an ini file
so much better than sysvinit ***: ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks
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ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks mnathani: up_the_irons: How are you liking your X1 Carbon? Manage to get the sound working? m0unds: mercutio: we were chatting about arch-based linux distros the other day - i mentioned antergos and apparently they shut down today, lol mercutio: heh m0unds: guess they had money issues or something mercutio: or developer issues m0unds: yea, who knows mercutio: that other i mentioned is still arouned
around
starts with m m0unds: there was something about monetizing the distro not working mercutio: confusing name hah m0unds: too many of them
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