some nice bits hidden somewhere in the 1.2M lines of code...
The systemd init is pretty OK, from what I've seen. The issue is everything else.
idk I used to be really anti-systemd
but tbh I only need to touch it for starting / stopping / creating services
and logs
and for that it seems much cleaner than sysvinit ever was
I have had systemd explode a couple times
last time was probably 2 years ago
it got into some strange tightloop where it was using 100% CPU and not processing requests
Yeah, its init seems pretty OK.
what I'm really against though
the "ip" command
ifconfig forever
Hah.
I find it surprising that they needed to rename the command instead of fixing ifconfig.
what was wrong with it to begin with?
Good question!
tbf a lot of the fancy new linux features would probably be hard to wedge in there
and for those I use ip
but I find ip commands to be annoyingly long for simple stuff
ip link addr add blah blah
ifconfig eth0 inet blah
OpenBSD puts all their network config in ifconfig, including wifi. It's a long manpage but at least its coherent.
yeah that's another thing
ifconfig is at least vaguely cross platform
In that you can learn the basics and use something like it on other platforms, yeah.
yeah I mean it is certainly not standardized
but I think "ifconfig eth0 inet 10.0.0.2/24 up" works on essentially every platform
Right. Not always `eth0` but the same principle applies.
`ifconfig -a` seems to work everywhere I've tried.
yeah exactly. when I'm on an unfamiliar box, I always start with ifconfig -a to figure out the interface, then configure it
although I remember Solaris giving me a pain
i ilke the ip command
I can never find what I want in the ip command output.
It's just way too verbose.
I'm so used to ifconfig.
as long as you konow what you're looking for it's not so bad
i often do ip -4 addr or ip -6 addr too
to get which i want
I never know what I'm looking for when ipv6 is broken.
systemctl enable bind, is that a systemd command?
yes
I like those
its nice to be able to use the same command across ubuntu, debian, centos and arch
I wouldnt know how to write the equivalent of an init script for systemd though, to turn an app into a service
oh they're not that hard to write
they're in like /lib/systemd
use find the find the one with bind in the name... should be like 10 lines
they're quite easy to read tbh
easier than shell scripts
yeah that's probably the best thing about systemd
the service files
it's literally an ini file
so much better than sysvinit
up_the_irons: How are you liking your X1 Carbon? Manage to get the sound working?
mercutio: we were chatting about arch-based linux distros the other day - i mentioned antergos and apparently they shut down today, lol
heh
guess they had money issues or something
or developer issues
yea, who knows
that other i mentioned is still arouned
around
starts with m
there was something about monetizing the distro not working
confusing name hah
too many of them
manjaro