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| dne | some nice bits hidden somewhere in the 1.2M lines of code... | [00:03] |
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| mike-burns | The systemd init is pretty OK, from what I've seen. The issue is everything else. | [06:23] |
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| acf_ | idk I used to be really anti-systemd
but tbh I only need to touch it for starting / stopping / creating services and logs and for that it seems much cleaner than sysvinit ever was I have had systemd explode a couple times last time was probably 2 years ago it got into some strange tightloop where it was using 100% CPU and not processing requests | [13:06] |
| mike-burns | Yeah, its init seems pretty OK. | [13:08] |
| acf_ | what I'm really against though
the "ip" command ifconfig forever | [13:09] |
| mike-burns | Hah.
I find it surprising that they needed to rename the command instead of fixing ifconfig. | [13:09] |
| acf_ | what was wrong with it to begin with? | [13:10] |
| mike-burns | Good question! | [13:10] |
| acf_ | tbf a lot of the fancy new linux features would probably be hard to wedge in there
and for those I use ip but I find ip commands to be annoyingly long for simple stuff ip link addr add blah blah ifconfig eth0 inet blah | [13:10] |
| mike-burns | OpenBSD puts all their network config in ifconfig, including wifi. It's a long manpage but at least its coherent. | [13:11] |
| acf_ | yeah that's another thing
ifconfig is at least vaguely cross platform | [13:11] |
| mike-burns | In that you can learn the basics and use something like it on other platforms, yeah. | [13:12] |
| acf_ | yeah I mean it is certainly not standardized
but I think "ifconfig eth0 inet 10.0.0.2/24 up" works on essentially every platform | [13:14] |
| mike-burns | Right. Not always `eth0` but the same principle applies.
`ifconfig -a` seems to work everywhere I've tried. | [13:15] |
| acf_ | yeah exactly. when I'm on an unfamiliar box, I always start with ifconfig -a to figure out the interface, then configure it
although I remember Solaris giving me a pain | [13:16] |
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| mercutio | i ilke the ip command | [14:07] |
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| mhoran | I can never find what I want in the ip command output.
It's just way too verbose. I'm so used to ifconfig. | [14:27] |
| mercutio | as long as you konow what you're looking for it's not so bad
i often do ip -4 addr or ip -6 addr too to get which i want | [14:39] |
| mhoran | I never know what I'm looking for when ipv6 is broken. | [14:43] |
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| mnathani | systemctl enable bind, is that a systemd command? | [15:46] |
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| mercutio | yes | [16:17] |
| mnathani | I like those
its nice to be able to use the same command across ubuntu, debian, centos and arch I wouldnt know how to write the equivalent of an init script for systemd though, to turn an app into a service | [16:22] |
| mkb | oh they're not that hard to write
they're in like /lib/systemd use find the find the one with bind in the name... should be like 10 lines | [16:25] |
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| mercutio | they're quite easy to read tbh
easier than shell scripts | [16:59] |
| acf_ | yeah that's probably the best thing about systemd
the service files it's literally an ini file so much better than sysvinit | [17:11] |
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| mnathani | up_the_irons: How are you liking your X1 Carbon? Manage to get the sound working? | [22:05] |
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| m0unds | mercutio: we were chatting about arch-based linux distros the other day - i mentioned antergos and apparently they shut down today, lol | [22:40] |
| mercutio | heh | [22:41] |
| m0unds | guess they had money issues or something | [22:41] |
| mercutio | or developer issues | [22:41] |
| m0unds | yea, who knows | [22:41] |
| mercutio | that other i mentioned is still arouned
around starts with m | [22:41] |
| m0unds | there was something about monetizing the distro not working | [22:42] |
| mercutio | confusing name hah | [22:42] |
| m0unds | too many of them
manjaro | [22:42] |
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